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On June 01 2010 19:14 Spenguin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2010 18:40 Armut wrote:On June 01 2010 18:24 Subversive wrote:On June 01 2010 18:06 Armut wrote:On June 01 2010 17:47 Subversive wrote:On June 01 2010 17:08 Armut wrote:On June 01 2010 14:17 Two_DoWn wrote:
Just a question Armut, but if America and the rest of the west backs down from supporting Israel and switches to a more balanced diplomacy in the middle east (ie, forces israel to end the blockade and begins to pour aid into the region), would this stem the tide of radical anti americanism?
I ask because all we get in america is the standard "oh, all arabs hate you and want you dead, they all have nukes and can blow us to smithereens at any moment" (similar to the claims made about the USSR, which were later proven false). It would be nice to hear what the actual feelings are over there. I will start by giving some facts, have you heard by any chance that the most anti-american nation in the world in the recent surveys for over 6-7 years are Turks http://www.aim.org/guest-column/turkeys-anti-americanism/ This one is an article about how bad Turkey is etc but you can get some facts about the Anti Americanism here. http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1212-Turkey-is-the-most-anti-American-country.htmlhttp://www.newsweekturkiye.com/haberler/detay/20936/En-anti-Amerikan-devlet this one is a Turkish source There are 2 main reason in the last 10 years my people's view on US, completaly changed. You might not care you might not understand it doesnt matter I will say anyways. Everything started with the actions taken in Afganistan shortly after the Iraq invasion and the most important one is the unconditioned support for Israel. Turkish people (at least most of us) know that the pro israelist jews in America, ruling the biggest corporations and supporting Israel by controling the state organs or pressuring them with lobbies. When an average Turkish person says something about "I hate US etc" you can most likely skip it since we mean no harm to US citizens who are not actually responsible for the things thats happening. All country has some racists and facist so some kinda reactions might happen here too but for 10 years nothing extreme happened. Pulling support from Israel will cause a relief in the Anti American view but I will be honest with you my friend, the damage is done. Especially with Iraq war after over 1 million civilians death, women raped kids death and the total destruction of historical cities, torture in prisons, spent all the credit once Americans had in our minds. Turkey's anti americanism is not exactly based on the double faced Israeli support but it is based on the Iraq and Afganistan war and the support US gave to PKK (againt muslim countries) The sad thing is we dont hate Americans but we hate the US policy and we most likely understand the Americans themselves are not actually ruling their own country but the giant corporations enslaved them into working machines and they somehow thinking they are free just because they can say bad things about anything they want  One day soon enough from today my country will have the power again as we had historicly almost gain it all the time between 2-3 hundreds years and this is something no one can stop. Today yes you have the power but for tomorrow dont be so sure. I hope the friends in US and all around the world realizes this and sees what kinda damage their country did and how foolish it is to expect an easiy get away from the consequences. TL,DR; Yes it will help alot but the main anti american stream here is based on the Iraq and Afgan war and the Pro Israel Jews in US and CIA supporting PKK to have a card against us which they are failing today since their own weapon to terrorize world is turned to themselves. Today we belaive the Americans themselves are not in charge of their country and the presidents they choose are not free to do what they belaive either sicne there icredible pressure from the pro israel lobbies and corporations. Yet the damage is done in Iraq and Afganistan, and insisting support on Israel for no reason will cause more damage. For gods sake can you please separate the idea between corporations and Jewish people? I found this so highly offensive. The far right in america are NOT the jewish people. Gods... this is so wrong and