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1. This is not a "do my homework for me" thread. If you have specific questions, ask, but don't post an assignment or homework problem and expect an exact solution.
2. No recruiting for your cockamamie projects (you won't replace facebook with 3 dudes you found on the internet and $20)
3. If you can't articulate why a language is bad, don't start slinging shit about it. Just remember that nothing is worse than making CSS IE6 compatible.
4. Use [code] tags to format code blocks.
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
October 07 2012 13:39 GMT
#3441
thats ok, next time use the [code] tag
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lannisport
Profile Joined February 2012
878 Posts
October 07 2012 18:55 GMT
#3442
On October 07 2012 10:33 nebffa wrote:
Hi guys I am looking for excellent online C only guides (not C++). I have learned Python over the last few months and have done the first 85 project euler problems to learn along the way.

I can't find any guides that are correct, that also have exercises for me to do. I was hoping "Learn C the Hard Way" would be good as I initially learnt Python from "Learn Python the Hard Way" but as it is in an alpha version some of its content is not fully correct.

Plleeeease please please please suggest a good online guide if you know one I will love love love you.


I'm actually on the reverse path as you. I was going to start C then move to Python but ended up going with Python first instead. I couldn't find any good online texts like I did with Python i.e. Dive into Python, Think like a Computer Scientist, Learn Python the Hard Way but there is a pretty good lecture series by UNSW. I recommend checking it out, plus it's in your language.


https://wiki.cse.unsw.edu.au/info/COMP1917
NeMeSiS3
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Canada2972 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-07 19:11:27
October 07 2012 19:11 GMT
#3443
Hey guys I wanted to thank you for helping me on my assignment, I didn't end up following really anything that was put but here's the program I got out.

import java.util.Scanner;


public class Alternating
{
public static void main(String args[])

{ Scanner var = new Scanner(System.in);
int num1, num2, num3, num4;

System.out.println("Please enter first variable:");
num1 = var.nextInt();
System.out.println("Please enter second variable");
num2 = var.nextInt();
System.out.println("Please enter third variable");
num3 = var.nextInt();
System.out.println("Please enter fourth variable");
num4 = var.nextInt();

if(num1 < num2 && num2 > num3 && num3 < num4)
System.out.println("Alternating");
else
System.out.println("Not Alternating");
}
}


It works smoothly enough, now I have to do some other thing that I barely understand. These questions are worded so poorly T.T I might be posting again for more advice but before I do I just wanted to ask if this is ok? At first I was feeling like this would be "homework help" (which it is) but I'm not asking for you to do it, just guide me along a bit (as you can see I just kinda made my own program not following the advice hahahaha).

Anywho thanks again.
FoTG fighting!
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-07 20:01:28
October 07 2012 20:00 GMT
#3444
On October 08 2012 04:11 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
Hey guys I wanted to thank you for helping me on my assignment, I didn't end up following really anything that was put but here's the program I got out.

Show nested quote +
import java.util.Scanner;


public class Alternating
{
public static void main(String args[])

{ Scanner var = new Scanner(System.in);
int num1, num2, num3, num4;

System.out.println("Please enter first variable:");
num1 = var.nextInt();
System.out.println("Please enter second variable");
num2 = var.nextInt();
System.out.println("Please enter third variable");
num3 = var.nextInt();
System.out.println("Please enter fourth variable");
num4 = var.nextInt();

if(num1 < num2 && num2 > num3 && num3 < num4)
System.out.println("Alternating");
else
System.out.println("Not Alternating");
}
}


It works smoothly enough, now I have to do some other thing that I barely understand. These questions are worded so poorly T.T I might be posting again for more advice but before I do I just wanted to ask if this is ok? At first I was feeling like this would be "homework help" (which it is) but I'm not asking for you to do it, just guide me along a bit (as you can see I just kinda made my own program not following the advice hahahaha).

Anywho thanks again.


Your program only works for the case where num1 is the smaller number of the first 2, if the order is different but still alternating, it fails.
Testcase: 9 1 8 2
NeMeSiS3
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Canada2972 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-07 20:05:58
October 07 2012 20:03 GMT
#3445
On October 08 2012 05:00 Morfildur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2012 04:11 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
Hey guys I wanted to thank you for helping me on my assignment, I didn't end up following really anything that was put but here's the program I got out.

import java.util.Scanner;


public class Alternating
{
public static void main(String args[])

{ Scanner var = new Scanner(System.in);
int num1, num2, num3, num4;

System.out.println("Please enter first variable:");
num1 = var.nextInt();
System.out.println("Please enter second variable");
num2 = var.nextInt();
System.out.println("Please enter third variable");
num3 = var.nextInt();
System.out.println("Please enter fourth variable");
num4 = var.nextInt();

if(num1 < num2 && num2 > num3 && num3 < num4)
System.out.println("Alternating");
else
System.out.println("Not Alternating");
}
}


It works smoothly enough, now I have to do some other thing that I barely understand. These questions are worded so poorly T.T I might be posting again for more advice but before I do I just wanted to ask if this is ok? At first I was feeling like this would be "homework help" (which it is) but I'm not asking for you to do it, just guide me along a bit (as you can see I just kinda made my own program not following the advice hahahaha).

