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On February 01 2013 23:43 adwodon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 12:30 enigmaticcam wrote:
Anybody here know anything about Windows 8/Windows Phone development? I have no idea even what language it is, though I suspect it's probably Java. Any good book recommendations? Or web sites that would give a crash course on it? Thanks!
Edit: Ok, I managed to find that you can compile apps on the Windows Phone using C++, C#.NET, and VB.NET. I still need some kind of introduction of some sort. Any advice on how to get started would be greatly appreciated. MSDN is the place to go. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/br211386.aspxYou can do HTML 5 ( HTML5, CSS3+JS), C# or C++. If you have no experience, don't go with C++. C# has a tonne of a material around about it, you'll probably find an answer to any question you have but using HTML5 is probably your safest option. Mind if I ask what your goal is? It would give us a better idea of what tools you will need.
We'll be looking into Windows Tablet and Windows Phone development here at work in the future. I already do in-house custom iPhone and iPad apps for them, but the company wants to expand so I figured I'd try to get ahead and see how much I can learn. I already know VB.NET, and I can learn C# easily. I don't have any experience with HTML, and would rather avoid it if I can.
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I have a quick question for yall programmers:
I'm just starting to get back into programming. I only took a couple intro classes many years ago so I know very light java. My goal is to be able to do dynamic web programming and apps. What language would you guys recommend I start with? From reading through some of this thread, I assume I wouldn't need to learn C/C++. I was thinking java or python but i'm really not sure at the moment.
Thanks for any insight 
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On February 01 2013 21:06 nunez wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 07:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
any Germans here?
I'm looking to brush up on my German and practice some EECS while I'm at it.
So, I'm looking for good intro German texts on circuits, C, AI, and machine structure;
stuff like
Ulaby & Maharbiz, Circuit, 2nd edition
Patterson + Hennessey
Kernighan + Ritchie you should use lisp for AI, not C! i don't know if you should, but i wanted to make a pun
Haha :p on a serious note, I'm pretty comfortable with Scheme, though Berkeley doesn't use it much anymore. We use Python in the AI course. (CS 188)
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On February 02 2013 02:48 BlueRoyaL wrote:I have a quick question for yall programmers: I'm just starting to get back into programming. I only took a couple intro classes many years ago so I know very light java. My goal is to be able to do dynamic web programming and apps. What language would you guys recommend I start with? From reading through some of this thread, I assume I wouldn't need to learn C/C++. I was thinking java or python but i'm really not sure at the moment. Thanks for any insight
Well you develop in Java for android and in objective C for iOs. What's dynamic web programming?
Just start with whatever, as long as you learn oo concepts it's k.
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On February 02 2013 04:56 h3r1n6 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 02:48 BlueRoyaL wrote:I have a quick question for yall programmers: I'm just starting to get back into programming. I only took a couple intro classes many years ago so I know very light java. My goal is to be able to do dynamic web programming and apps. What language would you guys recommend I start with? From reading through some of this thread, I assume I wouldn't need to learn C/C++. I was thinking java or python but i'm really not sure at the moment. Thanks for any insight Well you develop in Java for android and in objective C for iOs. What's dynamic web programming? Just start with whatever, as long as you learn oo concepts it's k.
Maybe he means dynamically generated webpages instead of the old static kind we always saw on Geocities.
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On February 02 2013 06:47 CountChocula wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 04:56 h3r1n6 wrote:On February 02 2013 02:48 BlueRoyaL wrote:I have a quick question for yall programmers: I'm just starting to get back into programming. I only took a couple intro classes many years ago so I know very light java. My goal is to be able to do dynamic web programming and apps. What language would you guys recommend I start with? From reading through some of this thread, I assume I wouldn't need to learn C/C++. I was thinking java or python but i'm really not sure at the moment. Thanks for any insight Well you develop in Java for android and in objective C for iOs. What's dynamic web programming? Just start with whatever, as long as you learn oo concepts it's k. Maybe he means dynamically generated webpages instead of the old static kind we always saw on Geocities.
Geocities pages weren't static. They had blinking text and animated GIFs and even marquee banners!
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Yeah, sorry, I was referring to dynamically generated web pages haha. I guess I'm starting with java :D thanks!
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On February 02 2013 06:52 AmericanUmlaut wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 06:47 CountChocula wrote:On February 02 2013 04:56 h3r1n6 wrote:On February 02 2013 02:48 BlueRoyaL wrote:I have a quick question for yall programmers: I'm just starting to get back into programming. I only took a couple intro classes many years ago so I know very light java. My goal is to be able to do dynamic web programming and apps. What language would you guys recommend I start with? From reading through some of this thread, I assume I wouldn't need to learn C/C++. I was thinking java or python but i'm really not sure at the moment. Thanks for any insight Well you develop in Java for android and in objective C for iOs. What's dynamic web programming? Just start with whatever, as long as you learn oo concepts it's k. Maybe he means dynamically generated webpages instead of the old static kind we always saw on Geocities. Geocities pages weren't static. They had blinking text and animated GIFs and even marquee banners!
