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Epsilon8
Canada173 Posts
On July 17 2010 05:56 Win.win wrote: ok, i don't disagree with that. well, i don't agree that random is the appropriate word to use there, but understood anyway. Yes, I know. Sorry about that. I wrote the responses quick without as much thought as I usually do. | ||
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TeWy
France714 Posts
What is the point of life ? Tell me what you mean by "point", and I will tell you if life has any of it. A lot of bad philosophers like to lose their time disserting on the multiple definitions of a given word. What can bring you lasting happiness ? Alcool, drugs, women, serenity. What are your most important values ? Humor, intelligence, empathy, bravery. What is good and what is evil ? See my first point. You need to first define "good" and "evil" and the answer to your question will become obvious. To me "good" and "evil", are just empty words used to describe what the majority of a given group of people like/dislike for various reasons. What is Wisdom ? Wisdom is an empty word used to describe an attitude towards life which seems noble to certain people. To me a wise guy is someone who is never really surprised and who always make the best of any situation. | ||
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Maji
Australia82 Posts
Well seems we have some operatives 'thinks of matrix agents' here trying to keep you all a sleep gl in future gonna need it, thread put in general speaking of what really going on in world put into a video format so it easy for people understand removed right away without even one person checking it out. Gl in future what coming most you deserve it dont complain to those who tryed to warn you just like the message in movie V vedetta, you only have yourself to blame. lack of thinking by people is astonishing, to those who do think continue your doing well rest are doomed let them see that. | ||
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Yurebis
United States1452 Posts
On July 18 2010 07:23 Maji wrote: read the new thread ive posted watch the video wake up people... Well seems we have some operatives 'thinks of matrix agents' here trying to keep you all a sleep gl in future gonna need it, thread put in general speaking of what really going on in world put into a video format so it easy for people understand removed right away without even one person checking it out. Gl in future what coming most you deserve it dont complain to those who tryed to warn you just like the message in movie V vedetta, you only have yourself to blame. lack of thinking by people is astonishing, to those who do think continue your doing well rest are doomed let them see that. Maji I sympathize with you because with my conspiratorial background I could have went the same way. Only my distaste in empiricism held me back. It just so happens that the people who are asleep aren't asleep, they just do not credit the same pieces of information that you do. That is just the way induction works. You have assembled a puzzle with so little parts and may be convinced of the whole picture already, right or wrong. But even if right, it is not people's ignorance that is keeping them from seeing what you see. It is your puzzle. So when people object to you, and trash on your inferences, don't take it that way. They're not chills, they're not sheep. Keep working on your puzzle, and let the merits of your arguments be recognized by their truth value. If it's really true, then truth shall out. | ||
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Gnosis
Scotland912 Posts
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On July 18 2010 11:00 Gnosis wrote: Epsilon, I'll post a reply to you tomorrow (just to let you know I haven't forgotten). Maji, I heard you said that the teachings of Jesus have been corrupted. [...] would you be willing to dialogue with me concerning the teachings of Jesus, and of their corruption (as you claim)? changed my mind, im too lazy As I'm already dialoging with Epsilon concerning Buddhism, can I ask where this dialogue starts? I checked the last couple pages, but you guys don't seem to be discussing buddhism anymore. I am assuming the conversation evolved. But I don't want to search through the past pages. | ||
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Gnarg
Netherlands165 Posts
I think it is safe to say that no one understands deep physics :p. What we call the current "science" are just the theories that most easily explain the current experimental values. Every scientist should know that better theories will come, and that the truth is far out of reach. But that's the beauty of science, always improving. Just my 2 ct's. Im not that educated in physics but I love the subject  . | ||
KwarK
United States42570 Posts
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Gnosis
Scotland912 Posts
On July 18 2010 11:16 travis wrote: changed my mind, im too lazy can I ask where this dialogue starts? I checked the last couple pages, but you guys don't seem to be discussing buddhism anymore. I am assuming the conversation evolved. But I don't want to search through the past pages. If you don't mind my asking, changed your mind concerning what? As for my conversation with Epsilon, yes, it has evolved. The first post is here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=136042¤tpage=3#51 (about half way down the page). At least it's the case that we're discussing Buddhism as Epsilon has presented it. I believe we've only gone over very basic things, though they've been new(ish) to me. | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2537 Posts
