EPTOn November 22 2010 09:01 andyrichdale wrote:
Wohoo we win! Maybe someone will attack us out of spite now
Wohoo we win! Maybe someone will attack us out of spite now
You shall be under attack... by immigrants!
2010 global peace index - Page 11
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susySquark
United States1692 Posts
You shall be under attack... by immigrants! | ||
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
On November 22 2010 09:09 Orome wrote: That's what we thought 50 years ago. The truth is the biggest reason we remained unconquered was because of the financial ties we had with Nazi Germany. this is 100% right. They needed someone to trade with. Although when i was in switzerland i heard about the crazy bombs you guys had on all the mountain passes to block them if someone invaded. Pretty neat. All in all i think these kind of ratings are fairly biased and really you cant take much from them. But thats my opinion | ||
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xaeiu
432 Posts
On November 22 2010 09:30 Darpa wrote: All in all i think these kind of ratings are fairly biased and really you cant take much from them. But thats my opinion same here... anyway...4th...yippie  | ||
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
On September 14 2010 03:52 Kimaker wrote: Ok...based on that criteria, the USA's number's would be artificially inflated because of how many people are jailed because of Marijuana, the "access to weapons" criteria is no indicator AT ALL of peace when you consider that the perceived criminality, police, level of violent crime and homicide's category's all demonstrate how those weapons are actually used, which would be a much more accurate representation of how "peaceful" a nation is. The notion of "disrespect for human rights" is arbitrary and non-quantifiable in any meaningful way, and should be removed as a criteria. Military capacity and sophistication is silly as well. Just because you CAN kick ass, doesn't necessarily mean you WILL, just look at Japan, pretty peaceful, then look at the US, we're at war all over the joint! Given you can have both extremes within ONE category, I'm not sure it's really useful. Those are just the ones that jumped out at me as being bullshit. Very interesting list, but like all lists of this sort, ultimately useless. How so? Breaking international laws of human rights --> disrespect for human rights. Seems measurable. Or do you mean the laws in themself are arbitrary? | ||
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Konfustikator
New Zealand17 Posts
In another note, WE WIN! This strange surge of nationalistic pride makes me want to go out and conquer foreign lands to show them how to be like us!!! Oh wait... | ||
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Gak2
Canada418 Posts
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KillerPenguin
United States516 Posts
In reality overly peaceful no military nations make the world less safe, it's like elementary school where the kids don't know how to say no to a bully so there ends up being a lot of powerful bullies because it works. Europe could have dealt with Hitler easily without the US but almost the entire continent just caved in. I love how Germany and Japan terrorized, murdered, and raped half the world and on number of conflicts, casualties, and global peace index they score so high. How does this just not take into account the only real destabilization of peace which happened during WWII because of those 2 nations. Compared to any other time in history the last 65 years have been extremely peaceful while the US has been a superpower. I think people take for granted that the US has not abused it's power to the extent everyone else has in the past and just assume that the world is more civilized now so of course their will not be a WW3 if another country replaces the US. Can anyone name a country in the past which was as powerful as the US relative to other countries and didn't completely abuse and take control of another country? It's one thing to say "if my country was the most powerful they would do a better job than the US" it's another thing to actually be the most powerful country and not abuse it. Iraq was certainly a blunder but that is nothing compared to the millions Greece, Rome, Persia, England, France, Germany, Japan, and Russia terrorized and murdered when they were powerful. If most muslim nations had the power the US has there would be a WW3 within a generation. Let us hope when the US falls that China or whoever takes our place doesn't act like a typical superpower and terrorize other nations the way history usually works. | ||
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HeIios
Sweden2523 Posts
On November 22 2010 09:55 Konfustikator wrote: Interestingly, the top countries of the GPI and the HDI ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index ) are kinda similar. In another note, WE WIN! This strange surge of nationalistic pride makes me want to go out and conquer foreign lands to show them how to be like us!!! Oh wait... Send the sheeps! The sheeps! I for one welcome our new herd overlords. [edit] I liked the restraint the US of A showed when faced with the native "problem". | ||