Haha, fun times.
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On February 02 2013 07:31 BlueRoyaL wrote:
Yeah, sorry, I was referring to dynamically generated web pages haha. I guess I'm starting with java :D thanks!
No, no, no, no, no. Absolutely not java. Forget about java. Java is *not* for web programming. For modern web programming you need to learn php and javascript.
PHP is server side language. That means that when browser makes a request to display certain page, server executes certain php-code based on the request and then generates an output that browser displays. As you can see from url-names, teamliquid was written with PHP. If you go to a different thread, you'll also notice that you actually always stay at the page called viewmessage.php, but content itself is always different. That happens because of the stuff that goes after '?' symbol that actually tells server that variables topic_id and currentpage should be set to certain values and this causes server to generate different output. If you try to view source code or download the page you won't see any php whatsoever. That's cause browser (client) is totally oblivious to what happens at server side. But how is the actual content stored on the server? In the database. Today most popular database is still MySQL. So together with PHP you will also have to learn how to manage MySQL database and how to securely interact with it using PHP. Pay a lot of attention to this topic.
Javascript is a client side language. Javascript code is downloaded and executed by browser. It has nothing to do with Java by the way. It's used for cool menu effects, for drawing different stuff like graphs and even for games inside webpages. When studying javascript pay a lot of attention to jQuerry. It's very powerful and popular library for javascript.
If you want totally dynamic web pages (like the ones implemented by different media websites or by Youtube where user comments are updated without the need to reload the page) then you need to learn about AJAX. Basically, it's a powerful combo of javascript and php that lets you to asynchronously update the webpage without user request.
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I'd discourage learning PHP as a first language much more than I would discourage learning Java. If your goal is web development, Java is probably not the right tool for the job, but Ruby or Python would be decent choices. If your goal is Android app development, Java is basically the only choice there.
So, could you be more specific in what you're looking to achieve? As is 'dynamic web programming and apps' covers a helluva lot of ground  I can give more specific advice with a more specific area you're looking to work in.
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On February 02 2013 01:37 enigmaticcam wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 23:43 adwodon wrote:On February 01 2013 12:30 enigmaticcam wrote:
Anybody here know anything about Windows 8/Windows Phone development? I have no idea even what language it is, though I suspect it's probably Java. Any good book recommendations? Or web sites that would give a crash course on it? Thanks!
Edit: Ok, I managed to find that you can compile apps on the Windows Phone using C++, C#.NET, and VB.NET. I still need some kind of introduction of some sort. Any advice on how to get started would be greatly appreciated. MSDN is the place to go. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/br211386.aspxYou can do HTML 5 ( HTML5, CSS3+JS), C# or C++. If you have no experience, don't go with C++. C# has a tonne of a material around about it, you'll probably find an answer to any question you have but using HTML5 is probably your safest option. Mind if I ask what your goal is? It would give us a better idea of what tools you will need. We'll be looking into Windows Tablet and Windows Phone development here at work in the future. I already do in-house custom iPhone and iPad apps for them, but the company wants to expand so I figured I'd try to get ahead and see how much I can learn. I already know VB.NET, and I can learn C# easily. I don't have any experience with HTML, and would rather avoid it if I can.
Ah, I thought you were just doing it solo.
In that case I personally recommend going the C# route, simply because from a business perspective, if you're only targeting windows and not doing serious low end stuff C# is the clear winner. Its straight forward, easy to pick up, and there are a tonne of questions already answered if you know how to find answers.
It also gives you a good balance of control and efficiency, I've only heard praise from managers with regards to C# so I can only assume its a good route business wise.
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On February 02 2013 02:48 BlueRoyaL wrote:I have a quick question for yall programmers: I'm just starting to get back into programming. I only took a couple intro classes many years ago so I know very light java. My goal is to be able to do dynamic web programming and apps. What language would you guys recommend I start with? From reading through some of this thread, I assume I wouldn't need to learn C/C++. I was thinking java or python but i'm really not sure at the moment. Thanks for any insight
You have a lot of options
Asp.net MVC if you want to do c# and use visual studio.
You could put together a lamp stack (linux, apache, mysql, php) Pretty common, good for learning
Python django and ruby on rails are both web frameworks (web server will also probably be apache with these).
Tons of tutorials everywhere, if you've never used source control you'll find most of the tutorials teaching you how to use GIT, definitely pay attention to those.
