An SUV parked in the bus lane in Times Square started smoking. The area was evacuated and the bomb squad went in. It's been vague from the articles I've read whether or not the bomb was a dud.
I never understood why these terrorist groups are so eager to claim credit for failed terrorist attacks. Don't mess with us, we will set our underwear on fire and set up car bombs that don't even go off!
On May 03 2010 03:26 BlackJack wrote: I never understood why these terrorist groups are so eager to claim credit for failed terrorist attacks. Don't mess with us, we will set our underwear on fire and set up car bombs that don't even go off!
On May 03 2010 03:26 BlackJack wrote: I never understood why these terrorist groups are so eager to claim credit for failed terrorist attacks. Don't mess with us, we will set our underwear on fire and set up car bombs that don't even go off!
Because they probably didn't do it and the media/gov't is just making it up.
On May 03 2010 03:50 Osmoses wrote: Saw it on TV, if I were the terrorists I wouldn't take credit for this, really amateurish, too bad they didn't kill themselves when they set it up.
but if I were you then you'd be me and I'd use YOUR body to get to the top..
Feds Characterize Smoldering Car in Times Square as “Potential Terrorist Attack” Kurt Nimmo May 2, 2010
The government has portrayed the jumble of propane gas cylinders, gas cans, wiring, batteries and fireworks found in a car parked in Times Square yesterday as a terrorist bomb.
DHS boss Napolitano took to the Sunday talk shows this morning and characterized the “amateurish type of bomb” as “a potential terrorist attack.” She told NBC’s David Gregory that it was “too soon to tell… who or what groups were responsible.”
New York’s bomb squad said the mishmash of fireworks and wires was not even a bomb. Kevin Barry, a former supervisor in the New York City police bomb squad, speculated that if it had functioned “it would be more of an incendiary event” than an explosion.
Fox News conjured up Dhiran Barot to make the point that the smoking jumble of junk found in Times Square might be related to homegrown terror. “The attempted attack has echoes in the plots drawn up by convicted UK terrorist Dhiran Barot,” speculates Fox. “His ‘Gas Limos’ plot, though never executed, included using gas-laden cars targeting, among other places, sites in New York City.”
Barot’s fantasy included a dirty bomb and a gas attack on the Heathrow Express train service, the detonation of a bomb under the River Thames to flood the Tube network, bombing the Savoy hotel in London and mainline train stations, bombing the IMF and World Bank in Washington, bombing the New York Stock Exchange building and the Citigroup headquarters, as well as the Prudential building in Newark, New Jersey.
Mr. Barot’s only crime was that he lived in a violent fantasy world. He had no connections to al-Qaeda, no money for his supposed bomb plot, and no bomb. The case against him was predicated on a few scribblings in a notebook. “Barot is not a terrorist, he is not involved with Al Qaeda, he is a lone nut who day dreamed of being in a Bruce Willis film,” Steve Watson wrote on November 9, 2006.
“The Times Square car bomb in New York bears all the hallmarks of an al-Qaeda attack on central London three years ago,” opines The Daily Telegraph this morning. “Intelligence agencies believe that Bilal Abdulla, one of the men behind the British attack, had met senior leaders of al-Qaeda in Iraq.”
As it turns out, British cops and MI5 knew about Abdulla. “British-born NHS doctor Bilal Abdulla launched car bomb attacks on London and Glasgow despite having been identified as a terror suspect by MI5,” the London Telegraph reported in December, 2008.
As should be expected, the usual suspects have emerged from the woodwork to characterize this non-bomb event as serious terrorism.
Crackpot “terrorism expert” Walid Phares of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies (a neocon organization linked to the CIA proxy National Endowment for Democracy) told Fox News the non-bombing event in Times Square is linked to terrorism. “It was indeed an ‘act of terror.’ Now comes the next part. We’ll need to know more about the minds behind it Saturday night’s fatal plan. Was it designed by a domestic extremist(s), homegrown jihadist(s) or was internationally coordinated? These are the questions as we search for answers in the days ahead.”
New York officials, however, are not characterizing the event as a botched act of terrorism. “Officials said it was not considered to be a terrorist threat, and New York City police reportedly asked federal authorities to stand down,” reports Earth Times.
The feds and the neocons, however, are not likely to stand down, not when there is yet another excuse to continue the bogus global war on manufactured terrorism.excuse to continue the bogus global war on manufactured terrorism.
Police hunting the man who parked a crude but powerful car bomb in Times Square Saturday night are looking into a possible link to a South Park cartoon lampooning censorship about Mohammed.
No link has been established, but threats against the Comedy Central animators were made by a New York Islamist Web site last month and police are aggressively looking for connections, sources told the Daily News.
On May 03 2010 03:50 Osmoses wrote: Saw it on TV, if I were the terrorists I wouldn't take credit for this, really amateurish, too bad they didn't kill themselves when they set it up.
but if I were you then you'd be me and I'd use YOUR body to get to the top..
Ace Ventura quote FTW.
I think it's quite stupid how they get so uptight simply with a graphical depiction and mention of Muhammad. Soooooo dumb.
The video was prerecorded and released in expectation that the bomb would go off.
Oops, it didn't, so that means it's all a farse made up by the government, who drew the poor muslim religion out of a giant uncle sam hat on a game of 'whose line is it anyways'. And it's all for oil, even though we pay Saudi Arabi billions to keep oil safe and cheap, and gave back the Kuwait oil fields after capturing them from Sadaam, and could easily take them now or any time in the future.
Some people think Obama isn't a citizen, other's think there is a giant conspiracy by the government to target muslims and oil (no doubt a joke picked out by the Family Guy creative team of dolphins).
On May 03 2010 06:53 SnK-Arcbound wrote: The video was prerecorded and released in expectation that the bomb would go off.
Oops, it didn't, so that means it's all a farse made up by the government, who drew the poor muslim religion out of a giant uncle sam hat on a game of 'whose line is it anyways'. And it's all for oil, even though we pay Saudi Arabi billions to keep oil safe and cheap, and gave back the Kuwait oil fields after capturing them from Sadaam, and could easily take them now or any time in the future.
