On September 11 2010 10:38 Khul Sadukar wrote: You cant force tolerance down ppls throats.
9/11 was done in the name of Jihad. Theres no denying that.
I think the muslims are being rediculous and only making the situation worse by trying to build a Mosque there.
I think the gays are being rediculous and only making the situation worse by trying to get into the Stonewall Inn.
I think the blacks are being rediculous and only making the situation worse by trying to sit on the back of the bus.
I think the christians are being rediculous and only making the situation worse by preaching their faith and upsetting the roman gods.
I think you're being ridiculous and only making the situation worse by posting.
I think your post is rediculous since your comparing gay rights and racist laws & offending imaginary gods to actually building a shrine to a faith at a place which only recently many people were killed in the name of.
You dont see us building churches over in Afghanistan/Iraq do you?
Wonder how well that would sit with the locals...
I think his post is spot on. People against this are just stereotyping and discriminating based upon the religion. In fact, most people against this are just extrapolating the actions of extremists to the whole group. They want to build a shrine of faith to Islam? OH MY GOD, CAN'T HAPPEN. NOT NEAR GROUND ZERO! You know what else? It was MEN who drove those planes. Therefore, wouldn't it offend all women to have anything dealing with men near ground zero? QUICK, DESTROY ALL MEN'S BATHROOMS NEAR GROUND ZERO! Oh no, those people were wearing CLOTHES too? DESTROY ALL DEPARTMENT STORES! It might offend the nudists! God, do people not realize that Muslims died in the attack too? Over 300 American Muslims died in that attack. Therefore, we should discriminate against Muslims and their faith? >_>
Go build a church in Irag I dare you.
See the reaction from the locals.
So because they're possibly, POSSIBLY bigoted, we should be too? Should we follow the ideals of Iran too then and become a theocracy?
On September 11 2010 10:38 Khul Sadukar wrote: You cant force tolerance down ppls throats.
9/11 was done in the name of Jihad. Theres no denying that.
I think the muslims are being rediculous and only making the situation worse by trying to build a Mosque there.
I think the gays are being rediculous and only making the situation worse by trying to get into the Stonewall Inn.
I think the blacks are being rediculous and only making the situation worse by trying to sit on the back of the bus.
I think the christians are being rediculous and only making the situation worse by preaching their faith and upsetting the roman gods.
I think you're being ridiculous and only making the situation worse by posting.
I think your post is rediculous since your comparing gay rights and racist laws & offending imaginary gods to actually building a shrine to a faith at a place which only recently many people were killed in the name of.
You dont see us building churches over in Afghanistan/Iraq do you?
Wonder how well that would sit with the locals...
I think his post is spot on. People against this are just stereotyping and discriminating based upon the religion. In fact, most people against this are just extrapolating the actions of extremists to the whole group. They want to build a shrine of faith to Islam? OH MY GOD, CAN'T HAPPEN. NOT NEAR GROUND ZERO! You know what else? It was MEN who drove those planes. Therefore, wouldn't it offend all women to have anything dealing with men near ground zero? QUICK, DESTROY ALL MEN'S BATHROOMS NEAR GROUND ZERO! Oh no, those people were wearing CLOTHES too? DESTROY ALL DEPARTMENT STORES! It might offend the nudists! God, do people not realize that Muslims died in the attack too? Over 300 American Muslims died in that attack. Therefore, we should discriminate against Muslims and their faith? >_>
Go build a church in Irag I dare you.
See the reaction from the locals.
Why you continue to spout this nonsense is ridiculous.
The U.S. is governed by a different set of principles than Iraq is.
Most of these posts are very, very immature views. No one is implying that we hate Islam, and when you make assumptions off another point to make an argument, that's what we call a fallacy. If you can't understand why people don't want this to be built, you really have to look at yourself in the mirror, because you have to grow the fuck up. A lot of the people against the mosque have pretty immature views too, that's for sure. The fact of the matter is, people died in the name of the Islamic god Allah 9 years ago today. When these people that want to build it tell you what it's "really for", and what will happen there, there's a good chance they're bending the truth to make you agree and be okay with it. In reality Allah WILL be worshiped there, regardless of who is in there worshiping, their beliefs, agree with the extremists or not, Allah will be worshiped there.
It seems kind of like a slap in the face. There are tons of other places this could be built, why there? Why the controversy? It's clear that this would have brought on some bad feelings from the past. There has to be other motives with them having this knowledge.
