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Why are you guys worried about ground zero? The trade centers are ALREADY GONE. Worry about them building a mosque around the Sear's Tower or the statue of liberty!
Views on construction of Mosque at Ground Zero - Page 37
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jrkirby
United States1510 Posts
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Obelisk7
Korea (South)65 Posts
2) Tell the U.S entertainment companies to stop calling themselves "News" 3) Find someone who will actually provide NEWS. Germany and other countries do a pretty good job at it...but I can't read their language --; 4) Figure out how we are going to educate Americans so we don't have idiots running around "representing" those who actually learned something in school. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On September 13 2010 00:26 Obelisk7 wrote: 1) Build it anyway 2) Tell the U.S entertainment companies to stop calling themselves "News" 3) Find someone who will actually provide NEWS. Germany and other countries do a pretty good job at it...but I can't read their language --; 4) Figure out how we are going to educate Americans so we don't have idiots running around "representing" those who actually learned something in school. Amen to that... Unfortunately it doesn't seem feasible =( | ||
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shieldbreak
United States406 Posts
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Obelisk7
Korea (South)65 Posts
On September 13 2010 00:35 Djzapz wrote: Amen to that... Unfortunately it doesn't seem feasible =( YES WE CAN! | ||
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zealotz55
United States229 Posts
On September 12 2010 23:05 Jameser wrote: burning the quran on 9/11 at ground zero :S Its too bad we can't shoot the people who do this kind of shit on sight the same way we shoot terrorists with their fingers on the trigger of a roadside bomb in Iraq or Afghanistan... They are both directly bolstering al-qaeda, the former much more than the latter. | ||
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Zealotdriver
United States1557 Posts
On September 12 2010 22:45 Keyser wrote: If the mosque/community center was actually at Ground Zero they may have had a legit case, if only because it's inapproriate to raise a building to worship the very same god whose name thousands of people got killed in right where they died. It would be like turning Auschwitz into a neo-nazi clubhouse. But it isn't. As others have already said, it is just in the vicinity of Ground Zero. Now, I am the first to stray away from political correctness and say that islam is garbage we'd be better off without(other religions as well, but todays Islam is actually particularly bad for a variety of reasons), but there is freedom of religion for a reason, and in this particular case the good arguments have been tossed aside in favor of thinly veiled racism. Essentially what is going on here is that a lot of people don't see the difference between extremist muslims and regular muslims. Of course, while much of this is ignorance and western propaganda, much of the fault here lies with prominent extremist muslims who are doing an even better job than Bush ever did at portraying every muslim as part of his extremist movement, as well as regular muslim groupings who so often fail to distance themselves from extreme acts. God fucking dammit, another trash poster came in without reading the thread and spouted this ignorant fucking bullshit again. Your analogy: Nazis : Neo-Nazis :: Al Queda : Imam Rauf. Like I said before, it's a god damn miracle that morons like you can tie your own shoes. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On September 13 2010 02:08 zealotz55 wrote: Its too bad we can't shoot the people who do this kind of shit on sight the same way we shoot terrorists with their fingers on the trigger of a roadside bomb in Iraq or Afghanistan... They are both directly bolstering al-qaeda, the former much more than the latter. Who gives a crap about bolstering Al Qaeda when our government is executing citizens in the streets in cold blood? | ||
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TOloseGT
United States1145 Posts
On September 12 2010 23:05 Jameser wrote: burning the quran on 9/11 at ground zero :S Anyone call a jihad on this guy yet? Haha. | ||
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AppleTart
United States1261 Posts
On September 12 2010 21:31 Demarini wrote: That's the immaturity that I'm talking about. You honestly can not see the enormous impact 9/11 had, and was. How. How can't you see that 9/11 was the biggest moment in this country since Pearl Harbor, the first attack on US soil since that day. It hurts, it should hurt every time you think of it, you should cringe. I was 10, I still understoond how big of a day that was and how awful it is that thousands of people's lives were taken. You say I'm insensitive. How the fuck aren't they insensitive? Yes, I know they aren't extremists, I know they probably aren't bad people, but it doesn't change the fact that they very well know what they're doing by building a mosque at ground zero. The country is a pretty big place, new york is a pretty big place, hell, new york city is a pretty god damn big place. There are multiple other locations that they could build that, yet they choose that. They know exactly what they're doing, and I don't like it. I don't see the good in a person's soul when they're intentionally bringing bad memories to others. I can't stress it enough that this Imam knows exactly what he's doing. They are doing something only because you choose to be offended. You just said they are probably good people and stuff and don't realize what they could be causing. Well good, they shouldn't because there is no logical basis behind stopping the community center from being built. They aren't intentionally bringing bad memories, people just irrational. Like Jibbs said, the real problem is the tourist who go to ground zero for pure tourism. I can't believe that's a tourist site but its really unbelievable. Just because you are offended by something does not mean that what other people do is bad or unjustified. If we kept going by our emotions or feeling all the time the world would be chaotic. So keep your feelings to yourself, this center is going to be built. | ||
