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"There is an end to everything, to good things as well."
It pains me to announce that this is the last week of manga reading on One Manga (!!). Manga publishers have recently changed their stance on manga scanlations and made it clear that they no longer approve of it. We have decided to abide by their wishes, and remove all manga content (regardless of licensing status) from the site. The removal of content will happen gradually (so you can at least finish some of the outstanding reading you have), but we expect all content to be gone by early next week (RIP OM July '10).
So what next? We're not really sure at this point, but we have some ideas we would like to try out. Until then, the One Manga forums will remain active and we encourage all of you to continue using them. OMF has developed into a great community and it would be a shame to see that disappear.
You can also show us some love in this moment of sadness by 'liking' our brand new Facebook page. It would be nice to see just how many of you came to enjoy our 'better than peanut butter and jelly' invention.
Regardless of whether you stay with us or not, on behalf of the One Manga team, I would like to thank you all for your unwavering support over the years. Through the ups and downs you have stuck with us, and that is what kept us going.
As a certain Porky was fond of saying... That's all folks!
Time for me to go lay down and let this all sink in.
- Zabi
This message came up when I went to onemanga.com to read some of my beloved mangas. Now that onemanga has been eliminated due to manga publisher pressure, does anyone else think that other manga-browsing websites (eg mangafox, mangahut, etc) will also take down all their mangas?
Will we have to return to buying the antique bound books that we have grown to hate?
One future possibility I see is that there may be a subscription based online manga viewer (assuming manga publishers start cracking down).
Is this a premonition of a forecoming disaster? Or do manga publishers just hate onemanga?
Discuss.
EDIT: Heres the link to the situation in onemanga forums.
http://forum.onemanga.com/showthread.php?t=81428
EDIT2: Although this is a massive shock to many (and a minor to some), remember that we at least still have anime!
EDIT#3: I don't think manga scanlators have been shut down, just the mass distribution websites. I guess if you want to read manga for now, its possible to use the unclosed sites( i.e. Mangafox), and if that closes, go to the scanlator directly (like Frankyhouse, Simple Scans, etc)
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Oh Noes. I read GTO and HotD there 
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Are the forums gone? Best manga forums I've been able to find.
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argh... It's happening everywhere
First Ninjavideo, then onemanga? Most likely Onemanga took down their site due to respect of the Publisher's wishes. But whether or not Manga publishers will take legal action on any other site is still unknown.
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And it's an entirely futile fight to try and shut down manga scanlation/translations: you'll get the big sites that host it, but it'll still be all over the web just as it usually is. I mean domestic companies / lobbying groups can't even put a dent in file-sharing of movies and files, yet Japanese companies are going to somehow stop their paper/picture properties from being shared? Yeah right.
The only thing that would help is an actual legal / easy to use / UP TO DATE service of publishing of manga/anime. Manga in particular is months / a year + behind date in North America compared to the Japanese releases: nobody is going to wait that long to get past the cliffhanger in their story if it's available in pirated form online. Same for anime, which is usually years behind in terms of English dubs and their are no official English subs at all.
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Very sad news. my favourite manga site.
I didn't see the news till now since I usually use the onemanga beta site.
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Ugh, this sucks. While getting free manga was a little too good to be true, I'm still gonna miss catching up on some of the series that aren't published in the US.
Oh well, guess I'll have to find other ways to view those series...
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fuck, that is all i have to say
im gonna miss that site
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Blah, what a pain in the ass :/
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Vatican City State1650 Posts
Mangatoshokan is down too. They had a lot of hard to find manga there...
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This is like Stage6 all over again.....
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On July 22 2010 15:42 orgolove wrote:
Mangatoshokan is down too. They had a lot of hard to find manga there...
It seems up to me, but they say that they removed a shitload of series. A lot of the really obscure stuff is still there, though.
Also I need to find a script to download the mangas I'm trying to finish -__--;;
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
NO >_<
T_T
I read Bleach there.
Love Hina.
Liar Game.
Doubt.
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I'm sniffling right now...
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I remember about a year ago I read every single Inuyasha chapter, and I was really amazed at the web site, only thing I read on there though.
Sad to see it go T_T
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It was this year that i found out such website existed lolol
Im a generic asian who only reads Narutard and Bleach ~_~
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2629 Posts
I'm really sad to see it go. It was the most comprehensive database of online manga (in a general sense). Now I have to troll the series specific forums to find the latest chapters
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Canada8031 Posts
Well, crap. Back to downloading through IRC, I guess.
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omg :/ this is bad :/ srsly :///
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I read about this on another forum I go to, and it sucks that it really is coming to an end... I don't read a lot of manga series, but I understand how much this sucks for people who read a lot since the site is the best.
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aers
United States1210 Posts
Manga piracy survived before OneManga and its ilk and it'll survive after they fall. They've simply spoiled the current generation of pirates. 
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Such horrible news =/
I read a lot of manga at onemanga
Time to go to other sites i guess
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omg? just when i dled the chrome extension for onemanga.
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On July 22 2010 16:15 aers wrote:Manga piracy survived before OneManga and its ilk and it'll survive after they fall. They've simply spoiled the current generation of pirates.
Guess I know who to pm now for what I want ;p
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On July 22 2010 16:15 aers wrote:Manga piracy survived before OneManga and its ilk and it'll survive after they fall. They've simply spoiled the current generation of pirates.
Edit: Me being mistaken. Sorry.
In any case, a sad day. A very good page for manga going down.
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It is sad, hope the publishers won't take legal action. Looks like I will have to read up on MangaFox.
Btw, you can always check on here
It is an another good site.
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Sanya12364 Posts
i'm not a fan of onemanga
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Too bad...I go there all the time.
There's now a good chance other major manga sites will fall as well, but I feel it's impossible for the publishers to stop the scans completely. There will be some websites that will avoid closing.
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aers
United States1210 Posts
On July 22 2010 16:23 SmiLeSE wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 16:15 aers wrote:Manga piracy survived before OneManga and its ilk and it'll survive after they fall. They've simply spoiled the current generation of pirates. Except OneManga obviously wasn't piracy, but endorsed by the manga writers. In any case, a sad day. A very good page for manga going down.
Whatever gives you the idea that hosting illegal scans of manga isn't piracy? OneManga in no way was endorsed by manga writers.
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On July 22 2010 16:23 SmiLeSE wrote:
Except OneManga obviously wasn't piracy, but endorsed by the manga writers.
No dude. It's piracy. Where do you think they get the manga from, the publishers just send it along to the site? For free, losing out on thousands of dollars' worth of profits? Or do you think they paid for their copies of the manga so that they could provide it for free on the internet?
The manga on onemanga is translated for free by independent groups then hosted illegally by onemanga, and that's why they're being shut down.
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Baa?21243 Posts
That is quite unfortunate =(
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Sanya12364 Posts
It's piracy and it's also content jacking from various volunteer scan groups, too.
