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Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-08 23:18:05
February 08 2017 23:12 GMT
#16761
On February 09 2017 08:07 Artesimo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2017 07:45 Manit0u wrote:
Just compare the code. In your example plenty of things could go wrong. You could go out of transaction scope unexpectedly, you make two commits for a single change operation, etc.

Bonus question: What would happen to the original code if no object was fetched from the db?

I'm not entirely sure why they're assigning you such questions. I would personally use a hatchet on anyone trying to push code like that.


Yeah, which is why I was asking in here... I am not really sure what exactly the point of the question is. I am pretty sure they are looking for one/two very specific answers but I am just not sure...

About the bonus question: I assume since there hasn't been fetched an actual object from the DB, the entity is empty and you would get some kind of error since you are calling a non static function (setName) in a static enviroment?


The point of the question was ensuring if you knew why the databases are transactional and what are the errors that occur if they're used non-transactionally. Sometimes it's the too-obvious answer.

For the bonus I don't believe static has to do with anything here.
There is no one like you in the universe.
Artesimo
Profile Joined February 2015
Germany571 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-08 23:25:37
February 08 2017 23:24 GMT
#16762
On February 09 2017 08:12 Blisse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2017 08:07 Artesimo wrote:
On February 09 2017 07:45 Manit0u wrote:
Just compare the code. In your example plenty of things could go wrong. You could go out of transaction scope unexpectedly, you make two commits for a single change operation, etc.

Bonus question: What would happen to the original code if no object was fetched from the db?

I'm not entirely sure why they're assigning you such questions. I would personally use a hatchet on anyone trying to push code like that.


Yeah, which is why I was asking in here... I am not really sure what exactly the point of the question is. I am pretty sure they are looking for one/two very specific answers but I am just not sure...

About the bonus question: I assume since there hasn't been fetched an actual object from the DB, the entity is empty and you would get some kind of error since you are calling a non static function (setName) in a static enviroment?


The point of the question was ensuring if you knew why the databases are transactional and what are the errors that occur if they're used non-transactionally. Sometimes it's the too-obvious answer.

For the bonus I don't believe static has to do with anything here.


You can call a static funtcion without an actual entity, and you can call a function that doesn't affect the attributes of an object (like a simple print) even if the variable doesn't contain the object yet.

RandomClass x = null;
x.JustPrintsHello();//works
x.getSomeAttribute();//doesn't work;


EDIT: I might be wrong though, but I am sure I had the exact error in my code once and that static/dynamic error message was handed to me by glorious netbeans
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-08 23:39:41
February 08 2017 23:30 GMT
#16763
On February 09 2017 08:07 Artesimo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2017 07:45 Manit0u wrote:
Just compare the code. In your example plenty of things could go wrong. You could go out of transaction scope unexpectedly, you make two commits for a single change operation, etc.

Bonus question: What would happen to the original code if no object was fetched from the db?

I'm not entirely sure why they're assigning you such questions. I would personally use a hatchet on anyone trying to push code like that.


Yeah, which is why I was asking in here... I am not really sure what exactly the point of the question is. I am pretty sure they are looking for one/two very specific answers but I am just not sure...

About the bonus question: I assume since there hasn't been fetched an actual object from the DB, the entity is empty and you would get some kind of error since you are calling a non static function (setName) in a static enviroment?


What? No. Implementation of data context has three options.

1. Empty entity. You change it, but nothing happens. It is out of sync. More confusing in this case, but it has its uses as an approach.
2. Null is returned, which you seem to cast as Player. In that code example, you'll get null pointer exception. playerA == null. null.setMethod() is an exception.
3. *SQL Exception. You need a catch block then. E.g.


try
{
data_context.getTransaction().begin()
}
catch (SqlException e)
{
// log exception and handle it if you can
}


On February 09 2017 08:24 Artesimo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2017 08:12 Blisse wrote:
On February 09 2017 08:07 Artesimo wrote:
On February 09 2017 07:45 Manit0u wrote:
Just compare the code. In your example plenty of things could go wrong. You could go out of transaction scope unexpectedly, you make two commits for a single change operation, etc.

