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On October 02 2010 21:41 XsebT wrote:
In a week or two the world has forgotten all about this and this thread will seize to get bumped.
In a year from now, someone will stumble upon this thread and be shocked because he never heard of it in the first place, then bump it. Afterwards it'll get closed because by then this will be irrelevant since so much worse has happened since this.
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SEATTLE -- Those who have seen the photos say they are grisly: soldiers beside newly killed bodies, decaying corpses and severed fingers.
The photos, described in interviews and in e-mails and military documents obtained by The Associated Press, were seized by Army investigators and are a crucial part of the case against five soldiers accused of killing three Afghan civilians earlier this year.
Troops allegedly shared the photos by e-mail and thumb drive like electronic trading cards. Now 60 to 70 of them are being kept tightly shielded from the public and even defense attorneys because of fears they could wind up in the news media and provoke anti-American violence.
At least some of the Afghanistan photos pertain to those killings that are the subject of the trial. Others may have been of insurgents killed in battle, and some may have been taken as part of a military effort to document those killed, said lawyers involved in the case.
Among the most gruesome allegations is that some of the soldiers kept fingers from Afghans they killed as war trophies. The troops also are accused of passing around photos of the dead and of the fingers.
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I've been deployed in Iraq for 4 months. You guys would be surprised at all the fucked up shit that goes on there.
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Terrible.... horrible post imo 
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On October 03 2010 10:33 Zamiel wrote:
I've been deployed in Iraq for 4 months. You guys would be surprised at all the fucked up shit that goes on there.
Please enlighten us. If not, why even post?
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On October 03 2010 10:33 Zamiel wrote:
I've been deployed in Iraq for 4 months. You guys would be surprised at all the fucked up shit that goes on there.
Can you at least tell us something, or explain what you meant? By U.S. Soldiers or Iraqis??
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On October 03 2010 10:52 Diuqil wrote:Can you at least tell us something, or explain what you meant? By U.S. Soldiers or Iraqis??
By US soldiers.
First off, I'll preface my post with some history. Since the "war" in Iraq/Afghanistan has been kind of a disaster, the Army has been having problems getting people to keep enlisting. Thus, ever since 2006, you do no longer need a GED in order to enlist, and from what I understand the Marine Core is the same way.
What I'm trying to get at is, the average US army cat is really dimwitted. I hate to make gross generalizations about the thousands and thousands of people that make up the Army/Marine Core, but it is definitely true. Do not be fooled by the dramatization in shows like "Generation Kill", with soldiers making clever metaphorical jokes mixed in with crude humor; the average soldier is much stupider.
Anyways, I'll just give one example. One time I was hanging out on base having a smoke by a truck with a friend and we noticed that there was a guy standing on top of a water tower in the distance. Low and behold, shots began whizzing into the ground near us, and we jump behind the truck for cover; the guy was a sniper. After taking a few shots, he begins to run away. A team immediately rolls out after him (this kind of thing happens all the time) and I happened to be with them. Long story short, we catch up to the guy and begin firing at him. He gets wounded and goes down, but is still alive.
At this point, we are going to kill the guy, but one of the soldiers enigmatically whips out some pork jerky. He walks up to the wounded sniper with it, and says in crude Farci, "Do you know what this is?" I don't know what the sniper said, but the soldier explained that it was pork (a.k.a. pig a.k.a. harem meat) and rubs it all over the guy's face and sticks it in his mouth. Then, after a moment, he shoots the guy in the head. (Eating pig is of course not halal; a lot of the fundamentalist Muslims over there don't even believe in touching it, which is why he rubbed it on his face first.)
In case you still don't understand my little story, what is going through the sniper's head before he died was this: he was performing his religious jihad duty. Yes, firing upon a US base is dangerous but if he died in the process he is going to go to heaven. But now, he's definitely going to hell.
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I've also heard because of manpower shortages the US army is also now enlisting soldiers with criminal records.
