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FoieGras
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada270 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-05 23:38:02
September 05 2010 23:36 GMT
#41
On September 06 2010 08:22 Darpa wrote:
So I have an economics degree, play diamond in SC2, and was C- on ICCUP, so you think I should take up poker? franky while, I know the rules and have played a handfull of times, I dont see myself being good it. Is there a good place to learn the basics and get a feel for Online poker before you get owned on the low bet tables? lol

Just grind 1c/2c micros and go to poker forums like 2+2, flopturnriver, liquidpoker, etc. and learn from there. If you have the money, you can go and watch coaching videos from deuces cracked, card runners, bluefire poker etc.

Although the games are similar in that they're games of incomplete information, I think that a big factor in why sc, chess, or other strategy gamers become good at poker is the mentality we have. The thing about people who get decent at starcraft is that we're willing to sit down, study the game, and grind till we get things right. In both games, if you're not willing to grind, then the game isn't really for you. Gamers need that passion and curiosity to drive them to work hard at the game. The same thing is required for you to get good at poker or many other things in life. Sure there's natural talent involved, but you also need good work ethic since hard work > talent.
nucky
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada43 Posts
September 05 2010 23:41 GMT
#42
On September 06 2010 08:36 FoieGras wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 08:22 Darpa wrote:
So I have an economics degree, play diamond in SC2, and was C- on ICCUP, so you think I should take up poker? franky while, I know the rules and have played a handfull of times, I dont see myself being good it. Is there a good place to learn the basics and get a feel for Online poker before you get owned on the low bet tables? lol

Just grind 1c/2c micros and go to poker forums like 2+2, flopturnriver, liquidpoker, etc. and learn from there. If you have the money, you can go and watch coaching videos from deuces cracked, card runners, bluefire poker etc.

Although the games are similar in that they're games of incomplete information, I think that a big factor in why sc, chess, or other strategy gamers become good at poker is the mentality we have. The thing about people who get decent at starcraft is that we're willing to sit down, study the game, and grind till we get things right. In both games, if you're not willing to grind, then the game isn't really for you. Gamers need that passion and curiosity to drive them to work hard at the game. The same thing is required for you to get good at poker or many other things in life. Sure there's natural talent involved, but you also need good work ethic since hard work > talent.



THIS.
gyth
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
657 Posts
September 05 2010 23:55 GMT
#43
I have a pet theory that the hole-cam set-back pro-esports a decade. (everywhere but Korea)
The poker boom took away potential gamers and sucked up sponsorship money.
The plural of anecdote is not data.
Sorkoas
Profile Joined May 2010
549 Posts
September 06 2010 00:01 GMT
#44
I like to compare poker with SC how people obsess over their opening builds in SC, doing everything to make it perfect, just how you work over and over on your preflop ranges in poker as in which hands you play and how. Then when you've made it through the opening part there's so many more options to make based on how you want to continue the match and based on what your opponent does. It's pretty much the same way of thinking and approach when playing SC and poker. There's also the "grind" part to it (a physical part) and being able to handle downswings (mental part). Both games are surprisingly similar in what you need to be able to become succesful at it.
nucky
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada43 Posts
September 06 2010 00:09 GMT
#45
read this

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/starcraft-lot-like-poker-450512/
TuElite
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2123 Posts
September 06 2010 00:26 GMT
#46
On September 06 2010 08:55 gyth wrote:
I have a pet theory that the hole-cam set-back pro-esports a decade. (everywhere but Korea)
The poker boom took away potential gamers and sucked up sponsorship money.


Interesting theory. I personally don't think the demographic is the same though. Poker is probably 17-60 years old. While esports is a lot younger I'd say 14-25 years old.

If anything I think Poker has injected money into esports (PokerStrategy sponsoring the TSL, Hevhad Khan backing/Sponsoring fighting games tournaments and big money matches, Fatal1ty being sponsored by Full Tilt Poker, etc.) Rekrul wanted to start a poker training site aimed at gamers and I'm quite sure we'll see more of these kinds of business ventures pretty soon. Could be highly profitable for both worlds.
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m4gdelen4
Profile Joined October 2008
United States416 Posts
September 06 2010 00:33 GMT
#47
Poker is a universal thing, really. I'm not sure there could be said that there is a strong connection, or that there are strong parallels between Starcraft and poker (besides being smart), or if they exist, that they are even that unique. Magic: the Gathering players have succeeded in poker too. Like somebody above said, you can make a lot more in poker than in games. Poker is where the money is at.
it does to blue what blue does to you
SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
September 06 2010 00:41 GMT
#48
At first I was like "lol IdrA at poker?" but then I remembered how ElkY said in an interview he listens to The Gladiator theme while smashing his keyboards to bad beats in a very old interview.
I want to fuck Soulkey with a Zelderan.
Saturnize
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States2473 Posts
September 06 2010 01:36 GMT
#49
On September 06 2010 09:09 nucky wrote:
read this