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xaeiu
432 Posts
On November 22 2010 10:22 KillerPenguin wrote: What a load of bull. If we used these indicators on people the police officer would get a 4/5 because he often gets involved in conflicts, carries a weapon etc. I love how Germany and Japan terrorized, murdered, and raped half the world and on number of conflicts, casualties, and global peace index they score so high. How does this just not take into account the only real destabilization of peace which happened during WWII because of those 2 nations. Can anyone name a country in the past which was more powerful than the US relative to other countries and showed more restraint than the US has shown? Iraq was certainly a blunder but that is nothing compared to the millions Greece, Rome, Persia, England, France, Germany, Japan, and Russia terrorized and murdered when they were powerful. If most muslim nations had the power the US has there would be a WW3 within a generation. Let us hope when the US falls that China or whoever takes our place doesn't act like a typical superpower and terrorize other nations the way history usually works. lol...seriously? i can't even count how many stereotypes are in there... i mean i'm on you when you say stuff like that is actually really not reliable but you should really get a lil bit deeper when it comes to stuff like that, differ a lil bit and not rage so much in superficiality... other than that...is there any other method for calculating the hdi or is it still the same old (critized) method? On November 22 2010 09:55 Konfustikator wrote: Interestingly, the top countries of the GPI and the HDI ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index ) are kinda similar. In another note, WE WIN! This strange surge of nationalistic pride makes me want to go out and conquer foreign lands to show them how to be like us!!! Oh wait... beside the need for conquering i'm curious...was new zealand really never #1 on the hdi? because i just searched a lil bit and was not really able to find nz on #1 ever...am i missing something? | ||
muccer
125 Posts
On November 22 2010 10:35 xaeiu wrote: i'm curious...was new zealand really never #1 on the hdi? because i just searched a lil bit and was not really able to find nz on #1 ever...am i missing something? Not sure if it was ever #1 but it ranked #3 this year http://hdr.undp.org/en/statistics. On these types of indices, not much difference between the top 10, or even the top 20. | ||
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KillerPenguin
United States516 Posts
On November 22 2010 10:25 HeIios wrote: I liked the restraint the US of A showed when faced with the native "problem". We showed the natives more restraint than Russia with Alaskan natives or Europeans in Africa of the same time period. And by more restraint I mean we told them to move before taking their land rather than just rounding them up and selling them as slaves. | ||
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Applecakes
Australia319 Posts
On November 22 2010 10:25 HeIios wrote: Send the sheeps! The sheeps! I for one welcome our new herd overlords. [edit] I liked the restraint the US of A showed when faced with the native "problem". how do you want to divide it up? | ||
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Frigo
Hungary1023 Posts
Israel less peaceful than every single country in the Middle East, except Iraq? You kidding? Malaysia only marginally less peaceful than Hungary and Slovakia? After all those molotov attacks on churches and christians? Sharia law anyone? Did they fine-tune it so Israel and the United States (with Iraq and Afghanistan) would look bad? Some concept of "peace" they have. | ||
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Almeisan
50 Posts
It's like with Iran where Iran is considered to be an international outlaw because it does not submit to US hegemony of the world. Obama calls it 'going against international order' which in itself is apparently immoral. US is very afraid of countries rallying around China. Countries try to get out of the US sphere of influence. They have all the right to not be under US influence. US just doesn't respect the sovereignty of other countries. Back in the cold war they basically invaded every country in the western hemisphere that didn't submit to their rule. Israel is low there for a reason too. Israel is a terrorist state that says it doesn't care about international law. Actually, US does the same and is the only country in the world that was ever convicted for terrorism by the world count. I really do believe that an objective rating is possible and that that list would look similar to how this list looks. | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On November 22 2010 12:25 Frigo wrote: China more peaceful than the United States? What? Israel less peaceful than every single country in the Middle East, except Iraq? You kidding? Malaysia only marginally less peaceful than Hungary and Slovakia? After all those molotov attacks on churches and christians? Sharia law anyone? Did they fine-tune it so Israel and the United States (with Iraq and Afghanistan) would look bad? Some concept of "peace" they have. I think you need to do some fact checking if the first two are such suprises. | ||
