Reagan's Dead - Page 5

On June 05 2004 16:27 Liquid`Drone wrote:
life goes on

but not for him lololol

=(

On June 05 2004 22:57 Zerius wrote:


hahahaha

On June 05 2004 19:01 x[ReaPeR]x wrote:
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What about...

Martin Van Buren
Zachary Taylor
Franklin Pierce
James Buchannan
Andrew Johnson
Ulysses S. Grant
Rutherford B. Hayes
Benjamin Harrison
Warren G. Harding
Herbert Hoover
Lyndon B. Johnson
Jimmy Carter
Bill Clinton

All far worse Presidents than Reagan and George W. Bush.

On June 05 2004 23:02 Dave307 wrote:


zach taylor actually did good during the reconstruction on the south in the civil war, dont fuck with him there =[

On June 05 2004 22:45 naventus wrote:
And about the comparison's to Hitler...

I guess Germans can't say anything bad about him right just like how we can't say anything bad about our leaders?

On June 05 2004 23:10 STIMEY d okgm fish wrote:
conservatives apparently can't grasp the idea of an extreme example making a point. i'm not surprised

On June 05 2004 23:36 TeCh)PsylO wrote:
I wonder what this is distracting us from.

On June 05 2004 23:40 TeCh)PsylO wrote:
Don't be a fool.

On June 05 2004 22:43 naventus wrote:
Did any of you conservatives listen to his final speech:

"The past few days when I've been at that window upstairs, I've thought a bit of the `shining city upon a hill.' The phrase comes from John Winthrop, who wrote it to describe the America he imagined. What he imagined was important because he was an early Pilgrim, an early freedom man. He journeyed here on what today we'd call a little wooden boat; and like the other Pilgrims, he was looking for a home that would be free. I've spoken of the shining city all my political life, but I don't know if I ever quite communicated what I saw when I said it. But in my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still."

Hey guys! It's fine to contort the truth. Yea! Because like Excalibur said, it's a mark of a good communicator right? Because we can understand watered down lies, we should accept them, right?

You want to know what's wrong:

1) Reagan talks about learning American history earlier on in the speech, but contradicts it here with his warped version of history.
2) Winthrop = Puritan not Pilgrim. No big deal, small clarification.
3) "City on a Hill" not about America, but about religion.
4) Puritans were some of the most close-minded and intolerant people. Fuck open gates for everyone.

This not an attack on Reagan, though I dislike him, but an attack on Excalibur's point about Reagan's "masterful communication skillz".

On June 05 2004 23:18 STIMEY d okgm fish wrote:
the dilema is whether we should keep less than positive things about someone to ourselves on the day someone died. people who like reagan think this is a great idea right now. but would they like this principle when applied to other people, such as bill clinton or hitler? no, they would not. it's a double standard.

no one is going to say "let's only say good things about this person since they died" about someone that they extremely dislike. the real disagreement here is that some people think reagan is great and don't want to hear anything less than positive about him. it's just like a conservative to ask the "other side" to be silenced using a flawed argument that they would detest when used against them in a similar situation.