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NovaTheFeared
United States7224 Posts
On September 13 2010 02:08 zealotz55 wrote: Its too bad we can't shoot the people who do this kind of shit on sight the same way we shoot terrorists with their fingers on the trigger of a roadside bomb in Iraq or Afghanistan... They are both directly bolstering al-qaeda, the former much more than the latter. I agree, political protesters ought to be shot or perhaps jailed for life. | ||
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
On September 13 2010 02:44 NovaTheFeared wrote: I agree, political protesters ought to be shot or perhaps jailed for life. Political protesters, as in, Civil Rights era KKK political protesters. | ||
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dudeman001
United States2412 Posts
On September 12 2010 23:05 Jameser wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRcUdruhgyw&skipcontrinter=1 burning the quran on 9/11 at ground zero :S Look at him walking along acting like a badass. Exactly what's wrong with people against the Ground Zero community center. Cycles of hatred and ignorance have to end eventually, let's start working towards ending the hate towards Muslims now. | ||
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Floophead_III
United States1832 Posts
On September 13 2010 03:18 dudeman001 wrote: Look at him walking along acting like a badass. Exactly what's wrong with people against the Ground Zero community center. Cycles of hatred and ignorance have to end eventually, let's start working towards ending the hate towards Muslims now. Usually cycles of hate end when one side completely obliterates, conquers, and assimilates another, OR when a common enemy arises. Radical Islam will never have a common enemy to us (discounting space aliens coming and attacking us or something ridiculously outlandish like that). You realize we're in an ideological war right now? This is a war that the other side will not give up, EVER. The real world doesn't work in your idealogical fairy tale way. There are crazy fuckers out there who want to kill every man woman and child in this country. We can't turn the other cheek to that. Now as I've said before, I just think this mosque is in bad taste. Trying to push it forward is in bad taste. Just move the location of the damn thing and respect the lives of over 3000 people who died to an ideology which, while it might not be the same as those building the mosque, is certainly related. People overreact with ignorance and hatred from both sides, but really, these guys could see this coming a mile away - they just like the attention. Now please, don't get me wrong here. I don't hate muslims. I don't really know many, but I have one friend who is a muslim from Egypt. He's a regular guy and honestly I could care less about what his religious beliefs are. It doesn't matter. I DO hate radical Islam (which, I might point out, is actually the "true" form of Islam, and non-radicals just don't follow half of the Quran.) Yes, radical Christianity is full of crazy wackos who are just as violent and dangerous. But, radical Islam exists in entire countries, and is a much greater organized threat to our free society. Any ideology that demands we are destroyed in a holy crusade - well that's worth hating isn't it? So all you hippies out there who believe in tolerance and kindness and all that stuff - how will you feel when Ahmed Muhammad detonates himself in your mall, ripping your family into pieces in a second, leaving you maimed and disfigured forever? This is what they want to do to us. How can you not hate that and be a sensible human being? | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
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Armut
Turkey141 Posts
On September 13 2010 03:53 Floophead_III wrote: Usually cycles of hate end when one side completely obliterates, conquers, and assimilates another, OR when a common enemy arises. Radical Islam will never have a common enemy to us (discounting space aliens coming and attacking us or something ridiculously outlandish like that). You realize we're in an ideological war right now? This is a war that the other side will not give up, EVER. The real world doesn't work in your idealogical fairy tale way. There are crazy fuckers out there who want to kill every man woman and child in this country. We can't turn the other cheek to that. Now as I've said before, I just think this mosque is in bad taste. Trying to push it forward is in bad taste. Just move the location of the damn thing and respect the lives of over 3000 people who died to an ideology which, while it might not be the same as those building the mosque, is certainly related. People overreact with ignorance and hatred from both sides, but really, these guys could see this coming a mile away - they just like the attention. Now please, don't get me wrong here. I don't hate muslims. I don't really know many, but I have one friend who is a muslim from Egypt. He's a regular guy and honestly I could care less about what his religious beliefs are. It doesn't matter. I DO hate radical Islam (which, I might point out, is actually the "true" form of Islam, and non-radicals just don't follow half of the Quran.) Yes, radical Christianity is full of crazy wackos who are just as violent and dangerous. But, radical Islam exists in entire countries, and is a much greater organized threat to our free society. Any ideology that demands we are destroyed in a holy crusade - well that's worth hating isn't it? So all you hippies out there who believe in tolerance and kindness and all that stuff - how will you feel when Ahmed Muhammad detonates himself in your mall, ripping your family into pieces in a second, leaving you maimed and disfigured forever? This is what they want to do to us. How can you not hate that and be a sensible human being? shall we start talking about carpet bombing of Baghdat, 2 million CIVILIAN deaths (600.000 women, 400.000 children) in Iraq, shall we start talking about collars around naked prisoners? or cold water torture to those people in Ebu Garib? Shall we start talking about Guantanamo? Should I point out the mother of my Iraqi friend who had been raped by US troops? or his father who got shot because he opened his door a few minutes late to the US troops? I am not going to continue but I know you wont get the point anyways. | ||
