EPTArizona SB1070 Anti Immigration Law - Page 7
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Zealotdriver
United States1557 Posts
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v3chr0
United States856 Posts
Don't be mad at me because your Father didn't pull out in time. User was temp banned for this post | ||
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Zeke50100
United States2220 Posts
On May 12 2010 15:11 v3chr0 wrote: THERE IS NO "BASED ON COLOR", IT'S BASED ON SUSPICION! Lord in heaven, Jesus Christ, repel the ignorance of these people. Edit: Jibba, it's called friends and the media. Anyway, I'm done dealing with e-diots. The suspicion is that they are a different color. It's as simple as that. Just because the wording of the law CLAIMS it is for reasonable suspicion doesn't mean that it isn't just simple stereotypes. | ||
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v3chr0
United States856 Posts
racist racist racist! Thats what you're doing with this law. | ||
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Zeke50100
United States2220 Posts
On May 12 2010 15:23 v3chr0 wrote: "The suspicion is that they are a different color" oh man, you a racist! racist racist racist! Don't call me racist by saying that others are. If I mention that Hitler was a Nazi, does that make me a Nazi? No, but it's the truth. EDIT: Ah, you edited. Well, I am saying the law is racist. It is inherently racist. But I also say it's unconstitutional, which it is. | ||
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Zealotdriver
United States1557 Posts
On May 12 2010 15:19 v3chr0 wrote: Definitely bro, My Mom dropped a 6 pool and I was out by 9 supply. Don't be mad at me because your Father didn't pull out in time. I'm trying to get you to think about what it means to be a citizen. How do you interact with the society and economy around you? Do you vote? Do you work? Do you help build your community? Do you volunteer anywhere? Do you discuss politics with people in real life without resorting to insults as you do on the internet? What makes one person more worthy of the privileges associated with citizenship than another? Do you really believe geographic location of the mother's vagina is the best measure of a person? | ||
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v3chr0
United States856 Posts
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hacpee
United States752 Posts
The point is that we need to get rid of the illegals fast, no matter how long they have been here. These people multiply fast and are draining the budgets of states.You have an illegal male and female come and they will multiply fast. 9-10 babies later, you have the state handing out thousands of dollars to take care of these anchor babies. You have public schools forced to provide schooling for the anchor babies. This isn't racial. This is economic. The US just can't afford to take in all of Mexico's poor residents. We have enough poor people to support as it is. Perhaps a few exceptions can be made for illegals that are wealthy and have had successful businesses. They can stay, but all the day laborers and others who are stealing US jobs need to GTFO. | ||
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Romantic
United States1844 Posts
On May 12 2010 15:55 v3chr0 wrote: You make a good point Zealot, maybe one day Human kind will be enlightened enough to make decisions based upon what you said, but till that happens, being a citizen and not being one are the only details considered. Ah, how did I guess. Another good vs evil, there-is-no-gray person. Good to know. | ||
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hacpee
United States752 Posts
On May 12 2010 15:26 Zealotdriver wrote: I'm trying to get you to think about what it means to be a citizen. How do you interact with the society and economy around you? Do you vote? Do you work? Do you help build your community? Do you volunteer anywhere? Do you discuss politics with people in real life without resorting to insults as you do on the internet? What makes one person more worthy of the privileges associated with citizenship than another? Do you really believe geographic location of the mother's vagina is the best measure of a person? Heres the thing. if you were born in the US, you lucked out. Everyone else who was born in a 3rd world country. too bad for them. They got the short end of the stick. They need to live with that. If all the poor people from the 3rd world countries, no matter how hard working they were, were allowed to come to the US, the country would be a shithole. Our GDP would plummet extremely fast. We wouldn't be able to support all of them. Thats why we need to make a stand and prevent any more illegals from coming into the US. | ||
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Agavond
448 Posts
But of course the spaniards colonized the southern inhabitants which created a mixture of native/spanish/indian/filippino the people you see today residing in latin america. I am not going to point fingers but europeans are being very hypocritical when they immigrated into this continent by illegally sailing here on the mayflower. Anyone with a history master's degree can you explain this please? | ||
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StarMasterX
United States113 Posts