Implying there is one, the point of life is probably to maintain and expand itself. Since we tend to see things in a cause and effect-like perspective, (or reason and action) we tend to think that there is a big mystery waiting to be discovered behind our existence. Well we're humans because we evolved to be so, but as for the reason behind the universe, I don't think there is one. If you think about existence in the cause and effect line of thinking then you're bound to eventually discover that every cause must have a cause as well. That being said, this mystery goes along nicely with the age old question of what holds up the earth (the answer being "elephants all the way down"). And that's just plain silly. What can bring you lasting happiness? Health wealth and love? Well more like physical well being, power and respect, and satisfying emotional connections. Which all becomes physical and mental well being, which is just well being in general. And that simply simplifies to being well off which translates to happiness. What are your most important values? Well not really a philosophical question since it's really just you. So I guess a more generalized version would be: What are the most important values for a human?. Seeing as how humans' main goal is survival (as a race) I would say they would be generosity, mercy, integrity, and strive. What is good and what is evil? What makes you feel good = "good", what makes you feel bad = "bad". Not universal constants but are usually pretty distinguished for communities of people as a whole. However, everybody is different so everyone has a slightly different definition than the current standard. What is Wisdom? Relatively great amounts of knowledge either one single field, or many. | ||
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Gnosis
Scotland912 Posts
[B]On July 18 2010 12:15 Hyperbola wrote: What is Wisdom? Relatively great amounts of knowledge either one single field, or many. As I haven't actually answered the OP's questions, I'll take a stab at this answer - sorry for using you as an example, Hyperbola. I have to disagree in part. I don't believe wisdom is necessarily reflective of knowledge (that is, depending on the individual, wisdom does not necessarily require a vast amount of knowledge), or that having "...great amounts of knowledge" means that one is wise by default. It only means, by virtue of the fact that one has great amounts of knowledge, that one has... a great amount of knowledge. What one does with that knowledge is, I think, closer to what wisdom is - the application of knowledge. For instance, having knowledge of one's lack of knowledge is, in the case of Socrates, the reason for his being a very wise man (according to a certain Delphic oracle). | ||
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Maji
Australia82 Posts
On July 18 2010 11:00 Gnosis wrote: Epsilon, I'll post a reply to you tomorrow (just to let you know I haven't forgotten). Maji, I heard you said that the teachings of Jesus have been corrupted. As I'm already dialoging with Epsilon concerning Buddhism, would you be willing to dialogue with me concerning the teachings of Jesus, and of their corruption (as you claim)? Yes you may discourse, the original teachings of Christ held secrets to sacred geometry simlar to the japnese technique of Reiki, in past these teaching where known as palochristanity within the believe system it held that pathogens were related to demonic energys and through specific tecnhniques and natural herds as well could be exocised, it also was about learning to work as networks sharing information and learning from one another to complete a greater task, but main message was always brotherly love which if the original teachings of Christ had been available today people would re-develop techno-spirituality which is what humanity truely needs to survive the coming years ahead. Adonai bless | ||
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Maji
Australia82 Posts
On July 18 2010 10:06 Yurebis wrote: Maji I sympathize with you because with my conspiratorial background I could have went the same way. Only my distaste in empiricism held me back. It just so happens that the people who are asleep aren't asleep, they just do not credit the same pieces of information that you do. That is just the way induction works. You have assembled a puzzle with so little parts and may be convinced of the whole picture already, right or wrong. But even if right, it is not people's ignorance that is keeping them from seeing what you see. It is your puzzle. So when people object to you, and trash on your inferences, don't take it that way. They're not chills, they're not sheep. Keep working on your puzzle, and let the merits of your arguments be recognized by their truth value. If it's really true, then truth shall out. It is there ignorance to not question therefore remain asleep, there response to you, you should realize that you dont have to accept it, they have no call in how they treat the whiskle blowers cause they are only trying to help infact every single person who flames a whiskle blower just doomed themself. You know if you have done your homework the serious times ahead and what has been already happened and real reasons behind it, you also if did further research may realize what this reality really is and the amount of control people are under, people dont even question there 'Likes' what if peoples obsession for Starcraft for instance is a installed program in itself that is a good example of how deep the hypnosis of this world has gone, not only can they infuelence your likes but they can infuelence who you love. Adonai bless | ||
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rockslave
Brazil318 Posts
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RolleMcKnolle
Germany1054 Posts
I read about 3 posts and none of them was at least a bit "philosophy". Its like ppl think: "oh philosophy, lets just write a wall of text with complete absence of reason, filled with my biases, beliefs and shit, no one can argue against it and so they are true. Coz if they argue Im just gonna tell em my other beliefs and they are TRUMP." Sorry but philosophy is something completely different, besides having, in special occasions, the same questions. | ||
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GrazerRinge
999 Posts
Race: Protoss What is the point of life ? - "For Aiur!" What can bring you lasting happiness ? - "For Aiur!" What are your most important values ? - "For Aiur!" What is good and what is evil ? - "For Aiur! What is Wisdom ? - For Aiur! (O__O) .............. What's your name? - "For Aiur!" | ||
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Hollow
Canada2180 Posts
