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Duckvillelol
Australia1244 Posts
On September 09 2010 08:33 DannyJ wrote: Well, tanks are kinda useful in waging real warfare. I don't see America patrolling the streets of Iraq with Nuclear submarines... That's because submarines don't work on land. Hence marine. | ||
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Hobot
Canada17 Posts
I still think there is at least some value to this list as a way to bring attention to some issues that the majority is not aware of. For example, I was not aware of the scale of weapons exports in the Netherlands and Sweden. By the way, out of interest, Jibba you said you specialize in international relations and security, in what capacity? | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
is this purely foreign or domestic as well? | ||
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Hobot
Canada17 Posts
On September 09 2010 08:54 Zato-1 wrote: So the ideal country according to this ranking is one that imports no weapons, exports no weapons, disallows firearms to its upstanding members of society, has a small & incompetent military, and relies on its large funding to the UN to stay safe? LOL Peace isn't always a good thing...didn't you watch that Simpsons Halloween episode where Lisa wishes for world peace? Kang and Kodos took over and enslaved the entire human race. | ||
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muccer
125 Posts
[QUOTE]On September 09 2010 07:37 Hobot wrote: [QUOTE]On September 09 2010 07:17 Railz wrote: The amount of women in government didn't seem a bit arbitrary to you (Just as example of what he meant by arbitrary) ? Besides it is all subjective. To someone living inside the US it is peaceful, but we don't try to hide the fact that we'll protect interests abroad. The US is far too large, as is China and India to rate it as such. The list doesn't go into detail if it means peaceful to others or ourselves.[/QUOTE] Seems like you are confusing the indicators that actually make up the index - the first list of 23 measures of presence/absence of violence like number of conflicts and people in jail, with a whole other group of indicators they call drivers. The % of women in parliament of GDP or life expectancy, are just data sets against which the index is correlated, apparently to simply understand more about the fabric of peace. Really, before making these comments, one should read the report and methodology! [url=http://www.visionofhumanity.org/info-center/media-pack/2010-global-peace-index/]http://www.visionofhumanity.org/info-center/media-pack/2010-global-peace-index/[/url] | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On September 09 2010 09:00 Hobot wrote: Peace isn't always a good thing...didn't you watch that Simpsons Halloween episode where Lisa wishes for world peace? Kang and Kodos took over and enslaved the entire human race. I didn't, actually. Sounds like a fun episode :p | ||
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Rope
Ireland45 Posts
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illumination
Korea (South)248 Posts
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muccer
125 Posts
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Flyingdutchman
Netherlands858 Posts
On September 09 2010 08:39 Hobot wrote: Now that you (Jibba and Danny) have fleshed out your disagreements more, I can definitely respect them if not entirely agree with them. I still think there is at least some value to this list as a way to bring attention to some issues that the majority is not aware of. For example, I was not aware of the scale of weapons exports in the Netherlands and Sweden. By the way, out of interest, Jibba you said you specialize in international relations and security, in what capacity? I've already stated in my post on the first page why the weapons exports for the Netherlands is misleading. I'll even expand on that; Besides the fact that the weapons we sell ourselves are from the defence ministry cutbacks, like selling F16's we don't use any more, or APC's, The rest basically comes down to the occurrence that we are the revolving door for a lot of trade going in and out of Europe. Did you know we are one of the main exporters of oil according to the CIA factbook? We don't have any oil ourselves, it is merely passing through imports to other nations. These kind of things not being accounted leads me to believe they haven't paid as much attention as they should have to the variables used. Look closer to the variables with just a hint of scrutiny and you will see a lot of it is misleading. But hey! Does it matter because it is about peace, so lying is ok then right? | ||
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DminusTerran
Canada1337 Posts
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x2fst
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BloodDrunK
Bangladesh2767 Posts
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muccer
125 Posts
in terms of exports/imports of weapons, sure, it is hard to measure. there are countries that export all the components for land mines but these are assembled somewhere else. so they pretend their hands are clean ... | ||
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dinmsab
Malaysia2246 Posts
So why are people surprised USA is at #85? I'm actually surprised they aren't much higher lol | ||
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muccer
125 Posts
On September 09 2010 05:08 Integra wrote: What makes Sweden ranked 10 is due to the fact that we export weapons to third countries that supports dictatorship and or has conflicts so the low ranking was really no surprise. So if Sweden stopped exporting weapons it would jump to number 1? I am surprised by Austria's ranking though. Never stroke me as very peaceful. | ||
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Zurles
United Kingdom1659 Posts
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Adeny
Norway1233 Posts
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