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FromEarthWithLove
United Kingdom8 Posts
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Half
United States2554 Posts
On September 13 2010 03:53 Floophead_III wrote:radical Islam will never have a common enemy to us (discounting space aliens coming and attacking us or something ridiculously outlandish like that). You realize we're in an ideological war right now? This is a war that the other side will not give up, EVER. You can't be so terribly Naive to think this is about "idealogical differences" right? Yeah, so were the crusades amirite? Radical islam doesn't exist. Radical Islam is just what we call the tools Al'Quada, the Taliban, etc, uses the pressure millions of starving, poor, and desperate people into join there ranks to protect there economic interests in the Opium trade, weapons trade, and the oil market. . Likewise, the the so called "war on terrorism" is just a tool the U.S government uses to wage economic wars for a stable base of power in the middle east and other economic interests tied to oil supplies. (Often as much about increasing rarity then decreasing it). And everyone else? All casualties. From the Suicide bombers who kill themselves to vindicate themselves admist a deadend environment where they have no future, often pressured to do so by social harassment or humiliation rape, to the thousand of American lives lost 9/11, to the millions of Iraqi civilian dead, and the thousands of U.S soldiers who died bravely "for there country", whatever the fuck that means, or just another paycheck to get themselves out of there posturban ghettos. And that isn't to say you shouldn't shoot them if they're about to blow themselves up on you or anything. But to hate, and to believe in these false values put in your hearts to prejure you to go on "ideological wars" for someone else pocket, well, that just about the worst thing you could do. tl;dr Life sucks if your not in power, so have a little bit of empathy for the poor son of a bitches on the other side. | ||
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dudeman001
United States2412 Posts
On September 13 2010 03:53 Floophead_III wrote: + Show Spoiler + Usually cycles of hate end when one side completely obliterates, conquers, and assimilates another, OR when a common enemy arises. Radical Islam will never have a common enemy to us (discounting space aliens coming and attacking us or something ridiculously outlandish like that). You realize we're in an ideological war right now? This is a war that the other side will not give up, EVER. The real world doesn't work in your idealogical fairy tale way. There are crazy fuckers out there who want to kill every man woman and child in this country. We can't turn the other cheek to that. Now as I've said before, I just think this mosque is in bad taste. Trying to push it forward is in bad taste. Just move the location of the damn thing and respect the lives of over 3000 people who died to an ideology which, while it might not be the same as those building the mosque, is certainly related. People overreact with ignorance and hatred from both sides, but really, these guys could see this coming a mile away - they just like the attention. Now please, don't get me wrong here. I don't hate muslims. I don't really know many, but I have one friend who is a muslim from Egypt. He's a regular guy and honestly I could care less about what his religious beliefs are. It doesn't matter. I DO hate radical Islam (which, I might point out, is actually the "true" form of Islam, and non-radicals just don't follow half of the Quran.) Yes, radical Christianity is full of crazy wackos who are just as violent and dangerous. But, radical Islam exists in entire countries, and is a much greater organized threat to our free society. Any ideology that demands we are destroyed in a holy crusade - well that's worth hating isn't it? So all you hippies out there who believe in tolerance and kindness and all that stuff - how will you feel when Ahmed Muhammad detonates himself in your mall, ripping your family into pieces in a second, leaving you maimed and disfigured forever? This is what they want to do to us. How can you not hate that and be a sensible human being? I know extremist Muslims exist that want nothing more than to see every American die. But it doesn't have to be a war. Otherwise, we're in a kill them all before they kill us kind of situation. I'm not talking about fairy tale idealogy. The main example I was thinking of (but didn't mention) was the progressive movement against segregation of black people in America. It used to be "common knowledge" black people were slaves, that's just what it was. You can debate equality existing nowadays, but it's improved tremendously from what it used to be. The world can't move forward if we keep hatred in our hearts. Yeah, that sounds like a completely hippie + Show Spoiler + pussy | ||
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PanN
United States2828 Posts
On September 13 2010 04:22 FromEarthWithLove wrote: Can't we just nuke the middle east already? It's just sand and camel shit anyway. No, and I hope you get nuked. It's just a bad poster with a misleading name. | ||
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