On September 12 2010 11:07 Demarini wrote: Most of these posts are very, very immature views. No one is implying that we hate Islam, and when you make assumptions off another point to make an argument, that's what we call a fallacy. If you can't understand why people don't want this to be built, you really have to look at yourself in the mirror, because you have to grow the fuck up. A lot of the people against the mosque have pretty immature views too, that's for sure. The fact of the matter is, people died in the name of the Islamic god Allah 9 years ago today. When these people that want to build it tell you what it's "really for", and what will happen there, there's a good chance they're bending the truth to make you agree and be okay with it. In reality Allah WILL be worshiped there, regardless of who is in there worshiping, their beliefs, agree with the extremists or not, Allah will be worshiped there.
It seems kind of like a slap in the face. There are tons of other places this could be built, why there? Why the controversy? It's clear that this would have brought on some bad feelings from the past. There has to be other motives with them having this knowledge.
Of course Allah will be worshiped there. There will be a mosque after all.
I don't see anything wrong with that. The fact that some extremists, who are the minority in Islam, decided to harm innocent civilians in the name of Allah has no bearing on what American Muslims do in the name of Allah.
As for why that location. I believe somewhere in this topic someone posted a news article that stated the owners bought that land because a wing or the fail fin of one of the planes landed on the building.
On September 12 2010 11:07 Demarini wrote: Most of these posts are very, very immature views. No one is implying that we hate Islam, and when you make assumptions off another point to make an argument, that's what we call a fallacy. If you can't understand why people don't want this to be built, you really have to look at yourself in the mirror, because you have to grow the fuck up. A lot of the people against the mosque have pretty immature views too, that's for sure. The fact of the matter is, people died in the name of the Islamic god Allah 9 years ago today. When these people that want to build it tell you what it's "really for", and what will happen there, there's a good chance they're bending the truth to make you agree and be okay with it. In reality Allah WILL be worshiped there, regardless of who is in there worshiping, their beliefs, agree with the extremists or not, Allah will be worshiped there.
It seems kind of like a slap in the face. There are tons of other places this could be built, why there? Why the controversy? It's clear that this would have brought on some bad feelings from the past. There has to be other motives with them having this knowledge.
It's not a fallacy that people against the mosque are usually discriminating based upon religion. Let's look at the facts: Extremists crashed the plane. The people who want to build the community center are not extremists. People don't want the community center built. Why? Because they're Islamic. Okay... What does that have to do with anything? Islamic Extremists crashed the plane. Okay... so? Therefore we cannot allow a building to worship Islam to be built within the vicinity. I'm sorry, but is that not discriminating against a religion?
I also don't understand how your argument against it is anything aside from discrimination based upon religion. Because Allah or God is worshiped there, and it happens to be the Islamic God, this community center shouldn't be built? And the reason for this is because extremists died for this Allah? Why is it that the majority of Muslims are discriminated against and have their rights stripped because of the minority? The fact of the matter is that you're against this because this is a Mosque, not a Synagogue, not a Buddhist Temple, not a Hindu Temple, not a Church, but a Mosque. The fact of the matter is the people who died in the name of the Islamic God were also extremists, outliers of the religion. The fact of the matter is 300 Muslims ALSO died in the 9/11 attacks, not just Christians.
And why there you ask? Because it's cheap property. Because there's another mosque near by that's extremely crowded so they need another place of worship. If your church/synagogue/temple was so full that you had to worship on the street, would you not want another one? Also, why should they have to move for the sympathy of the majority?
On September 12 2010 11:22 Lobotomist wrote: I hope it gets burned down.
Yet another ignorant asshole who doesn't realize his ill-informed attitude directly results in the strengthening of the most dangerous enemy America has ever faced.
We have tens of thousands of military personnel from many countries fighting worldwide to combat the threat of extremists, they hunt for and kill these extremists on a daily basis while ignorant fuck-tards like you unknowingly (hopefully) bolster groups like al-qaeda during the day and sleep safely in your bed at night.
Although the efforts of the military can be attributed directly to the weakening of osama and his lackeys, I think that hunting and killing people like you would do much more for the cause of eradicating these threats to our country.
On September 12 2010 11:22 Lobotomist wrote: I hope it gets burned down.
