EPTNews: Israel Attacks Gazan Aid Flotilla - Page 22
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United States2554 Posts
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Autofire2
Pakistan290 Posts
On June 01 2010 08:09 toadstool wrote: And I'm not disputing the fact that Israel broke international waters law or anything. I think the laws of common sense overrides everything else. If a policeman with a gun pointed at you tells you to lie down on the ground and stop coming forward, then fucking do it do it. Don't fucking come forward and complain about US laws this or human rights bullshit. The guy has a gun pointed at you, just do what he says and bitch about it later. Common fucking sense. That spritzing sound was every jackbooted wannabe dictator/fascist in the world climaxing at the same time. Well done. | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On June 01 2010 08:21 EmeraldSparks wrote: It's like this: I'm flying a plane into Russia over the Arctic and declaring that I'm landing in Chechnya. Russia gives me a fighter escort and demands that I stop, or be fired upon. I tell them they're going to have to stop me by force. They attack me right outside their airspace. Does it really matter whether they shot me down before or after I crossed this invisible line? Also, why isn't everybody flipping a shit about the evil Egyptians who are participating in the Gaza blockade? Because we all know they don't really enforce it as all the tunnels leading into the gaza strip comes from Egypt, the same Egypt which help star the 6 day war by amassing a large force out side of the Israeli boarder, and waiting for other states to amass their troops calming they wouldn't do anything to Israeli | ||
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EmeraldSparks
United States1451 Posts
On June 01 2010 08:24 semantics wrote: Because we all know they don't really enforce it as all the tunnels leading into the gaza strip comes from Egypt, the same Egypt which help star the 6 day war by amassing a large force out side of the Israeli boarder, and waiting for other states to amass their troops calming they wouldn't do anything to Israeli Egypt recently started constructing a gigantic underground steel wall to prevent this from happening. The Six-Day War was a long time ago and Egypt normalized relations with Israel a while back. | ||
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Klockan3
Sweden2866 Posts
On June 01 2010 08:09 mass_ wrote: The soldiers are doing something that is illegal (boarding on a ship that is on the international waters), the crew has every right to do whatever the hell they want to do even though it is stupid. The soldiers are the real provocateurs here, not the crew... When you are facing military personnel of any country you are not at war with you do not attack them under any circumstance, they effectively got diplomatic immunity. If they did something wrong then there will be international reprisal, you never have the right to attack military people on duty. | ||
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mass_
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On June 01 2010 08:26 Klockan3 wrote: When you are facing military personnel of any country you are not at war with you do not attack them under any circumstance, they effectively got diplomatic immunity. If they did something wrong then there will be international reprisal, you never have the right to attack military people on duty. Are you kidding me? What if they start shooting you? (Which eventually they did) Don't be so biased... | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On June 01 2010 08:29 mass_ wrote: Are you kidding me? What if they start shooting you? (Which eventually they did) Don't be so biased... Because attacking them is going to make them less likely to shoot you. | ||
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Klockan3
Sweden2866 Posts
On June 01 2010 08:29 mass_ wrote: Are you kidding me? What if they start shooting you? (Which eventually they did) They started shooting since the passengers threatened their lives, with negligible exceptions countries never tell their military to shoot harmless people. It is the same deal with diplomatic immunity, you don't attack soldiers and the soldiers in general are well behaved. And it wasn't the soldiers who took the decision to board so you shouldn't try to kill them for it. If a soldier attacks you the worst thing you can do is try to defend yourself with lethal force, the correct thing to do is to stand there and take it. Since it is the military you are dealing with they will always win any confrontation and it is more likely that you get hurt the more you try to defend yourself, and the attackers are less likely to get prosecuted the more you defend yourself so it is totally useless. On June 01 2010 08:29 mass_ wrote: Don't be so biased... I'd say that to you as well. | ||
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Han Solo
United Kingdom199 Posts
On June 01 2010 08:29 mass_ wrote: Are you kidding me? What if they start shooting you? (Which eventually they did) Don't be so biased... They eventually started using weapons, after first using non-lethal weapons (paintball guns) and then being attacked with intent to kill. I repeat, two wrongs do not make a right. I do not have the right to kill a robber in my house if he does not pose an actual threat to me - this has happened to me twice by the way. Both times I locked my bedroom door and called the police and the robbers ran. If they did not get out after that, then sure, I was willing to use force, but peaceful options always need to be tried first, both for my personal saftey and so I don't kill someone for some petty crime. - or to kill a cop for illegally arresting me. There is such a thing as disproportionate force. | ||
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Masamune
Canada3401 Posts
On June 01 2010 08:26 Klockan3 wrote: When you are facing military personnel of any country you are not at war with you do not attack them under any circumstance, they effectively got diplomatic immunity. If they did something wrong then there will be international reprisal, you never have the right to attack military people on duty. You also don't invade ships on international waters without their approval. Israel was at fault here first, there is no disputing this. Get your head out of your ass. Also, these video footages are being released by the Israelis so I'm hesitant to say that they are from an objective point of view. | ||