Some people think Obama isn't a citizen, other's think there is a giant conspiracy by the government to target muslims and oil (no doubt a joke picked out by the Family Guy creative team of dolphins).
You are both equally stupid in my eyes.
Something about your post really amuses me. I like your style.
On May 03 2010 07:10 Reason wrote: Whether or not this is connected with the SP episode I'm sick and tired of this scaremongering.
Something must be done, and by that I mean we must do something.
like... start a war to fight terrorism?
What the US is doing in Afghanistan and Iraq isn't really a war. It's pocket fighting small groups of assholes who hid behind civilians so that when the civilians die the attacker gets yelled at.
In an actual war we'd just carpet bomb the area. Nobody really worries about civilian casualties when your way of life is at stake.
On May 03 2010 07:10 Reason wrote: Whether or not this is connected with the SP episode I'm sick and tired of this scaremongering.
Something must be done, and by that I mean we must do something.
like... start a war to fight terrorism?
What the US is doing in Afghanistan and Iraq isn't really a war. It's pocket fighting small groups of assholes who hid behind civilians so that when the civilians die the attacker gets yelled at.
In an actual war we'd just carpet bomb the area. Nobody really worries about civilian casualties when your way of life is at stake.
Then explain what we should do chief. Invade Pakistan?
I was watching some videos, many people were calm and cool during the evacuations and the police did a good job containing the situation. Also, the car was left running with its lights on, which is just like saying, "look at me, i have a bomb inside." So, in my opinion, the Taliban have either lowered their standards x10 or they really didn't commit this attack.
Police say that they may have info on the suspect himself....http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/05/02/times.square.closure/index.html?hpt=T1
On May 03 2010 07:10 Reason wrote: Whether or not this is connected with the SP episode I'm sick and tired of this scaremongering.
Something must be done, and by that I mean we must do something.
like... start a war to fight terrorism?
What the US is doing in Afghanistan and Iraq isn't really a war. It's pocket fighting small groups of assholes who hid behind civilians so that when the civilians die the attacker gets yelled at.
In an actual war we'd just carpet bomb the area. Nobody really worries about civilian casualties when your way of life is at stake.
Then explain what we should do chief. Invade Pakistan?
I have no clue.
I never said we weren't fighting, and I never said people weren't dying. I think this "soft approach" crap the military doing is going to get good men killed but then again, I'm not in a position of leadership am I? I have nothing but respect for the people that are fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq, I really do. You are however allowed to criticize leadership when it seems somewhat uh...problematic.
Calling it a war doesn't do the word justice. Vietnam was a damn war for comparisons sake, or desert storm. It's a gigantic guerrilla tactics battle.
On May 03 2010 07:10 Reason wrote: Whether or not this is connected with the SP episode I'm sick and tired of this scaremongering.
Something must be done, and by that I mean we must do something.
like... start a war to fight terrorism?
What the US is doing in Afghanistan and Iraq isn't really a war. It's pocket fighting small groups of assholes who hid behind civilians so that when the civilians die the attacker gets yelled at.
In an actual war we'd just carpet bomb the area. Nobody really worries about civilian casualties when your way of life is at stake.
Yes. Them killing our 3000 of our civilians is "putting our way of life at stake"... yet we kill tens to possibly hundreds of thousands of "their" civilians and they are just lucky we aren't launching a real war. I think you've confused who's "way of life" is really at stake.
On May 03 2010 07:10 Reason wrote: Whether or not this is connected with the SP episode I'm sick and tired of this scaremongering.
Something must be done, and by that I mean we must do something.
like... start a war to fight terrorism?
What the US is doing in Afghanistan and Iraq isn't really a war. It's pocket fighting small groups of assholes who hid behind civilians so that when the civilians die the attacker gets yelled at.
In an actual war we'd just carpet bomb the area. Nobody really worries about civilian casualties when your way of life is at stake.
Yes. Them killing our 3000 of our civilians is "putting our way of life at stake"... yet we kill tens to possibly hundreds of thousands of "their" civilians and they are just lucky we aren't launching a real war. I think you've confused who's "way of life" is really at stake.
You can't really blame the United States for that you know. It's hard not to have civilian casualties when you know, the enemy is hiding in civilian locations and PURPOSELY using them as cover.
You know what could have happened? Baghdad could have been firebombed to the ground, much like Wurzburg, Nurnburg, Hamburg, and Berlin were in the WW2.
I think people vastly underestimate just how bad it can get.... It's only a matter of time before the USA gets into a war with a country that has plenty of resources to fight back with. Either that or two completely different countries with comparable resources get into a conflict.
On May 03 2010 07:10 Reason wrote: Whether or not this is connected with the SP episode I'm sick and tired of this scaremongering.
Something must be done, and by that I mean we must do something.
like... start a war to fight terrorism?
What the US is doing in Afghanistan and Iraq isn't really a war. It's pocket fighting small groups of assholes who hid behind civilians so that when the civilians die the attacker gets yelled at.
In an actual war we'd just carpet bomb the area. Nobody really worries about civilian casualties when your way of life is at stake.
Yes. Them killing our 3000 of our civilians is "putting our way of life at stake"... yet we kill tens to possibly hundreds of thousands of "their" civilians and they are just lucky we aren't launching a real war. I think you've confused who's "way of life" is really at stake.
You can't really blame the United States for that you know. It's hard not to have civilian casualties when you know, the enemy is hiding in civilian locations and PURPOSELY using them as cover.
You know what could have happened? Baghdad could have been firebombed to the ground, much like Wurzburg, Nurnburg, Hamburg, and Berlin were in the WW2.
I think people vastly underestimate just how bad it can get.... It's only a matter of time before the USA gets into a war with a country that has plenty of resources to fight back with. Either that or two completely different countries with comparable resources get into a conflict.
I partially agree with Jayme. The afghani resistance is hiding behind these civilians where the U.S forces are forced to attack. Also, if the U.S does not attack, the Taliban and terrorist groups will take over which may result in more deaths.
