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On May 03 2010 07:55 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2010 07:52 cursor wrote:On May 03 2010 07:44 Jayme wrote:On May 03 2010 07:36 7mk wrote:On May 03 2010 07:10 Reason wrote:
Whether or not this is connected with the SP episode I'm sick and tired of this scaremongering.
Something must be done, and by that I mean we must do something.
like... start a war to fight terrorism? What the US is doing in Afghanistan and Iraq isn't really a war. It's pocket fighting small groups of assholes who hid behind civilians so that when the civilians die the attacker gets yelled at. In an actual war we'd just carpet bomb the area. Nobody really worries about civilian casualties when your way of life is at stake. Yes. Them killing our 3000 of our civilians is "putting our way of life at stake"... yet we kill tens to possibly hundreds of thousands of "their" civilians and they are just lucky we aren't launching a real war. I think you've confused who's "way of life" is really at stake. You can't really blame the United States for that you know. It's hard not to have civilian casualties when you know, the enemy is hiding in civilian locations and PURPOSELY using them as cover. You know what could have happened? Baghdad could have been firebombed to the ground, much like Wurzburg, Nurnburg, Hamburg, and Berlin were in the WW2. I think people vastly underestimate just how bad it can get.... It's only a matter of time before the USA gets into a war with a country that has plenty of resources to fight back with. Either that or two completely different countries with comparable resources get into a conflict.
I partially agree with Jayme. The afghani resistance is hiding behind these civilians where the U.S forces are forced to attack. Also, if the U.S does not attack, the Taliban and terrorist groups will take over which may result in more deaths.
Also, we have not killed "one hundred thousand people," In the Afghani War, from 2001-present, there was been a total of 1,617 coalition deaths. (thats more than the deaths during the World Trade Center Bombings)
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We already did do something about it when we attacked Afghanistan and overhauled domestic security. That was the best and most reasonable thing we could have done. Then we attacked Iraq and worsened our security situation. Right now I'd say we're doing a decent job of protecting the homeland from attacks as best we can.
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On May 03 2010 07:52 cursor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2010 07:44 Jayme wrote:On May 03 2010 07:36 7mk wrote:On May 03 2010 07:10 Reason wrote:
Whether or not this is connected with the SP episode I'm sick and tired of this scaremongering.
Something must be done, and by that I mean we must do something.
like... start a war to fight terrorism? What the US is doing in Afghanistan and Iraq isn't really a war. It's pocket fighting small groups of assholes who hid behind civilians so that when the civilians die the attacker gets yelled at. In an actual war we'd just carpet bomb the area. Nobody really worries about civilian casualties when your way of life is at stake. Yes. Them killing our 3000 of our civilians is "putting our way of life at stake"... yet we kill tens to possibly hundreds of thousands of "their" civilians and they are just lucky we aren't launching a real war. I think you've confused who's "way of life" is really at stake.
yes, civilians die in every armed conflict and it's an unavoidable consequence. however, we aren't the ones purposefully killing civilians by setting off roadside bombs, car bombs, or other IEDs in he middle of the street.
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On May 03 2010 08:05 Slow Motion wrote:
We already did do something about it when we attacked Afghanistan and overhauled domestic security. That was the best and most reasonable thing we could have done. Then we attacked Iraq and worsened our security situation. Right now I'd say we're doing a decent job of protecting the homeland from attacks as best we can.
I always understood the reason for invading Afghanistan and trying to put the taliban down. Most everyone else immediately understood what the driving force behind that decision was.
Iraq was left field and to this day I'm not quite sure how the higher ups justified it and it isn't from lack of research. Nobody freaking knows 
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Yeah guys. Bombing rather than building and educating is totally going to make the lil Afghan kids love us. Maybe they will want to grow up to want to fly one of those fighter jets they can't even see before they get blown up. It is always good to win over children by torturing people in foreign countries because our laws forbid it. Kids love loopholes. Just as much as they like being forced to grow opium to stay alive.