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On July 22 2010 16:31 TanGeng wrote:
It's piracy and it's also content jacking from various volunteer scan groups, too.
Yep. Although to be fair it's not like the scanlator groups "own" the material.. but that doesn't make it any less of a dick move.
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ah well it was to be expected eventually
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90% of the stuff released in Japan won't be translated for the rest of the world anyways. If they won't translate it I can't even buy it, and now I'm left feeling like I just got a massive Japanese dick in my eye.
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this is crap,
i still havent read all the Detective Conan, Hajime no Ippo and Doraemon.
but for the big 3 i can still read it at a chinese site (just with delays) I hope mangastream isnt axed.
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Sanya12364 Posts
On July 22 2010 17:20 SingletonWilliam wrote:
90% of the stuff released in Japan won't be translated for the rest of the world anyways. If they won't translate it I can't even buy it, and now I'm left feeling like I just got a massive Japanese dick in my eye.
There is not going to be significantly less fan translation content. Onemanga is an aggregator/distributor and not a content creator (translator/editing). If you try harder you can find less prominent distribution methods.
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Gah, this is sad news. First, they remove all the mature contents in onemanga and now this? Hopefully, the other sites still stay active. Only good thing is that there are other still other websites to go to.
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Where does it go from here? To torrents, or other, more dispersed online archives. This removes a layer of convenience, that is all.
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
A big change in the community, but the manga scantilation community won't fall that easily. I'm interested to know what precipitated the action though.
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10387 Posts
omg what about Hajime no Ippo O_o
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There is always 1000manga, plus I have a feeling someone going to pop up really soon with an also exact carbon copy of onemanga.
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2629 Posts
isnt' 1000manga onemanga's mature section ? im sure that will closed down as well.
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Sanya12364 Posts
Seriously, how hard can it be to find Hajime no Ippo...
http://endlessabyss.host56.com/
As far as the scan community is concerned it'll probably be stronger without onemanga-ilk websites that merely hijack content and distribute. Most readers probably have never interacted with the scan community in their life.
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On July 22 2010 17:42 ArvickHero wrote:
omg what about Hajime no Ippo O_o
http://www.confusticated.com/ignition-one/Hajime_no_Ippo/001/01/1100/1/
Ignition-One's website(the Ippo Scanners), have their own manga viewer where you can view their own scans.
Do people seriously think its hard to find manga? There are hundreds of sites out there just dedicated to streaming manga online(just search manga online on google and you'll see what I mean, onemanga is simply the most popular site, that's it), besides, it's always easier to grab bundles on torrent(bakabt/animebytes/demonoid have a good collection, and those are what I use) and read on cdisplay with higher quality images. You can also find plenty of manga on irc or the scanlators' own websites. You just have to search a little bit more, by that I mean just finding a proper website just by a simple google search, or a nice torrent tracker.
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Yeah i just saw the same message.
Well, i guess i'll switch to Mangafox for a while. And if they shut that too i'll go back to irc.
No one told to the publisher that the "stopped the piracy" achievment is a prank made by the internet dev's? no one is going to get it.
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thedeadhaji
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The primary reason for this debacle is that the japanese publishing industry is still stuck in the stone age. The country is ALL about "perks" that would aptly be called special interests in the states. They dont like change, because change means that they lose their perks. This is actually true in basically every single industry in japan. (the country is going down the shitter imo)
They hate change, and they hate figuring out new schemes. For us teens-20somethings, the task seems straightforward enough - have something like a 3 week buffer for authors to hand in the hard copies -> parallel line for in house translators to do their work / normal publication route -> outsource the physical printing of magazines abroad -> simultaneous release of magazine globally.
Or you of course have the option of making 50cent downloads of manga translations available globally.
But as I said earlier, the people in charge are utter morons.
Also, the publication industry is deathly averse towards digital media. It's only in 2010 that the Nikkei (economic paper) created an online version of its newspaper. I wonder how long the Wall Street Journal has had an online subscription. They're super comforable with the way things are and the way the revenue streams have been setup, that they oppose anything that requires innovation / reconstruction.
Because japanese business is very much "buddy buddy", going towards digital media means that the companies that do the paper production, the physical bookstores, the shipping companies, etcetc are tied into this huge mess of a knot where they simply disallow change.
Do you know what Japan's response to downlaodable digital books is? It's to have a "downloader" at the bookstores where you can download digital books onto your reader. WTF LOL. This is all because the physical bookstores dont want to lose customer traffic. Do they not even realize that they're being owned by amazon already anyways??? They're fighting a battle they've already lost, just that they dont even know that they've already lost.
Here's another example of how out of tune the industry is with the 21st century. The cost of buying a Detective Conan volume on your iphone is 450yen iirc. That's actually HIGHER than the physical book.
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thedeadhaji
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I can seriously go on and on about how fucked up and out of touch japanese industry is, but I'll summarize is with this.
Japanese industry tries incredibly hard to maintain the rules of the "old game" (ie the way things used to work). They refuse to innovate and adapt to the new technologies and consumer expectations that have become prevalent in the world. Instead of embracing digital media, they choose to stop its proliferation by any means possible. If I were in charge, I would do everything I could to make it as easy as possible to access and consume globally in a legal manner.
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Sanya12364 Posts
Certainly, marketing mistakes by the Japanese publisher has been why these online reading sites have flourished. It could be a lot better for a lower price. That is correct.
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wow. Thanks for the insight haji. It frustrates me to read that, since I've had similar gripes about people being too lazy or scared to try digital media for things like TV, music etc.
Never really thought of what Japan was like with respect to that, but given their high tech reputation, I am disappoint.
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I'm rather dissapointed that the publishers don't realize that the majority of people DO NOT have money anymore to afford vast volumes of manga books. Also, since many publishers think we are culturally inept, they tend to change content because they fear we won't "understand". For that my friends, there is always Google and side translations. I buy when I can, but simply it is not cost effective anymore when I am jobless, and am in college. However, I do see the publisher's side of the argument, no matter how unsound it is. What I really wish for is the writers to make more, not the Publishers who usually take the lions share. It is at times like this that I resume working on my own hand created story with vigor. If I can't have other people's worlds, then I shall create my own.
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I don't see why the the licensing companies insist on pissing off the only group of people who would fit into their niche target. People who eventually do buy manga do it after being first exposed to the scanned versions. Dunno, after the last few years, I've refused to give a single cent to a licensing company because of their policies. Maybe if the old guard dies out they'll let someone with brains run the scene. Looking at the anime industry, at least they're moving a step in the right direction after going to the brink. In fact, I'd rather import it from amazon JP as opposed to buying it at my local chapters. Of course not everyone can read Japanese but meh? >_>
Thank god for PD and the fact that there is a book-off in Vancouver :3
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37023 Posts
This is unbelieveable... That site was pure amazing
Had many many mangas and it was truly a site loved by all who went there.....