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/starcraft-lot-like-poker-450512/


rofl, thanks for the laugh
"Time to put the mustard on the hotdog. -_-"
The_Divisor
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia7 Posts
September 06 2010 01:54 GMT
#50
I was reading about a few gamers that made livings from online poker because they used their "micro" to play 10-25 tables at a time. I think there were 3 or 4 WoW players that did/do that.
nucky
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada43 Posts
September 06 2010 02:09 GMT
#51
http://cakepoker.com/blog/En/post/Major-Cheating-Scandal-Rocks-Starcraft-Community-333.aspx
BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
September 06 2010 02:19 GMT
#52
was one of the guys that started poker back when rekrul posted his shady korean backroom poker storys and when LP was launched.

got pretty fast into it and played poker for a "living"/extra money for some years. nothing major just grinding nl50/100 mainly. made some thousands $ in that time of the initial 5$ i got for free from pokerstrategy.de.

if youre good at broodwar you most likely are a atlest semi smart person with enough dedication and focus. with those feats many have a rather easy time getting into poker (atleast compared to random dudes). imo thats all there is to it outside of our old bw heros all getting into it .
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deathgod6
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States5064 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-06 02:59:37
September 06 2010 02:59 GMT
#53
"If only there was a site for people who played starcraft and poker competitively...

Hell, maybe a whole community! Perhaps they'd call it liquidpoker.net? Maybe some day."

- mittens

a post from
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/starcraft-lot-like-poker-450512/

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Hail Eris
Profile Joined May 2010
United States20 Posts
September 06 2010 08:45 GMT
#54
Idk why starcraft is like poker, but the strategy boards on this forum remind a lot of the strategy boards on 2p2, and the mindset of the people posting on them seems pretty similar (except all the imbalance talk - omg this guy is 3betting me every hand, that is so imbalanced!). Also they are the only two games that I've gotten into with the same level of intensity. I think it has something to do with the fact that they are games with a lot of depth and are fun to think about as well as to play, so the depth is quickly probed and the game evolves in interesting ways.
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
September 06 2010 10:58 GMT
#55
We probably don't hear about all the SC players who try out and poker and don't make it. It's possible there are just as many who don't do well.
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-06 11:37:54
September 06 2010 10:59 GMT
#56
Just a quick note, I wouldn't get into poker to make money at all anymore if you are new. The difficulty of the games just doesn't make it a good investment: find something more useful for your time. If you want to make a ton of money, study hard and go to med school or law school or spend your time working on your own business. Don't try to get into poker to make money: it is no longer anywhere near a good choice. If you enjoy the game, though, play it.
Redunzl
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
862 Posts
September 06 2010 11:11 GMT
#57
because well placed bets are similar to well-made timing pushes. both are based on position and scouting info and both force your opponent to react one way or another.
Alexstrasas
Profile Joined August 2010
302 Posts
September 06 2010 11:32 GMT
#58
Theres is a big difference between both.

Do you know how Pros usualy spam in the start of the game? You cant spam in poker....EVER if you have ADD like that your fucked.
pyrogenetix
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
China5098 Posts
September 06 2010 18:58 GMT
#59
poker seems more like chance... even if you make a good call he can get some totally lucky thing on the turn and/or the river but in sc if you make a good decision like drag all your scvs vs a 13nex you will win, granted you have the micro and don't make a stupid mistake.

poker to me is like choosing a build order, how much money to throw into the round now and then and hope that your opponent doesn't make the straight draw or whatever.

sc is more like, you know what to do and you can adjust your play accordingly all the time and what happens is exactly a result of what you and your opponent did, not some probability calculation.
Yea that looks just like Kang Min... amazing game sense... and uses mind games well, but has the micro of a washed up progamer.
oogles
Profile Joined August 2010
United States29 Posts
September 06 2010 21:07 GMT
#60
In online poker, a lot of people do some insane multi-tabling (play 10, 20, 30 games at at time). This requires a lot of multi-tasking and APM actually. It's a small detail but I think they are related skills.
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