Also, we have not killed "one hundred thousand people," In the Afghani War, from 2001-present, there was been a total of 1,617 coalition deaths. (thats more than the deaths during the World Trade Center Bombings)
We already did do something about it when we attacked Afghanistan and overhauled domestic security. That was the best and most reasonable thing we could have done. Then we attacked Iraq and worsened our security situation. Right now I'd say we're doing a decent job of protecting the homeland from attacks as best we can.
On May 03 2010 07:10 Reason wrote: Whether or not this is connected with the SP episode I'm sick and tired of this scaremongering.
Something must be done, and by that I mean we must do something.
like... start a war to fight terrorism?
What the US is doing in Afghanistan and Iraq isn't really a war. It's pocket fighting small groups of assholes who hid behind civilians so that when the civilians die the attacker gets yelled at.
In an actual war we'd just carpet bomb the area. Nobody really worries about civilian casualties when your way of life is at stake.
Yes. Them killing our 3000 of our civilians is "putting our way of life at stake"... yet we kill tens to possibly hundreds of thousands of "their" civilians and they are just lucky we aren't launching a real war. I think you've confused who's "way of life" is really at stake.
yes, civilians die in every armed conflict and it's an unavoidable consequence. however, we aren't the ones purposefully killing civilians by setting off roadside bombs, car bombs, or other IEDs in he middle of the street.
On May 03 2010 08:05 Slow Motion wrote: We already did do something about it when we attacked Afghanistan and overhauled domestic security. That was the best and most reasonable thing we could have done. Then we attacked Iraq and worsened our security situation. Right now I'd say we're doing a decent job of protecting the homeland from attacks as best we can.
I always understood the reason for invading Afghanistan and trying to put the taliban down. Most everyone else immediately understood what the driving force behind that decision was.
Iraq was left field and to this day I'm not quite sure how the higher ups justified it and it isn't from lack of research. Nobody freaking knows
Yeah guys. Bombing rather than building and educating is totally going to make the lil Afghan kids love us. Maybe they will want to grow up to want to fly one of those fighter jets they can't even see before they get blown up. It is always good to win over children by torturing people in foreign countries because our laws forbid it. Kids love loopholes. Just as much as they like being forced to grow opium to stay alive.
It was intended to create like a mini firestorm. These few days the weather has been unseasonable, sometimes dry and 85F with sustained winds, which is great weather if you want to spread fires. D:
Today its humid and really hot. GO AWAY ITS TOO EARLY!
Terrorists live off of fear. They don't particularly care what their terrorizing for, just that they make a scene and put fear into society. Maybe this wasn't a Muslim attack, maybe it was just someone who wanted to make a big mess and blame it on someone else. I mean the car was hardly rigged to explode, more like melt in a heap of flames.
On May 03 2010 08:30 severN wrote: Terrorists live off of fear. They don't particularly care what their terrorizing for, just that they make a scene and put fear into society. Maybe this wasn't a Muslim attack, maybe it was just someone who wanted to make a big mess and blame it on someone else. I mean the car was hardly rigged to explode, more like melt in a heap of flames.
Actually, if the car did explode, it would have cut the car in half. Imagine what it could have done to the pedestrians walking by.
On May 03 2010 07:44 Jayme wrote: What the US is doing in Afghanistan and Iraq isn't really a war. It's pocket fighting small groups of assholes who hid behind civilians so that when the civilians die the attacker gets yelled at.
In an actual war we'd just carpet bomb the area. Nobody really worries about civilian casualties when your way of life is at stake.
I was thinking exactly the same the moment i read about the SP incident. I don't fear terrorist attacks, I fear for the moment the "western" world actually starts to percieve those "terrorist countries" as a serious threat, because it will end fucking ugly
Of course they are "hiding behind civilians." We are occupying their country. It's not our country. Next time you see North Korean infantry rolling down your street, tell me what you think. You become the resistance "hiding" in civilian area. Fuck why do Americans think the world is theirs? We are in their country shooting at Afghans- wtf do you think they are gonna do... same in Iraq. Christ.
We are killing civilians far far more than the "terrorists". If North Korea *sorry to pick on them so much... killed all your family while you were at work, but the bomber was "aiming" for the "hidden" weapons cache down the street... are you gonna care? Or are you gonna be pissed? The distinction people make between "our civilians" and "their civilians" is so ridiculous. Please think of it reversed for just 1 second.
New York Police Commissioner Ray Kelly announced at a press conference this afternoon that the NYPD is working on several leads related to Saturday night's failed car bomb attack in Times Square.
Kelly said the police identified the owner of the Nissan Pathfinder used in the plot. Investigators are also analyzing a video of a white male, in his 40s who was seen acting suspiciously around the car.
A tourist in Pennsylvania also believes he may have captured the suspect on videotape.
I love how gaming sites are so vocal on worldly issues, especially TL.net :D
As for connections with south park, I think they have every right to criticize any religion (including Islam). I am a christian but even i acknowledge how organized religion can be fucking stupid and someone has to point this out. They have had Jesus on that show frequently and Satan is a raging homosexual so i don't see why Muslims should feel more offended than Christians. That being said I know a few Muslims and they wouldn't care less... I guess the difference is radical Christians preach, radical Muslims blow shit up.
On May 03 2010 09:54 eSen1a wrote: I love how gaming sites are so vocal on worldly issues, especially TL.net :D
As for connections with south park, I think they have every right to criticize any religion (including Islam). I am a christian but even i acknowledge how organized religion can be fucking stupid and someone has to point this out. They have had Jesus on that show frequently and Satan is a raging homosexual so i don't see why Muslims should feel more offended than Christians. That being said I know a few Muslims and they wouldn't care less... I guess the difference is radical Christians preach, radical Muslims blow shit up.
disclaimer:i have no credibility
I think Muslims feel offended due to the fact that many cartoons are depicting their religion. South Park has every right to do what they did legally. But morally, many people would agree that this is just jumping the line, even though they have had other religions on it. Muslims (as I am one) are greatly affected by this because there is a war going on in their country, so morally this is just wrong. Legally, its a different story.
