EPTViews on construction of Mosque at Ground Zero - Page 2
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gamapg
Philippines189 Posts
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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Kimaker
United States2131 Posts
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wadadde
270 Posts
On August 23 2010 23:46 keV. wrote: So, as a Pat Condell fan, I was initially against this project. Muslim's have a long history of constructing mosques at 'places of victory.' The name "Cordoba House" (recently changed to "Park51") really doesn't help their point in anyway. After looking at the history of the project leader: Imam Rauf, he has been a very vocal moderate Muslim his entire life. Dating back to speaking at a Daniel Pearl memorial in which he said: Hearing him say something like this, he is not someone we want to marginalize (like the right is currently doing). After seeing this I immediately changed my point of view. Islamification is something American's should definitely be conscious of, but this isn't one of the times to act. I'd say barbarification is something to worry about. The West already has plenty and we don't need an influx of more of it. I wish Condell and others who are genuinly concerned about religion wouldn't use selective labeling to try to beat the stupidity out of 'us'. Religion is only one of the ways in which people can be mobilized to hold retrograde beliefs and collectively support atrocities. It may sound kind of cheesy, but we're not going to insult and demonize our way to freedom from the crazies. A simple adherence to universal rights and some basic honest will go a long way. | ||
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Biochemist
United States1008 Posts
New York is so heavily unionized that I expect workers to go on strike rather than build it, and if they are somehow forced to do the labor it'll end up being built with every single I-beam coated in pigs blood. Only way it's getting built is if we import labor from Bangladesh or something to get it done. | ||
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crayhasissues
United States682 Posts
On August 23 2010 23:55 Dr.Lettuce wrote: yeah totally man, these fools still believe we landed on the moon. They still believe the holocaust actually happened. Fuck these clueless suckers man, they don't know about the jews running the world or about the illuminati. You should be blessed you worked it all out man. Now lets go smoke some weed and watch zeitgeist. I hope you aren't serious. 9/11 Truthers crack me up. Anyways, back to the topic. From what I heard of the radio, the reason people were mad was because they want to allow the mosque to be built, but not a Greek Orthodox church. If this is true, I'm totally against it. If what I stated above ends up happening, I'm going to try to build a megachurch in Mecca. | ||
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MorningMusume11
United States3490 Posts
On August 24 2010 00:07 Scruffy wrote: I hope you aren't serious. 9/11 Truthers crack me up. Anyways, back to the topic. From what I heard of the radio, the reason people were mad was because they want to allow the mosque to be built, but not a Greek Orthodox church. If this is true, I'm totally against it. If what I stated above ends up happening, I'm going to try to build a megachurch in Mecca. That could be a problem... | ||
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
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Biochemist
United States1008 Posts
On August 24 2010 00:11 hifriend wrote: It's just saddening how this somehow managed to stir controversy in the U.S... It's expected. The average American still knows FAR less about Islam than just about anyone else. | ||
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
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Dugrok
Canada377 Posts
Telling the Muslims that they cannot build their community center in proximity to Ground Zero is just treating them like lesser citizens. | ||
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UnexcitedZealot
United States17 Posts
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catamorphist
United States297 Posts
On August 24 2010 00:07 Scruffy wrote: I hope you aren't serious. 9/11 Truthers crack me up. Anyways, back to the topic. From what I heard of the radio, the reason people were mad was because they want to allow the mosque to be built, but not a Greek Orthodox church. If this is true, I'm totally against it. If what I stated above ends up happening, I'm going to try to build a megachurch in Mecca. Well, if that's true, I'm not against the mosque; I'm for the Orthodox church! Two wrongs hardly make a right. And as for building a church in Mecca, I'm for that too, but Saudi Arabia doesn't claim to have freedom of religion. The U.S. does. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32149 Posts
This gets denied then it opens the door for future denials based on someone's faith... a predominantly Jewish community blocking out a church, or stuff of the sort. Instead of all the stupid shit that's getting tossed around (Republican cries of TERRORISTS IN OUR BACK YARD!!) are just fanning the flames. Politicians need to find a less hostile way to make these people realize the emotional impact of their decision. | ||
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Bosu
United States3247 Posts
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Craton
United States17291 Posts
On August 23 2010 23:22 Ixas wrote: It serves as a painful reminder of the past for those who are affected, its not about discrimination but more of respect for the victims. Radicals that happened to be Muslim killed those people. Do we prevent Churches from being made if a radical Christian kills people? Synagogues? This all comes down to general ignorance of the masses. So many people don't know how to distinguish Terrorists, Middle-Eastern people, and Muslims. They think an affiliation with one automatically affiliates you with all of them. It's stupid, just as the people opposing this are. | ||
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MorningMusume11
United States3490 Posts
On August 24 2010 00:07 Scruffy wrote: I hope you aren't serious. 9/11 Truthers crack me up. Anyways, back to the topic. From what I heard of the radio, the reason people were mad was because they want to allow the mosque to be built, but not a Greek Orthodox church. If this is true, I'm totally against it. If what I stated above ends up happening, I'm going to try to build a megachurch in Mecca. Are you talking about THIS church? http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/19/nyregion/19church.html | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On August 23 2010 23:22 Ixas wrote: It serves as a painful reminder of the past for those who are affected, its not about discrimination but more of respect for the victims. For this reason, I would completely agree that building a monument to Al'Qaeda, or an Al'Qaeda recruitment center in close proximity to where the Twin Towers used to be would be infinitely disrespectful. However, Islam and muslims =/= Al'Qaeda. By the same token, I will never oppose the construction of a Christian church on the grounds that it is disrespectful to the victims of the Inquisition. I can understand if you oppose the construction of that Mosque. However, opposing it because of 9/11 is just not a valid reason; retaliating against a culture and religion just because a terrorist group falsely claims to represent them is stupid. | ||
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MoltkeWarding
5195 Posts
Anyway, we have to be careful lest we become like the American congress or the European commission, which freely opines over all matters under the heavens and above it too. | ||
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
On August 24 2010 00:02 NukeTheBunnys wrote: they don't want it because they are racist fucks that are afraid of brown people. We're the racist fucks? You can't even gather the respect to refer to them as "Arabs"? Not all Muslims are "brown people" jackass. I know several white Muslims. Also, one of my issues is the funding for this. Last I knew, there was still a question mark about where something like $100M came from to fund this thing, and the Imam refuses to recognize Hamas as a terrorist organization (this being my personal belief). I'm fine with an Islamic cultural center being there. I'm not ok with one that could have terrorist ties, which I refuse to disassociate with thos until something to prove that theory wrong comes along. | ||
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