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XinRan
United States530 Posts
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Winter_mute
Germany40 Posts
On November 22 2010 10:22 KillerPenguin wrote: What a load of bull. If we used these indicators on people the police officer would get a 4/5 because he often gets involved in conflicts, carries a weapon etc. and the homeless guy on the street gets a 1/5 because he's old, sticks to himself, and has nothing that can be considered a weapon. In reality overly peaceful no military nations make the world less safe, it's like elementary school where the kids don't know how to say no to a bully so there ends up being a lot of powerful bullies because it works. Europe could have dealt with Hitler easily without the US but almost the entire continent just caved in. I love how Germany and Japan terrorized, murdered, and raped half the world and on number of conflicts, casualties, and global peace index they score so high. How does this just not take into account the only real destabilization of peace which happened during WWII because of those 2 nations. Compared to any other time in history the last 65 years have been extremely peaceful while the US has been a superpower. I think people take for granted that the US has not abused it's power to the extent everyone else has in the past and just assume that the world is more civilized now so of course their will not be a WW3 if another country replaces the US. Can anyone name a country in the past which was as powerful as the US relative to other countries and didn't completely abuse and take control of another country? It's one thing to say "if my country was the most powerful they would do a better job than the US" it's another thing to actually be the most powerful country and not abuse it. Iraq was certainly a blunder but that is nothing compared to the millions Greece, Rome, Persia, England, France, Germany, Japan, and Russia terrorized and murdered when they were powerful. If most muslim nations had the power the US has there would be a WW3 within a generation. Let us hope when the US falls that China or whoever takes our place doesn't act like a typical superpower and terrorize other nations the way history usually works. Made my day. :D You are wrong on sooooo many accounts, it is hilarious. Lets start at the beginning. 1.) Having a nation that sees itself as some kind of world police is a bad thing. Your perception of the last 65 years as some kind of golden age is outright ridiculous. Ever heard of proxy wars? Do you need a list of all the dictators that were backed by the US to beat the russians? Ever heard of the Contras? Genocide with the help of the CIA. Yeah. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Wars Now look at that 65 Year period again. 2.) The US DID NOT SAVE EUROPE FROM THE NAZIS ALONE. 75% of the german casualties were inflicted by the russians. The russians conquered Berlin. The Russians had the highest casualties. What you are believing is simple cold war propaganda. 3.) I can't even beginn to tell you how wrong your believes about Japan and Germany are. Japan did not even have a ministry of defence untill recently. And Germans did not want to have an army at first, but they had to => cold war. Germany totally peacefull since 45. In fact that stupid afghanistan war was the first war after 45 that germans took part in. Japan, Germany and France learned from the past. France and Germany now have a long history of friendship (and both countries work together in the EU). 4.) Some fun facts about the US not abusing its power can be found under 1.). Also: The US is the only nation that used nuclear weapons in a conflict. Remember that the japanese anti-air defense was already non-existant and the japanese were almost ready to surrender. Also remember that you can get a similar effect using conventional bombs and the firestorm-effect (think of a giant chimney). Does the term "SWIFT" tell you anything? US agencies can have a look at bank data of european citizens without ANYONE controlling what they are doing. Bush doctrine. Nuff said. "Do you agree with the Bush doctrine?" "In what respect, Charly?" Edit: A bomb squad blew up a backpack, that has been left behind at a train station 2 days ago in a controlled explosion. Along with its contents: some oranges, a sandwhich and a magazine. | ||
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FaCE_1
Canada6170 Posts
Would like to be top10 but still | ||
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MoonfireSpam
United Kingdom1153 Posts
Israel is about where it should be since shitting on your own people is bad, but shitting on another state, International Law and Human Rights takes the cake. But fair play to them, they know how to fight a war properly. | ||
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Copymizer
Denmark2084 Posts
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