On May 03 2010 09:49 baal wrote: Is it a requisite to be an ignorant inbred redneck with a 2 digit IQ to post in this thread or we can post too?
somebody stab Jayme and Housemd in the face and make this world a better place, or at least ban them and make tl.net a better place ffs.
You stated something with absolutely no evidence. Not to be mean, but why should some stab me and Jayme in the face, were trying to share our opinions with some evidence on a public site.
On May 03 2010 09:54 eSen1a wrote: I love how gaming sites are so vocal on worldly issues, especially TL.net :D
As for connections with south park, I think they have every right to criticize any religion (including Islam). I am a christian but even i acknowledge how organized religion can be fucking stupid and someone has to point this out. They have had Jesus on that show frequently and Satan is a raging homosexual so i don't see why Muslims should feel more offended than Christians. That being said I know a few Muslims and they wouldn't care less... I guess the difference is radical Christians preach, radical Muslims blow shit up.
disclaimer:i have no credibility
I think Muslims feel offended due to the fact that many cartoons are depicting their religion. South Park has every right to do what they did legally. But morally, many people would agree that this is just jumping the line, even though they have had other religions on it. Muslims (as I am one) are greatly affected by this because there is a war going on in their country, so morally this is just wrong. Legally, its a different story.
Ever heard of the freedom of speech? Its ironic that a Muslim, someone who benefits the most from the constitution, would call it morally jumping the line to freely speak. You are not entitled to force people to follow your own bronze age rules, clown.
On May 03 2010 09:54 eSen1a wrote: I love how gaming sites are so vocal on worldly issues, especially TL.net :D
As for connections with south park, I think they have every right to criticize any religion (including Islam). I am a christian but even i acknowledge how organized religion can be fucking stupid and someone has to point this out. They have had Jesus on that show frequently and Satan is a raging homosexual so i don't see why Muslims should feel more offended than Christians. That being said I know a few Muslims and they wouldn't care less... I guess the difference is radical Christians preach, radical Muslims blow shit up.
disclaimer:i have no credibility
I think Muslims feel offended due to the fact that many cartoons are depicting their religion. South Park has every right to do what they did legally. But morally, many people would agree that this is just jumping the line, even though they have had other religions on it. Muslims (as I am one) are greatly affected by this because there is a war going on in their country, so morally this is just wrong. Legally, its a different story.
Ever heard of the freedom of speech? Its ironic that a Muslim, someone who benefits the most from the constitution, would call it morally jumping the line to freely speak. You are not entitled to force people to follow your own bronze age rules, clown.
I stated that it is alright to do this legally but morally MANY Muslims and some other people would find this offensive. I stated that legally, its a different story and it is allowed, im well aware of that. But morally, i find this as something that is unnecessary and many other people would agree. And i'm not forcing people to do anything, just stating that most people agree that the South Park episode was offensive. That's not pulling people into my views.
Also, i find it truly interesting, how we benefit from the Constitution? Please explain that.
On May 03 2010 09:49 baal wrote: Is it a requisite to be an ignorant inbred redneck with a 2 digit IQ to post in this thread or we can post too?
somebody stab Jayme and Housemd in the face and make this world a better place, or at least ban them and make tl.net a better place ffs.
You stated something with absolutely no evidence. Not to be mean, but why should some stab me and Jayme in the face, were trying to share our opinions with some evidence on a public site.
evidence? lol i am not even stating anything here dumbass... seriously somebody stab him, quick before he breeds!
On May 03 2010 09:49 baal wrote: Is it a requisite to be an ignorant inbred redneck with a 2 digit IQ to post in this thread or we can post too?
somebody stab Jayme and Housemd in the face and make this world a better place, or at least ban them and make tl.net a better place ffs.
You stated something with absolutely no evidence. Not to be mean, but why should some stab me and Jayme in the face, were trying to share our opinions with some evidence on a public site.
evidence? lol i am not even stating anything here dumbass... seriously somebody stab him, quick before he breeds!
You did state something, that me and Jayme should be banned which essentially means that you do not agree with us. You not agreeing with us means that you should show some evidence on why you don't or if you simply don't wanna share that, you have no right in calling us a redneck with a 2 digit IQ. I did not say that i am agreeing that the terrorists should do this. I'm just saying that they hide behind civilians. Do i think this is right? NO!
On May 03 2010 08:09 Romantic wrote: Yeah guys. Bombing rather than building and educating is totally going to make the lil Afghan kids love us. Maybe they will want to grow up to want to fly one of those fighter jets they can't even see before they get blown up. It is always good to win over children by torturing people in foreign countries because our laws forbid it. Kids love loopholes. Just as much as they like being forced to grow opium to stay alive.
It's already been quite awhile that they limited the use of airstrikes, and changed their focus on provide services for the Afghan people.
Sure, there are always a few Afghans that doesn't like foreigners in their country, but there is also quite alot that want Taliban out.
They trying to build a school, and locals are so supportive that they gave the land for free. But the only thing is holding the progress are the red tapes and corruptions.
On May 03 2010 08:09 Romantic wrote: Yeah guys. Bombing rather than building and educating is totally going to make the lil Afghan kids love us. Maybe they will want to grow up to want to fly one of those fighter jets they can't even see before they get blown up. It is always good to win over children by torturing people in foreign countries because our laws forbid it. Kids love loopholes. Just as much as they like being forced to grow opium to stay alive.
It's already been quite awhile that they limited the use of airstrikes, and changed their focus on provide services for the Afghan people.
Sure, there are always a few Afghans that doesn't like foreigners in their country, but there is also quite alot that want Taliban out.
They trying to build a school, and locals are so supportive that they gave the land for free. But the only thing is holding the progress are the red tapes and corruptions.
On May 03 2010 09:49 baal wrote: Is it a requisite to be an ignorant inbred redneck with a 2 digit IQ to post in this thread or we can post too?
somebody stab Jayme and Housemd in the face and make this world a better place, or at least ban them and make tl.net a better place ffs.
