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LOLtex
United States148 Posts
On November 04 2010 05:22 domovoi wrote: Also, your health care is cheaper because you control supply and prices This is a huge point that albeit is often overlooked in healthcare debates. | ||
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Wysp
Canada2299 Posts
On November 04 2010 05:22 domovoi wrote: Canada's racial demographics and eating habits are not similar to the US's at all. Also, your health care is cheaper because you control supply and prices, which is pretty much a political non-starter in the US. The AMA would never go for it. they totally are, you guys do eat a bit worst but this big Canadian - American culture divide is a myth. You have a few more black people but overall we are the same. We minimize what glaxokleinsmith and pfizer can gouge for their drugs, its true, but they don't leave our markets. They make a fortune in Canada. The biggest thing is all the bloat you guys feel from profit. The insurance companies you run are inefficient and siphon off as much cash to their shareholders/owners as possible. Do you really need to make the mega wealthy more wealthy in everything you do? I guess you believe so, and in my experience people with minds as owned as yours have no hope. But I'll probably respond a few more times anyway... edit: I will add our doctors make less too, but they still make a killing. I guess not having kickbacks for prescribing as many meds as possible is a bad thing... | ||
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angelicfolly
United States292 Posts
On November 04 2010 05:22 Wysp wrote: Yes Canadians need to spend more money on healthcare. Do we need to spend 3000 more per capita meet our new challenges? Nope, well less and we'll still treat everyone. Thanks for firing some political rhetoric at me, though. And about 2 - 5 weeks. If you break your leg you get it fixed ASAP. No unnecessary waiting. There are walk in clinics everywhere if you want to have an issue seen today and even if you phone your family doctor and say its pretty urgent for personal reasons they will let you in that day or the next... having lived in 5 different provinces I can say this is not isolated. Yeah we have that here too. This is interesting http://politics.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2009/07/28/statistics-show-canada-healthcare-is-inferior-to-american-system | ||
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Wysp
Canada2299 Posts
http://jec.senate.gov/republicans/public/_files/CanadianWaitTimes2008.pdf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fraser_Institute The the difference is that even though you have it, your government is paying more per capita for it and you pay thousands (often tens of thousands) for it also. derp | ||
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domovoi
United States1478 Posts
On November 04 2010 05:27 Wysp wrote: they totally are, you guys do eat a bit worst but this big Canadian - American culture divide is a myth. Hey, I'd be the first person to argue Canada is basically America, Jr., but we definitely eat a lot worse. According to FAO, we consume about 10% more calories and fat grams. You have a few more black people but overall we are the same. We also have quite a few more Latino people and the socioeconomic distribution is quite a bit different (we have far more people on the lower end). We minimize what glaxokleinsmith and pfizer can gouge for their drugs, its true, but they don't leave our markets. They make a fortune in Canada. Marginal cost of drugs is negligible. I guess you believe so, and in my experience people with minds as owned as yours have no hope. But I'll probably respond a few more times anyway... Ironic, it looks like your mind is already made up. Maybe next time you should do a better job at gauging my opinions before judging me? Like, I don't know, reading some of the posts I've made in this very thread? Check the previous pages. Or you can go on trolling with your silly "derp" meme. It's up to you if you want people to take you seriously or not. | ||
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angelicfolly
United States292 Posts
On November 04 2010 05:30 Wysp wrote: These news sources you guys like... http://jec.senate.gov/republicans/public/_files/CanadianWaitTimes2008.pdf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fraser_Institute The the difference is that even though you have it, your government is paying more per capita for it and you pay thousands (often tens of thousands) for it also. derp Yeah skip the actual details and go attack something. Oh don't forget that you didn't even deal with the one about "imploding" or did not you not read it? Are you going to dismiss this one to because it references the Fraser institute? http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/10/15/waittimes-fraser.html lol , someone pays for something... I wonder what the population comparison is between Canada and US? | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On November 04 2010 05:02 Wysp wrote: FUN FACT: Americans pay twice as much per person for healthcare than Canadians. And every single person gets it, for free? And we pay less for medication? Damn, its almost like we're not siphoning off billions into our overclass' pockets... edit; preemptive derp block http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_health_care_systems_in_Canada_and_the_United_States edit 2: you guys eat bad but so do Canadians. Why are Americans so much lower? They don't get treated. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy You get what you pay for. Free government healthcare is a joke. You get seen at overloaded clinics with doctors that don't provide the same type of care if you had insurance you paid for since government healthcare reduces the payment made to doctors for the visit. It doesn't get cheaper because the doctors can just reject those patients leaving things just how they are right now. Reform my ass. | ||
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Wysp
Canada2299 Posts