so obviously based on dislike of Israel. There is huge support for general human rights and peace within the Jewish communities all around the world. Do not condemn a racial group within a country based on the actions of a government half way around the world. It is truly lamentable. It would be similiar to attacking all americans for the actions of one of their administrations. Lastly do not let the Bush administration off so easily by saying they had no power within their own country. Bush and his cronies ARE the corporations. you havent read my old messages on the subject we are not idiots we know what is Zionism and what is being jew. I also said we know there are lots and lots of jew all around the wold that does not support the acts of Israel and US. That was just an example and ofcourse it is stupid to blame everything on Israel and Jews and say "no Us has no free will" I diditn say that I just made a point about Obama today was not actually referring to Bush sorry for being vague there. I highly agree with the last sentences you said that bush and the friends of him were the corporations. Geez really? I must have just imagined these sentences then. Oh and I don't need to read your previous comments to have a problem with these: On June 01 2010 17:08 Armut wrote:Turkish people (at least most of us) know that the pro israelist jews in America, ruling the biggest corporations and supporting Israel by controling the state organs or pressuring them with lobbies. Today we belaive the Americans themselves are not in charge of their country and the presidents they choose are not free to do what they belaive either sicne there icredible pressure from the pro israel lobbies and corporations. I suggest if you don't wish to be casting racial aspersions that you delete this or reword it. There's no racial aspersion in any of those messages being against pro Israel corporations and foundations is not being anti semitist. Therefore I will not remove any of those messages you can make Europeans do such things to not to offend pro Israelists but not us sorry. The aptitude about understanding every criticism or belaif agains Pro Israelists as racisim/anti semitizm is something that you might want to change, not me. Those views are common amongst people who hate the Jews and trolls, as English is most likely your second language you probably don't understand what you have said so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
What he said was, as you say, a common view held by extreme right-wing facists, racists and conservatives. What he said is complete bs and should be censured in the extreme. I'm not even american and I find that comment offensive. It is wrong and on so many levels and disgustingly racist.
I wholeheartedly condemn Israel's actions but I hate anti-semiticism even more.
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I submit this thread as more proof that the human rights abuses in Gaza will continue on unnoticed. We've got a bunch of non-Turks and non-Israelis arguing the Turkey-Israel issue, and totally ignoring the greater problem. Sweet!
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Israel was right in what they did. They told the ship to stop and the ship kept going and they told the ship it was being boarded. When they get on the ship to search the some of 700+ people trying taking the weapons away from the soldiers? wtf? what would you do if someone you don't know is trying to forcefully take your gun away? im glad israel was smart investiagting the ship. they are attacked every single day by terrorist, they have be certain the aid ships are not a cover for weapons smuggling.the media needs to be not so one sided and give a different perspective on the situation at hand.
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On June 01 2010 22:14 Subversive wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2010 19:14 Spenguin wrote:On June 01 2010 18:40 Armut wrote:On June 01 2010 18:24 Subversive wrote:On June 01 2010 18:06 Armut wrote:On June 01 2010 17:47 Subversive wrote:On June 01 2010 17:08 Armut wrote:On June 01 2010 14:17 Two_DoWn wrote:
Just a question Armut, but if America and the rest of the west backs down from supporting Israel and switches to a more balanced diplomacy in the middle east (ie, forces israel to end the blockade and begins to pour aid into the region), would this stem the tide of radical anti americanism?