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On February 02 2013 11:38 InRaged wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 07:31 BlueRoyaL wrote:
Yeah, sorry, I was referring to dynamically generated web pages haha. I guess I'm starting with java :D thanks! No, no, no, no, no. Absolutely not java. Forget about java. Java is *not* for web programming. For modern web programming you need to learn php and javascript. PHP is server side language. That means that when browser makes a request to display certain page, server executes certain php-code based on the request and then generates an output that browser displays. As you can see from url-names, teamliquid was written with PHP. If you go to a different thread, you'll also notice that you actually always stay at the page called viewmessage.php, but content itself is always different. That happens because of the stuff that goes after '?' symbol that actually tells server that variables topic_id and currentpage should be set to certain values and this causes server to generate different output. If you try to view source code or download the page you won't see any php whatsoever. That's cause browser (client) is totally oblivious to what happens at server side. But how is the actual content stored on the server? In the database. Today most popular database is still MySQL. So together with PHP you will also have to learn how to manage MySQL database and how to securely interact with it using PHP. Pay a lot of attention to this topic. Javascript is a client side language. Javascript code is downloaded and executed by browser. It has nothing to do with Java by the way. It's used for cool menu effects, for drawing different stuff like graphs and even for games inside webpages. When studying javascript pay a lot of attention to jQuerry. It's very powerful and popular library for javascript. If you want totally dynamic web pages (like the ones implemented by different media websites or by Youtube where user comments are updated without the need to reload the page) then you need to learn about AJAX. Basically, it's a powerful combo of javascript and php that lets you to asynchronously update the webpage without user request.
I would definitely not recommend PHP and MySQL. PHP is an ugly language that has a tendency to actively teach people bad habits (mostly due to myriad of bad examples everywhere). Definitely would not recommend it as first language.As for DB, PostgeSQL has its issues, but it is much cleaner design and in general better DB, although the distance is becoming smaller lately. Of course PHP is still used a lot, so you might try it.
If you will be limiting yourself to Windows server (I have no idea how Mono figures into this), I would say C#/ASP.NET is not a bad thing, especially with latest MVC. Otherwise people already pointed out other better languages.
As for Javascript, there is no escaping that one. I am not a big fan of its design, but it has a lot of interesting concepts, so at least there is that.
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What software do most companies use to write and test code? I ask because I started learning programming in school with Visual Basic, and then progressed to Visual C++. Then, for Java, I used Netbeans. After a couple years, all my classes switched over to using Linux with Vim and such. Now, in my upcoming class, I will probably be using Eclipse. Is there an industry standard for programming? I'm primarily interested in C++ programming, and I'm aware that on Windows, the go-to software package is VS. So I actually have 2 questions: Is Windows or Linux the dominant OS in the programming industry, and in terms of Linux, what is most-used C++ development tool in the industry?
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On February 02 2013 16:49 beamer159 wrote:
What software do most companies use to write and test code? I ask because I started learning programming in school with Visual Basic, and then progressed to Visual C++. Then, for Java, I used Netbeans. After a couple years, all my classes switched over to using Linux with Vim and such. Now, in my upcoming class, I will probably be using Eclipse. Is there an industry standard for programming? I'm primarily interested in C++ programming, and I'm aware that on Windows, the go-to software package is VS. So I actually have 2 questions: Is Windows or Linux the dominant OS in the programming industry, and in terms of Linux, what is most-used C++ development tool in the industry?
This question is basically impossible to answer. It varies greatly between the type of software being developed, and even within that. I've worked at shops that were windows-only and ones that are pretty much all linux/mac. Personally, I think unix-based OSes are vastly preferable for development, but you should try out some different environments and see what you prefer. Within C++, you're going to find people that like big IDEs and those that like minimalist Vim/command line setups. Just try it all out and pick what you like, I wouldn't try to follow trends in the industry just to follow them.
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On February 02 2013 16:49 beamer159 wrote:
What software do most companies use to write and test code? I ask because I started learning programming in school with Visual Basic, and then progressed to Visual C++. Then, for Java, I used Netbeans. After a couple years, all my classes switched over to using Linux with Vim and such. Now, in my upcoming class, I will probably be using Eclipse. Is there an industry standard for programming? I'm primarily interested in C++ programming, and I'm aware that on Windows, the go-to software package is VS. So I actually have 2 questions: Is Windows or Linux the dominant OS in the programming industry, and in terms of Linux, what is most-used C++ development tool in the industry?
To put it succinctly: It varies widely, and it matters not a bit.