Bonus question: What would happen to the original code if no object was fetched from the db?

I'm not entirely sure why they're assigning you such questions. I would personally use a hatchet on anyone trying to push code like that.


Yeah, which is why I was asking in here... I am not really sure what exactly the point of the question is. I am pretty sure they are looking for one/two very specific answers but I am just not sure...

About the bonus question: I assume since there hasn't been fetched an actual object from the DB, the entity is empty and you would get some kind of error since you are calling a non static function (setName) in a static enviroment?


The point of the question was ensuring if you knew why the databases are transactional and what are the errors that occur if they're used non-transactionally. Sometimes it's the too-obvious answer.

For the bonus I don't believe static has to do with anything here.


You can call a static funtcion without an actual entity, and you can call a function that doesn't affect the attributes of an object (like a simple print) even if the variable doesn't contain the object yet.

RandomClass x = null;
x.JustPrintsHello();//works
x.getSomeAttribute();//doesn't work;


EDIT: I might be wrong though, but I am sure I had the exact error in my code once and that static/dynamic error message was handed to me by glorious netbeans


That's not correct. If your object is null, it points to nothing. If you have nothing, you cannot expect something. So, calling anything on 'x' is null reference exception (access violation in C/C++).
Artesimo
Profile Joined February 2015
Germany571 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-08 23:39:05
February 08 2017 23:38 GMT
#16764
On February 09 2017 08:30 Shield wrote:
What? No. Implementation of data context has three options.

1. Empty entity. You change it, but nothing happens. It is out of sync. More confusing in this case, but it has its uses as an approach.
2. Null is returned, which you seem to cast as Player. In that code example, you'll get null pointer exception. playerA == null. null.setMethod() is an exception.
3. *SQL Exception. You need a catch block then. E.g.


try
{
data_context.getTransaction().begin()
}
catch (SqlException e)
{
// log exception and handle it if you can
}



Yeah, I remember now. You had to burry the uninitialized variable that contained in a class within the function of another class or something like that to make it work. But there surely was a way to achieve described behaviour since I went on to reproduce it with C++ as well out of curiousity.
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-08 23:51:00
February 08 2017 23:47 GMT
#16765
On February 09 2017 08:38 Artesimo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2017 08:30 Shield wrote:
What? No. Implementation of data context has three options.

1. Empty entity. You change it, but nothing happens. It is out of sync. More confusing in this case, but it has its uses as an approach.
2. Null is returned, which you seem to cast as Player. In that code example, you'll get null pointer exception. playerA == null. null.setMethod() is an exception.
3. *SQL Exception. You need a catch block then. E.g.


try
{
data_context.getTransaction().begin()
}
catch (SqlException e)
{
// log exception and handle it if you can
}



Yeah, I remember now. You had to burry the uninitialized variable that contained in a class within the function of another class or something like that to make it work. But there surely was a way to achieve described behaviour since I went on to reproduce it with C++ as well out of curiousity.


You don't have to have another method. I suppose you mean:


Player player = null;

try
{
player = data_context.find(arg1, arg2);
return player;
}
catch (SqlException e)
{
// we get an exception from database or data context, so it's likely that player == null
// so options are:
// 1. return new Player();
// 2. return null; (more obvious than return player object)
// 3. throw new YourException(e);
// Numbers match the three options I've described in my previous post,
// but it's good to log exception anyway.
// There are a lot of ways to handle this... You can also rethrow exception.
}

Artesimo
Profile Joined February 2015
Germany571 Posts
February 09 2017 00:03 GMT
#16766
On February 09 2017 08:47 Shield wrote:
You don't have to have another method. I suppose you mean:


Player player = null;

try
{
player = data_context.find(arg1, arg2);
return player;
}
catch (SqlException e)
{
// we get an exception from database or data context, so it's likely that player == null
// so options are:
// 1. return new Player();
// 2. return null; (more obvious than return player object)
// 3. throw new YourException(e);
// Numbers match the three options I've described in my previous post,
// but it's good to log exception anyway.
// There are a lot of ways to handle this... You can also rethrow exception.
}