Yet another ignorant asshole who doesn't realize his ill-informed attitude directly results in the strengthening of the most dangerous enemy America has ever faced.
Some Russians are going to be angry at this insult.
On September 12 2010 11:22 Lobotomist wrote: I hope it gets burned down.
Yet another ignorant asshole who doesn't realize his ill-informed attitude directly results in the strengthening of the most dangerous enemy America has ever faced.
Some Russians are going to be angry at this insult.
the Russians never killed over 4000 American civilians in a single day. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have even wanted to.
Although the Russians were a great threat they never went through with attacks that purposely targeted American civilians (with German civilans that might be a different story). Although they have a large arsenal of nukes they have never once used one in war.
I'm pretty sure that if osama had access to even one nuke, he would use it immediately with devastating results.
On September 12 2010 12:03 zealotz55 wrote: Although the Russians were a great threat they never went through with attacks that purposely targeted American civilians (with German civilans that might be a different story). Although they have a large arsenal of nukes they have never once used one in war.
I'm pretty sure that if osama had access to even one nuke, he would use it immediately with devastating results.
Yeah, a nuke made by or stolen from Russia most likely. Russia even gives Iran uranium for their "power plants."
Russia was by far the biggest threat America has ever had. Sure they didn't destroy America and the world, but they could have, which is kind of the point. Not to mention Korea and Vietnam weren't very fun for our country.
Communism was a gigantic threat to the entire world.
On September 12 2010 12:03 zealotz55 wrote: Although the Russians were a great threat they never went through with attacks that purposely targeted American civilians (with German civilans that might be a different story). Although they have a large arsenal of nukes they have never once used one in war.
I'm pretty sure that if osama had access to even one nuke, he would use it immediately with devastating results.
Yeah, a nuke made by or stolen from Russia most likely. Russia even gives Iran uranium for their "power plants."
Russia was by far the biggest threat America has ever had. Sure they didn't destroy America and the world, but they could have, which is kind of the point. Not to mention Korea and Vietnam weren't very fun for our country.
Communism was a gigantic threat to the entire world.
On September 12 2010 12:03 zealotz55 wrote: Although the Russians were a great threat they never went through with attacks that purposely targeted American civilians (with German civilans that might be a different story). Although they have a large arsenal of nukes they have never once used one in war.
I'm pretty sure that if osama had access to even one nuke, he would use it immediately with devastating results.
Yeah, a nuke made by or stolen from Russia most likely. Russia even gives Iran uranium for their "power plants."
Russia was by far the biggest threat America has ever had. Sure they didn't destroy America and the world, but they could have, which is kind of the point. Not to mention Korea and Vietnam weren't very fun for our country.
Communism was a gigantic threat to the entire world.
ok i give up you win.
The Russians you insulted will break out the Vodka! Rejoice comrades!!!!!
On September 12 2010 11:07 Demarini wrote: Most of these posts are very, very immature views. No one is implying that we hate Islam, and when you make assumptions off another point to make an argument, that's what we call a fallacy. If you can't understand why people don't want this to be built, you really have to look at yourself in the mirror, because you have to grow the fuck up. A lot of the people against the mosque have pretty immature views too, that's for sure. The fact of the matter is, people died in the name of the Islamic god Allah 9 years ago today. When these people that want to build it tell you what it's "really for", and what will happen there, there's a good chance they're bending the truth to make you agree and be okay with it. In reality Allah WILL be worshiped there, regardless of who is in there worshiping, their beliefs, agree with the extremists or not, Allah will be worshiped there.
It seems kind of like a slap in the face. There are tons of other places this could be built, why there? Why the controversy? It's clear that this would have brought on some bad feelings from the past. There has to be other motives with them having this knowledge.
It's not a fallacy that people against the mosque are usually discriminating based upon religion. Let's look at the facts: Extremists crashed the plane. The people who want to build the community center are not extremists. People don't want the community center built. Why? Because they're Islamic. Okay... What does that have to do with anything? Islamic Extremists crashed the plane. Okay... so? Therefore we cannot allow a building to worship Islam to be built within the vicinity. I'm sorry, but is that not discriminating against a religion?