I can't believe one of my most visited site is going down.....
what is irc?
what was stage6?
Why did this have to happen...... T-T
One Manga you will be missed
So, if Mangafox, Onemanga, and other places go down, where will we read manga from now on?
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I wonder if their people even scanned/translated 1% of the hoards of manga they re-pirated while earning ad revenue out the wazoo. If at any point in time you contributed towards scanning and translating a manga series, you were basically working for them. Anonymously and for free.
While scanslators provide an essential service free of charge, it's not wrong to expect a bit of credit. When someone is denying you even e-props, it's so easy to give up and stop doing what you do, since it's a pain in the ass to translate anyway.
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On July 22 2010 18:14 thedeadhaji wrote:
I can seriously go on and on about how fucked up and out of touch japanese industry is, but I'll summarize is with this.
Japanese industry tries incredibly hard to maintain the rules of the "old game" (ie the way things used to work). They refuse to innovate and adapt to the new technologies and consumer expectations that have become prevalent in the world. Instead of embracing digital media, they choose to stop its proliferation by any means possible. If I were in charge, I would do everything I could to make it as easy as possible to access and consume globally in a legal manner.
Enlightening stuff haji, thanks!
It's even more bizarre for a country who has great infrastructure for digital distribution but stick with the print. I guess tradition runs really deep in their culture.
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Oh well, I guess there's always scanlators' own pages or IRC left. A bit more hassle though.
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thedeadhaji
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On July 22 2010 18:28 Reaper9 wrote:
What I really wish for is the writers to make more, not the Publishers who usually take the lions share.
I've had the chance to meet some key players in the doujin sector (fan made, fan sold), and their profit margins are incredible. Quality is pretty damn top notch as well. Talking with those guys is one of the main reasons I'm sold on the direct producer to consumer consumption model.
On July 22 2010 18:29 Taku wrote:
I don't see why the the licensing companies insist on pissing off the only group of people who would fit into their niche target. People who eventually do buy manga do it after being first exposed to the scanned versions.
Totally agree. I think in this age of digital piracy, consumption will be replaced with "support". When people can get copies for free, the only times they will actually choose to give money is when they "choose to" rather than having to do so.
Also, traditional companies that try to derive revenue off of the path well traveled have no idea wtf they are doing w/ regards to the future.
On July 22 2010 18:44 shindigs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 18:14 thedeadhaji wrote:
I can seriously go on and on about how fucked up and out of touch japanese industry is, but I'll summarize is with this.
Japanese industry tries incredibly hard to maintain the rules of the "old game" (ie the way things used to work). They refuse to innovate and adapt to the new technologies and consumer expectations that have become prevalent in the world. Instead of embracing digital media, they choose to stop its proliferation by any means possible. If I were in charge, I would do everything I could to make it as easy as possible to access and consume globally in a legal manner. Enlightening stuff haji, thanks! It's even more bizarre for a country who has great infrastructure for digital distribution but stick with the print. I guess tradition runs really deep in their culture.
Yes, it's really mindboggling, esp since just this week, the Softbank CEO pressured the govt into developing fiber optic internet for every single household in japan.
Print, mass media, and the tv industry are the 3 most well paying, uninnovative areas in japan. They are ridiculously well paid, and fear anything that can upset the status quo that has brought them their wealth that is completely undeserved. (btw the tv industry and newspaper industry is completely falling apart, as you might expect)
In this age, I sincerely believe that alienating your consumer base means a certain death. Consumers have a CHOICE now, and creators need to convince the customer that they do want to consume their product, rather than something else (or for free).
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Sanya12364 Posts
Creators also need to reduce their distribution OVERHEAD costs. Paper publishing, store fronts, and shipping are all overhead in the process of delivering content. Sometimes when the content is good enough, people actually will pay the premium of a hard paper copy. Most of the time when the content is disposable crap, electronic versions are good enough and much less expensive.
Unfortunately having massive overhead means keeping a lot of people employed.
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Whoa i never relised it was that bad, awesome posts haji thanks
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Netherlands19135 Posts
Thanks haji, good read and RIP onemanga .
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Nice read by haji, and...
Oh no, not One manga. They all fall one after another. Mangatoshokan first, by having only Manwha now, and One Manga now...
The next one will surely be Mangafox... T_T
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wtf i read other manga at onemanga too and now its down T_T. hope i can find some other sites that also has other mangas.
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thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
here's food for thought.
Effectively every single TV-channel / newspaper company employee over 40 years old gets paid well over $100,000. You have to be a damn superstar to be paid this much in the western world.
Keep in mind that Japanese TV shows are mass-produced low budget pieces of shit (the majority of shows right now feature (a) comedians eating, or (b) comedians on quiz shows). Also, Japanese newspapers do no real "reporting" and simply regurgitate facts (which are actually often misrepresented intentionally). The papers are incredibly corrupt in Japan, which you wouldn't expect from a supposedly democratic country.
Japan is more of a socialist/communist state than a democracy imo.
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Sanya12364 Posts
Democracies can be socialist. It's an economic philosophy rather than a political one. But yeah. When you value keeping people in their current jobs and are much less responsive to consumer satisfaction or desires, that's kind of socialist. There is also the NHK TV tax where the national broadcasting companies basically try to force everyone to pay something like a cable subscription.
The whole media distribution industry needs to redeploy their workforce so they can lower costs on both books and on TV. It's the same situation for the music & record industry here in the US and the Western nations. All you have to imagine is that it's even worse!!!
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Vatican City State2594 Posts
Do the publishers not realize that people who read translated manga are the people who also would not buy Japanese books? Morons. They expect us to wait for them to release version in English like 3 years late? Fuck you publishers. If you did a better job there would be no need for manga websites.
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Sanya12364 Posts
Most titles don't get translated to English, and many of the ones that do are trash. Based on personal experience, a lot of the translations done by Japanese translation houses are bad, terrible. And some the publishing companies insist on using Japanese translation houses. In the end, it's better just to learn the damn language yourself.
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all the good shit is on 1000manga, which has yet to display any messages of closing down
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lol . It seems like only games sucessfully moved to digital distribution with retail and online sales getting to parity.
Its pathetic to see print publishers still try to thug around digital distribuition.
I have money and i would pay for current and updated manga if u sold it without the niche tax.
Seriously if one piece came out on steam a day after the jap print came out for 1 dollar a chapter ppl would buy it. Its that simple.
Heck you could even put jump up for pretty cheap
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I don´t read that much manga but I think I will manage with http://www.mangastream.com/
Also they are always faster with one piece, naruto, bleach and fairy tail which is the only manga I read atm.
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A sad day for all of us
Mangastream is great for getting the best ones fast but if you ever want to read anything fully, even the big three, OM was good for it.
I still know a bunch of sites though so shouldn't be too bad.
Feels like torrents all over again.