Anywho thanks again.


Your program only works for the case where num1 is the smaller number of the first 2, if the order is different but still alternating, it fails.
Testcase: 9 1 8 2


Ahh you're right so I have to make it so it accounts for the reverse thank you for noticing that.

I just changed the line
if(num1 < num2 && num2 > num3 && num3 < num4 || num1 > num2 && num2 < num3 && num3 > num4)

This accounted for that error.

Again thank you for picking that up, how silly of me. I was thinking about that when I started but it slipped my mind half way through.
FoTG fighting!
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-07 20:50:05
October 07 2012 20:45 GMT
#3446
Apparently XCode can't print at my school, yet other applications like Word can so I have to copy+paste code into a Word Document to print it at school. Is this at all normal?

Also, my teacher has been looking for an online book of Programming in C (4.0, not 3.0).

edit: And my teacher just recently realized the reason computers weren't printing was because of XCode. We also can't correctly perform scanf statements yet either so we are basically stalled every couple weeks on one subject until the next subject is fixed T.T

To make matters worse, since the people that actually help with computers throughout the school are being overworked during the beginning of the school year and then under-worked towards the end there are only 2.
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
lannisport
Profile Joined February 2012
878 Posts
October 08 2012 01:18 GMT
#3447
Quick question. What sort of environment do you guys use when you program with Python on Windows or otherwise? I was thinking of getting Cygwin, is that recommended?
Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-08 06:50:16
October 08 2012 06:42 GMT
#3448
On October 08 2012 10:18 lannisport wrote:
Quick question. What sort of environment do you guys use when you program with Python on Windows or otherwise? I was thinking of getting Cygwin, is that recommended?


You don't need any environments for Python unless you're going to be managing a huge library. Just write some text, save the file and double click it to run.

In any case, I recently moved to Sublime Text 2 and it absolutely crushes all the other IDEs and text editors I've used. Notepad++ loads a bit faster, but Sublime Text 2 is a lot better feature wise, and it doesn't feel clunky like an IDE does.
There is no one like you in the universe.
nebffa
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Australia776 Posts
October 08 2012 13:39 GMT
#3449
On October 08 2012 03:55 lannisport wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

On October 07 2012 10:33 nebffa wrote:
Hi guys I am looking for excellent online C only guides (not C++). I have learned Python over the last few months and have done the first 85 project euler problems to learn along the way.

I can't find any guides that are correct, that also have exercises for me to do. I was hoping "Learn C the Hard Way" would be good as I initially learnt Python from "Learn Python the Hard Way" but as it is in an alpha version some of its content is not fully correct.

Plleeeease please please please suggest a good online guide if you know one I will love love love you.


I'm actually on the reverse path as you. I was going to start C then move to Python but ended up going with Python first instead. I couldn't find any good online texts like I did with Python i.e. Dive into Python, Think like a Computer Scientist, Learn Python the Hard Way but there is a pretty good lecture series by UNSW. I recommend checking it out, plus it's in your language.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE7l6Adoiiw&feature=edu&list=PL6B940F08B9773B9F
https://wiki.cse.unsw.edu.au/info/COMP1917


It seems like you actually went on the same path as me? Learning Python first? Am I misreading something?

Aside from that... so so so so sick. Thankyou so much for posting this I can tell this is going to properly explain many things including pointers and malloc. I mentioned in my post that whoever posted something very useful I would love love love them. Did I mention I love love love you now? THANKS!!!
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
October 08 2012 13:48 GMT
#3450
On October 08 2012 15:42 Blisse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2012 10:18 lannisport wrote:
Quick question. What sort of environment do you guys use when you program with Python on Windows or otherwise? I was thinking of getting Cygwin, is that recommended?


You don't need any environments for Python unless you're going to be managing a huge library. Just write some text, save the file and double click it to run.