I ask because all we get in america is the standard "oh, all arabs hate you and want you dead, they all have nukes and can blow us to smithereens at any moment" (similar to the claims made about the USSR, which were later proven false). It would be nice to hear what the actual feelings are over there. I will start by giving some facts, have you heard by any chance that the most anti-american nation in the world in the recent surveys for over 6-7 years are Turks http://www.aim.org/guest-column/turkeys-anti-americanism/ This one is an article about how bad Turkey is etc but you can get some facts about the Anti Americanism here. http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1212-Turkey-is-the-most-anti-American-country.htmlhttp://www.newsweekturkiye.com/haberler/detay/20936/En-anti-Amerikan-devlet this one is a Turkish source There are 2 main reason in the last 10 years my people's view on US, completaly changed. You might not care you might not understand it doesnt matter I will say anyways. Everything started with the actions taken in Afganistan shortly after the Iraq invasion and the most important one is the unconditioned support for Israel. Turkish people (at least most of us) know that the pro israelist jews in America, ruling the biggest corporations and supporting Israel by controling the state organs or pressuring them with lobbies. When an average Turkish person says something about "I hate US etc" you can most likely skip it since we mean no harm to US citizens who are not actually responsible for the things thats happening. All country has some racists and facist so some kinda reactions might happen here too but for 10 years nothing extreme happened. Pulling support from Israel will cause a relief in the Anti American view but I will be honest with you my friend, the damage is done. Especially with Iraq war after over 1 million civilians death, women raped kids death and the total destruction of historical cities, torture in prisons, spent all the credit once Americans had in our minds. Turkey's anti americanism is not exactly based on the double faced Israeli support but it is based on the Iraq and Afganistan war and the support US gave to PKK (againt muslim countries) The sad thing is we dont hate Americans but we hate the US policy and we most likely understand the Americans themselves are not actually ruling their own country but the giant corporations enslaved them into working machines and they somehow thinking they are free just because they can say bad things about anything they want One day soon enough from today my country will have the power again as we had historicly almost gain it all the time between 2-3 hundreds years and this is something no one can stop. Today yes you have the power but for tomorrow dont be so sure. I hope the friends in US and all around the world realizes this and sees what kinda damage their country did and how foolish it is to expect an easiy get away from the consequences. TL,DR; Yes it will help alot but the main anti american stream here is based on the Iraq and Afgan war and the Pro Israel Jews in US and CIA supporting PKK to have a card against us which they are failing today since their own weapon to terrorize world is turned to themselves. Today we belaive the Americans themselves are not in charge of their country and the presidents they choose are not free to do what they belaive either sicne there icredible pressure from the pro israel lobbies and corporations. Yet the damage is done in Iraq and Afganistan, and insisting support on Israel for no reason will cause more damage. For gods sake can you please separate the idea between corporations and Jewish people? I found this so highly offensive. The far right in america are NOT the jewish people. Gods... this is so wrong and so obviously based on dislike of Israel. There is huge support for general human rights and peace within the Jewish communities all around the world. Do not condemn a racial group within a country based on the actions of a government half way around the world. It is truly lamentable. It would be similiar to attacking all americans for the actions of one of their administrations. Lastly do not let the Bush administration off so easily by saying they had no power within their own country. Bush and his cronies ARE the corporations. you havent read my old messages on the subject we are not idiots we know what is Zionism and what is being jew. I also said we know there are lots and lots of jew all around the wold that does not support the acts of Israel and US. That was just an example and ofcourse it is stupid to blame everything on Israel and Jews and say "no Us has no free will" I diditn say that I just made a point about Obama today was not actually referring to Bush sorry for being vague there. I highly agree with the last sentences you said that bush and the friends of him were the corporations. Geez really? I must have just imagined these sentences then. Oh and I don't need to read your previous comments to have a problem with these: On June 01 2010 17:08 Armut wrote:Turkish people (at least most of us) know that the pro israelist jews in America, ruling the biggest corporations and supporting Israel by controling the state organs or pressuring them with lobbies. Today we belaive the Americans themselves are not in charge of their country and the presidents they choose are not free to do what they belaive either sicne there icredible pressure from the pro israel lobbies and corporations. I suggest if you don't wish to be casting racial aspersions that you delete this or reword it. There's no racial aspersion in any of those messages being against pro Israel corporations and foundations is not being anti semitist. Therefore I will not remove any of those messages you can make Europeans do such things to not to offend pro Israelists but not us sorry. The aptitude about understanding every criticism or belaif agains Pro Israelists as racisim/anti semitizm is something that you might want to change, not me. Those views are common amongst people who hate the Jews and trolls, as English is most likely your second language you probably don't understand what you have said so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. What he said was, as you say, a common view held by extreme right-wing facists, racists and conservatives. What he said is complete bs and should be censured in the extreme. I'm not even american and I find that comment offensive. It is wrong and on so many levels and disgustingly racist. I wholeheartedly condemn Israel's actions but I hate anti-semiticism even more.
