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On July 26 2010 14:58 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2010 13:44 Romantic wrote:On July 26 2010 13:33 Myles wrote:On July 26 2010 12:55 Romantic wrote:On July 26 2010 12:53 Sadist wrote:On July 26 2010 12:51 Romantic wrote:On July 26 2010 12:48 Sadist wrote:On July 26 2010 12:46 Romantic wrote:On July 26 2010 12:43 Sadist wrote:On July 26 2010 12:25 javy925 wrote:
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The invasion was approved based on incorrect information.
This "preemptive strike" nonsense really needs to stop. America will get invaded unless we attack? LOL, by who? We don't need anyone to protect us and we don't need to protect anybody else. You've been fooled into thinking that we need to attack them before we get attacked. All this has accomplished is the needless loss of thousands of soldiers and hundreds of thousands of civilian causalities. These civilians who lost family members because "people die and war sucks" will, in turn, channel their rage and anger towards Americans because of their presence in their country.
Afghanistan wasnt invaded on incorrect information. That was Iraq ;d Nobody really had a problem at all with the US going into Afghanistan after 9/11. Iraq on the other hand...... I've got a problem with both *crosses arms* After the fact ya, basically Iraq seemed to have fucked everything  Still doesnt change the fact that Afghanistan was completely legitimate and Iraq was the troll in the mix Yeah, like I said, lets hope the Italian mafia don't blow up a building. If Italy's government was protecting them there would be issues, when you say Italian Mafia I hope you mean actual italians from italy. Taliban offered to give up Bin Laden for trial but Bush didn't want a trial. Government protection has little to do with the situation After Pakistand rejected to take Bin Laden for a international tribunal under Isamic Law, the Taliban offered to put in in their own Islamic Trial if we provided evidence. They should have just handed him over and let the international tribunal decide the evidence. IIRC they offered to send him to a third party nation even without evidence (which they demanded first along with an Islamic court). Might be wrong on that one. We'll never know because no effort was ever made by the US side to do anything but nail him with a missile. I don't think that's a fair assessment at all. Neither of us know what went on in telephone calls and behind closed doors.
Granted. Still, given Bush's history of making demands and then refusing any alternatives (at least publicly) I would very lightly assume the same thing happened.
Also, we could have started here: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c107:H.R. 3076:_blank
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On July 26 2010 10:11 Zeburial wrote:
I hate war... so freaking much. :'< makes me all sad inside.
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This was a crazy reveal... gonna rock the US this week.
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On July 26 2010 09:11 RaiderRob wrote:
Crazy conspiracy theory
The US government allowed these documents to be leaked to turn people more against the war, and mostly the conservative publications and Republican politicians. I'm pretty sure Obama wants to end this war ever since he set foot in the Oval Office but doing so from the getgo would make him look weak and give his opponents an easy target. But if he can get his opponents calling for an end to it, it will make it easy for him to pull out with little to no political damage taken.
And also to shut down the internet. Because the person who leaked these documents couldn't have done it if the government controlled the internet.
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has anyone read anything interesting in the documents yet
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On July 26 2010 14:56 Romantic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2010 14:45 AttackZerg wrote:
Wow.
Someone is going to input all of this data into video format day by day and year by year and it will be the most sad thing I'll ever seen.
My girlfriend is a former solider who served in the afghan and iraq wars.
She immediately showed me an event in this damn thing.
Then a few years later, someone will get the same files from iraq and we will no longer be a super power =(.
Dang america we suck =(. Vietnam footage is pretty freakin' sad. I don't think a modern war can top that one.
It was said Vietnam was lost because of that footage after Vietnam i think was when the military started to make rules for the press, it's strange how people double take when they finally get the consequences to a war.
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On July 26 2010 15:25 b_unnies wrote:
has anyone read anything interesting in the documents yet
Ya they kill themselves a lot.
I read like 2 things where 1 terrorist (lack of better word) kills 90 ppl all non-military.
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Holy fuck. This is absolutely insane.
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On July 26 2010 15:38 Jawa~ wrote:
Holy fuck. This is absolutely insane.
Not too surprising, it's been barely looked over and it's mostly just low level documents, things that the US rather not highlight about a war that has gone on much longer then expected. Most of it seems to be not really secret just more of a hush hush subject, like Friendly Fire and Collateral dmg.
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On July 26 2010 09:11 RaiderRob wrote:
Crazy conspiracy theory
The US government allowed these documents to be leaked to turn people more against the war, and mostly the conservative publications and Republican politicians. I'm pretty sure Obama wants to end this war ever since he set foot in the Oval Office but doing so from the getgo would make him look weak and give his opponents an easy target. But if he can get his opponents calling for an end to it, it will make it easy for him to pull out with little to no political damage taken.
Thinking the same thing. I Say we drop some napalm and stop wasting blood and gold in that PoS.
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Russian Federation410 Posts
Here's an example of a report from the file, one out of ~100k reports:
WHEN: 01 2002D DEC 09
WHO: FOX 2/2
WHERE:41R PQ 0973 2385 1.3 KM NORTH OF OP NORTH
WHAT: MEDEVAC
EVENT: WHILE CONDUCTING A DISMOUNTED SECURITY PATROL, FOX 2/2 STRUCK AN IED RESULTING IN (1) US WIA. FOX 2/2 REQUESTED A URGENT MEDEVAC FOR (1) MARINE WHO SUFFERED LACERATIONS TO HIS UPPER AND LOWER LEGS IN AN IED BLAST. THE CASUALTY WAS MEDEVAC'D TO DWYER STP FOR TREATMENT WHERE HE LATER DOW'S.