Ignorant Inbred Redneck?
Dude...are we reading the same posts? I don't quite think you are comprehending what I said. I actually don't see the fucking connection at all to me and an inbred redneck.
Not once did I advocate annihilating anything, killing everybody, or bombing places...things generally associated with inbred rednecks. In fact the only thing I said is that wars are a whole hell of a lot worse than what's going on in the middle east right now. A great deal more people not involved die in wars.
People are very quick to call the US civilian killing pigs and then forget that IED's don't pick their targets.
I don't think the USA owns the world or anything like that. I generally disagree with the occupation of other countries on principle. I also think it's naive to believe that the US should have done nothing when a group of rather well known terrorists flew a couple of planes into a building.
What I'm really trying to say is to shut your mouth unless you actually provide some sort of empirical evidence or substance to your post so that I can actually respond to you. Your conceded "2 digit IQ to post in this thread or **CAN WE** post too" statement is ironic, because your post sure as hell didn't prove you have this mythical three digit IQ that us normal mortals strive for. Instead you just pissed me off by calling me something that couldn't be further from the truth. Thanks for the direct insult, it is much appreciated.
Also I'd like to note that Housemd and I sure as hell do not share the same sentiments like... at all except for one thing which would be that terrorist groups are hiding in civilian areas purposely to draw ire on the invading army.
I realize the US is invading here but to consider the other side morally inculpable when they employ such tactics is...well it's stupid.
On May 03 2010 09:54 eSen1a wrote: I love how gaming sites are so vocal on worldly issues, especially TL.net :D
As for connections with south park, I think they have every right to criticize any religion (including Islam). I am a christian but even i acknowledge how organized religion can be fucking stupid and someone has to point this out. They have had Jesus on that show frequently and Satan is a raging homosexual so i don't see why Muslims should feel more offended than Christians. That being said I know a few Muslims and they wouldn't care less... I guess the difference is radical Christians preach, radical Muslims blow shit up.
disclaimer:i have no credibility
I think Muslims feel offended due to the fact that many cartoons are depicting their religion. South Park has every right to do what they did legally. But morally, many people would agree that this is just jumping the line, even though they have had other religions on it. Muslims (as I am one) are greatly affected by this because there is a war going on in their country, so morally this is just wrong. Legally, its a different story.
Morally? It's a comedy show. Which country are you talking about? There is not just one "muslim country". I assume you were talking about either Afghanistan or Iraq, but it was apparently a Pakistani group so there goes that argument. And that doesn't give them any justification whatsoever for making terrorist threats and attempting to carry them out. Religion is not sacred, anything can be made fun of. In fact, the sheer absurdity of religion in general should open it up to more ridicule, not less.
On May 03 2010 23:56 bdams19 wrote: psh i was on 47th and 6th on saturday night partying up we dont give a #($* about your amateur terroristic threats!
bitch ass terrorists~~~~
it was pretty funny i walked right through it and and when i asked random people they're just lke 'oh yeah someone put a huge bomb right over THERE (points down the block)'
Actually, I am surprised there was an actual attempt. I always thought Terrorism as unnecessary fantasy people worry about but is unlikely to take place again.
On May 04 2010 00:11 Hesmyrr wrote: Actually, I am surprised there was an actual attempt. I always thought Terrorism as unnecessary fantasy people worry about but is unlikely to take place again.
Same here. It was my roommates birthday and the venue (Aspen Social) was nearly the bomb site. The police had roped off the streets so cabs couldn't even drop us off at the place but you were welcomed to walk on the sidewalks past the caution tape lol. We didn't even think twice about it because everyone considered it was just a smoke bomb or something planted to scare people.
leave it to pakistan to take credit for a failed bomb attempt. You're supposed to pretend like you had nothing to do with it... Take credit when the bomb actually works... Noob terrorists.
The scariest bit is that no one died BECAUSE the bomber was an amateur. Not because the police were on top of it.
Yea, guerrilla tactics are pretty much impossible to stop
On May 03 2010 09:54 eSen1a wrote: I love how gaming sites are so vocal on worldly issues, especially TL.net :D
As for connections with south park, I think they have every right to criticize any religion (including Islam). I am a christian but even i acknowledge how organized religion can be fucking stupid and someone has to point this out. They have had Jesus on that show frequently and Satan is a raging homosexual so i don't see why Muslims should feel more offended than Christians. That being said I know a few Muslims and they wouldn't care less... I guess the difference is radical Christians preach, radical Muslims blow shit up.
disclaimer:i have no credibility
I think Muslims feel offended due to the fact that many cartoons are depicting their religion. South Park has every right to do what they did legally. But morally, many people would agree that this is just jumping the line, even though they have had other religions on it. Muslims (as I am one) are greatly affected by this because there is a war going on in their country, so morally this is just wrong. Legally, its a different story.
Ever heard of the freedom of speech? Its ironic that a Muslim, someone who benefits the most from the constitution, would call it morally jumping the line to freely speak. You are not entitled to force people to follow your own bronze age rules, clown.
I stated that it is alright to do this legally but morally MANY Muslims and some other people would find this offensive. I stated that legally, its a different story and it is allowed, im well aware of that. But morally, i find this as something that is unnecessary and many other people would agree. And i'm not forcing people to do anything, just stating that most people agree that the South Park episode was offensive. That's not pulling people into my views.
Also, i find it truly interesting, how we benefit from the Constitution? Please explain that.
"Muslims (as I am one) are greatly affected by this because there is a war going on in their country, so morally this is just wrong."
On May 03 2010 09:54 eSen1a wrote: I love how gaming sites are so vocal on worldly issues, especially TL.net :D
As for connections with south park, I think they have every right to criticize any religion (including Islam). I am a christian but even i acknowledge how organized religion can be fucking stupid and someone has to point this out. They have had Jesus on that show frequently and Satan is a raging homosexual so i don't see why Muslims should feel more offended than Christians. That being said I know a few Muslims and they wouldn't care less... I guess the difference is radical Christians preach, radical Muslims blow shit up.
disclaimer:i have no credibility
I think Muslims feel offended due to the fact that many cartoons are depicting their religion. South Park has every right to do what they did legally. But morally, many people would agree that this is just jumping the line, even though they have had other religions on it. Muslims (as I am one) are greatly affected by this because there is a war going on in their country, so morally this is just wrong. Legally, its a different story.