In any case, I recently moved to Sublime Text 2 and it absolutely crushes all the other IDEs and text editors I've used. Notepad++ loads a bit faster, but Sublime Text 2 is a lot better feature wise, and it doesn't feel clunky like an IDE does.

This, I started to use Sublime Text 2 recently as well and it's definitely the best text editor I've tried on windows. Obviously, it doesn't hold a candle to proper IDEs like Visual Studio, but I use it for absolutely everything which I don't handle in VS. As you said, notepad++ loads faster, but Sublime Text 2 looks way better and has some pretty sick functionality.

The only real text editor I can compare it to is textmate on OS X, which is high praise indeed.
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
October 09 2012 00:45 GMT
#3451
On October 08 2012 05:45 3FFA wrote:
Apparently XCode can't print at my school, yet other applications like Word can so I have to copy+paste code into a Word Document to print it at school. Is this at all normal?

Also, my teacher has been looking for an online book of Programming in C (4.0, not 3.0).

edit: And my teacher just recently realized the reason computers weren't printing was because of XCode. We also can't correctly perform scanf statements yet either so we are basically stalled every couple weeks on one subject until the next subject is fixed T.T

To make matters worse, since the people that actually help with computers throughout the school are being overworked during the beginning of the school year and then under-worked towards the end there are only 2.


My questions....they feel lonely... they have yet to find an answer. They are still... single.... forever alone.... =_[
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-09 01:09:02
October 09 2012 01:00 GMT
#3452
On October 09 2012 09:45 3FFA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2012 05:45 3FFA wrote:
Apparently XCode can't print at my school, yet other applications like Word can so I have to copy+paste code into a Word Document to print it at school. Is this at all normal?

Also, my teacher has been looking for an online book of Programming in C (4.0, not 3.0).

edit: And my teacher just recently realized the reason computers weren't printing was because of XCode. We also can't correctly perform scanf statements yet either so we are basically stalled every couple weeks on one subject until the next subject is fixed T.T

To make matters worse, since the people that actually help with computers throughout the school are being overworked during the beginning of the school year and then under-worked towards the end there are only 2.


My questions....they feel lonely... they have yet to find an answer. They are still... single.... forever alone.... =_[


It's been one day yo. And anyone who doesn't use a Mac can't comment. And everyone who hasn't had printing issues with XCode can't comment. Judging by a Google on that, no one has had any but you.

Also, if you are writing standard C programs, regardless of the text editor, scanf should work, otherwise your teacher is doing something wrong. Try to compile and run the C file via the Terminal please. You can write a C file in any text editor
There is no one like you in the universe.
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
October 09 2012 01:17 GMT
#3453
On October 09 2012 09:45 3FFA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2012 05:45 3FFA wrote:
Apparently XCode can't print at my school, yet other applications like Word can so I have to copy+paste code into a Word Document to print it at school. Is this at all normal?

Also, my teacher has been looking for an online book of Programming in C (4.0, not 3.0).

edit: And my teacher just recently realized the reason computers weren't printing was because of XCode. We also can't correctly perform scanf statements yet either so we are basically stalled every couple weeks on one subject until the next subject is fixed T.T

To make matters worse, since the people that actually help with computers throughout the school are being overworked during the beginning of the school year and then under-worked towards the end there are only 2.


My questions....they feel lonely... they have yet to find an answer. They are still... single.... forever alone.... =_[


Xcode is a piece of crap anyway.

Just use textmate and iterm. If you have Xcode installed, you can just compile with gcc.

If you are just doing trivial stuff, you can use TryC. (google TryC for Mac)
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3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
October 09 2012 02:36 GMT
#3454
On October 09 2012 10:00 Blisse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2012 09:45 3FFA wrote:
On October 08 2012 05:45 3FFA wrote:
Apparently XCode can't print at my school, yet other applications like Word can so I have to copy+paste code into a Word Document to print it at school. Is this at all normal?

Also, my teacher has been looking for an online book of Programming in C (4.0, not 3.0).

edit: And my teacher just recently realized the reason computers weren't printing was because of XCode. We also can't correctly perform scanf statements yet either so we are basically stalled every couple weeks on one subject until the next subject is fixed T.T

To make matters worse, since the people that actually help with computers throughout the school are being overworked during the beginning of the school year and then under-worked towards the end there are only 2.


My questions....they feel lonely... they have yet to find an answer. They are still... single.... forever alone.... =_[


It's been one day yo. And anyone who doesn't use a Mac can't comment. And everyone who hasn't had printing issues with XCode can't comment. Judging by a Google on that, no one has had any but you.