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That's what he's talking about. Right up there with the NRA and AARP in terms of power.
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On June 01 2010 22:15 Jibba wrote:
I submit this thread as more proof that the human rights abuses in Gaza will continue on unnoticed. We've got a bunch of non-Turks and non-Israelis arguing the Turkey-Israel issue, and totally ignoring the greater problem. Sweet!
It's hard to discuss the human rights abuses with people who support Israels actions there since they basically deny their existence. It's almost like discussing evolution with a creationist.
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There will be no action taken about this incident, like any others, the slaughterfest will go on.
Proof:
Year 1967, during the 6-Day War, the U.S. -declared her neutrality, wanted to see the development in the region thus sent the ship "USS Liberty" to east mediterranian.
Armed with light weapons, the USS Liberty carried military officials and civilians, also carried a large sized flag of the U.S.
At noon, Israeli jets' attacks started on the USS Liberty, attacks with machine guns and rockets are followed by "Napalm Bombs".
Having high military officials and civilian crew dead, the U.S. soldiers called help from an "aircraft carrier ship".
2 "F-4" took-off with Nuclear weapons to retaliate Israel. But when the transmission of that took-off reached Pentagon and Ministry of Defence, McNamara, he raged and ordered planes to immediately come back.
the USS Liberty, got attacked for 2,5 hours, had 34 dead and 177 injured.
Israel declared that it was an accident.
For 43 years, not a single U.S. President asked for any junctions about this attack.
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On June 01 2010 22:04 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2010 21:47 sc4k wrote:
Israel always seems to go that extra step to show people not to fuck with it. Perhaps if it hadn't been so uncompromisingly aggressive, it might have been attacked in even MORE wars than it already has been...I can understand the 'caged cat' mentality. Not saying I condone anything they do. when you jsut decide that a new country that hates and is hated by evryone around suddenly is there you have to expect conflicts. i mean what would happen some people decide there should be a north korean colony in the midst of the usa.enforced by the eu. do you really think the americans that lived there/around it would be happy?or the US decide to scrap luxemburg and give it to all their immigrants(stupid example.whatever) do you think they would just accept that some guys decided that their land now belongs to someone else? if it wasnt for the huge backings by the US and the whole western governments it couldnt do what they do all the time. we kill so many people and judge so many countries based on how they treat human rights. but this doesnt apply to israel. imagine north korea wouldve attack US supply ship or bomb "terrorist cells" in south korea or wherever. the freakin sky would be burning. but israel can do that ofc. im kinda biased cause one of my best friends family lived there before their land was given to someone else. when you hear from his dad the story how their whole "clan" was shattered, many died and cousins are in prison since years for throwing stones then you got a different view on this. ofc this i kinda onesided from them but you get a feeling for what it is like when you jsut want to live on and suddenly someone decides that you have to gtfo your home.
Exactly... If you went and partitioned another country so another race and come in and build their own country, the country you just split up would be pissed as hell.
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On June 01 2010 22:17 matt09 wrote:
Israel was right in what they did. They told the ship to stop and the ship kept going and they told the ship it was being boarded. When they get on the ship to search the some of 700+ people trying taking the weapons away from the soldiers? wtf? what would you do if someone you don't know is trying to forcefully take your gun away? im glad israel was smart investiagting the ship. they attacked everyday by terrorist everyday, they have be certain the aid ships are not a cover for weapons smuggling. media needs to be not so one sided and give a different perspective on the situation.
This is STILL being taken as justification?
Matt, if you post again I WARN you I will come to your house and beat you up.