EOD DETERMINED THE IED CONSISTED OF (1) 35-40 LBS YELLOW JUG OF HME, A LOW METALLIC PRESSURE STRIP AND A UNKNOWN POWER SOURCE.
THE UNIT IS CURRENTLY TRYING TO LOCATE THE MARINES WEAPON.
uPDATE: 10 DEC 09, UNIT CANNOT LOCATE WEAPON.
BDA: (1) US DOW
ISAF # 12-0094 (CLOSED)
MEDEVAC# 12-01K (COMPLETE)
IED - Improvised Explosive Device
WIA - Wounded in Action
DOW - Died of Wounds
All reports also include tables and google map location pinpoint.
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JUNE 17, 2007 | PAKTIKA PROVINCE INCIDENT REPORT: Botched Night Raid
Shortly after five American rockets destroyed a compound in Paktika Province, helicopter-borne commandos from Task Force 373 — a classified Special Operations unit of Army Delta Force operatives and members of the Navy Seals — arrived to finish the job.
The mission was to capture or kill Abu Laith al-Libi, a top commander for Al Qaeda, who was believed to be hiding at the scene of the strike.
But Mr. Libi was not there. Instead, the Special Operations troops found a group of men suspected of being militants and their children. Seven of the children had been killed by the rocket attack.
Some of the men tried to flee the Americans, and six were quickly killed by encircling helicopters. After the rest were taken as detainees, the commandos found one child still alive in the rubble, and performed CPR for 20 minutes.
Word of the attack spread a wave of anger across the region, forcing the local governor to meet with village elders to defuse the situation.
American military officials drew up a list of “talking points” for the governor, pointing out that the target had been a senior Qaeda commander, that there had been no indications that women and children would be present and that a nearby mosque had not been damaged.
After the meeting, the governor reported that local residents were in shock, but that he had “pressed the Talking Points.” He even “added a few of his own that followed in line with our current story.”
The attack was caused by the “presence of hoodlums,” the governor told the people. It was a tragedy that children had been killed, he said, but “it could have been prevented had the people exposed the presence of insurgents in the area.”
He promised that the families would be compensated for their loss.
Mr. Libi was killed the following year by a C.I.A. drone strike.
Source
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United States22883 Posts
Ok, now the shit storm may commence. >.>
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APRIL 6, 2008 | NURISTAN PROVINCE Incident Report: A Raging Firefight
As they scrambled up the rocks toward a cluster of mud compounds perched high over the remote Shok Valley, a small group of American Green Berets and Afghan troops, known as Task Force Bushmaster, were confronted with a hail of gunfire from inside the insurgent stronghold.
They were there to capture senior members of the Hezb-e-Islami Gulbuddin militant group, part of a mission that the military had dubbed Operation Commando Wrath.
But what they soon discovered on that remote, snowy hilltop was that they were vastly outnumbered by a militant force of hundreds of fighters. Reinforcements were hours away.
A firefight raged for nearly seven hours, with sniper fire pinning down the Green Berets on a 60-foot rock ledge for much of that time.
Casualties mounted. By midmorning, nearly half of the Americans were wounded, but the militants directed their gunfire on the arriving medevac helicopters, preventing them from landing.
“TF Bushmaster reports they are combat ineffective and request reinforcement at this time.”
For a time, radio contact was lost.
Air Force jets arrived at the scene and began pummeling the compounds with 2,000-pound bombs, but the militants continued to advance down the mountain toward the pinned-down group.
The task force reported that there were “ 50-100 insurgents moving to reinforce against Bushmaster elements from the SW.”
Carrying wounded Americans shot in the pelvis, arm and legs — as well as two dead Afghans — the group made its way down toward the valley floor. Eventually, the helicopters were able to arrive to evacuate the dead and wounded.
Ten members of the Green Berets would receive Silver Stars for their actions during the battle, the highest number given to Special Forces soldiers for a single battle since the Vietnam War. By Army estimates, 150 to 200 militants were killed in the battle.
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Russian Federation410 Posts
A good one:
A COY 3 RIFLES w/ 3/3/205 KDK reported that, while conducting a joint dismounted patrol, FF found 1 x Suspected IED consisting of a cow pushed into a culvert with a large gash in its side and plastic stuffed inside. ANA established cordon. EOD support is requested.
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On July 26 2010 16:27 Go0g3n wrote:
A good one:
A COY 3 RIFLES w/ 3/3/205 KDK reported that, while conducting a joint dismounted patrol, FF found 1 x Suspected IED consisting of a cow pushed into a culvert with a large gash in its side and plastic stuffed inside. ANA established cordon. EOD support is requested.
I am quite confused by this
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United States22883 Posts
They made an IED out of a cow.
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Yes but why! It's a cow eat that dam thing not stuff it full of explosives and throw it down a bank.
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On July 26 2010 08:51 ckw wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2010 08:49 dethrawr wrote:
Massive respect to wikileaks for having the balls to post stuff like this. America will probably have a lot of explaining to do once everything has been analysed. Why? It's war. It's funny that we'll have explaining to do because of some civilians dying when nothing is said about the jews killing Muslims every freaking day on purpose. Respect isn't the word I would use for Wikileaks. This is insulting the country in which grants them the freedom to exist and putting peoples lives at risk. I hope they get shut down.
becouse the only reason Countries in EU and others came with was becouse they had a plan. if one of these documents say otherwise. theyl have to do the explaining.
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Maybe they mean a dead cow stuffed with plastic explosives? but forgot to add explosives?
I know IEDs aren't funny, but an exploding cow makes me laugh just a little bit
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