No, my annecdote I based it on didn't had any to do with SQL/Databases. It was some universityproject, I believe something about distributed systems. Not sure anymore. However, I had class A with a array of generated entities of class B or something like that, only that I failed to generate the classes but everything worked fine, even though methods of those classes where called. Only after I used a method which acceced the attribute of said entity of class B, the programm crashed and it took me a bit to spot my mistake, since it had run fine up to that point. I also believe the reason the other methods where callable was the way methods are stored/accessed, I aksed the prof and he explained it. Forogt everything though so yeah. But thanks for the help, I assume it was about transaction/transactionscope indeed, seems to fit the generel theme of the questions up to this point. Appreciated the help
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-09 00:12:05
February 09 2017 00:10 GMT
#16767
Hmm, I'm not sure I understand, but it sounds like it might involve inheritance and virtual methods. Virtual methods are evaluated at run-time. It's hard to say without code.
Hanh
Profile Joined June 2016
146 Posts
February 09 2017 01:27 GMT
#16768
Non virtual functions are compiled into regular function calls with the this pointer passed in a register. It won't fault unless you dereference it. In any case, that's undefined behavior and implementation specific.
Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-09 01:35:14
February 09 2017 01:31 GMT
#16769
On February 09 2017 08:24 Artesimo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2017 08:12 Blisse wrote:
On February 09 2017 08:07 Artesimo wrote:
On February 09 2017 07:45 Manit0u wrote:
Just compare the code. In your example plenty of things could go wrong. You could go out of transaction scope unexpectedly, you make two commits for a single change operation, etc.

Bonus question: What would happen to the original code if no object was fetched from the db?

I'm not entirely sure why they're assigning you such questions. I would personally use a hatchet on anyone trying to push code like that.


Yeah, which is why I was asking in here... I am not really sure what exactly the point of the question is. I am pretty sure they are looking for one/two very specific answers but I am just not sure...

About the bonus question: I assume since there hasn't been fetched an actual object from the DB, the entity is empty and you would get some kind of error since you are calling a non static function (setName) in a static enviroment?


The point of the question was ensuring if you knew why the databases are transactional and what are the errors that occur if they're used non-transactionally. Sometimes it's the too-obvious answer.

For the bonus I don't believe static has to do with anything here.


You can call a static funtcion without an actual entity, and you can call a function that doesn't affect the attributes of an object (like a simple print) even if the variable doesn't contain the object yet.

RandomClass x = null;
x.JustPrintsHello();//works
x.getSomeAttribute();//doesn't work;


EDIT: I might be wrong though, but I am sure I had the exact error in my code once and that static/dynamic error message was handed to me by glorious netbeans


I meant it more in the sense that it wasn't a static method so bringing static-ness into it doesn't really apply. It'd be simply an error because either the object is null, or the object was fetched but out-of-sync, or however that database handles that situation as Shield described.

I've never seen people call a static method thruogh a null object before ... but I just tested it in Java and it works. freaky af, please don't do that purposely irl lol.

Object a = null; 
a.staticMethod(); // worked normally
There is no one like you in the universe.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-09 03:00:18
February 09 2017 02:26 GMT
#16770
anyone wanna tutor me in linear algebra for $15/hr ? it's confusing the shit out of me and my professor is terrible


it'd be casual, over skype or w/e, whatever hours work, maybe a couple of hours a week


im honestly finding it was more confusing than calc 1 or calc 2 but I think it's largely because the teaching of it is so convoluted...

note: math at my school is pretty tough
Neshapotamus
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States163 Posts
February 09 2017 03:23 GMT
#16771
On February 09 2017 11:26 travis wrote:
anyone wanna tutor me in linear algebra for $15/hr ? it's confusing the shit out of me and my professor is terrible


it'd be casual, over skype or w/e, whatever hours work, maybe a couple of hours a week


im honestly finding it was more confusing than calc 1 or calc 2 but I think it's largely because the teaching of it is so convoluted...

note: math at my school is pretty tough


Most intuitive explanation on Linear Algebra.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZHQObOWTQDPD3MizzM2xVFitgF8hE_ab

Think of LA as geometry. If you aren't good at geometry, struggle until you get good. That's how I learned most subjects back in school.