I also don't understand how your argument against it is anything aside from discrimination based upon religion. Because Allah or God is worshiped there, and it happens to be the Islamic God, this community center shouldn't be built? And the reason for this is because extremists died for this Allah? Why is it that the majority of Muslims are discriminated against and have their rights stripped because of the minority? The fact of the matter is that you're against this because this is a Mosque, not a Synagogue, not a Buddhist Temple, not a Hindu Temple, not a Church, but a Mosque. The fact of the matter is the people who died in the name of the Islamic God were also extremists, outliers of the religion. The fact of the matter is 300 Muslims ALSO died in the 9/11 attacks, not just Christians.
And why there you ask? Because it's cheap property. Because there's another mosque near by that's extremely crowded so they need another place of worship. If your church/synagogue/temple was so full that you had to worship on the street, would you not want another one? Also, why should they have to move for the sympathy of the majority?
That's the immaturity that I'm talking about. You honestly can not see the enormous impact 9/11 had, and was. How. How can't you see that 9/11 was the biggest moment in this country since Pearl Harbor, the first attack on US soil since that day. It hurts, it should hurt every time you think of it, you should cringe. I was 10, I still understoond how big of a day that was and how awful it is that thousands of people's lives were taken. You say I'm insensitive. How the fuck aren't they insensitive? Yes, I know they aren't extremists, I know they probably aren't bad people, but it doesn't change the fact that they very well know what they're doing by building a mosque at ground zero. The country is a pretty big place, new york is a pretty big place, hell, new york city is a pretty god damn big place. There are multiple other locations that they could build that, yet they choose that. They know exactly what they're doing, and I don't like it. I don't see the good in a person's soul when they're intentionally bringing bad memories to others. I can't stress it enough that this Imam knows exactly what he's doing.
On September 11 2010 10:38 Khul Sadukar wrote: You cant force tolerance down ppls throats.
9/11 was done in the name of Jihad. Theres no denying that.
I think the muslims are being rediculous and only making the situation worse by trying to build a Mosque there.
I think the gays are being rediculous and only making the situation worse by trying to get into the Stonewall Inn.
I think the blacks are being rediculous and only making the situation worse by trying to sit on the back of the bus.
I think the christians are being rediculous and only making the situation worse by preaching their faith and upsetting the roman gods.
I think you're being ridiculous and only making the situation worse by posting.
I think your post is rediculous since your comparing gay rights and racist laws & offending imaginary gods to actually building a shrine to a faith at a place which only recently many people were killed in the name of.
You dont see us building churches over in Afghanistan/Iraq do you?
Wonder how well that would sit with the locals...
I think his post is spot on. People against this are just stereotyping and discriminating based upon the religion. In fact, most people against this are just extrapolating the actions of extremists to the whole group. They want to build a shrine of faith to Islam? OH MY GOD, CAN'T HAPPEN. NOT NEAR GROUND ZERO! You know what else? It was MEN who drove those planes. Therefore, wouldn't it offend all women to have anything dealing with men near ground zero? QUICK, DESTROY ALL MEN'S BATHROOMS NEAR GROUND ZERO! Oh no, those people were wearing CLOTHES too? DESTROY ALL DEPARTMENT STORES! It might offend the nudists! God, do people not realize that Muslims died in the attack too? Over 300 American Muslims died in that attack. Therefore, we should discriminate against Muslims and their faith? >_>
Go build a church in Irag I dare you.
See the reaction from the locals.
Iraq was largely secularized under Saddam's rule. I can't believe you're actually arguing against freedom of religion, and pointing to 3rd world countries as your rolemodels. Lol.
On September 12 2010 11:07 Demarini wrote: Most of these posts are very, very immature views. No one is implying that we hate Islam, and when you make assumptions off another point to make an argument, that's what we call a fallacy. If you can't understand why people don't want this to be built, you really have to look at yourself in the mirror, because you have to grow the fuck up. A lot of the people against the mosque have pretty immature views too, that's for sure. The fact of the matter is, people died in the name of the Islamic god Allah 9 years ago today. When these people that want to build it tell you what it's "really for", and what will happen there, there's a good chance they're bending the truth to make you agree and be okay with it. In reality Allah WILL be worshiped there, regardless of who is in there worshiping, their beliefs, agree with the extremists or not, Allah will be worshiped there.
It seems kind of like a slap in the face. There are tons of other places this could be built, why there? Why the controversy? It's clear that this would have brought on some bad feelings from the past. There has to be other motives with them having this knowledge.