- if there is an opinion there is a semi-credible news source funded by some political party or another who supports it. The only statisics and news I have been talking about are -Life expectancy, as provided by the CIA -Government spending on healthcare, as provided by the Canadian and American government bureaucracies. Don't have time to deal with every brilliantly constructed think tank news machine. (derp) | ||
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Wysp
Canada2299 Posts
big ol' DERP | ||
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domovoi
United States1478 Posts
On November 04 2010 05:46 Wysp wrote: Its funny though, since you pay so much more through your government and your own pocket. - if there is an opinion there is a semi-credible news source funded by some political party or another who supports it. The only statisics and news I have been talking about are -Life expectancy, as provided by the CIA -Government spending on healthcare, as provided by the Canadian and American government bureaucracies. Don't have time to deal with every brilliantly constructed think tank news machine. (derp) Singapore doesn't have a nationalized healthcare system like Canada, but they have better health outcomes than Canada, and lower per capita spending. Same with the Netherlands. Derp. | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On November 04 2010 05:48 Wysp wrote: And yes my mind is absolutely made up. I see more power in my hands in Canada, and more money in my pocket as related to healthcare. How the fuck do you expect to convince me I should pay more for healthcare only at the cost of more people suffering illness? big ol' DERP Cause the US isn't communist and not everyone is as altruistic as yourself. | ||
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domovoi
United States1478 Posts
On November 04 2010 05:48 Wysp wrote: And yes my mind is absolutely made up. I see more power in my hands in Canada, and more money in my pocket as related to healthcare. How the fuck do you expect to convince me I should pay more for healthcare only at the cost of more people suffering illness? big ol' DERP I pay much less in taxes than you do and my healthcare premiums are very low thanks to government tax breaks. And no waiting periods for me either. my epeen > your epeen | ||
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Wysp
Canada2299 Posts
Healthcare in the Netherlands is financed by a dual system that came into effect January 2006. Long-term treatments, especially those that involve semi-permanent hospitalization, and also disability costs such as wheelchairs, are covered by a state-controlled mandatory insurance. (hopefully this dutch website will cock slap you with the truth in a second...) Singapore has a universal healthcare system where government ensures affordability edit; oh i forgot HEEEEERRR HEREEEERRRRR DEEEEERP | ||
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angelicfolly
United States292 Posts
On November 04 2010 05:46 Wysp wrote: Its funny though, since you pay so much more through your government and your own pocket. - if there is an opinion there is a semi-credible news source funded by some political party or another who supports it. The only statisics and news I have been talking about are -Life expectancy, as provided by the CIA -Government spending on healthcare, as provided by the Canadian and American government bureaucracies. Don't have time to deal with every brilliantly constructed think tank news machine. (derp) Wait you don't have time? I think you mean something else... Yeah classic you don't want to acknowledge that they may have points so you try to discredit them. Oh read this SASKATOON–The incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association says Canada's health-care system is sick and doctors need to develop a plan to cure it. http://www.healthzone.ca/health/newsfeatures/article/681882 | ||
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domovoi
United States1478 Posts
On November 04 2010 05:53 Wysp wrote: Wait wait wait? What's altruistic about paying less? (hopefully this dutch website will cock slap you with the truth in a second...) edit; oh i forgot HEEEEERRR HEREEEERRRRR DEEEEERP I think too much French language education has hurt your ability to read English. Those are not nationalized health care systems, they are government subsidized private systems. Like, oh, what the US has. | ||
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Wysp
Canada2299 Posts
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Wysp
Canada2299 Posts
On November 04 2010 05:55 domovoi wrote: I think too much French language education has hurt your ability to read English. Those are not nationalized health care systems, they are government subsidized private systems. Like, oh, what the US has. except the american system is fucked and governments control the cost... exactly what you are against edit" fucked as in profits are drawn from it on mass and uncontrolled up until Obama ohh ohhh deeeerp | ||
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domovoi
United States1478 Posts
On November 04 2010 05:55 Wysp wrote: I totally agree, our government needs to budget more money to healthcare. The costs needed will still leave us thousands per capita behind your underclass ass I have a lot of Canadian friends and family members. They are pretty poor compared to me. The median Canadian income adjusted for PPP and government benefits would be considered poor by American standards. | ||
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Wysp
Canada2299 Posts
Read into the Clinton era attempt at healthcare reform. Millions and millions spent on lobbying to crush it and the American senators and lobbyists who were the man agents were given awesome paying jobs in insurance companies after it was quashed. have fun I got shit to do derp | ||
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Wysp
Canada2299 Posts
On November 04 2010 05:58 domovoi wrote: I have a lot of Canadian friends and family members. They are pretty poor compared to me. The median Canadian income adjusted for PPP and government benefits would be considered poor by American standards. I lied i will say on more thing hdi that is all also your economic reasoning is not actually reflecting reality. i see you know what a big mac index is but canadians are rich as fuck | ||
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