There is plenty of free content online to learn about concepts you're struggling with.

Khan Academy: https://www.khanacademy.org/math/linear-algebra
MIT Opencourseware: https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/mathematics/18-06-linear-algebra-spring-2010/video-lectures/
Udacity: https://www.udacity.com/course/linear-algebra-refresher-course--ud953


Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
February 09 2017 03:40 GMT
#16772
I'll go through them, thank you

wow that first video has a nice like ratio
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
February 09 2017 07:28 GMT
#16773
On February 09 2017 10:31 Blisse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2017 08:24 Artesimo wrote:
On February 09 2017 08:12 Blisse wrote:
On February 09 2017 08:07 Artesimo wrote:
On February 09 2017 07:45 Manit0u wrote:
Just compare the code. In your example plenty of things could go wrong. You could go out of transaction scope unexpectedly, you make two commits for a single change operation, etc.

Bonus question: What would happen to the original code if no object was fetched from the db?

I'm not entirely sure why they're assigning you such questions. I would personally use a hatchet on anyone trying to push code like that.


Yeah, which is why I was asking in here... I am not really sure what exactly the point of the question is. I am pretty sure they are looking for one/two very specific answers but I am just not sure...

About the bonus question: I assume since there hasn't been fetched an actual object from the DB, the entity is empty and you would get some kind of error since you are calling a non static function (setName) in a static enviroment?


The point of the question was ensuring if you knew why the databases are transactional and what are the errors that occur if they're used non-transactionally. Sometimes it's the too-obvious answer.

For the bonus I don't believe static has to do with anything here.


You can call a static funtcion without an actual entity, and you can call a function that doesn't affect the attributes of an object (like a simple print) even if the variable doesn't contain the object yet.

RandomClass x = null;
x.JustPrintsHello();//works
x.getSomeAttribute();//doesn't work;


EDIT: I might be wrong though, but I am sure I had the exact error in my code once and that static/dynamic error message was handed to me by glorious netbeans


I meant it more in the sense that it wasn't a static method so bringing static-ness into it doesn't really apply. It'd be simply an error because either the object is null, or the object was fetched but out-of-sync, or however that database handles that situation as Shield described.

I've never seen people call a static method thruogh a null object before ... but I just tested it in Java and it works. freaky af, please don't do that purposely irl lol.

Object a = null; 
a.staticMethod(); // worked normally


I suppose it works because it is translated into Class.staticMethod() rather than a.staticMethod(). It's weird when 'a' object is null.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17720 Posts
February 09 2017 08:08 GMT
#16774
On February 09 2017 16:28 Shield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2017 10:31 Blisse wrote:
On February 09 2017 08:24 Artesimo wrote:
On February 09 2017 08:12 Blisse wrote:
On February 09 2017 08:07 Artesimo wrote:
On February 09 2017 07:45 Manit0u wrote:
Just compare the code. In your example plenty of things could go wrong. You could go out of transaction scope unexpectedly, you make two commits for a single change operation, etc.

Bonus question: What would happen to the original code if no object was fetched from the db?

I'm not entirely sure why they're assigning you such questions. I would personally use a hatchet on anyone trying to push code like that.


Yeah, which is why I was asking in here... I am not really sure what exactly the point of the question is. I am pretty sure they are looking for one/two very specific answers but I am just not sure...

About the bonus question: I assume since there hasn't been fetched an actual object from the DB, the entity is empty and you would get some kind of error since you are calling a non static function (setName) in a static enviroment?


The point of the question was ensuring if you knew why the databases are transactional and what are the errors that occur if they're used non-transactionally. Sometimes it's the too-obvious answer.

For the bonus I don't believe static has to do with anything here.


You can call a static funtcion without an actual entity, and you can call a function that doesn't affect the attributes of an object (like a simple print) even if the variable doesn't contain the object yet.

RandomClass x = null;
x.JustPrintsHello();//works
x.getSomeAttribute();//doesn't work;


EDIT: I might be wrong though, but I am sure I had the exact error in my code once and that static/dynamic error message was handed to me by glorious netbeans


I meant it more in the sense that it wasn't a static method so bringing static-ness into it doesn't really apply. It'd be simply an error because either the object is null, or the object was fetched but out-of-sync, or however that database handles that situation as Shield described.