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It was intended to create like a mini firestorm. These few days the weather has been unseasonable, sometimes dry and 85F with sustained winds, which is great weather if you want to spread fires. D:
Today its humid and really hot. GO AWAY ITS TOO EARLY!
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Terrorists live off of fear. They don't particularly care what their terrorizing for, just that they make a scene and put fear into society. Maybe this wasn't a Muslim attack, maybe it was just someone who wanted to make a big mess and blame it on someone else. I mean the car was hardly rigged to explode, more like melt in a heap of flames.
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On May 03 2010 08:30 severN wrote:
Terrorists live off of fear. They don't particularly care what their terrorizing for, just that they make a scene and put fear into society. Maybe this wasn't a Muslim attack, maybe it was just someone who wanted to make a big mess and blame it on someone else. I mean the car was hardly rigged to explode, more like melt in a heap of flames.
Actually, if the car did explode, it would have cut the car in half. Imagine what it could have done to the pedestrians walking by.
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On May 03 2010 07:44 Jayme wrote:
What the US is doing in Afghanistan and Iraq isn't really a war. It's pocket fighting small groups of assholes who hid behind civilians so that when the civilians die the attacker gets yelled at.
In an actual war we'd just carpet bomb the area. Nobody really worries about civilian casualties when your way of life is at stake.
I was thinking exactly the same the moment i read about the SP incident. I don't fear terrorist attacks, I fear for the moment the "western" world actually starts to percieve those "terrorist countries" as a serious threat, because it will end fucking ugly
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Of course they are "hiding behind civilians." We are occupying their country. It's not our country. Next time you see North Korean infantry rolling down your street, tell me what you think. You become the resistance "hiding" in civilian area. Fuck why do Americans think the world is theirs? We are in their country shooting at Afghans- wtf do you think they are gonna do... same in Iraq. Christ.
We are killing civilians far far more than the "terrorists". If North Korea *sorry to pick on them so much... killed all your family while you were at work, but the bomber was "aiming" for the "hidden" weapons cache down the street... are you gonna care? Or are you gonna be pissed? The distinction people make between "our civilians" and "their civilians" is so ridiculous. Please think of it reversed for just 1 second.
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New York Police Commissioner Ray Kelly announced at a press conference this afternoon that the NYPD is working on several leads related to Saturday night's failed car bomb attack in Times Square.
Kelly said the police identified the owner of the Nissan Pathfinder used in the plot. Investigators are also analyzing a video of a white male, in his 40s who was seen acting suspiciously around the car.
A tourist in Pennsylvania also believes he may have captured the suspect on videotape.
Source
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Is it a requisite to be an ignorant inbred redneck with a 2 digit IQ to post in this thread or we can post too?
somebody stab Jayme and Housemd in the face and make this world a better place, or at least ban them and make tl.net a better place ffs.
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I love how gaming sites are so vocal on worldly issues, especially TL.net :D
As for connections with south park, I think they have every right to criticize any religion (including Islam). I am a christian but even i acknowledge how organized religion can be fucking stupid and someone has to point this out. They have had Jesus on that show frequently and Satan is a raging homosexual so i don't see why Muslims should feel more offended than Christians. That being said I know a few Muslims and they wouldn't care less... I guess the difference is radical Christians preach, radical Muslims blow shit up.
disclaimer:i have no credibility
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On May 03 2010 09:54 eSen1a wrote:
I love how gaming sites are so vocal on worldly issues, especially TL.net :D
As for connections with south park, I think they have every right to criticize any religion (including Islam). I am a christian but even i acknowledge how organized religion can be fucking stupid and someone has to point this out. They have had Jesus on that show frequently and Satan is a raging homosexual so i don't see why Muslims should feel more offended than Christians. That being said I know a few Muslims and they wouldn't care less... I guess the difference is radical Christians preach, radical Muslims blow shit up.
disclaimer:i have no credibility
I think Muslims feel offended due to the fact that many cartoons are depicting their religion. South Park has every right to do what they did legally. But morally, many people would agree that this is just jumping the line, even though they have had other religions on it. Muslims (as I am one) are greatly affected by this because there is a war going on in their country, so morally this is just wrong. Legally, its a different story.