Hilarious, right? Only because you and I both know perfectly well I don't know where you live, and nobody knows if I could beat you up. What if I could find out, and was much stronger than you? What if I could do that to everyone posting here? Would everyone sit around and be like "damn, son, he told you he would kick your ass, wtf is wrong with you, posting again?" and just tiptoe around me for the rest of their lives because I have might on my side?
INTERNATIONAL waters, dude. This isn't a situation in which you can invoke the "castle doctrine" they weren't in their 'home' territory.
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OK, the analogy horse has well and truly been flogged to death in this thread
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You're using the most tired metaphor in the English language to express your exasperation with analogies? I hope that was ironic
On a more serious note, I think people have started switching to analogies because the situation is complex and not one that most people can viscerally relate to. The analogies are difficult to get right, of course, because of the complexity of the situation but theres no law saying we shouldn't try. And a lot of them are analogizing only a slice of the overall cluster**** which is a little simpler.
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as usual, both sides are in the wrong here, but the media for each group is going to skew it so poorly...
the pro gaza troops are wrong for being stupid enough to think that nothing is going to happen when you barge right ahead into a blockade that is set up by a country that is on constant defense against what are mostly non-uniformed combatants. gee, i wonder why the isrealis are slightly untrusting of diplomats, journalists and the like—not like they have what seems to be normal, everyday palestinians blowing themselves up with regularity in tel aviv...
and, as is the way in isreal, the troops deal with a fly by shooting it with a goddamn cannon. for a country that's really become a military power, they have absolutely no damn clue about pr and just keeping their public image...
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On June 01 2010 22:04 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2010 21:47 sc4k wrote:
Israel always seems to go that extra step to show people not to fuck with it. Perhaps if it hadn't been so uncompromisingly aggressive, it might have been attacked in even MORE wars than it already has been...I can understand the 'caged cat' mentality. Not saying I condone anything they do. im kinda biased cause one of my best friends family lived there before their land was given to someone else. when you hear from his dad the story how their whole "clan" was shattered, many died and cousins are in prison since years for throwing stones then you got a different view on this. ofc this i kinda onesided from them but you get a feeling for what it is like when you jsut want to live on and suddenly someone decides that you have to gtfo your home.
I can understand the 'wronged original inhabitant' mentality of the Arabs too. Don't get me wrong, I'm not pro-anyone in this tragic conflict. It's so sad and horrible what the Israelis have done to your friend's family and countless others. But it's also so outrageous that the Arabs tried to attack Israel on Yom Kippur in '73...can you imagine starting a war on Christmas?? There are loads of wrongs on either side. It's a lot like the hundred years war between England and France...both sides were to blame and it just carried on and on and on. To be honest, condemning either side seems pointless to me. Finding a two state solution or expelling all the jews to Easter Island seem to be the only two options as far as I can see.
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On June 01 2010 22:19 beetlejuice wrote:
There will be no action taken about this incident, like any others, the slaughterfest will go on.
Proof:
Year 1967, during the 6-Day War, the U.S. -declared her neutrality, wanted to see the development in the region thus sent the ship "USS Liberty" to east mediterranian.
Armed with light weapons, the USS Liberty carried military officials and civilians, also carried a large sized flag of the U.S.
At noon, Israeli jets' attacks started on the USS Liberty, attacks with machine guns and rockets are followed by "Napalm Bombs".
Having high military officials and civilian crew dead, the U.S. soldiers called help from an "aircraft carrier ship".
2 "F-4" took-off with Nuclear weapons to retaliate Israel. But when the transmission of that took-off reached Pentagon and Ministry of Defence, McNamara, he raged and ordered planes to immediately come back.
the USS Liberty, got attacked for 2,5 hours, had 34 dead and 177 injured.
Israel declared that it was an accident.
For 43 years, not a single U.S. President asked for any junctions about this attack.
Stop beating a dead horse. That incident was clearly an accident and United States accepted as such. Israel made good on compensation for the Victims.