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On October 03 2010 12:21 Zamiel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2010 10:52 Diuqil wrote:Can you at least tell us something, or explain what you meant? By U.S. Soldiers or Iraqis?? First off, I'll preface my post with some history. Since the "war" in Iraq/Afghanistan has been kind of a disaster, the Army has been having problems getting people to keep enlisting. Thus, ever since 2006, you do no longer need a GED in order to enlist, and from what I understand the Marine Core is the same way.
huh? you need either a GED, high school diploma, or 15 college credits to join the army.
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On September 28 2010 09:46 Diuqil wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2010 09:43 Whiladan wrote:On September 28 2010 09:42 Diuqil wrote:On September 28 2010 09:30 Whiladan wrote:On September 28 2010 09:28 Diuqil wrote:
Wow. My respect for U.S Soldiers gets lower and lower every day. Because all U.S. soldiers must be just like these ones. Generalizing is fun. When you hear of so many story's like these, you think I'm going to like them? By all means, disrespect the ones responsible. But you generalizing that all U.S. troops are scumbags is the same brand of discrimination that these war-criminals use to generalize that all Arabs are terrorists. I'm not disrespecting nobody. I'm not calling the soldiers "baby killers." Okay, let me rephrase my comment then. "My respect for MOST U.S. soldiers gets lower and lower every day"
Most U.S Soldiers? Are you saying MOST U.S Soldiers do shit like this? There's always going to be scumbags in the military, but MOST U.S Soldiers are just people fighting for their country who don't do shit like this. You can't disrespect anyone not responsible for this kind of shit if you're sitting on your ass posting on Teamliquid, while ALL U.S Soldiers are actually doing something that risks their life day-today.
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on a major war like this, to hear events like this as remarkable and incredibly disgusting suggests that US army has otherwise kept its act straight. Now compare this to any past major wars and the respective atrocities committed by the armies invovled. Suddenly, the US army seems angelic.
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On October 01 2010 13:36 RiB wrote:
Stability in Iraq does not equal democracy in Iraq.
So stability in Iraq would be instituting a U.S. planted puppet dictator.
Because, like, thats worked out so fucking well in the past right?
What I'm trying to get at is, the average US army cat is really dimwitted. I hate to make gross generalizations about the thousands and thousands of people that make up the Army/Marine Core, but it is definitely true. Do not be fooled by the dramatization in shows like "Generation Kill", with soldiers making clever metaphorical jokes mixed in with crude humor; the average soldier is much stupider.
Anyways, I'll just give one example. One time I was hanging out on base having a smoke by a truck with a friend and we noticed that there was a guy standing on top of a water tower in the distance. Low and behold, shots began whizzing into the ground near us, and we jump behind the truck for cover; the guy was a sniper. After taking a few shots, he begins to run away. A team immediately rolls out after him (this kind of thing happens all the time) and I happened to be with them. Long story short, we catch up to the guy and begin firing at him. He gets wounded and goes down, but is still alive.
At this point, we are going to kill the guy, but one of the soldiers enigmatically whips out some pork jerky. He walks up to the wounded sniper with it, and says in crude Farci, "Do you know what this is?" I don't know what the sniper said, but the soldier explained that it was pork (a.k.a. pig a.k.a. harem meat) and rubs it all over the guy's face and sticks it in his mouth. Then, after a moment, he shoots the guy in the head. (Eating pig is of course not halal; a lot of the fundamentalist Muslims over there don't even believe in touching it, which is why he rubbed it on his face first.)
In case you still don't understand my little story, what is going through the sniper's head before he died was this: he was performing his religious jihad duty. Yes, firing upon a US base is dangerous but if he died in the process he is going to go to heaven. But now, he's definitely going to hell.
o.o
eye opening story, thanks for sharing, this but um, how exactly does that demonstrate stupidity? I cruelty, yes, but stupidity? Well, it shows hes intelligent enough to make his humilation as brutal as possible without resorting to crude ("Physical") measures. It also demonstrates that hes able to speak Farci lol.