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On July 22 2010 19:43 thedeadhaji wrote:
Keep in mind that Japanese TV shows are mass-produced low budget pieces of shit
Beat Takeshi is the cancer killing Japanese TV.
Also, "Uwa, umaiii~!!"
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Well, time to go back to downloading off IRC. To to truthful, I always knew this day would come. The manga scanlation community isn't going to die out though. They existed before onemanga, they'll exist after. Onemanga simply spoiled the current generation of pirates.
It was a good run Onemanga, i'll miss you <3
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On July 22 2010 19:43 thedeadhaji wrote:
Japan is more of a socialist/communist state than a democracy imo.
Its actually a very conservative capitalist country.
The irony is that all your ideas have leaned heavily towards socialist ideals, I 100% agree with everything else you said though.
On July 22 2010 20:56 san-tokie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 19:43 thedeadhaji wrote:
Keep in mind that Japanese TV shows are mass-produced low budget pieces of shit Beat Takeshi is the cancer killing Japanese TV. Also, "Uwa, umaiii~!!"
Not only TV but manga as well.
Toriko aka Unnnmaiiiiiii!!!
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A huge blow for the scanlation community, first mangahelpers, now onemanga. Though, I still think it's the wrong way to approach this, there are just little to no alternatives for the western world and it sucks to wait months till the volumes are released. They should realize, that you simply can't crush piracy as long as the illegal content is way more attractive. Stuff like DRM for the latest computer games are an impertinence (Ubisoft anyone?) and will only support piracy in the end.
I've already seen people gather to host websites that are searching the conflict head-on, I guess a lot of people go back to irc, so scanlations are far from over. What is really annoying are lesser known mangas, since they are nearly impossible to get outside of japan. They better change their outdated marketing and give people outside of japan an equal offer, otherwise this is going to lead nowhere.
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Fuuuuuuuu...
What shitty news to wake up to.
While it's still possible for me to get all my manga from scanslator sites directly, if all the big manga sites go down, it's going to be 20x more annoying since I follow like 30+ series. Shit.
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So besides mangastream, mangafox,
could anyone come up with a semi-complete list of places to go to once onemanga goes down?
Noob here sorry T.T
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On July 22 2010 23:14 johanngrunt wrote:
So besides mangastream, mangafox,
could anyone come up with a semi-complete list of places to go to once onemanga goes down?
Noob here sorry T.T
Mangatraders, or manually search for any series you missed on mangaupates
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I guess I'm just spoiled. Onemanga had the beta where I could track all my 20+ series easily and not miss out on any!
Sigh, does any other website even have something like that?
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On July 22 2010 15:56 flamewheel wrote:
NO >_<
T_T
I read Bleach there.
Love Hina.
Liar Game.
Doubt.
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I'm sniffling right now...
Damn ......T_T
I read the whole Love Hina series there too.
And Bamboo Blade, and Claymore, to-LOVE-ru....
You will be missed, OM.
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thedeadhaji
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On July 22 2010 23:27 johanngrunt wrote:
I guess I'm just spoiled. Onemanga had the beta where I could track all my 20+ series easily and not miss out on any!
Sigh, does any other website even have something like that?
Such a service SHOULD be provided by the publishers.
But alas, they are morons. I bet you the 20 year olds in the companies have actually proposed such ideas, but have been quashed by the 40+ year olds who aren't connected with the world.
Make some subscription service + one click thing (kind of like amazon), where you pay 25c per episode, directly linked to a cc account or something and you'd have a massive revenue stream.
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Back to getting the releases from irc then, usually better quality anyway before the pics get formatted for online reader sites.
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By the time licensed translations catch up to where I was in Hajime no Ippo I will be 90 years old.
On July 22 2010 23:40 thedeadhaji wrote:
Such a service SHOULD be provided by the publishers.
But alas, they are morons. I bet you the 20 year olds in the companies have actually proposed such ideas, but have been quashed by the 40+ year olds who aren't connected with the world.
Make some subscription service + one click thing (kind of like amazon), where you pay 25c per episode, directly linked to a cc account or something and you'd have a massive revenue stream.
I would gladly pay for such a service.
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Dear Lord nooooooooo.....:'( Thanks for the insight Haji.
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On July 22 2010 20:34 lesser_good wrote:
all the good shit is on 1000manga, which has yet to display any messages of closing down
1000manga's manga reader is shutting down as well (I always wondered why Dragon Ball was put on 1000manga....). It's so sad T__T
So basically we gotta save the websites of the scanlators for the mangas we follow...
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thedeadhaji
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On July 22 2010 23:43 Back wrote:By the time licensed translations catch up to where I was in Hajime no Ippo I will be 90 years old. Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 23:40 thedeadhaji wrote:
Such a service SHOULD be provided by the publishers.
But alas, they are morons. I bet you the 20 year olds in the companies have actually proposed such ideas, but have been quashed by the 40+ year olds who aren't connected with the world.
Make some subscription service + one click thing (kind of like amazon), where you pay 25c per episode, directly linked to a cc account or something and you'd have a massive revenue stream. I would gladly pay for such a service.
It's such simple math... you just add up all the downloaded N chapters on the major sites, multiply it by say, 10% (10% of downloaders will pay $X for the chapter). So now you have N x $X = weekly revenue stream, then you calculate how much it will cost to put up and maintain such a service, outsource translating, yadayada.
They probably don't even understand that by providing such a service, you also increase your customer base for hard copies of these books. They are so fucking incompetent...
edit: some simple math: say you offer a "read all you want" service for $10/mont that covers Koudansha, Shuueisha and Shougakukan (not all the publishers, but covers the big 3). From the download numbers, I'd imagine that you could get a subscription base of 20,000 users globally (seems pretty realistic??).
Annual revenue = 20,000 x $10 x 12 = $2.4M
Start off with just the really major series (make a poll on teh site asking the users), say 20 series or something and you can definitely run this business model even considering the start up costs and hiring translators. Add in the potential (very realistic) increase in sales of hard copies worldwide, and some marketing will get you to a $20M business in a few years.
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RIP Onemanga... Mid 2007 - July 22, 2010
I think publishers still could have handled this much better. Simply closing the hosting sites won't increase their revenue (maybe a bit, but only marginally) and will make manga less popular in the west in general.
I made the poll below because I'm curious to see that had publishers been willing to work with sites like onemanga and provide digital distribution at reasonable prices (considering it costs essentially nothing for publishers to distribute a digital copy of anything compared to a physical copy), would you be willing to pay and how much? It just bugs me that manga publishers just gave the finger to a huge manga reading userbase instead of making the most of a great opportunity.