In my professional life, I've so far used Visual Studio, Eclipse, NetBeans and the MIcrosoft Excel VBA editor (my first paying job was writing Excel macros). Basically, once you've gotten really proficient with one IDE, I think you'll find switching to another to be pretty painless. They all have the same basic set of functions. That doesn't keep people from developing minor religions around their favorite IDE, but my impression is that everyone is in love with whichever one they have the most experience with.
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On February 02 2013 17:01 AmericanUmlaut wrote:but my impression is that everyone is in love with whichever one they have the most experience with.
At my first pass I read that as "loathe whichever one they have the most experience with", but maybe that's just because I use Eclipse and it apparently can't stop from freezing every other god damn minute with 24G RAM and 8 cores.
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On February 02 2013 11:38 InRaged wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 07:31 BlueRoyaL wrote:
Yeah, sorry, I was referring to dynamically generated web pages haha. I guess I'm starting with java :D thanks! No, no, no, no, no. Absolutely not java. Forget about java. Java is *not* for web programming. For modern web programming you need to learn php and javascript.
I lol'd. Ever heard of Java Server Pages? Or JavaServer Faces? Saying Java is not for web programming is like saying C# is not for web programming - complete bullshit.
The reason PHP is popular is because it requires no thinking what so ever to create something, so it's perfect for people who don't know what they're doing or what they want. Is is also perfect for very simple websites. For bigger and more complex websites, Java is the better choice: easier to maintain, easier to test, better overall performace.
On February 02 2013 11:38 InRaged wrote:
PHP is server side language. That means that when browser makes a request to display certain page, server executes certain php-code based on the request and then generates an output that browser displays. As you can see from url-names, teamliquid was written with PHP. If you go to a different thread, you'll also notice that you actually always stay at the page called viewmessage.php, but content itself is always different. That happens because of the stuff that goes after '?' symbol that actually tells server that variables topic_id and currentpage should be set to certain values and this causes server to generate different output. If you try to view source code or download the page you won't see any php whatsoever. That's cause browser (client) is totally oblivious to what happens at server side. But how is the actual content stored on the server? In the database. Today most popular database is still MySQL. So together with PHP you will also have to learn how to manage MySQL database and how to securely interact with it using PHP. Pay a lot of attention to this topic. This goes for any language you choose to use for websites.
On February 02 2013 11:38 InRaged wrote:
Javascript is a client side language. Javascript code is downloaded and executed by browser. It has nothing to do with Java by the way. It's used for cool menu effects, for drawing different stuff like graphs and even for games inside webpages. When studying javascript pay a lot of attention to jQuerry. It's very powerful and popular library for javascript.
I really hope we're moving away from showing menu's by using javascript. By now people should realize they can accomplish the same thing with much simpler CSS (and with Internet Explorer finally cathing up to the standards this will happen).
JQuery is powerful but promotes bad html (as in: no thinking required). It really helps if you know how the DOM-tree works and how to actually structure your html.
On February 02 2013 11:38 InRaged wrote:
If you want totally dynamic web pages (like the ones implemented by different media websites or by Youtube where user comments are updated without the need to reload the page) then you need to learn about AJAX. Basically, it's a powerful combo of javascript and php that lets you to asynchronously update the webpage without user request.
AJAX is not a combo of javascript and php. In reality, you use JavaScript to create a XmlHttpRequest-object to send a request to the server without reloading the page (think of it as creating a new worker thread that does the request). That request can be anything, anywhere (within browser permissions obviously). If you put all this in a nice function, you can create a timer that on a specific interval executes the function to make the request regularely.
On the server side you handle this request in whatever language you happen to be using and return the appropiate results. All you then need to do is handle the response in javascript and update the page where needed.
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On February 02 2013 18:55 phar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 17:01 AmericanUmlaut wrote:but my impression is that everyone is in love with whichever one they have the most experience with. At my first pass I read that as "loathe whichever one they have the most experience with", but maybe that's just because I use Eclipse and it apparently can't stop from freezing every other god damn minute with 24G RAM and 8 cores.
you are aware that eclipse, as a java application, runs in a VM with a fixed upper memory limit which by default is at 384mb? It doesn't care at all how much ram you have if you don't allow it to use it. edit your eclipse.ini if you want to use more!
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Use a custom eclipse.ini yo
-Declipse.p2.unsignedPolicy=allow
-Dosgi.requiredJavaVersion=1.7
-showlocation
-vm
c:/Program Files/Java/jdk1.7.0_06/jre/bin/server/jvm.dll
-vmargs
-Xms128m
-Xmx1024m
-Xverify:none
-XX:+UnlockExperimentalVMOptions
-XX:+UseFastAccessorMethods
-XX:+UseParallelGC
-XX:MaxPermSize=1024m
-XX:PermSize=128m
Also don't use the official installers, they are full of crap like Mylyn you will never use, go to http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/ and download the latest Platform and JDT.
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