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Badjas
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Netherlands2038 Posts
July 11 2010 21:52 GMT
#161
As a programmer I crave the thought of having a finished product. And a happy end user. From there is the motivation to work on the right stuff and implement it up to par.

And when I was younger, I was motivated sometimes by learning a new trick, or trying out a gameplay idea, being intrigued by things you see. If you're curious and have the right mentality you will have an enjoyable time learning to program. You'll hit a brick wall though if you want to write your operating system as a first foray. If you're older and have high expectations of your abilities, you can be much more easily frustrated than if you're a kid who is already fascinated by lights blinking at a constant rate. The internet provides all you need to learn to program but classes help to speed up learning.
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SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21552 Posts
July 11 2010 21:57 GMT
#162
On July 12 2010 06:02 xLethargicax wrote:
I've always wanted to learn a programming language. Whenever I seem to try from an internet source or a book, I just get so bored.

The prospect of programming excites me, but I feel like there is no way for me to learn except for a class. Do you programmers just crave the thought of learning a language? or is it more enjoying the product?

Will I ever be a programmer =[[[[[[[[[?

Try fiddling around with some existing code (something simple) in whatever language you want to learn. Just start out making one small change at a time and see if it has the effect you expect (which is usually breaking it in an interesting way :p). You should be able to figure out what each piece of code does (use a reference for the more difficult stuff) and learn the basic syntax of the language pretty quickly.
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catamorphist
Profile Joined May 2010
United States297 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-11 21:58:41
July 11 2010 21:57 GMT
#163
Yeah, I would add that it's almost impossible for a beginner to sit down for a few hours and try to do something programming-related and "fail." There's such a big world of stuff that if you reflect back on your few hours, you'll realize that you have really learned some cool, concrete things, even if you didn't do what you were trying to do. If you put in the time, you will learn, no matter what you are putting in the time doing. So don't overthink it -- just work. Or don't.
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Adeny
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway1233 Posts
July 11 2010 22:04 GMT
#164
So, I've decided to check out what's up in the .NET world, and coming from C++, it only seems natural to start at C#. So if you've been through the procces of filtering through online tutorials and sites, maybe you could throw me a hand in helping me pick the better resources?
Epsilon8
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada173 Posts
July 11 2010 22:07 GMT
#165
On July 12 2010 07:04 Adeny wrote:
So, I've decided to check out what's up in the .NET world, and coming from C++, it only seems natural to start at C#. So if you've been through the procces of filtering through online tutorials and sites, maybe you could throw me a hand in helping me pick the better resources?


.Net is superb. You might want to check out the MSDN forums for information and I'm not 100 % sure but I believe Microsoft has tutorials on that site as well. If not its still the best repository of information and examples available.

Plus since its Microsoft you never have to worry about correctness or if the code is out of date. : P

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catamorphist
Profile Joined May 2010
United States297 Posts
July 11 2010 22:18 GMT
#166
On July 12 2010 07:04 Adeny wrote:
Plus since its Microsoft you never have to worry about correctness or if the code is out of date. : P


No idea what you mean here -- there's a lot of very crufty old (pre-generics) .NET code out there, much of it written by Microsoft.

I write C# in my day job. Here are the generally most awesome C# resources I know of:

http://stackoverflow.com - very C#-oriented, pretty much has a question about everything at this point, does a good job of bubbling good answers to the top.

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ericlippert/ - Lippert is on the C# compiler team and knows about every little corner case in the language. A ton of reasonably thought-provoking C# posts.

http://community.bartdesmet.net/blogs/bart/default.aspx - Also a lot of interesting in-depth C# and .NET material.

http://ayende.com/Blog/ - Likewise, although with a general focus on data access.
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Epsilon8
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada173 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-11 22:33:19
July 11 2010 22:31 GMT
#167
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 12 2010 07:18 catamorphist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2010 07:04 Adeny wrote:
Plus since its Microsoft you never have to worry about correctness or if the code is out of date. : P


No idea what you mean here -- there's a lot of very crufty old (pre-generics) .NET code out there, much of it written by Microsoft.

I write C# in my day job. Here are the generally most awesome C# resources I know of:

http://stackoverflow.com - very C#-oriented, pretty much has a question about everything at this point, does a good job of bubbling good answers to the top.