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On May 03 2010 09:49 baal wrote:
Is it a requisite to be an ignorant inbred redneck with a 2 digit IQ to post in this thread or we can post too?
somebody stab Jayme and Housemd in the face and make this world a better place, or at least ban them and make tl.net a better place ffs.
You stated something with absolutely no evidence. Not to be mean, but why should some stab me and Jayme in the face, were trying to share our opinions with some evidence on a public site.
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holy crap man...thats scary...
NYC is only 15 minutes away from where i live <.<
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On May 03 2010 10:03 Housemd wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2010 09:54 eSen1a wrote:
I love how gaming sites are so vocal on worldly issues, especially TL.net :D
As for connections with south park, I think they have every right to criticize any religion (including Islam). I am a christian but even i acknowledge how organized religion can be fucking stupid and someone has to point this out. They have had Jesus on that show frequently and Satan is a raging homosexual so i don't see why Muslims should feel more offended than Christians. That being said I know a few Muslims and they wouldn't care less... I guess the difference is radical Christians preach, radical Muslims blow shit up.
disclaimer:i have no credibility I think Muslims feel offended due to the fact that many cartoons are depicting their religion. South Park has every right to do what they did legally. But morally, many people would agree that this is just jumping the line, even though they have had other religions on it. Muslims (as I am one) are greatly affected by this because there is a war going on in their country, so morally this is just wrong. Legally, its a different story.
Ever heard of the freedom of speech? Its ironic that a Muslim, someone who benefits the most from the constitution, would call it morally jumping the line to freely speak. You are not entitled to force people to follow your own bronze age rules, clown.
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On May 03 2010 10:22 Romantic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2010 10:03 Housemd wrote:On May 03 2010 09:54 eSen1a wrote:
I love how gaming sites are so vocal on worldly issues, especially TL.net :D
As for connections with south park, I think they have every right to criticize any religion (including Islam). I am a christian but even i acknowledge how organized religion can be fucking stupid and someone has to point this out. They have had Jesus on that show frequently and Satan is a raging homosexual so i don't see why Muslims should feel more offended than Christians. That being said I know a few Muslims and they wouldn't care less... I guess the difference is radical Christians preach, radical Muslims blow shit up.
disclaimer:i have no credibility I think Muslims feel offended due to the fact that many cartoons are depicting their religion. South Park has every right to do what they did legally. But morally, many people would agree that this is just jumping the line, even though they have had other religions on it. Muslims (as I am one) are greatly affected by this because there is a war going on in their country, so morally this is just wrong. Legally, its a different story. Ever heard of the freedom of speech? Its ironic that a Muslim, someone who benefits the most from the constitution, would call it morally jumping the line to freely speak. You are not entitled to force people to follow your own bronze age rules, clown.
I stated that it is alright to do this legally but morally MANY Muslims and some other people would find this offensive. I stated that legally, its a different story and it is allowed, im well aware of that. But morally, i find this as something that is unnecessary and many other people would agree. And i'm not forcing people to do anything, just stating that most people agree that the South Park episode was offensive. That's not pulling people into my views.
Also, i find it truly interesting, how we benefit from the Constitution? Please explain that.
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On May 03 2010 07:36 7mk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2010 07:10 Reason wrote:
Whether or not this is connected with the SP episode I'm sick and tired of this scaremongering.
Something must be done, and by that I mean we must do something.
like... start a war to fight terrorism?
More like declare a worldwide ban on Islam and destroy all those who oppose by any means necessary at any cost.
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