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On October 03 2010 12:50 tomatriedes wrote:
I've also heard because of manpower shortages the US army is also now enlisting soldiers with criminal records.
You need a waver among various other background checks. They certainly frown upon people with criminal records, but if it's something very minor and you don't lie about it you should be ok. Also the poster who said he is in the Army was incorrect about the Marine Corps allowing those without a GED or High School diploma to enlist. The army is the only branch that allows those without a High School education or a GED to enlist, and even then you must complete some preparatory course.
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On September 28 2010 09:23 seRapH wrote:
wtf. if this shit is real then this is like rape of nanking all over again. bullshit.
One time two banshees killed two of my missile turrets. It was like 9/11 all over again. Fuck that shit.
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On October 03 2010 13:12 Half wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2010 13:36 RiB wrote:
Stability in Iraq does not equal democracy in Iraq. So stability in Iraq would be instituting a U.S. planted puppet dictator. Because, like, thats worked out so fucking well in the past right? Show nested quote +
What I'm trying to get at is, the average US army cat is really dimwitted. I hate to make gross generalizations about the thousands and thousands of people that make up the Army/Marine Core, but it is definitely true. Do not be fooled by the dramatization in shows like "Generation Kill", with soldiers making clever metaphorical jokes mixed in with crude humor; the average soldier is much stupider.
Anyways, I'll just give one example. One time I was hanging out on base having a smoke by a truck with a friend and we noticed that there was a guy standing on top of a water tower in the distance. Low and behold, shots began whizzing into the ground near us, and we jump behind the truck for cover; the guy was a sniper. After taking a few shots, he begins to run away. A team immediately rolls out after him (this kind of thing happens all the time) and I happened to be with them. Long story short, we catch up to the guy and begin firing at him. He gets wounded and goes down, but is still alive.
At this point, we are going to kill the guy, but one of the soldiers enigmatically whips out some pork jerky. He walks up to the wounded sniper with it, and says in crude Farci, "Do you know what this is?" I don't know what the sniper said, but the soldier explained that it was pork (a.k.a. pig a.k.a. harem meat) and rubs it all over the guy's face and sticks it in his mouth. Then, after a moment, he shoots the guy in the head. (Eating pig is of course not halal; a lot of the fundamentalist Muslims over there don't even believe in touching it, which is why he rubbed it on his face first.)
In case you still don't understand my little story, what is going through the sniper's head before he died was this: he was performing his religious jihad duty. Yes, firing upon a US base is dangerous but if he died in the process he is going to go to heaven. But now, he's definitely going to hell.
o.o eye opening story, thanks for sharing, this but um, how exactly does that demonstrate stupidity? I cruelty, yes, but stupidity? Well, it shows hes intelligent enough to make his humilation as brutal as possible without resorting to crude ("Physical") measures. It also demonstrates that hes able to speak Farci lol.
because its stupid. why lower the standards for the army, and promote further hatred of US forces by the native population you are trying to win over and even psychologically damage yourself, your comrades and lower morale.
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For the record, it's Farsi, and if he's in Iraq, I'd be very very surprised if the insurgent spoke Farsi (a Persian, read Iranian) language. Standard Arabic would have been the way to go.