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mass_
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On June 01 2010 08:32 semantics wrote: Because attacking them is going to make them less likely to shoot you. Israel always overreacts. You don't start shooting bullets if someone is attacking you with sticks and stones.. You have all the training you need to disarm a guy with a knife if you are a f.cking elite commando. It is almost like shooting a little girl attacking you with a lolipop... I guess this is what you get if you mess with Zohan.. Pathetic... | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On June 01 2010 08:36 mass_ wrote: Israel always overreacts. You don't start shooting bullets if someone is attacking you with sticks and stones.. You have all the training you need to disarm a guy with a knife if you are a f.cking elite commando. It is almost like shooting a little girl attacking you with a lolipop... I guess this is what you get if you mess with Zohan.. Pathetic... let's see 1 commando vs 10 guys, it's not a movie they are commandos not riot police which frankly i think would have been better in this situation if they could land them with riot gear. | ||
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Half
United States2554 Posts
On June 01 2010 08:29 mass_ wrote: Are you kidding me? What if they start shooting you? (Which eventually they did) hey didn't start shooting until AFTER YOU STARTED STABBING THEM AND BEATING THEM WITH METAL STICKS. Don't be so biased... ... -_-. | ||
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EmeraldSparks
United States1451 Posts
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mass_
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On June 01 2010 08:34 Han Solo wrote: They eventually started using weapons, after fist using non-lethal weapons (paintbull guns) and then being attacked with intent to kill. I repeat, two wrongs do not make a right. I do not have the right to kill a robber in my house if he does not pose an actual threat to me - this has happened to me twice by the way. Both times I locked my bedroom door and called the police and the robbers ran. If they did not get out after that, then sure, I was willing to use force, but peaceful options always need to be tried first, both for my personal saftey and so I don't kill someone for some petty crime. - or to kill a cop for illegally arresting me. There is such a thing as disproportionate force. Could it be because you are living in UK and subject to different law? You may not have the right to kill a robber in your house that is IN UK. But you have all the right to defend yourself if soldiers are illegally boarding on your ship... | ||
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Klockan3
Sweden2866 Posts
On June 01 2010 08:36 mass_ wrote: Israel always overreacts. You don't start shooting bullets if someone is attacking you with sticks and stones.. You have all the training you need to disarm a guy with a knife if you are a f.cking elite commando. It is almost like shooting a little girl attacking you with a lolipop... I guess this is what you get if you mess with Zohan.. Pathetic... They were several dozens of people hitting them with large objects, throwing them down to the lower bridge and down stairs. Also according to the Israel military two of their guys got shot by small arms fire but that wasn't shown in the video so you probably would denounce it as lies. But I would say that since the Israel got proof that at least parts of the other sides story was lies that they are the most trustworthy. On June 01 2010 08:38 EmeraldSparks wrote: The person in charge of the Israeli commandos was retarded and had them rappel down one by one. They weren't expecting a huge angry mob down there, they were expecting peaceful demonstrators... | ||
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Half
United States2554 Posts
On June 01 2010 08:36 mass_ wrote: Israel always overreacts. You don't start shooting bullets if someone is attacking you with sticks and stones.. You have all the training you need to disarm a guy with a knife if you are a f.cking elite commando. It is almost like shooting a little girl attacking you with a lolipop... I guess this is what you get if you mess with Zohan.. Pathetic... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo&feature=player_embedded Look, what the hell would you do. Could it be because you are living in UK and subject to different law? You may not have the right to kill a robber in your house that is IN UK. But you have all the right to defend yourself if soldiers are illegally boarding on your ship... look. If we're going to debate, you're going to have to read. The full blockade is illegal. Israel has none of my support here. Stopping and searching ships potentially shipping munitions, even in international waters, is not. Now, at this point, it is perfectly within Israels jurisdiction to search the ships, and send them on there way, possibly escorted by a naval vessel. They would have no reason to resist. Resisting that search is not legal. Violently resisting that search is not legal, and will only get you shot. | ||
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Squeegy
Finland1166 Posts
On June 01 2010 07:54 Klockan3 wrote: How would they be able to handle this?? You see these "peaceful" crew welcoming the soldiers warmly here... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo Peace activists.  Israel has my support, once again. | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On June 01 2010 08:38 EmeraldSparks wrote: The person in charge of the Israeli commandos was retarded and had them rappel down one by one. yeah that does seem rather stupid, but hey they were suppose to be humanitarians on a peace mission. Obviously that peace is not to Israelis | ||
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Han Solo
United Kingdom199 Posts
On June 01 2010 08:39 mass_ wrote: Could it be because you are living in UK and subject to different law? You may not have the right to kill a robber in your house that is IN UK. But you have all the right to defend yourself if soldiers are illegally boarding on your ship... Yeah, the law in this case is obviously in favour of the activists. But it's still disproportionate force anyway. Using my other example, if I got illegally arrested should be allowed to crack open that policeman's head? | ||
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