I've never seen people call a static method thruogh a null object before ... but I just tested it in Java and it works. freaky af, please don't do that purposely irl lol.

Object a = null; 
a.staticMethod(); // worked normally


I suppose it works because it is translated into Class.staticMethod() rather than a.staticMethod(). It's weird when 'a' object is null.


But, shouldn't you call static methods with :: instead of .?
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
mantequilla
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Turkey781 Posts
February 09 2017 08:43 GMT
#16775
On February 09 2017 02:38 mantequilla wrote:
do you guys have an idea what kind of technical knowledge is required to work in defense industry as a programmer? I assume they are not writing web apps with angular

disclaimer: I don't know c or c++.



quoting myself from a few pages back since no one noticed me
Age of Mythology forever!
Askelad
Profile Joined October 2016
France20 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-18 17:49:12
February 09 2017 08:55 GMT
#16776
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Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17720 Posts
February 09 2017 10:53 GMT
#16777
On February 09 2017 17:43 mantequilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2017 02:38 mantequilla wrote:
do you guys have an idea what kind of technical knowledge is required to work in defense industry as a programmer? I assume they are not writing web apps with angular

disclaimer: I don't know c or c++.



quoting myself from a few pages back since no one noticed me



Shield noticed you:

On February 09 2017 03:36 Shield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2017 02:38 mantequilla wrote:
do you guys have an idea what kind of technical knowledge is required to work in defense industry as a programmer? I assume they are not writing web apps with angular

disclaimer: I don't know c or c++.


I don't know about your question, but just a reminder that you might need security clearance for that thing.

Edit: I also remember hearing about MISRA, but I don't know how widely used it is.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Artesimo
Profile Joined February 2015
Germany571 Posts
February 09 2017 13:47 GMT
#16778
Next DB question, regarding the n+1 problem with default fetching:

A JPA-query fetches a list of all books of publishers with a specific location.

Tables/Columns:
Publisher(PublisherID[primaryKey], name, location))
Book(ISBN[primaryKey], titel, price, publisherID[foreignKey])

About 700 publishers, 40 of them in the specific location, each of which has about 200 books in its inventory.

Question: Explain the n+1 problem, regarding the 40 publishers. How many selects willbe send to the database?

Answer: We got 41 selects that are send to the database. 1 select to get all the publishers of the specific location(40) and for each publisher we have a select to get all published books, therefore we got another 40 selects.


And another regarding the difference of data I get from a fetch join / join in an application:
Join will give back a single entity per member/facutly combination, like all members of a faculty while fetch join would give me 2 entities per member/facutly combination: the member and the faculty seperately
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
February 09 2017 14:45 GMT
#16779
My company wants to replace all ~1500 PCs across all stores so they can access the coming web frontend since the old XP/IE8 boxes can't do HTML5 and stuff and so wont Work with the Hybris shop that is in the works.

I was just thinking about using thin clients that just use remote desktop or something like that instead. What solutions would work for 1500 PCs across all of europe without requiring the same amount of physical hardware? Maybe stuff that works decently with not-that-modern Internet connections as well?

I'm a programmer, not an admin, so it's not really my field of expertise.
RoomOfMush
Profile Joined March 2015
1296 Posts
February 09 2017 15:12 GMT
#16780
On February 09 2017 23:45 Morfildur wrote:
My company wants to replace all ~1500 PCs across all stores so they can access the coming web frontend since the old XP/IE8 boxes can't do HTML5 and stuff and so wont Work with the Hybris shop that is in the works.

I was just thinking about using thin clients that just use remote desktop or something like that instead. What solutions would work for 1500 PCs across all of europe without requiring the same amount of physical hardware? Maybe stuff that works decently with not-that-modern Internet connections as well?

I'm a programmer, not an admin, so it's not really my field of expertise.

If it is going to run over the internet use cheap laptops (or desktops) with linux and firefox or something like that. This shit is so cheap nowadays that the price shouldnt even matter for a company big enough to have 1500 workstations. Thats what I would do anyways.
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