Ever heard of the freedom of speech? Its ironic that a Muslim, someone who benefits the most from the constitution, would call it morally jumping the line to freely speak. You are not entitled to force people to follow your own bronze age rules, clown.
I stated that it is alright to do this legally but morally MANY Muslims and some other people would find this offensive. I stated that legally, its a different story and it is allowed, im well aware of that. But morally, i find this as something that is unnecessary and many other people would agree. And i'm not forcing people to do anything, just stating that most people agree that the South Park episode was offensive. That's not pulling people into my views.
Also, i find it truly interesting, how we benefit from the Constitution? Please explain that.
How do muslims benefit most from the consitution? Who do you think benefits more from the constitution, Matt Stone and Trey Parker or the muslim group in New York that threatened them? Let's see, without the constitution there would be no free speech and South Park might not be able to produce their cartoon. On the other hand, without the constitution those muslims in New York would probably be in Guantanamo getting ass raped by now. Who benefits more here?
On May 03 2010 09:54 eSen1a wrote: I love how gaming sites are so vocal on worldly issues, especially TL.net :D
As for connections with south park, I think they have every right to criticize any religion (including Islam). I am a christian but even i acknowledge how organized religion can be fucking stupid and someone has to point this out. They have had Jesus on that show frequently and Satan is a raging homosexual so i don't see why Muslims should feel more offended than Christians. That being said I know a few Muslims and they wouldn't care less... I guess the difference is radical Christians preach, radical Muslims blow shit up.
disclaimer:i have no credibility
I think Muslims feel offended due to the fact that many cartoons are depicting their religion. South Park has every right to do what they did legally. But morally, many people would agree that this is just jumping the line, even though they have had other religions on it. Muslims (as I am one) are greatly affected by this because there is a war going on in their country, so morally this is just wrong. Legally, its a different story.
Morally? It's a comedy show. Which country are you talking about? There is not just one "muslim country". I assume you were talking about either Afghanistan or Iraq, but it was apparently a Pakistani group so there goes that argument. And that doesn't give them any justification whatsoever for making terrorist threats and attempting to carry them out. Religion is not sacred, anything can be made fun of. In fact, the sheer absurdity of religion in general should open it up to more ridicule, not less.
I'm taking about Pakistan (however i have some connections with Afghanistan). I don't think that what the terrorists did was any way justifying, it was just stupid and wrong. And religion isn't sacred, your absolutely right, in fact i believe that they are some holes with religion. I mean there are TONS of comedy shows, but none of them offend religion as bad as the South Park people did. I think that if you were a Muslim, you would feel some offense to that.
My sisters 16th birthday was last wednesday. Thursday they went to New York and came home Sunday. They actually have their picture taken with the police officer who found the bomb 30 min before it all happened. He was riding a horse and they though it was neat. They also couldn't see a broadway play because of the incident.
On May 03 2010 09:54 eSen1a wrote: I love how gaming sites are so vocal on worldly issues, especially TL.net :D
As for connections with south park, I think they have every right to criticize any religion (including Islam). I am a christian but even i acknowledge how organized religion can be fucking stupid and someone has to point this out. They have had Jesus on that show frequently and Satan is a raging homosexual so i don't see why Muslims should feel more offended than Christians. That being said I know a few Muslims and they wouldn't care less... I guess the difference is radical Christians preach, radical Muslims blow shit up.
disclaimer:i have no credibility
I think Muslims feel offended due to the fact that many cartoons are depicting their religion. South Park has every right to do what they did legally. But morally, many people would agree that this is just jumping the line, even though they have had other religions on it. Muslims (as I am one) are greatly affected by this because there is a war going on in their country, so morally this is just wrong. Legally, its a different story.
Morally? It's a comedy show. Which country are you talking about? There is not just one "muslim country". I assume you were talking about either Afghanistan or Iraq, but it was apparently a Pakistani group so there goes that argument. And that doesn't give them any justification whatsoever for making terrorist threats and attempting to carry them out. Religion is not sacred, anything can be made fun of. In fact, the sheer absurdity of religion in general should open it up to more ridicule, not less.
I'm taking about Pakistan (however i have some connections with Afghanistan). I don't think that what the terrorists did was any way justifying, it was just stupid and wrong. And religion isn't sacred, your absolutely right, in fact i believe that they are some holes with religion. I mean there are TONS of comedy shows, but none of them offend religion as bad as the South Park people did. I think that if you were a Muslim, you would feel some offense to that.
And so what?
Maybe if people kept to themselves and didn't let other people "offend" them by simply talking it wouldn't be a damn issue. You can only be offended by something when you take it personally. Religion is generally the group that takes the MOST offense to something when they are "attacked" as if their beliefs are somehow higher than anyone elses.
I've seen what some what say offensive things toward my race but I really don't care because you know...the people saying it mean NOTHING to me.
On May 03 2010 09:54 eSen1a wrote: I love how gaming sites are so vocal on worldly issues, especially TL.net :D
As for connections with south park, I think they have every right to criticize any religion (including Islam). I am a christian but even i acknowledge how organized religion can be fucking stupid and someone has to point this out. They have had Jesus on that show frequently and Satan is a raging homosexual so i don't see why Muslims should feel more offended than Christians. That being said I know a few Muslims and they wouldn't care less... I guess the difference is radical Christians preach, radical Muslims blow shit up.
disclaimer:i have no credibility
I think Muslims feel offended due to the fact that many cartoons are depicting their religion. South Park has every right to do what they did legally. But morally, many people would agree that this is just jumping the line, even though they have had other religions on it. Muslims (as I am one) are greatly affected by this because there is a war going on in their country, so morally this is just wrong. Legally, its a different story.