Business Model #1: MMO Subscription Style. Make a monthly fee for access to unlimited manga (Keep in mind that one volume of a manga, about 5 to 7 chapters of a series, normally costs anywhere in the $15-20 range):
Poll: I would be willing to pay a maximum of:$10 per month (14) 48% $5 per month (11) 38% Heck no. I'm not paying squat! (2) 7% $1 per month (1) 3% $20 per month or more (1) 3% $15 per month (0) 0% 29 total votes Your vote: I would be willing to pay a maximum of: (Vote): $1 per month
(Vote): $5 per month
(Vote): $10 per month
(Vote): $15 per month
(Vote): $20 per month or more
(Vote): Heck no. I'm not paying squat!
Business Model #2: Pay per View. You pay for each released chapter and can keep the chapter. I am willing to pay:
Poll: I would be willing to pay a maximum of:$ 0.25 per chapter (19) 76% They can't have my money! Up theirs! (3) 12% $ 0.50 per chapter (2) 8% $ 1.00 per chapter (1) 4% $ 1.50 per chapter (0) 0% $ 2.00 per chapter (0) 0% over $ 2.00 per chapter (0) 0% 25 total votes Your vote: I would be willing to pay a maximum of: (Vote): $ 0.25 per chapter
(Vote): $ 0.50 per chapter
(Vote): $ 1.00 per chapter
(Vote): $ 1.50 per chapter
(Vote): $ 2.00 per chapter
(Vote): over $ 2.00 per chapter
(Vote): They can't have my money! Up theirs!
Final Poll:
Poll: If I could I would choose...Flat out pirate it all (13) 52% Some combination of pirating, online distibution, and buying hard copies (4) 16% a digital distibution model like the ones above (3) 12% I'd just pirate but buy online if the price was reasonably low enough (2) 8% I'd pirate and buy from a bookstore (2) 8% to rather buy manga from a bookstore (1) 4% 25 total votes Your vote: If I could I would choose... (Vote): a digital distibution model like the ones above
(Vote): to rather buy manga from a bookstore
(Vote): I'd just pirate but buy online if the price was reasonably low enough
(Vote): I'd pirate and buy from a bookstore
(Vote): Some combination of pirating, online distibution, and buying hard copies
(Vote): Flat out pirate it all
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On July 22 2010 23:53 The_Pacifist wrote:
Business Model #1: MMO Subscription Style. Make a monthly fee for access to unlimited manga (Keep in mind that one volume of a manga, about 5 to 7 chapters of a series, normally costs anywhere in the $15-20 range):
It's $9 for 200 pages and that's on the high end.
It also depends on where you live.
They probably don't even understand that by providing such a service, you also increase your customer base for hard copies of these books. They are so fucking incompetent...
It's not incompetence when their secondary goal is trying to keep their army of store front owners, sales associates, paper publishing workers, and paper book marketing execs employed. Digital distribution is best for the worldwide release, but Japanese folks would want it, too. That would put a dent into their primary hard copies market.
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On July 22 2010 23:53 The_Pacifist wrote:
I think publishers still could have handled this much better. Simply closing the hosting sites won't increase their revenue (maybe a bit, but only marginally) and will make manga less popular in the west in general.
I made the poll below because I'm curious to see that had publishers been willing to work with sites like onemanga and provide digital distribution at reasonable prices (considering it costs essentially nothing for publishers to distribute a digital copy of anything compared to a physical copy), would you be willing to pay and how much? It just bugs me that manga publishers just gave the finger to a huge manga reading userbase instead of making the most of a great opportunity.
After giving the situatution some thought (including my rage in this thread lol), I think one main reason they cannot embrace digital distribution is because of how heavily intertwined each of the production steps are inside japan.
ie Author -> publisher -> printing company -> shipping company -> book store
If they offered digital sales globally, users would surely demand such a service domestically, which will probably rape the downstream firms. (of course, they're probably blind to the fact that people who are going to pirate digital copies aren't suddently going to buy physical copies b/c their lives got marginally harder)This is actually how the system SHOULD work. Outdated mediums should die in the face of competition. However, that's not how japan rolls. Rolls into its deathbed that is.
On July 23 2010 00:01 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 23:53 The_Pacifist wrote:
Business Model #1: MMO Subscription Style. Make a monthly fee for access to unlimited manga (Keep in mind that one volume of a manga, about 5 to 7 chapters of a series, normally costs anywhere in the $15-20 range):
It's $9 for 200 pages and that's on the high end. It also depends on where you live. Show nested quote +
They probably don't even understand that by providing such a service, you also increase your customer base for hard copies of these books. They are so fucking incompetent...
It's not incompetence when their secondary goal is trying to keep their arm of store front owners, sales associates, paper publishing workers, and paper book marketing execs employed.
ya I definitely hear ya. "why" they are doing what they are doing is logical. But should they be making such decisions in the first place? Japanese old guard firms refused to live in the present, and as a result, have been completely annihilated by services such as amazon. Same thing is going to happen with the e-reader business as well btw, it's deifnitely going to be a non-domestic ervice that's going to become the market leader.
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Noo! I read my New Prince of Tennis there! Why! T___T
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Any ideas on where to go now??? I really want to keep reading Liar Game!
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thedeadhaji
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On July 23 2010 00:01 TanGeng wrote: Digital distribution is best for the worldwide release, but Japanese folks would want it, too. That would put a dent into their primary hard copies market.
 looks like we're reaching the same conclusion.
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On July 23 2010 00:02 thedeadhaji wrote:
Outdated mediums should die in the face of competition. However, that's not how japan rolls. Rolls into its deathbed that is.
You're right, but it's hardly a problem that's constrained to Japan. It's a problem that confronts business everywhere - it's usually better and safer for a firm to work within the framework that exists rather than go their own way. There are only a few industries that seem to avoid this to some extent (like the software industry).
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First of all for the poll, I'm going to comment on the prices.
$5 per month unlimited reading might be a good price for one single magazine with 20-40 titles. The most you are going to get is all the titles under one publishing house's umbrella. And since it might include back issues, there would probably have to be an account registration fee.
$.25 per chapter is a ridiculous price for most of the mass market titles. For weekly serials that's a subscription of $12.50 per year. It's outrageous.
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ok guys...
i need my weekly dose of haji no ippo, naruto, and bleach. I've been reading this shit since highschool. 1000 manga doesnt have any of these.
Where can i get this !!!!
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On July 23 2010 00:18 TanGeng wrote:
First of all for the poll, I'm going to comment on the prices.
$5 per month unlimited reading might be a good price for one single magazine with 20-40 titles. The most you are going to get is all the titles under one publishing house's umbrella. And since it might include back issues, there would probably have to be an account registration fee.
$.25 per chapter is a ridiculous price for most of the mass market titles. For weekly serials that's a subscription of $12.50 per year. It's outrageous.
I probably should have put in an option under 25 cents. Still, $12.50 per year is vastly cheaper than buying that many hard copies. Where I live, I can't even find a single volume of any series for under $15.
On July 23 2010 00:21 TunaFishyMe wrote:ok guys... i need my weekly dose of haji no ippo, naruto, and bleach. I've been reading this shit since highschool. 1000 manga doesnt have any of these. Where can i get this !!!!