To live, what else? What can bring you lasting happiness ? Tranquility through virtue (in the ancient sense of the word). What are your most important values ? Courage, fidelity, fairness, and honesty, plus the mental ability to make wise moral choices. What is good and what is evil ? Things that must be felt by man before they have reality. What is Wisdom ? Wisdom is in the realization of the mysterious incomprehensibility of all things. Whoever the designer, he is the generator, and all the partial disclosures of our knowledge prove this. I find it difficult to recognize my own part in anything. Wisdom's pre-requisite is to distinguish what we accept as true, from what is true for us. | ||
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Apolo
Portugal1259 Posts
On July 17 2010 05:34 Epsilon8 wrote: But if 'energy' can take different forms then what is energy to begin with? And if energy is movement then how does energy become matter? If you don't like those definitions i gave, another broader definition is the ability to do work. For the second question i'd suggest asking that to a professor on a university. On July 17 2010 05:34 Epsilon8 wrote: I am saying we should get rid of the idea of that science in its current form can accurately describe reality. What you're talking seems to be related about is the problem of induction, so I'd reccomend you look it up and also read Asimov's The Relativity of Wrong, can be found online, it's a short story. Basically says how science has been improving, and how facts we now think are wrong, are not totally wrong, but just with some details missing. That as science progresses and gathers and analyzes more data what we know gets more refined and more accurate, so many things people "knew" with the few simple methos and observations a few centuries ago, were not 100% wrong. The more science advances the closer to 100% it gets. It's not a one time job. Anyway, he explains it better than me. Also, what does science mean by accuracy? Usually: the degree of conformity of predictions to experience. And I think being able to predict future phenomena tells us we know something about reality. On July 17 2010 05:34 Epsilon8 wrote:What science must do is prove its underlying assumptions before it can be said to accurately describe reality. I am not saying science is not useful, nor that it has not helped to make many things possible or describe how many things work. But just as you can describe how a computer works by taking 8 different buckets and saying an empty bucket is 0 and a full bucket is 1 does not mean that this is the way the computer is. It is merely a description of how the computer works. But do you know what are sciences' assumptions? Science starts from the assumption that things are knowable. If you don't make that assumption, you can't apply reasoning and there would be no point in trying to describe things scientifically. After that, that things exist and are somehow describable. Again, without these 2 assumptions, you can't reason any knowledge about anything, because 1) they couldn't be known; 2) they wouldn't exist; 3) they coudln't be described. The best we could do, I think, is to say that scientific descriptions of some phenomena are very accurate and that their accuracy is a strong indication that some things are knowable. So as far as that goes, I'd say science can describe some elements of reality. But there are a lot of ways to describe reality and the physical laws of the universe are not the only way to do it. Concerning the computer metaphor, isn't knowing how a computer works, part of knowing what it is? How can you know what a computer truly is if you don't know how it works and vice versa? Btw, i'd like to ask you to define reality, and how does that fit the place you live in. | ||
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Gnosis
Scotland912 Posts
On July 18 2010 19:04 Maji wrote: Yes you may discourse, the original teachings of Christ held secrets to sacred geometry simlar to the japnese technique of Reiki, in past these teaching where known as palochristanity within the believe system it held that pathogens were related to demonic energys and through specific tecnhniques and natural herds as well could be exocised, it also was about learning to work as networks sharing information and learning from one another to complete a greater task, but main message was always brotherly love which if the original teachings of Christ had been available today people would re-develop techno-spirituality which is what humanity truely needs to survive the coming years ahead. Adonai bless Interesting, I've never heard this before... What are your sources? On July 18 2010 19:41 RolleMcKnolle wrote: hju, these threads always suck^^ I read about 3 posts and none of them was at least a bit "philosophy". Its like ppl think: "oh philosophy, lets just write a wall of text with complete absence of reason, filled with my biases, beliefs and shit, no one can argue against it and so they are true. Coz if they argue Im just gonna tell em my other beliefs and they are TRUMP." Sorry but philosophy is something completely different, besides having, in special occasions, the same questions. Oh the irony... | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On July 18 2010 12:10 Gnosis wrote: If you don't mind my asking, changed your mind concerning what? As for my conversation with Epsilon, yes, it has evolved. The first post is here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=136042¤tpage=3#51 (about half way down the page). At least it's the case that we're discussing Buddhism as Epsilon has presented it. I believe we've only gone over very basic things, though they've been new(ish) to me. I was going to offer to take you up on that dialogue. But I changed my mind about it. But Maybe I'll discuss it some anyways. To me it's clear that his teachings were corrupted. The bible is supposed to be based on his teachings. But the new testament is written by people who never even knew him. Hell, the fact that jesus didn't write the bible and it has stories in it should be enough evidence that the bible isn't the teachings of jesus, and thus neither is Christianity in any of it's forms. Jesus didn't write those stories, jesus didn't teach those lessons. Those lessons are written by other men. I mean honestly, the bible is bullshit. Anyone with a brain and reading comprehension can see it. And I assure you, if Jesus was real and had the following he did, he didn't walk around teaching that kind of bullshit. | ||
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