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2010 global peace index - Page 6
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
On September 09 2010 16:33 dinmsab wrote: "The Index is composed of 23 indicators, ranging from a nation’s level of military expenditure to its relations with neighbouring countries and the level of respect for human rights." So why are people surprised USA is at #85? I'm actually surprised they aren't much higher lol I'm assuming it's in comparison to GDP or population or something along those lines. This seems to be mainly about domestic peace. In terms of disturbing peace abroad I think it's fair to say that my country would be a lot lower. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
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Alizee-
United States845 Posts
Perceived criminality? You have various international influences coming to a world superpower to make a buck, naturally America is going to be higher. So again I'd say it's skewed. The criminal report is going to say IN America, the [country here] national did so and so. Who would lose points on the report? America. UN funding? I'll quit speaking from an American centric position and say that I don't support global governing bodies for funding, I feel like its something to keep out of. You can't conclusively say that you gain more "peace" with the UN than without, its arbitrary unless, of course, you're part of a globalism spin machine. Military capability/sophistication? That can lead to improvements in day to day life for the masses? Oh, let's just ignore the benefits. Technology improvements..but from..military..ooh bad bad bad! Let's take points away. A naive view at a wishy washy world where improvements could never come from a military. This list is pretty garbage. Frankly, all it is doing is supporting countries who don't do anything publically in regards to conflicts with other nations, but if it meant funding both sides? That's completely left out. Humanitarian issues aren't really even accounted for. Just a joke overall, but threads like these will certainly bring out the fantasy land hippies. | ||
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muccer
125 Posts
Some bizarre future envisioned where if more women are in your government you're more peaceful. That's absurd, this isn't a science fiction book. Look at the whole issue of mining in Afghanistan. Japan and China profit, the US is the security force, looking at things so plainly is foolish. Yes, it is an arbitrary value when you say more women in government equates to more peace, that isn't fact, its completely subjective. Unless you're part of some feminist spin machine. Effeminization isn't a factour in regards to peace. Alizee, YOU ARE TOTALLY MISSING THE POINT! have a look at the methodology. % of women in parliament does not make up the index. it is one of the many other indicators they are correlating against to see if more women in parliament are common to more peaceful countries and IF YOU READ the report, they state is does NOT correlate. Basically the finding say that higher rates of education, higher GDP per capita, low-corruption correlate well with their index but NOT women in parliament. In terms of external peace I do agree, they seem to only look at how violent countries are externally but how about measuring what countries do for peace externally. I guess the issue is what data to use? Who tracks POSITIVE efforts by countries in other countries? | ||
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Nesto
Switzerland1318 Posts
But since we export a shitload of weapons .. so ... There is just one point in this that I would question. We score 3 out of 5 points in willingness to fight wars? are you serious? You won't find a single politician on the left or right who would question our neutrality and even consider participating in any armed conflict. The same can be said of the people lifing in Switzerland. But apart from that, I'm fine with this study. | ||
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enzym
Germany1034 Posts
On September 10 2010 10:38 Alizee- wrote: Look at the whole issue of mining in Afghanistan. Japan and China profit, the US is the security force... On September 10 2010 10:38 Alizee- wrote: "ok".UN funding? I'll quit speaking from an American centric position and say that I don't support global governing bodies for funding, I feel like its something to keep out of. | ||
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Flyingdutchman
Netherlands858 Posts
On September 10 2010 11:11 muccer wrote: Basically the finding say that higher rates of education, higher GDP per capita, low-corruption correlate well with their index but NOT women in parliament. That's because GDP is directly related to half of the measures they are using to compose their GPI index, and to low corruption, and higher rates of education. So they basically found that GDP is correlated with GDP, GDP, and GDP. | ||
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muccer
125 Posts
That's because GDP is directly related to half of the measures they are using to compose their GPI index, and to low corruption, and higher rates of education. So they basically found that GDP is correlated with GDP, GDP, and GDP.[/QUOTE] mmm, not so sure, I see what you're saying but should then not the amount of money spent on education also correlate? and in terms of 1/2 indicators being directly related to GDP I can only see the 2 related to military, milex - which is based on GDP, and military sophistication. how is the # of pax in jail and the political instability, level of crime, relations with neighbours etc related to GDP? | ||
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HeadhunteR
Argentina1258 Posts
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Flyingdutchman
Netherlands858 Posts
On September 10 2010 14:03 muccer wrote: mmm, not so sure, I see what you're saying but should then not the amount of money spent on education also correlate? and in terms of 1/2 indicators being directly related to GDP I can only see the 2 related to military, milex - which is based on GDP, and military sophistication. how is the # of pax in jail and the political instability, level of crime, relations with neighbours etc related to GDP? Well, I did say half, not all. But you would be surprised at how many things have correlation with GDP. Political instability for example, has a negative correlation with GDP, I would guess relations with neighbours has a positive relation because they are often a countries main trade partners. I couldn't find anything on their site saying they accounted for this. | ||
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Parsistamon
United States390 Posts
On September 09 2010 08:22 Jibba wrote: FYI, a piece of artillery = -1 peace point 1 tank = -5 peace points 1 combat aircraft = -20 peace points 1 warship = -100 peace points 1 aircraft carrier/nuclear submarine = -1000 peace points No wonder Germany is so low. It must be easy to be landlocked. You can have 200 tanks for every 1 of our submarines! Germany isn't landlocked  | ||
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muccer
125 Posts
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blahman3344
United States2015 Posts
Erm, 85th for the USA seems a bit lenient considering that we've overthrown 14 world leaders between 1893 and now for our own economic interests <_< | ||
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muccer
125 Posts
are the more religious societies more peaceful or is it the most atheists? seem to be a mix/ | ||
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Miss_Cleo
United States406 Posts
On September 09 2010 05:17 Integra wrote: Yea, it's kinda fucked up, we have not engaged war in a long time, we de declared ourselves neutral during world war I and world war II and have diplomatic relations with practically every country, even North Korea. Yet we have no problem in selling weapons to support countries that currently are waging war. Gotta make that cash son | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17331 Posts
Global peace is a nice idea, too bad it just can't work and in the long run would be bad for humanity. | ||
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jacen
Austria3644 Posts
On September 10 2010 08:34 muccer wrote: I am surprised by Austria's ranking though. Never stroke me as very peaceful. Do not forget that Austria, like many other european countries, has not fought in an armed conflict since ww2. Austria has not turned to arms during all the conflicts involving its 3 (4) eastern neighbors. Also Austria is heavily dependent on tourism, making dealing with foreigners a necessety. I am still suprised as we DO manufacture infantry weapons. There is an agreement with the manufacturers that they can't export through or even in regions of active war, but still. As for domestic peace: Austria, like Germany, France and part of the UK too, have high immigration from eastern europe and turkey. Austrias government has made subtile improvements to foster immigration and prevent civil tension, but these efforts have stepped back in recent years. If we continue without shifting, we will surely decline on the GPI not because of foreign affairs, but because our domestic problem will flare up. Oh yeah ... and our people in power (politicians and upper management) are quite corrupt for a developed nation. Recent court investigations show this quite clearly. Dunno how much the GPI does factor this in though. Overall ... we are quite peaceful, but on an (imho) undeserved rank #4. | ||
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yB.TeH
Germany414 Posts
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