Since many of you don't seem to understand, 1000manga is going down as well. I know.
Source: http://forum.onemanga.com/showthread.php?t=86405
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wtfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
im so annoyed
this is where i read all my manga.
DAMNNNNN YOUUUUUU
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FML.
I'm reading 58 ongoing mangas. with mangashotokan getting the shaft earlier this month, it's going to be a pain in the ass to keep up with everything -_-
and it's not like I don't buy shit either. I think since I started reading mangas years ago I might've spent somewhere around $3k US (I have at least 200 books @ 10-15 bucks each so yeah). I am quite mad, bro.
I think I'll spend the day getting all the scanlation groups sites, siiiiiiiiigh.
for people that don't know where else to read stuff, those are the other sites I use:
+ Show Spoiler +
kinda incomplete, but oh well.
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Goodbye Onemanga, this is definitely going to make it harder to keep up on all my manga, as well as grinding out new ones D:
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On July 22 2010 23:55 Garnet wrote:gotlurk.net down for anyone?
It didn't get enough donations to keep the server up, so it is down until enough donations are in.
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thedeadhaji
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wtf @ paying $10-15 per volume.
Now that is fucked up... this industry is completely backwards with its business strategy...
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Oh that's right. $10-15 is the English translation prices. Hahaha. I'm sorry. I read a few and gave up on the English translations a few years ago. The English versions are not worth it.
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Considering how lucrative OneManga must have been (it was in top 400 Alexa traffic rankings) I can definitely see someone who doesn't give a damn about the publishers and who's capable of hosting a site somewhere they can't touch stepping in to fill the void.
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Thanks for the insight haji.
I don't think it's the right move to shut down sites like onemanga. The majority of that reader base is not suddenly going to buy manga because of that as they can still find scanlations online. All it does is worsen the relationship between the global readerbase and the publication companies. Even if they shut down all major avenues of online illegal distribution it would just crush interest and squander a very good opportunity to tap into the global market.
I definitely agree that setting up subscription services would be a good move. One problem is that illegally uploaded manga would still be all over the net, reducing the incentive to subscribe. However, if the online subscription websites were very professional, convenient, and up-to-date and not too expensive I think that people would eventually shift over.
One example I think of today is netflix, which is doing very well as of late. Although in the age of piracy where many movies can be found online, the fact that netflix is not that expensive and provides a reliable source of movies attracts many subscribers.
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Awww, I read Solanin there.
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On July 23 2010 00:40 thedeadhaji wrote:
wtf @ paying $10-15 per volume.
Now that is fucked up... this industry is completely backwards with its business strategy...
yeah to give you an idea like,
in Quebec if you want translated mangas you have two options:
in most bookstores you'll find the french translation (lolfail french province) which actually comes from France. last I checked a lot of their work was based on the english translations so you had to wait even more to see a new volume come out (cause it had to be released in Japan, then be translated in English, sent to France then translated to French, then sent to Quebec). the reader base being rather scarce, you'd get releases about 2-3 months after it was released in France, and that's only if you were going after the popular titles (One Piece, Shaman King, Bleach and Naruto for the most part). I remember one time I went to France for a family vacation and I had started Death Note in Quebec, France had 3 volumes more than we had. I raged.
if you want them in English though, you can go to Montreal in very select bookstores that are english based but forced to offer books in french as well. they'll have some titles, but no more than 1-2 of each volume so quite often what would happen is on release days you wouldn't get the volume you were after because someone got there before you.
I say all this but I haven't bought seriously in like 3 years so the situation might've changed. I kinda doubt it though.
as far as prices go, although english books seem to be of higher quality (bigger volume, better printing), they're the cheapest. for an average volume you'd pay somewhere between $11 and $13, whereas for the french ones there'd be nothing under $14. Mangakana is so bad.
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Nooooooo where else can I read One Piece?
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On July 23 2010 00:40 thedeadhaji wrote:
wtf @ paying $10-15 per volume.
Now that is fucked up... this industry is completely backwards with its business strategy...
I had written up a post saying basically the same thing, but decide not to post it for whatever reason. I enjoy manga occasionally, and I'll admit to using sites like Mangafox and Onemanga. I'd be more than happy to support the people creating the works, but when a manga can run over 20-30 volumes easily, at that price, it quickly adds up. And there's no way in hell I'm paying that much for something I'll read a few times at most; it's just not a feasible expense for a casual reader.
However, if a decent amount of publishers came together with a good list of titles, and charged say, $10-20 a month for unlimited access to their collection, I'd jump on the opportunity. Even though there would probably be months where I didn't use it at all, and would have been better off buying a volume or two.
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http://www.thespectrum.net/ is still up, didnt wade trough the pages but this site is up and going.
as for onemanga etc, this would not really be a problem if distribution was more streamlined on the net and easier. ;:/
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this is dumb i still support my writers by buying their shit I love ODA! but it's so damn hard to wait 5 years to read the next chapter...
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wtf no! RIP
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On July 23 2010 00:40 thedeadhaji wrote:
wtf @ paying $10-15 per volume.
Now that is fucked up... this industry is completely backwards with its business strategy...
Yeah I honestly don't get how 500 Yen->$10-$15. And as someone else mentioned, the manga reader sites are actually kinda shady imo considering how much ad revenue they've probably been getting leeching and hitching a free ride off the backs of scanlator groups.
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Wow that sucks, where else can we read manga, I have used that site for awhile and now they shut down sucks!
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I'm not particularly surprised, they've been systematically taking down different mangas for the past year now. Fortunately the only ones I'm still reading are pretty popular and can be found all over the place. RIP OneManga.
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just gonna find another illegal manga website ;D
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I wonder if this will be the dawn of the death of anime and manga, or if it will make anime more marketable? It's honestly difficult to say, as any anime/manga lovers I know generally have no money.
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meh, took me about 3 hours to change all my mangashotokan/OM bookmarks to Mangafox, unixmanga, mangavolume and mangareader. I wanted to use manga.animea more but it seems behind on a lot of what I read =/'
I also bookmarked all the scanlation/translation groups so if all fails I got some pretty heavy backup
god damnit that was long and boring.
oh wait, I still have to do my plan to read list
fml.
it'll wait, it'll wait.
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T_T
I read : Naruto* , Bleach , One piece , D.gray man , Bobobo-bo-bo-bobo , Zetman* , Wolfguy* , Ares , Sora no otoshimono , The world god only knows , Baki son of ogre* , Id* ,Yureka and Beelzebub
And I don't like mangafox
* = mangas I read just beacuse they're so bad
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It's a shame it went down, but it'll be just as easy to find mangas on other sites. New sites will grow to replace the old and the cycle will inevitably continue.
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Rip Onemanga/ Mangeto shotakan.