Also, if you are writing standard C programs, regardless of the text editor, scanf should work, otherwise your teacher is doing something wrong. Try to compile and run the C file via the Terminal please. You can write a C file in any text editor

Apparently the is we can't do certain things like scanf without an administrative user and pass and so they would have to make us admins, but if they do that, then trololol is totally going to occur. So, they have to figure out how to make us admins for just XCode but nothing else or find a workaround. Plus, since we have to do this with school we have to do it via rules and directions given by our teacher. One idea around the class is for it to be made for kids to be able to do all the actual programming at school so that if kids can't get their hands on things like XCode they don't have to worry. One of the reasons for these bugs is that this is a new class in the school, and they actually changed stuff about it during the Summer(Went from C++ to C).
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-09 03:32:28
October 09 2012 03:28 GMT
#3455
On October 09 2012 11:36 3FFA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2012 10:00 Blisse wrote:
On October 09 2012 09:45 3FFA wrote:
On October 08 2012 05:45 3FFA wrote:
Apparently XCode can't print at my school, yet other applications like Word can so I have to copy+paste code into a Word Document to print it at school. Is this at all normal?

Also, my teacher has been looking for an online book of Programming in C (4.0, not 3.0).

edit: And my teacher just recently realized the reason computers weren't printing was because of XCode. We also can't correctly perform scanf statements yet either so we are basically stalled every couple weeks on one subject until the next subject is fixed T.T

To make matters worse, since the people that actually help with computers throughout the school are being overworked during the beginning of the school year and then under-worked towards the end there are only 2.


My questions....they feel lonely... they have yet to find an answer. They are still... single.... forever alone.... =_[


It's been one day yo. And anyone who doesn't use a Mac can't comment. And everyone who hasn't had printing issues with XCode can't comment. Judging by a Google on that, no one has had any but you.

Also, if you are writing standard C programs, regardless of the text editor, scanf should work, otherwise your teacher is doing something wrong. Try to compile and run the C file via the Terminal please. You can write a C file in any text editor

Apparently the is we can't do certain things like scanf without an administrative user and pass and so they would have to make us admins, but if they do that, then trololol is totally going to occur. So, they have to figure out how to make us admins for just XCode but nothing else or find a workaround. Plus, since we have to do this with school we have to do it via rules and directions given by our teacher. One idea around the class is for it to be made for kids to be able to do all the actual programming at school so that if kids can't get their hands on things like XCode they don't have to worry. One of the reasons for these bugs is that this is a new class in the school, and they actually changed stuff about it during the Summer(Went from C++ to C).


I'm surprised you can actually do that.

Well you probably can't fix this, but draconian access privileges is usually due to incompetence, because they don't understand security properly, they just block rights to everything.

You could just auto re-image the HDs every night and then allow the student to do whatever they want.

So, they have to figure out how to make us admins for just XCode but nothing else or find a workaround.


I really hope "they" isn't referring to the network admins. I can't believe someone would think of trying something like that, let alone try and figure it out.
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lolmlg
Profile Joined November 2011
619 Posts
October 09 2012 17:23 GMT
#3456
On October 09 2012 12:28 sluggaslamoo wrote:
draconian access privileges is usually due to incompetence, because they don't understand security properly, they just block rights to everything

That's the proper way to handle security. Incompetence would be trying to explicitly block individual things and allow the rest.
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
October 09 2012 19:17 GMT
#3457
they is indeed referring to the network admins.
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-10 06:02:58
October 10 2012 06:01 GMT
#3458
On October 10 2012 02:23 lolmlg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2012 12:28 sluggaslamoo wrote:
draconian access privileges is usually due to incompetence, because they don't understand security properly, they just block rights to everything

That's the proper way to handle security. Incompetence would be trying to explicitly block individual things and allow the rest.


So which is better?

1. Re-image the HD every night and allow a lot of freedom for the user.

2. Don't re-image, just block everything and make it impossible for the user to actually do anything.

I've known good sys-ops and bad ones, the bad ones just block everything because they don't know what they are doing and don't want to get into trouble, the good ones actually figure out how to give users maximum flexibility while still maintaining security.

Productivity generates value, not security. Generating value is always the top priority.
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3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
October 10 2012 10:15 GMT
#3459
Thing is my school chooses #2 because they don't have enough staff. 2 People to cover at least 150-200 computers? (Estimated)
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
October 10 2012 13:22 GMT
#3460
On October 10 2012 19:15 3FFA wrote:
Thing is my school chooses #2 because they don't have enough staff. 2 People to cover at least 150-200 computers? (Estimated)


You automate it, I dunno how they do it.
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