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On October 03 2010 12:21 Zamiel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2010 10:52 Diuqil wrote:Can you at least tell us something, or explain what you meant? By U.S. Soldiers or Iraqis?? By US soldiers. First off, I'll preface my post with some history. Since the "war" in Iraq/Afghanistan has been kind of a disaster, the Army has been having problems getting people to keep enlisting. Thus, ever since 2006, you do no longer need a GED in order to enlist, and from what I understand the Marine Core is the same way. What I'm trying to get at is, the average US army cat is really dimwitted. I hate to make gross generalizations about the thousands and thousands of people that make up the Army/Marine Core, but it is definitely true. Do not be fooled by the dramatization in shows like "Generation Kill", with soldiers making clever metaphorical jokes mixed in with crude humor; the average soldier is much stupider. Anyways, I'll just give one example. One time I was hanging out on base having a smoke by a truck with a friend and we noticed that there was a guy standing on top of a water tower in the distance. Low and behold, shots began whizzing into the ground near us, and we jump behind the truck for cover; the guy was a sniper. After taking a few shots, he begins to run away. A team immediately rolls out after him (this kind of thing happens all the time) and I happened to be with them. Long story short, we catch up to the guy and begin firing at him. He gets wounded and goes down, but is still alive. At this point, we are going to kill the guy, but one of the soldiers enigmatically whips out some pork jerky. He walks up to the wounded sniper with it, and says in crude Farci, "Do you know what this is?" I don't know what the sniper said, but the soldier explained that it was pork (a.k.a. pig a.k.a. harem meat) and rubs it all over the guy's face and sticks it in his mouth. Then, after a moment, he shoots the guy in the head. (Eating pig is of course not halal; a lot of the fundamentalist Muslims over there don't even believe in touching it, which is why he rubbed it on his face first.) In case you still don't understand my little story, what is going through the sniper's head before he died was this: he was performing his religious jihad duty. Yes, firing upon a US base is dangerous but if he died in the process he is going to go to heaven. But now, he's definitely going to hell.
this post was initially about US soldiers being "dumb", but it ended by talking about an enemy sniper going to hell. the story had nothing to do with intelligence. maybe insensitive actions by the US soldier, but neither side was being "stupid".
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No matter how you feel about the actions of some soldiers, you are only allowed to makes posts like this, talk openly like this, and criticize government and our soldiers becuase these exact same soldiers have for 200+ years died to give you that freedom and right.
I'm not saying its ok, but keep in mind that the reason you have your freedom is because for hundreds of years, American men and women have fought and died and done/seen unspeakable things so that people back home can mock them, hate them, and despise them. They are risking their lives out there so you can sleep easy at night. Dont go saying that this war is not protecting us. The reason foreign troops have not directly attacked US soil for so long is because they know what our men and women in uniform are willing to do. They see it every single day.
I'm proudly deploying in 2 weeks, not every guy I work with is a rocket scientist, but ever single one of them will gladly die to keep our country strong and free.
God Bless America
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Tragic story, I am surprised that this could take place. When in war some people can't handle the pressure and start doing inhumane things because inhumane things is happening around them, that is why you need to have a good chain of command where the officers are not sicko whackjobs ordering the killing of civilians for fun, but mentally strong people with their morals straight. People like this need to be found and suspended before they run amok.
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On October 04 2010 15:06 CryHavok wrote:
No matter how you feel about the actions of some soldiers, you are only allowed to makes posts like this, talk openly like this, and criticize government and our soldiers becuase these exact same soldiers have for 200+ years died to give you that freedom and right.
I'm not saying its ok, but keep in mind that the reason you have your freedom is because for hundreds of years, American men and women have fought and died and done/seen unspeakable things so that people back home can mock them, hate them, and despise them. They are risking their lives out there so you can sleep easy at night. Dont go saying that this war is not protecting us. The reason foreign troops have not directly attacked US soil for so long is because they know what our men and women in uniform are willing to do. They see it every single day.
I'm proudly deploying in 2 weeks, not every guy I work with is a rocket scientist, but ever single one of them will gladly die to keep our country strong and free.
God Bless America
i just want to point out that the soldiers of today are not the same people as the soldiers 200 years ago. just because someone did something in the past does not mean that someone working for the same organization today works for the same goal or achieves the same things. there is no connection at all. we live now, not 200 years in the future or 200 years in the past. now. so we observe and analyze what happens around us now.
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