Morally? It's a comedy show. Which country are you talking about? There is not just one "muslim country". I assume you were talking about either Afghanistan or Iraq, but it was apparently a Pakistani group so there goes that argument. And that doesn't give them any justification whatsoever for making terrorist threats and attempting to carry them out. Religion is not sacred, anything can be made fun of. In fact, the sheer absurdity of religion in general should open it up to more ridicule, not less.
I mean there are TONS of comedy shows, but none of them offend religion as bad as the South Park people did. I think that if you were a Muslim, you would feel some offense to that.
I think I would be more offended that so many people of my religion are little whiny juveniles that a network would have to make a special exception to censor jokes just for that religion so that people don't get their panties in a bunch.
On May 03 2010 09:54 eSen1a wrote: I love how gaming sites are so vocal on worldly issues, especially TL.net :D
As for connections with south park, I think they have every right to criticize any religion (including Islam). I am a christian but even i acknowledge how organized religion can be fucking stupid and someone has to point this out. They have had Jesus on that show frequently and Satan is a raging homosexual so i don't see why Muslims should feel more offended than Christians. That being said I know a few Muslims and they wouldn't care less... I guess the difference is radical Christians preach, radical Muslims blow shit up.
disclaimer:i have no credibility
I think Muslims feel offended due to the fact that many cartoons are depicting their religion. South Park has every right to do what they did legally. But morally, many people would agree that this is just jumping the line, even though they have had other religions on it. Muslims (as I am one) are greatly affected by this because there is a war going on in their country, so morally this is just wrong. Legally, its a different story.
Morally? It's a comedy show. Which country are you talking about? There is not just one "muslim country". I assume you were talking about either Afghanistan or Iraq, but it was apparently a Pakistani group so there goes that argument. And that doesn't give them any justification whatsoever for making terrorist threats and attempting to carry them out. Religion is not sacred, anything can be made fun of. In fact, the sheer absurdity of religion in general should open it up to more ridicule, not less.
I'm taking about Pakistan (however i have some connections with Afghanistan). I don't think that what the terrorists did was any way justifying, it was just stupid and wrong. And religion isn't sacred, your absolutely right, in fact i believe that they are some holes with religion. I mean there are TONS of comedy shows, but none of them offend religion as bad as the South Park people did. I think that if you were a Muslim, you would feel some offense to that.
And so what?
Maybe if people kept to themselves and didn't let other people "offend" them by simply talking it wouldn't be a damn issue. You can only be offended by something when you take it personally. Religion is generally the group that takes the MOST offense to something when they are "attacked" as if their beliefs are somehow higher than anyone elses.
I've seen what some what say offensive things toward my race but I really don't care because you know...the people saying it mean NOTHING to me.
Religious beliefs are not higher that anyway elses and i'm not trying to apply. All i'm saying is that the producers were wrong (again i mean morally) in what they said.
However, the difference between you and me is shown at the last sentence. I won't often take things personally, however religion to me is important and when someone offends it, i will take it personally unlike you. Its not bad or anything, its just that our views and personalities AND OPINIONS on certain things are different...."Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but not their facts"
On May 04 2010 05:06 hp.Methos wrote: so the Taliban admit to it... scumbags...
I don't think they did this...to amateurish, i mean these guys are a lot more pro than that and you don't leave a car running with a bomb inside...thats just stupid and drawing attention.
On May 03 2010 09:54 eSen1a wrote: I love how gaming sites are so vocal on worldly issues, especially TL.net :D
As for connections with south park, I think they have every right to criticize any religion (including Islam). I am a christian but even i acknowledge how organized religion can be fucking stupid and someone has to point this out. They have had Jesus on that show frequently and Satan is a raging homosexual so i don't see why Muslims should feel more offended than Christians. That being said I know a few Muslims and they wouldn't care less... I guess the difference is radical Christians preach, radical Muslims blow shit up.
disclaimer:i have no credibility
I think Muslims feel offended due to the fact that many cartoons are depicting their religion. South Park has every right to do what they did legally. But morally, many people would agree that this is just jumping the line, even though they have had other religions on it. Muslims (as I am one) are greatly affected by this because there is a war going on in their country, so morally this is just wrong. Legally, its a different story.
Morally? It's a comedy show. Which country are you talking about? There is not just one "muslim country". I assume you were talking about either Afghanistan or Iraq, but it was apparently a Pakistani group so there goes that argument. And that doesn't give them any justification whatsoever for making terrorist threats and attempting to carry them out. Religion is not sacred, anything can be made fun of. In fact, the sheer absurdity of religion in general should open it up to more ridicule, not less.
I'm taking about Pakistan (however i have some connections with Afghanistan). I don't think that what the terrorists did was any way justifying, it was just stupid and wrong. And religion isn't sacred, your absolutely right, in fact i believe that they are some holes with religion. I mean there are TONS of comedy shows, but none of them offend religion as bad as the South Park people did. I think that if you were a Muslim, you would feel some offense to that.
And so what?
Maybe if people kept to themselves and didn't let other people "offend" them by simply talking it wouldn't be a damn issue. You can only be offended by something when you take it personally. Religion is generally the group that takes the MOST offense to something when they are "attacked" as if their beliefs are somehow higher than anyone elses.
I've seen what some what say offensive things toward my race but I really don't care because you know...the people saying it mean NOTHING to me.
Religious beliefs are not higher that anyway elses and i'm not trying to apply. All i'm saying is that the producers were wrong (again i mean morally) in what they said.
However, the difference between you and me is shown at the last sentence. I won't often take things personally, however religion to me is important and when someone offends it, i will take it personally unlike you. Its not bad or anything, its just that our views and personalities AND OPINIONS on certain things are different...."Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but not their facts"
Ok so religion is important to you, that doesn't inherently explain why you would take it personally.
I think religion is ridiculous. Nothing about it makes any sense to me. In contrast my father is a very religious person. I'll occasionally make a crack at how awful religion is when I see something on TV to prove my point and he'll respond by calling me a godless heathen. In the end I know not to take what he says personally and vice versa. You want to know why?
