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On September 23 2010 03:26 LaLLsc2 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2010 04:48 DoubleZee wrote:On September 09 2010 04:06 Back wrote:On September 09 2010 04:02 groms wrote: canada i am disappoint. only 14th We have an unruly neighbor :D That dragged us into a 9 year old war and encourages our leaders to spend billions on war planes. I would say 14 is pretty good. Everything Canada has done to drop its peace rating is a direct result of what they believe is best for Canada. You can blame the US all you want but in the end you're just like everyone else.
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On September 09 2010 04:48 DoubleZee wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2010 04:06 Back wrote:On September 09 2010 04:02 groms wrote: canada i am disappoint. only 14th We have an unruly neighbor :D That dragged us into a 9 year old war and encourages our leaders to spend billions on war planes. I would say 14 is pretty good.
Yeah the unruly neighbor that ensures our borders are secure against any nation that would try to invade a peaceful, sparsely populated nation rich in natural resources and arable land. And an unruly neighbor that effectively pays for the real cost of our national defense. Damnit if we can't just shift all of the violence in our country onto them! What else is NAFTA good for?!?!
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On September 23 2010 08:21 muccer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2010 03:26 LaLLsc2 wrote:On September 09 2010 04:48 DoubleZee wrote:On September 09 2010 04:06 Back wrote:On September 09 2010 04:02 groms wrote: canada i am disappoint. only 14th We have an unruly neighbor :D That dragged us into a 9 year old war and encourages our leaders to spend billions on war planes. I would say 14 is pretty good. Everything Canada has done to drop its peace rating is a direct result of what they believe is best for Canada. You can blame the US all you want but in the end you're just like everyone else.
message disappeared ... what I was saying is that it appears the scores for top 20 countries are really close, so minor changes may completely change the list. wonder what will happen next year given the recent political shifts.
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I have seen the hunger index have been released. wonder how it compares with the peace index ie are violent countries also more hungry?
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lol USA ranked below communist China.
and how is japan ranked above canada?
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On October 22 2010 15:22 dybydx wrote: lol USA ranked below communist China.
and how is japan ranked above canada?
So is Cuba, I guess communism works O_O
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On October 22 2010 15:22 dybydx wrote: lol USA ranked below communist China.
and how is japan ranked above canada?
seems to me the top 20 countries are very very close, note their scores. Much more difference between the scores of the bottom countries. That is to say, top ranking could easily change year on year, much harder to move when you are at the bottom. So there is hope for Canada to overtake Japan next year!
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being neutral is awesome nr6:D, also we are 1337:D
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Well, New Zealand on rank 1... no wonder, what should they do ? throw sheeps ? Export deadly LOTR statists ? 
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Lol. Ahhhh... I love stuff like this. Makes me laugh. But ya know what? If we were the most violent country, I'd STILL love my country. If we were the worst, I wouldn't care. My nation is the most charitable nation. We fund the most cash to the UN (which is freaking useless!), we give the most goods and cash away to other countries, and we are almost ALWAYS there at the scene of whatever international incident there is. (Chilean miners, anyone?)
So, yeah. This stuff means nothing. God bless America and every decent soul within her borders. <3
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On October 25 2010 11:09 Alexhandr wrote: Lol. Ahhhh... I love stuff like this. Makes me laugh. But ya know what? If we were the most violent country, I'd STILL love my country. If we were the worst, I wouldn't care. My nation is the most charitable nation. We fund the most cash to the UN (which is freaking useless!), we give the most cash and goods away to other countries, and we are almost ALWAYS there at the scene of whatever international incident there is. (Chilean miners, anyone?)
So, yeah. This stuff means nothing. God bless America and every decent soul within her borders. <3
Accidental double post. Forgive me and please delete this one.
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On September 14 2010 03:52 Kimaker wrote: Ok...based on that criteria, the USA's number's would be artificially inflated because of how many people are jailed because of Marijuana, the "access to weapons" criteria is no indicator AT ALL of peace when you consider that the perceived criminality, police, level of violent crime and homicide's category's all demonstrate how those weapons are actually used, which would be a much more accurate representation of how "peaceful" a nation is. The notion of "disrespect for human rights" is arbitrary and non-quantifiable in any meaningful way, and should be removed as a criteria. Military capacity and sophistication is silly as well. Just because you CAN kick ass, doesn't necessarily mean you WILL, just look at Japan, pretty peaceful, then look at the US, we're at war all over the joint! Given you can have both extremes within ONE category, I'm not sure it's really useful.
Those are just the ones that jumped out at me as being bullshit.
Very interesting list, but like all lists of this sort, ultimately useless.