Fortunately I only like a few mangas. I Can live without T_T
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Nooooo!!!!! but that will save the life of mangaka by support them economicaly
but still fell sad
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anyone have an idea of how lucrative onemanga was anyway? getting so many hits must be worth a lot, right? i've always wondered about how much ad hosting on popular sites is worth, or any other kinda of revenue popular sites can get.
anyways onemanga got me hooked to several manga and this is a sad day indeed. they made a great effort to making a quality site without popups, ads that start talking to you, and other problems that plague almost every other manga site i go to.. mangastream is really nice atm but it only has a few manga.
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On July 23 2010 06:28 jackarage wrote:
Nooooo!!!!! but that will save the life of mangaka by support them economicaly
but still fell sad
No it won't. Shutting down onemanga won't cause foreign readers to suddenly buy manga. Heck, there aren't that many commercially available translations to begin with.
It's not like shutting down these sites will reduce piracy by much anyway. There are many other sources for manga still available. Sites like onemanga are convenient, but overall, not really necessary.
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On July 23 2010 06:28 jackarage wrote:
Nooooo!!!!! but that will save the life of mangaka by support them economicaly
but still fell sad
You mean support the suits economically.
The mangaka will continue to get screwed until the industry changes.
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just add the manga u read onto mangaupdates and then d/l the manga from the actual scanlators... its not that hard to figure out. Plus ur supporting the actual scanlators most of the time instead of some 3rd party mangaviewer. Scanlators actually are the ones doing most of the work after the mangaka.
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noooooo (:< (its a sad smiley) onemanga u will be missed
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i'm pretty active over in the onemanga forums, it's pretty intellectual to a certain extent (depending on which series you're looking at). While it's a shame that OM will be shut down, don't lose hope! The scanlators are still alive and kicking. OM after all was just a host site. One with respect to scanlators though.
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On July 23 2010 05:25 RoosterSamurai wrote:
I wonder if this will be the dawn of the death of anime and manga, or if it will make anime more marketable? It's honestly difficult to say, as any anime/manga lovers I know generally have no money.
The anime industry (Japan's) is already dying a slow death. The dawn of that day happened a while ago. If more companies sign on to things like Crunchyroll as alternate revenue streams (ie actually tapping into the foreign market that wants to see things the day they air in Japan), the damage can probably be curtailed.
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First these American subbing companies stopped Dattebayo from subbing Naruto and Bleach, now they want to stop Onemanga?!?!
Time to migrate once again.........
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NOOOOOOO
Actually, this won't kill piracy at all. Just need to work a little harder on obtaining these things through torrents, IRC, Chinese websites, etc.
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On July 23 2010 07:32 yrba1 wrote:
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First these American subbing companies stopped Dattebayo from subbing Naruto and Bleach, now they want to stop Onemanga?!?!
Time to migrate once again.........
No one stopped Dattebayo. They bowed out voluntarily when official methods for watching subbed Naruto and Bleach on the same day they air in Japan became available.
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Wait! People! Stop posting links to manga scanning sites! What if some stupid person that has internal connections to the Japanese reads this and tells them, and they all get shut down! I say stupid because you can just google it.
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I have internal connections once removed and I assure you they've been aware for a while now!
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hey uh, I haven't read anything but if anyone knows other sites, can you share them so that they can be listed in the OP?
mangatoshkan.com seems good, and I think I misspelled that.
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On July 23 2010 10:00 SilverSkyLark wrote:
hey uh, I haven't read anything but if anyone knows other sites, can you share them so that they can be listed in the OP?
mangatoshkan.com seems good, and I think I misspelled that.
mangareader.net
manga.animea.net
unixmanga.com
mangafox.com
citymanga.com
mangastream.com
Those are all the ones already listed in this thread. I may have missed some.
I feel like manga publishers have just taken away my favorite TV remote. Now it's like I have to actually get up and press the up and down buttons on the TV itself over and over to get to the shows I want to see.
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To be honest, this is kinda like the big scare the anime comunity had a while back. Until it just sorta passed and they realized shuting down a billion sites wont do a thing. Now anime is streamed for free in some cases supported by ads and such.
In stead of making this into a "is this the end of manga" situation, it might turn out like anime and manga publishers will find new ways to recouping revenue while keeping fans happy.
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mangastream is one of my favourite, plus they post theirs extremely fast. This doesn't have me worried, remember when everyone went into mass hysteria about the same thing happening with Anime? Publishers will learn that if they stop all access to it online (HAHA) they'll lose out on sales. A lot of people read the scanlations because they want to know as soon as they can. Which for our society now is pretty much the normal.
If they were smart, they'd do the same type of thing as the anime world with putting certain anime's up on places like CR with manga that would be scanlated and translated into english on a fast scale. I know I personally would pay for a service like that, baring the price obviously.
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On July 23 2010 07:39 aers wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 07:32 yrba1 wrote:
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First these American subbing companies stopped Dattebayo from subbing Naruto and Bleach, now they want to stop Onemanga?!?!
Time to migrate once again......... No one stopped Dattebayo. They bowed out voluntarily when official methods for watching subbed Naruto and Bleach on the same day they air in Japan became available.
Yea but the subs the officials on hulu/crunchyroll provide only come out A WEEK + after an episode's official release date (unless you pay then you'll have access to the episodes a few moments after Japan airs them) and even though they're able to provide good, accurate English to Japanese translations they still don't provide the good dialogue Dattebayo uses as well as the intro/outro karaoke feel... Well I guess I shouldn't care really since Anime44.com provides us with immediate subs and even though they're mediocre, guess it's better than nothing.
Anyways, oh how the wonders of capitalism today like to ruin the fun of things such as fansubbing and scanlations when it really provides them a better fan audience but I guess even then it won't stop so I guess most of us should be happy on that part. Are there any other scanlation sites that will provide Naruto and Bleach chapters since onemanga is down?
Edit: Found mangastream, *adds to bookmarks*
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Yea but the subs the officials on hulu/crunchyroll provide only come out A WEEK + after an episode's official release date (unless you pay then you'll have access to the episodes a few moments after Japan airs them) and even though they're able to provide good, accurate English to Japanese translations they still don't provide the good dialogue Dattebayo uses as well as the intro/outro karaoke feel... Well I guess I shouldn't care really since Anime44.com provides us with immediate subs and even though they're mediocre, guess it's better than nothing.
Well yes. The consequences of 1) legitimizing anime acquisition and 2) supporting the industry is that you have to pay for immediate releases. Frankly I'm amazed they even offer it for free after a week.
Karaoke is useless. The people Crunchyroll pays to sub their stuff are ex-fansubbers and I don't see how their editors could be that much worse than Dattebayo's.
I don't know what Anime44.com is but I'd give them about a 99% chance of being a re-hosting site that takes CR rips; they do nothing themselves.
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Go media industry take away a service that you provide poorly or not at all claiming that it hurts your business, when the business model you have set up is so out of touch with your base audience.