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ericlippert/ - Lippert is on the C# compiler team and knows about every little corner case in the language. A ton of reasonably thought-provoking C# posts.

http://community.bartdesmet.net/blogs/bart/default.aspx - Also a lot of interesting in-depth C# and .NET material.

http://ayende.com/Blog/ - Likewise, although with a general focus on data access.


Sorry that was a bit ambiguous. If it is crusty old code on MSDN it is marked; MSDN code examples have the version to which the example is applicable. MSDN has been very helpful to me personally : P. I'm not saying thats the only site I've used over the years but it is the main one that I have always had success with.
If you wish to travel far and fast, travel light. Take off all your envies, jealousies, unforgiveness, selfishness, and fears.
saluber
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States22 Posts
July 12 2010 01:08 GMT
#168
This is a good idea. I do artificial intelligence research at my university and one of our projects right now is a StarCraft AI built off the BWAPI Project on Google Code. Anyone else a bot developer?
En Taro Adun :)
jgad
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada899 Posts
July 12 2010 01:35 GMT
#169
On July 12 2010 07:18 catamorphist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2010 07:04 Adeny wrote:
Plus since its Microsoft you never have to worry about correctness or if the code is out of date. : P


No idea what you mean here -- there's a lot of very crufty old (pre-generics) .NET code out there, much of it written by Microsoft.

I write C# in my day job. Here are the generally most awesome C# resources I know of:

http://stackoverflow.com - very C#-oriented, pretty much has a question about everything at this point, does a good job of bubbling good answers to the top.


Stack Overflow is much more than just C# oriented - it's a treasure trove for just about any language. Chances are that if you have a question about any language someone there will have an answer for you. Thumbs up for Stack Overflow, indeed.
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Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
July 12 2010 01:37 GMT
#170
Well I'm learning C++ sorta right now, will post here if there's anything I need help with.
Adeny
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway1233 Posts
July 12 2010 09:09 GMT
#171
On July 12 2010 07:18 catamorphist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2010 07:04 Adeny wrote:
Plus since its Microsoft you never have to worry about correctness or if the code is out of date. : P



I have no idea how you did that, but you quoted the wrong guy, heh.
BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
July 12 2010 09:11 GMT
#172
li = ['this', 'is', 'sparta']
print ['i' in i for i in li]

I don't know whether to love or hate Python.
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BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
July 12 2010 09:22 GMT
#173
On July 12 2010 06:02 xLethargicax wrote:
I've always wanted to learn a programming language. Whenever I seem to try from an internet source or a book, I just get so bored.

The prospect of programming excites me, but I feel like there is no way for me to learn except for a class. Do you programmers just crave the thought of learning a language? or is it more enjoying the product?

Will I ever be a programmer =[[[[[[[[[?


Learning from scratch unless you have a clear goal before you is one of the hardest things to do.

Really, set a simple goal. Like:
1) Make a calculator (boring).
2) Make a Tetris clone (somewhat boring, but can be fun).
3) Make a web app that does something you need.

Learning in the context of something you need is much more fun and easy. It's just a change of a viewpoint. Time after time, you encounter routine tasks when working with a computer. You can call yourself a programmer if time after time something clicks in your brain whispering: "There is no need to do this shit manually, a program can do that for me". I started from .bat scripting and grep. Yep, it's no big deal, but I really needed something to help me find relevant info in 4 MB text files. Then, I needed something to organize that info so that my work with those files would turn into running "log_parser.py" and emailing someone the results. Then, all of a sudden, I realized that I'm actually using REGEXP alot and can write applications that abuse it. The examples are limitless.

Another good way to get into the shit is modding games (at least for people involved into TL.net since most of us are gamers). I started with simple triggers in StarEdit. Then, complex triggers in StarEdit. Then, alot of Lua scripting in King's Bounty: The Legend. Then, once again, all of a sudden I know Lua like if I was born a scripter.

It's not hard, just change your mindset. There are limitless tasks that can be solved through programming. As soon as you have a goal, you learn fast and efficient.
You want 20 good men, but you need a bad pussy.
LuckyLuke43
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway169 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-12 14:32:30
July 12 2010 12:41 GMT
#174
I've got a really strange problem, that I could use some help with.
I've been googling for literally an hour straight today, and I googled last night before bed too.