It's not a fallacy that people against the mosque are usually discriminating based upon religion. Let's look at the facts: Extremists crashed the plane. The people who want to build the community center are not extremists. People don't want the community center built. Why? Because they're Islamic. Okay... What does that have to do with anything? Islamic Extremists crashed the plane. Okay... so? Therefore we cannot allow a building to worship Islam to be built within the vicinity. I'm sorry, but is that not discriminating against a religion?
I also don't understand how your argument against it is anything aside from discrimination based upon religion. Because Allah or God is worshiped there, and it happens to be the Islamic God, this community center shouldn't be built? And the reason for this is because extremists died for this Allah? Why is it that the majority of Muslims are discriminated against and have their rights stripped because of the minority? The fact of the matter is that you're against this because this is a Mosque, not a Synagogue, not a Buddhist Temple, not a Hindu Temple, not a Church, but a Mosque. The fact of the matter is the people who died in the name of the Islamic God were also extremists, outliers of the religion. The fact of the matter is 300 Muslims ALSO died in the 9/11 attacks, not just Christians.
And why there you ask? Because it's cheap property. Because there's another mosque near by that's extremely crowded so they need another place of worship. If your church/synagogue/temple was so full that you had to worship on the street, would you not want another one? Also, why should they have to move for the sympathy of the majority?
That's the immaturity that I'm talking about. You honestly can not see the enormous impact 9/11 had, and was. How. How can't you see that 9/11 was the biggest moment in this country since Pearl Harbor, the first attack on US soil since that day. It hurts, it should hurt every time you think of it, you should cringe. I was 10, I still understoond how big of a day that was and how awful it is that thousands of people's lives were taken. You say I'm insensitive. How the fuck aren't they insensitive? Yes, I know they aren't extremists, I know they probably aren't bad people, but it doesn't change the fact that they very well know what they're doing by building a mosque at ground zero. The country is a pretty big place, new york is a pretty big place, hell, new york city is a pretty god damn big place. There are multiple other locations that they could build that, yet they choose that. They know exactly what they're doing, and I don't like it. I don't see the good in a person's soul when they're intentionally bringing bad memories to others. I can't stress it enough that this Imam knows exactly what he's doing.
Where do you live, specifically? Do you know what the area around there is like? This is a community center, not a mosque, and there already is a mosque within 4 blocks of the site.
This is unbelievably frustrating to listen to people with little understanding of Manhattan ramble on about the location, when they don't understand the blocks or distances or areas of NYC. It's not in view of the WTC site and that's a depressed part of Park Place. The reason they can move in there is because no businesses want to. It's relatively cheap open property which, if you lived in NYC you'd know, is harder to find than a Kpop singer with talent. In all the time since that Burlington Coat Factory had closed, no one had bought it. And know who found that location for the developer? A 21 year old Columbian immigrant who had been on some reality TV show for real estate or something. Such malicious intentions!
Do you know what's near that hallowed and sacred ground? While you're giving your thoughts and prayers to the families of 9/11, you can stop by NY Dolls, the Pussycat Lounge or Thunder Lingerie to buy a couple of dildos for yourself.
Finally, for the last time, it's not a mosque. You're a fool if you think it is. That's not a debatable point. Cordoba House is modeled after 92Y. Look it up if you don't know what it is.
Do you know what's truly desecrating that site? The flocks of goddamn tourists who tell their cab drivers to go to "Ground Zero." Thousands of them, every day. New York is the most multicultural city in the world and most of the people trying to stop that aren't from there.
If the mosque/community center was actually at Ground Zero they may have had a legit case, if only because it's inapproriate to raise a building to worship the very same god whose name thousands of people got killed in right where they died. It would be like turning Auschwitz into a neo-nazi clubhouse. But it isn't. As others have already said, it is just in the vicinity of Ground Zero.
Now, I am the first to stray away from political correctness and say that islam is garbage we'd be better off without(other religions as well, but todays Islam is actually particularly bad for a variety of reasons), but there is freedom of religion for a reason, and in this particular case the good arguments have been tossed aside in favor of thinly veiled racism. Essentially what is going on here is that a lot of people don't see the difference between extremist muslims and regular muslims.
Of course, while much of this is ignorance and western propaganda, much of the fault here lies with prominent extremist muslims who are doing an even better job than Bush ever did at portraying every muslim as part of his extremist movement, as well as regular muslim groupings who so often fail to distance themselves from extreme acts.
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