Although i do think one manga should have set up a regional thing base viewing on where you live and mangas in that area that are available, to avoid any debacle that or only display a month or twos work at any given time instead of the whole series.
But frankly that sounds like a ton of work for a fan site.
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At least i finished fma, and there will be undoubtedly a mass download torrenting thing going on.
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On July 23 2010 10:00 SilverSkyLark wrote:
hey uh, I haven't read anything but if anyone knows other sites, can you share them so that they can be listed in the OP?
mangatoshkan.com seems good, and I think I misspelled that.
Mangatoshokan actually got all their stuff taken down before onemanga.
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On July 23 2010 10:17 yrba1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 07:39 aers wrote:On July 23 2010 07:32 yrba1 wrote:
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First these American subbing companies stopped Dattebayo from subbing Naruto and Bleach, now they want to stop Onemanga?!?!
Time to migrate once again......... No one stopped Dattebayo. They bowed out voluntarily when official methods for watching subbed Naruto and Bleach on the same day they air in Japan became available. Yea but the subs the officials on hulu/crunchyroll provide only come out A WEEK + after an episode's official release date (unless you pay then you'll have access to the episodes a few moments after Japan airs them) and even though they're able to provide good, accurate English to Japanese translations they still don't provide the good dialogue Dattebayo uses as well as the intro/outro karaoke feel... Well I guess I shouldn't care really since Anime44.com provides us with immediate subs and even though they're mediocre, guess it's better than nothing. Anyways, oh how the wonders of capitalism today like to ruin the fun of things such as fansubbing and scanlations when it really provides them a better fan audience but I guess even then it won't stop so I guess most of us should be happy on that part. Are there any other scanlation sites that will provide Naruto and Bleach chapters since onemanga is down? Edit: Found mangastream, *adds to bookmarks*
Dont give anime44 any credit for any of the subbing. They just rehost stuff like the million other sites out there that do the same.
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WHAT! Don't tell me I have to go through mangafox and all of their damn shoujo and yiao to get to my favourite mangas! NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!
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On July 23 2010 11:40 lone_hydra wrote:
WHAT! Don't tell me I have to go through mangafox and all of their damn shoujo and yiao to get to my favourite mangas! NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!
What's wrong with shoujo? T.T
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On July 23 2010 11:47 Spazer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 11:40 lone_hydra wrote:
WHAT! Don't tell me I have to go through mangafox and all of their damn shoujo and yiao to get to my favourite mangas! NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! What's wrong with shoujo? T.T
shoujo is good for you.
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I read enough series there to think that they have a point shutting it down lol :S
That website was the gem of the English-speaking manga readers worldwide. Good layout, good forum, clean translations, sh!tload of series.... and the list goes on. It will be missed.
I do think it's gonna turn into another piratebay fiasco (although not as universal) where everyone would actually contributes to the cause and force the law back. I hope it happens. And to be frank, those websites are the closest thing to advertising the foreign manga industry ever had; i wouldn't know about 1/10 of those series if it wasn't for them. Some of those previously unknown series are actually amazing too, like Hajime no Ippo.
Alternatively, the "official" anime/manga translators can just do their fucking job and keep shit fresh and updated. I'll rather learn Japanese to read mangas myself than to wait a year for those asshats to get around translating the current stuff.
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Well there are also things like series that will never come to your region, in which case you need to find an official import that is in your language.
I mean i have no qualms about me watching one piece or Detective Conan in America because all the later episodes will probably never be licensed here and so it would be rather hard for me to find out if i can import a Japanese dvd then hope it has English subtitles and works with my region code.
Although ionno so much about mangas, i'm sure non popular mangas can be alot harder to find.
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Mangatoshokan was the best before it fell a couple weeks ago. I moved on to onemanga. Now its dead. Im sure mangafox will follow shortly after. Just gonna have to go strait to scanlators now I suppose.
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noooo this suckssss. seems like a lot of free stuff sites are falling >.<
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R.I.P. OneManga, the best site to read manga, ever. I will miss you dearly, checking you for updates on a daily basis. Basically all the 22 mangas I read or have read have been on that site! It was my first manga site and the best I could find. The UI was excellent, clear and really easy to use =(. At least the forums will stay, although I don't participate in discussions there, I do enjoy reading them T.T
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On July 22 2010 18:14 thedeadhaji wrote:
I can seriously go on and on about how fucked up and out of touch japanese industry is, but I'll summarize is with this.
Japanese industry tries incredibly hard to maintain the rules of the "old game" (ie the way things used to work). They refuse to innovate and adapt to the new technologies and consumer expectations that have become prevalent in the world. Instead of embracing digital media, they choose to stop its proliferation by any means possible. If I were in charge, I would do everything I could to make it as easy as possible to access and consume globally in a legal manner.
you have 26000+ posts for a reason, jeez Haji you crazy.
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On July 23 2010 12:07 SwEEt[TearS] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 11:47 Spazer wrote:On July 23 2010 11:40 lone_hydra wrote:
WHAT! Don't tell me I have to go through mangafox and all of their damn shoujo and yiao to get to my favourite mangas! NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! What's wrong with shoujo? T.T shoujo is good for you.
Blasphemy.
Shoujo artwork burns my eyes!
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when i found out i rage quit my internet browser :p ... but seriously.. it is a huge hit.
EDIT: I dont think manga stream will be closed down (gets it before anywhere else) becuase they dont keep more then like 4-5 weeks on their server...
Also.. i have 2 tattoo's... the cursed seal from Naruto,... and the word 'fart' on my ass (drunk when i got this)... i live for manga.
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Using mangafox for now, but i wont be surprised if thats the next one on the list
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well fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck me
they had a great fucking chrome extension and a great app for my android phone
goddamit now I have to use shitty mangastream fuck me
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Onemanga just died
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RIP my most used manga site
anime will never be the same
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Awwww, now where am I supposed to get my managa fix? Guess I'll try mangareader 1st ._.
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I've been kind of lazy now that OM is gone, but what are everyone's alternatives to OM now? As in what is the biggest manga site now that OM is gone with the largest selection. I know about some sites just curious what everyone is using if there is no definitive biggest site.
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On August 22 2010 13:23 BlackMagister wrote:
I've been kind of lazy now that OM is gone, but what are everyone's alternatives to OM now? As in what is the biggest manga site now that OM is gone with the largest selection. I know about some sites just curious what everyone is using if there is no definitive biggest site.
I still use a few but thats for my special manga and really popular ones which can be found anywhere. Onemanga still updates their list so what you can do is check who scanlated that chapter and then google that group for whatever mangas you want.
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Very sad to see it closed down but there's many other alternative sites like Delicious Manga
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On October 23 2010 11:30 MangaChan wrote:Very sad to see it closed down but there's many other alternative sites like Delicious Manga
Please don't necro old threads.
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EPT