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On June 01 2010 22:04 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2010 21:47 sc4k wrote:
Israel always seems to go that extra step to show people not to fuck with it. Perhaps if it hadn't been so uncompromisingly aggressive, it might have been attacked in even MORE wars than it already has been...I can understand the 'caged cat' mentality. Not saying I condone anything they do. when you jsut decide that a new country that hates and is hated by evryone around suddenly is there you have to expect conflicts. i mean what would happen some people decide there should be a north korean colony in the midst of the usa.enforced by the eu. do you really think the americans that lived there/around it would be happy?or the US decide to scrap luxemburg and give it to all their immigrants(stupid example.whatever) do you think they would just accept that some guys decided that their land now belongs to someone else? if it wasnt for the huge backings by the US and the whole western governments it couldnt do what they do all the time. we kill so many people and judge so many countries based on how they treat human rights. but this doesnt apply to israel. imagine north korea wouldve attack US supply ship or bomb "terrorist cells" in south korea or wherever. the freakin sky would be burning. but israel can do that ofc. im kinda biased cause one of my best friends family lived there before their land was given to someone else. when you hear from his dad the story how their whole "clan" was shattered, many died and cousins are in prison since years for throwing stones then you got a different view on this. ofc this i kinda onesided from them but you get a feeling for what it is like when you jsut want to live on and suddenly someone decides that you have to gtfo your home.
A friend of mine, of german extraction was born in Palestine in 1946. His family were german democratic socialists who had fled Nazi Germany before WWII. When the state of Israel was being created, Israeli commando's forcefully evicted a neighborhood in the middle of the night. His mother and father were shot in front of their 4 children for being "german nazis". He and his brothers and sister (all children under 13) were only spared by the soldiers when a neighbor of Swiss extraction begged them to let her take them. She emigrated to Australia.
When Hans returned to Israel he was followed by Israeli security personnel for the entire 2 weeks he stayed in "their" country. He was also interviewed for over 8 hours before being allowed to leave the airport.
Israel is not a natural state, like alot of countries it came about in blood, immorality and slaughter. It is a conquered and occupied land and to declare it as anything else is as repugnant as suggesting that America or Australia were "colonised". When you invade a country and enslave the population, after first defeating and killing a significant number, you cannot be said to have settled there.
But this doesn't mean you should hate Jews, any more than you should hate German people for what happened in Nazi Germany. Every people has blood on their hands if you go back far enough. I just tell this story in support of BeMannerDuPenner's story, not to invite attack or debate. It is a personal story and not open to anyone else's interpretation. If you weren't there when his parents were murdered, have some respect for the dead and keep your silence.
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come beat me up then, if you actually fly all the way around the world to meet me for a fight i will fight you. otherwise you will have dropped like $1000 just on airline ticket plus another $1000 on the trip back. israel should have waited until they entered their waters but chit happens.
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On June 01 2010 22:36 sc4k wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2010 22:04 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:On June 01 2010 21:47 sc4k wrote:
Israel always seems to go that extra step to show people not to fuck with it. Perhaps if it hadn't been so uncompromisingly aggressive, it might have been attacked in even MORE wars than it already has been...I can understand the 'caged cat' mentality. Not saying I condone anything they do. im kinda biased cause one of my best friends family lived there before their land was given to someone else. when you hear from his dad the story how their whole "clan" was shattered, many died and cousins are in prison since years for throwing stones then you got a different view on this. ofc this i kinda onesided from them but you get a feeling for what it is like when you jsut want to live on and suddenly someone decides that you have to gtfo your home. I can understand the 'wronged original inhabitant' mentality of the Arabs too. Don't get me wrong, I'm not pro-anyone in this tragic conflict. It's so sad and horrible what the Israelis have done to your friend's family and countless others. But it's also so outrageous that the Arabs tried to attack Israel on Yom Kippur in '73...can you imagine starting a war on Christmas?? There are loads of wrongs on either side. It's a lot like the hundred years war between England and France...both sides were to blame and it just carried on and on and on. To be honest, condemning either side seems pointless to me. Finding a two state solution or expelling all the jews to Easter Island seem to be the only two options as far as I can see.