The problem is that cmd.exe _and_ command.com is opening realllly slow. it takes like 5-7 seconds to open. Sure, compiling from MSV this is understandable, but it even happens if I run either command from 'run'. With MSV open or closed, doesn't matter apparently.

This is puzzling to me. What would make this happen, and maybe even more puzzling; why??

Any thoughts?

thanks<3

Edit: I know this strictly isn't programming.. but in order to continue programming and keep spamming you guys with newbie programming questions, I need it fixed
Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure.
kar1181
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom515 Posts
July 12 2010 13:08 GMT
#175
Programming related, has anyone played around with battle.net 2.0 much, like in terms of getting game stats and the like out of it? Sadly, I'm not sure if Blizz is going to provide any sort of API to do it.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
July 12 2010 13:36 GMT
#176
Someone had a program that was pulling division stats out and uploading them, but I haven't seen anything else.
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Adeny
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway1233 Posts
July 12 2010 15:00 GMT
#177
C# question time!
in C++ i would do this: if (a[i] == b[ii]). However in C# I'm sitting on two arraylists (whatever the hell that is), and I want to loop through both of them the way you'd solved one of the bike-locks with codes... 001, 002, 003 etc. which I'd usually do by nesting for loops, i < 9, ii < 9 and so on... I don't know if I'm making any sense. Let's try again, what I'm looking for is a replacement to this, but with arraylists;

for (int i = 0; i < 9; i++)
{
for (int ii = 0; ii < 9; ii++)
{
if (arrayA[i] == arrayB[ii])
return true;
}
}
AssuredVacancy
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1167 Posts
July 12 2010 15:06 GMT
#178
On July 13 2010 00:00 Adeny wrote:
C# question time!
in C++ i would do this: if (a[i] == b[ii]). However in C# I'm sitting on two arraylists (whatever the hell that is), and I want to loop through both of them the way you'd solved one of the bike-locks with codes... 001, 002, 003 etc. which I'd usually do by nesting for loops, i < 9, ii < 9 and so on... I don't know if I'm making any sense. Let's try again, what I'm looking for is a replacement to this, but with arraylists;

for (int i = 0; i < 9; i++)
{
for (int ii = 0; ii < 9; ii++)
{
if (arrayA[i] == arrayB[ii])
return true;
}
}


Dunno the syntax in C#, but in java it's

ArrayList a = new ArrayList();
a.get(i);//gets the element at i
a.set(i);//sets the element at i

Although most of the time you could just use an iterator to loop through the items using a for each loop.
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MasterOfChaos
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Germany2896 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-12 15:19:08
July 12 2010 15:08 GMT
#179
That code looks like perfectly valid C#.
But why would you use a non generic container like ArrayList? Use the generic List<T>. If you are not using a generic list the contents are regarded as object, which means that == checks reference equality and ignores overloaded equality operators.
I don't like the style too much though. I'd use foreach loops in this case. Or if you want to do it without loops just use linq.
For example:
return arrayA.Intersect(arrayB).Count()>0

this one doesn't support early out though since Count() evaluates the hole sequence.

And to learn C# get the language standard. It contains a chapter which describes most of C# in a compact way.
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TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-12 15:15:53
July 12 2010 15:14 GMT
#180
On July 13 2010 00:00 Adeny wrote:
C# question time!
in C++ i would do this: if (a[i] == b[ii]). However in C# I'm sitting on two arraylists (whatever the hell that is), and I want to loop through both of them the way you'd solved one of the bike-locks with codes... 001, 002, 003 etc. which I'd usually do by nesting for loops, i < 9, ii < 9 and so on... I don't know if I'm making any sense. Let's try again, what I'm looking for is a replacement to this, but with arraylists;

for (int i = 0; i < 9; i++)
{
for (int ii = 0; ii < 9; ii++)
{
if (arrayA[i] == arrayB[ii])
return true;
}
}


I think that's done with a foreach keyword, but this doesn't stop at 9 but goes through the whole arrayList - longer or shorter.

foreach (int i in arrayA)
{
foreach (int ii in arrayB)
{
if (i == ii)
return true;
}
}


as for your original syntax it might be valid as well. It depends on what is in your arrayList.
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