Very, very, very, very important to consider when viewing this kind of data. Thanks for the insight.
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On October 25 2010 11:19 .Aar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 03:52 Kimaker wrote: Ok...based on that criteria, the USA's number's would be artificially inflated because of how many people are jailed because of Marijuana, the "access to weapons" criteria is no indicator AT ALL of peace when you consider that the perceived criminality, police, level of violent crime and homicide's category's all demonstrate how those weapons are actually used, which would be a much more accurate representation of how "peaceful" a nation is. The notion of "disrespect for human rights" is arbitrary and non-quantifiable in any meaningful way, and should be removed as a criteria. Military capacity and sophistication is silly as well. Just because you CAN kick ass, doesn't necessarily mean you WILL, just look at Japan, pretty peaceful, then look at the US, we're at war all over the joint! Given you can have both extremes within ONE category, I'm not sure it's really useful.
Those are just the ones that jumped out at me as being bullshit.
Very interesting list, but like all lists of this sort, ultimately useless.
Very, very, very, very important to consider when viewing this kind of data. Thanks for the insight.
I do not agree. why artificially inflated? are those people not in jail? the question here is, how at peace is a country and its people, would we not all be better off if there were less weapons, even if they are not used? for one, that money could be used for many other things. And is it peace when there is little crime on the street but one of every 3 people are in jail, think about it? And, just because you can kick ass does not mean you necessary will, but you still CAN. this is about aspiring to become better and understanding how we can get there. I believe that the nationalistic comments about my country being better that yours are proving how far we are from getting there.
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One should look at this as qualitative data. If you compare rankings, while they say that country X is 2 ranks higher than country Y its more likely that they are basically the same. So you can look at the most peaceful countries and the most war torn countries, and common-sense would judge why these countries are ranked where they are.
I'm not surprised that NZ is #1 though. They are a developed country, while being very passive about crime, terrorism and war, and America. They also don't have a great amount of natural resources, so basically no one cares about them, and thus they are left alone.
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On October 25 2010 16:38 sluggaslamoo wrote: One should look at this as qualitative data. If you compare rankings, while they say that country X is 2 ranks higher than country Y its more likely that they are basically the same. So you can look at the most peaceful countries and the most war torn countries, and common-sense would judge why these countries are ranked where they are.
I'm not surprised that NZ is #1 though. They are a developed country, while being very passive about crime, terrorism and war, and America. They also don't have a great amount of natural resources, so basically no one cares about them, and thus they are left alone.
So better to leave in NZ or the US?
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On October 25 2010 11:09 Alexhandr wrote: Lol. Ahhhh... I love stuff like this. Makes me laugh. But ya know what? If we were the most violent country, I'd STILL love my country. If we were the worst, I wouldn't care. My nation is the most charitable nation. We fund the most cash to the UN (which is freaking useless!), we give the most goods and cash away to other countries, and we are almost ALWAYS there at the scene of whatever international incident there is. (Chilean miners, anyone?)
So, yeah. This stuff means nothing. God bless America and every decent soul within her borders. <3
I was going to respond with facts, then I read your name and remembered that you're a troll.
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For comparison, the serbian area of Europe has had more wars than the rest of the world combined. It is sometimes referred to as the bloodlands. Peace is simply a word used to describe a level of security. Switzerland was "peaceful" during the world wars....but not because their people didn't have guns, but because of how dangerous it was for enemy armies. This peace index is simply a reference to the current number of recent engagements, however, the united states tends to fight in place of many other countries. For example, canada is listed as very peaceful, but they have plenty of soldiers in afghanistan. Europe is listed as peaceful, but that's because they practically resolved their conflicts with a giant war about 70 years ago. The United states may seem like they are at war with the middle east, but they are simply picking up the mess that europe left behind. Remember Pax Romana? Yeah, Rome was peaceful for almost 100 years, not! Peace is not something you can achieve, it is a decision to not reengage your enemies. Peace involves willingness to sacrifice your interests in favor of others. There is no country in the world like this right now. Some countries may have internal conflicts, but that makes them no less peaceful. The united states had a revolutionairy war, europe had it's wars, etc etc.
United States can achieve a peaceful status, but until it removes its troops from the rest of the world, this will not happen. I mean we still have troops in south korea, japan, panama, germany, etc! Bring the troops home, all of them!
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Wohoo we win! Maybe someone will attack us out of spite now
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On November 22 2010 08:58 darmousseh wrote:Switzerland was "peaceful" during the world wars....but not because their people didn't have guns, but because of how dangerous it was for enemy armies.
That's what we thought 50 years ago. The truth is the biggest reason we remained unconquered was because of the financial ties we had with Nazi Germany.
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