That's not really outrageous at all; attacks on holidays happen all the time, it's simple strategy. For example, the North Vietnamese launched their biggest assault on the Tet new year.
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On June 01 2010 22:32 Autofire2 wrote:You're using the most tired metaphor in the English language to express your exasperation with analogies? I hope that was ironic
Nope it wasn't,
On a more serious note, I think people have started switching to analogies because the situation is complex and not one that most people can viscerally relate to. The analogies are difficult to get right, of course, because of the complexity of the situation but theres no law saying we shouldn't try. And a lot of them are analogizing only a slice of the overall cluster**** which is a little simpler.
From the last 29 pages, I've not come across a single analogy that is any good, that's what I'm basing my judgement on, can't recall if I used any, but if I did, it would have been shite too
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While, i dont condone violence, a clear warning was issued. And if they were truly "aid" vessels they wouldnt have had the means or the will to resist and cause shootouts/violence.
I would be willing to bet those ships were nothing but gun runners disguised as "aid ships" to supply islamic militants with weapons, and to me, it seems that israel is just being made out to be the bad guys.
If this was a group of UN aid workers, that would be a different story. But thats my opinion.
edit. For the sake of devils advocate and history. the Jews didnt necessarily break up a country that wasnt theirs ...Islam was founded in ~500AD, around the same time as christianity. The israelites and the old testament of judism had been established in the area long before that. The Israelites settled the area several hundred years BC. On top of that, its not like the country was just made of jews who came from Europe, there was already millions of jews living in what was then Palistine, and they had a fairly significant control of the region and were fighting for independence from the palistinian government. Its Strange that some people seem to think 10 million jews walzted into Israel univited and took a country from a 100% muslim population. Which isnt even close to true.
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 01 2010 22:19 beetlejuice wrote:
There will be no action taken about this incident, like any others, the slaughterfest will go on.
Proof:
Year 1967, during the 6-Day War, the U.S. -declared her neutrality, wanted to see the development in the region thus sent the ship "USS Liberty" to east mediterranian.
Armed with light weapons, the USS Liberty carried military officials and civilians, also carried a large sized flag of the U.S.
At noon, Israeli jets' attacks started on the USS Liberty, attacks with machine guns and rockets are followed by "Napalm Bombs".
Having high military officials and civilian crew dead, the U.S. soldiers called help from an "aircraft carrier ship".
2 "F-4" took-off with Nuclear weapons to retaliate Israel. But when the transmission of that took-off reached Pentagon and Ministry of Defence, McNamara, he raged and ordered planes to immediately come back.
the USS Liberty, got attacked for 2,5 hours, had 34 dead and 177 injured.
Israel declared that it was an accident.
For 43 years, not a single U.S. President asked for any junctions about this attack.
I can maybe just maybe draw a connection to what has happened in the past few days.
We don't know what happened because the information is being withheld indefinitely.
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On June 01 2010 22:04 Squeegy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2010 21:59 Mothxal wrote:On June 01 2010 21:55 Spenguin wrote:
Oh great more activists, instead of such a shitstorm maybe they should deliver their aid to Egypt now? Or to Ashdod again and not try and ram a blockade in the hopes being victimized. "She provoked me, she was just asking that I raped her." ?? That isn't analogous to the situation. Something like (yes, this is a very biased analogy) your neighbour stating that he will run over your house with a bulldozer and then proceeding to do it, while knowing that if you use excessive force to stop him, then you'll be in trouble. And that is what he wants, trouble for you, whether it's by bulldozing your house or by giving you bad PR.
Lmao. I'm not even sure who you're talking about. Thousands of palestinians have been evicted from their homes. And Israel has a well-known policy of destroying the homes of the family's of suicide bombers.
Jesus talk about a bad analogy
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