On May 12 2010 13:21 statix wrote:That would just result in widespread discrimination. The thought of being forced to provide proof of citizenship or be detained is enraging. I'm a legit American citizen who just so happens to be hispanic; that means I get to be treated differently? Awesome. They are only asking for things that most people carry on them anyways. All I keep hearing are cries of racism. Let me ask you this...how do you propose they solve the problem? How about creating a law which doesn't discriminate against millions of americans? What is the law you would propose? | ||
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Eskii
Canada544 Posts
Sure, because what happened in Germany in the 1930s is SO much like being pulled over and asked for your fucking documentation. The bottom line is that racial profiling is a good indicator if someone is an illegal immigrant or not. Go look up the stats on the number of illegal immigrants, now go look at the racial breakdown, see any fucking patterns? On May 12 2010 17:00 Sins wrote: Wait, aren't Mexicans indigenous people? How is it that northern natives (american indians) have received land reservations when southern natives (mexicans) haven't received any benefits? Also aren't mexicans and native indians that of the same people? Didn't they both cross the bering strait together and diverged into different routes once they appeared on the continent? But of course the spaniards colonized the southern inhabitants which created a mixture of native/spanish/indian/filippino the people you see today residing in latin america. I am not going to point fingers but europeans are being very hypocritical when they immigrated into this continent by illegally sailing here on the mayflower. Anyone with a history master's degree can you explain this please? Yes, Mexicans are indigenous people, but they decided to try and form a nation, fought the U.S. numerous times, and lost. Unlike the Native Americans, who really shouldn't be classified as such because it is an incredibly non-descriptive title, who had their entire territory swallowed by the U.S., thus losing all of their rights to self governance and have since suffered tremendously. Also, if you want to say that the Mexicans have received no benefits, I would ask you to look into the amount of aid that Mexico has received over the years versus how much aid the "Native Americans" have received over the years. If you want to call them the same people, go ahead, but we are all African, so it is a slippery slope as far as that argument goes. Now, as for the Spanish (and Portuguese) colonising (but mostly mining) Southern and Central America, there was certainly a mix created, but it must be remembered that most of South America remains visibly identifiable as a result of their "pure" (rofl) heritage. As for your comments on "illegally sailing here on the mayflower"... Firstly, why was it illegal? Secondly, why are you bringing up a ship that has little to no significance, especially in this debate? Thirdly, why on earth did you think that someone with a history degree would have to explain this? | ||
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Romantic
United States1844 Posts
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
On May 12 2010 14:41 Jibba wrote: First of all, it explicitly encroaches on federal jurisdiction. I'm not really sure how to explain that any clearer. Napolitano has said as much. Second, there was one stupid case of violence that was used to gain a moral majority, without any research supporting the notion that irregular migrants cause more crime (besides the actual border crossing part.) The available research shows the opposite. I'm quite sure this is true and I'm glad somebody brought it up. I don't want to derail the thread or anything, but so frequently the case against illegal immigration is made on the grounds that illegal immigrants are more criminally inclined and cause instability and violence because they get here and start committing crimes as a result of poverty. Illegal immigrants also supposedly cause a burden on taxpayers because almost nobody in poverty is a net tax-payer, and illegal immigrants are still extended some free government services. I realize there are other reasons like destabilizing the labor market, but the crime and taxes reasons seem to really hit people. I think everyone is looking at this the wrong way. If they get arrested and jailed, they're highly likely to be deported. I'd contest that illegal immigrants are less prone to crime because the legal consequences are much higher. The have more incentive to lay low and not piss off Johnny Law. Now their offspring are an entirely different story. Children of illegal immigrants don't have things too good. Their parents probably weren't too bright to begin with and it's unlikely they'll fair well in the genetic lottery. Their parents often have multiple kids they can't really support or give sufficient attention to. The kids often going to grow up in bad neighborhoods with bad schools nearby and not get much quality attention and guidance with their parents who are off working. They seem to frequently adopt underclass ghetto values, and with few life prospects ahead of them having been born into poverty, it's probably not an outlandish claim to say that this group is more criminally inclined. The increased tax dollars spent as a result of more illegal immigrants are further not spent on the immigrants themselves, but once again their children. Children plainly and simply are going to make more use of tax-payer funded services, most especially public education. People who whine about the tax burdens of increased illegal immigration might have it a little wrong, it's the illegal immigrants having so many children they can't support which is really responsible. I'd be really curious to see some statistics on the birth/fertility rates by race, citizenship status, and socio-economic placement. Maybe instead of combating illegal immigration to reduce crime/burdens on tax payers, which sound like the whole reasons for combating illegal immigration in the first place we should be combating stupid and/or poor people (of any race, and not just immigrant populations) from having so many kids they can't support or raise properly. | ||
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hacpee
United States752 Posts
On May 12 2010 17:00 Sins wrote: Wait, aren't Mexicans indigenous people? How is it that northern natives (american indians) have received land reservations when southern natives (mexicans) haven't received any benefits? Also aren't mexicans and native indians that of the same people? Didn't they both cross the bering strait together and diverged into different routes once they appeared on the continent? But of course the spaniards colonized the southern inhabitants which created a mixture of native/spanish/indian/filippino the people you see today residing in latin america. I am not going to point fingers but europeans are being very hypocritical when they immigrated into this continent by illegally sailing here on the mayflower. Anyone with a history master's degree can you explain this please? Why do the Indians receive special treatment? No fucking clue. We should take away that special treatment. We won all the land fair and square, through wars and battle. Just like we won the southwest US through war. If Mexico wants that land back, it can declare war on us. However, I wouldn't advise it as Mexico would be obliterated in seconds. | ||
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hacpee
United States752 Posts
On May 12 2010 17:51 Romantic wrote: Bottom line racial profiling is illegal, brah Its not racial profiling. In the police world, its called matching a profile. If someone called and said she'd been raped by a black guy 7 foot tall, do you think we'd be asking white guys who are 5'5 if they raped that girl? No fucking way. If a black guy 7 foot tall walked by, do you think the police would question him? Yes fucking way! Even if the guy didn't do it, he matches the profile so there's a chance he did the crime. | ||
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HnR)hT
United States3468 Posts
On May 12 2010 23:22 hacpee wrote: Its not racial profiling. In the police world, its called matching a profile. If someone called and said she'd been raped by a black guy 7 foot tall, do you think we'd be asking white guys who are 5'5 if they raped that girl? No fucking way. If a black guy 7 foot tall walked by, do you think the police would question him? Yes fucking way! Even if the guy didn't do it, he matches the profile so there's a chance he did the crime. Blacks should support racial profiling by the police since they are the ones who would benefit most from it, being the main victims of black criminals, and considering that profiling has proven effective in reducing crime. Similarly, blacks (and the poor generally) are the biggest beneficiaries of harsh prison sentences for criminals, and oughtn't protest the fact that the demographics of prison inmates reflect those of the criminals. For similar reasons, Mexican citizens of the U.S. should support Arizona's law, as many of them in fact do in spite of the organized ethnic lobbies purporting to speak on their behalf. | ||
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statix
United States1760 Posts
On May 12 2010 17:29 StarMasterX wrote: They are only asking for things that most people carry on them anyways. All I keep hearing are cries of racism. Let me ask you this...how do you propose they solve the problem? It's the thought of having to do something that nobody else does just because I look mexican that angers me. It just feels so degrading. I guess you'd have to have something similar done to you to understand how it feels. It really just makes you feel like lesser citizen. How is it not racism if it discriminates against millions of hispanics just because they look mexican? Anything that doesn't treat American citizens differently just because of their race, color, or national origin. Does that sound too demanding? | ||
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hacpee
United States752 Posts
On May 12 2010 23:35 HnR)hT wrote: Blacks should support racial profiling by the police since they are the ones who would benefit most from it, being the main victims of black criminals, and considering that profiling has proven effective in reducing crime. Similarly, blacks (and the poor generally) are the biggest beneficiaries of harsh prison sentences for criminals, and oughtn't protest the fact that the demographics of prison inmates reflect those of the criminals. For similar reasons, Mexican citizens of the U.S. should support Arizona's law, as many of them in fact do in spite of the organized ethnic lobbies purporting to speak on their behalf. Mexican citizens should go back to where they belong, in mexico. | ||
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