What he says has absolutely no affect on what I believe at all. The same goes for him. He will continue to believe what he will believe and I will continue to not believe in what he believes.
My dad and I get a long great.
So really, you shouldn't be offended when someone finds what you believe in ridiculous. The only reason you ever should is if you have doubts about what you believe in. If you don't I really fail to see the issue.
On May 03 2010 09:54 eSen1a wrote: I love how gaming sites are so vocal on worldly issues, especially TL.net :D
As for connections with south park, I think they have every right to criticize any religion (including Islam). I am a christian but even i acknowledge how organized religion can be fucking stupid and someone has to point this out. They have had Jesus on that show frequently and Satan is a raging homosexual so i don't see why Muslims should feel more offended than Christians. That being said I know a few Muslims and they wouldn't care less... I guess the difference is radical Christians preach, radical Muslims blow shit up.
disclaimer:i have no credibility
I think Muslims feel offended due to the fact that many cartoons are depicting their religion. South Park has every right to do what they did legally. But morally, many people would agree that this is just jumping the line, even though they have had other religions on it. Muslims (as I am one) are greatly affected by this because there is a war going on in their country, so morally this is just wrong. Legally, its a different story.
Morally? It's a comedy show. Which country are you talking about? There is not just one "muslim country". I assume you were talking about either Afghanistan or Iraq, but it was apparently a Pakistani group so there goes that argument. And that doesn't give them any justification whatsoever for making terrorist threats and attempting to carry them out. Religion is not sacred, anything can be made fun of. In fact, the sheer absurdity of religion in general should open it up to more ridicule, not less.
I'm taking about Pakistan (however i have some connections with Afghanistan). I don't think that what the terrorists did was any way justifying, it was just stupid and wrong. And religion isn't sacred, your absolutely right, in fact i believe that they are some holes with religion. I mean there are TONS of comedy shows, but none of them offend religion as bad as the South Park people did. I think that if you were a Muslim, you would feel some offense to that.
And so what?
Maybe if people kept to themselves and didn't let other people "offend" them by simply talking it wouldn't be a damn issue. You can only be offended by something when you take it personally. Religion is generally the group that takes the MOST offense to something when they are "attacked" as if their beliefs are somehow higher than anyone elses.
I've seen what some what say offensive things toward my race but I really don't care because you know...the people saying it mean NOTHING to me.
Religious beliefs are not higher that anyway elses and i'm not trying to apply. All i'm saying is that the producers were wrong (again i mean morally) in what they said.
However, the difference between you and me is shown at the last sentence. I won't often take things personally, however religion to me is important and when someone offends it, i will take it personally unlike you. Its not bad or anything, its just that our views and personalities AND OPINIONS on certain things are different...."Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but not their facts"
Ok so religion is important to you, that doesn't inherently explain why you would take it personally.
I think religion is ridiculous. Nothing about it makes any sense to me. In contrast my father is a very religious person. I'll occasionally make a crack at how awful religion is when I see something on TV to prove my point and he'll respond by calling me a godless heathen. In the end I know not to take what he says personally and vice versa. You want to know why?
What he says has absolutely no affect on what I believe at all. The same goes for him. He will continue to believe what he will believe and I will continue to not believe in what he believes.
My dad and I get a long great.
So really, you shouldn't be offended when someone finds what you believe in ridiculous. The only reason you ever should is if you have doubts about what you believe in. If you don't I really fail to see the issue.
If something is important to you...(family, religion,. friends, etc) and someone offends it, of course your going to take it personally. I think that this conversation has run its course due to our different opinions and personalities.
On May 03 2010 09:54 eSen1a wrote: I love how gaming sites are so vocal on worldly issues, especially TL.net :D
As for connections with south park, I think they have every right to criticize any religion (including Islam). I am a christian but even i acknowledge how organized religion can be fucking stupid and someone has to point this out. They have had Jesus on that show frequently and Satan is a raging homosexual so i don't see why Muslims should feel more offended than Christians. That being said I know a few Muslims and they wouldn't care less... I guess the difference is radical Christians preach, radical Muslims blow shit up.
disclaimer:i have no credibility
I think Muslims feel offended due to the fact that many cartoons are depicting their religion. South Park has every right to do what they did legally. But morally, many people would agree that this is just jumping the line, even though they have had other religions on it. Muslims (as I am one) are greatly affected by this because there is a war going on in their country, so morally this is just wrong. Legally, its a different story.
Morally? It's a comedy show. Which country are you talking about? There is not just one "muslim country". I assume you were talking about either Afghanistan or Iraq, but it was apparently a Pakistani group so there goes that argument. And that doesn't give them any justification whatsoever for making terrorist threats and attempting to carry them out. Religion is not sacred, anything can be made fun of. In fact, the sheer absurdity of religion in general should open it up to more ridicule, not less.
I'm taking about Pakistan (however i have some connections with Afghanistan). I don't think that what the terrorists did was any way justifying, it was just stupid and wrong. And religion isn't sacred, your absolutely right, in fact i believe that they are some holes with religion. I mean there are TONS of comedy shows, but none of them offend religion as bad as the South Park people did. I think that if you were a Muslim, you would feel some offense to that.
Did you even watch the episode? They trashed on every other religion, making them all look like buffoons. They even had Krishna iirc doing a line of coke while for Mohammed, the worst thing they did was threaten to show a representation of his face. How would a Muslim be more offended than a Christian, when Jesus is portrayed as a hapless moron, or Judaism where Moses is portrayed as a gigantic red top?
According to NBC, the suspect's name is Shahzad Faisal, a 30-year-old U.S. citizen of Pakistani descent. They report that the Connecticut native was arrested at JFK International Airport, apparently trying to flee the country.
CNN and the New York Times are also reporting that an arrest was made, either late Monday evening or early Tuesday morning, at JFK.
They most likely found out when they traced the vehicle, the "suspect" purchased the vehicle in Connecticut from a Craigslist dealer. The dealer said the guy had a "Hispanic or Middle Eastern appearance and was in his 20s or 30s.
All the local NYC news stations are hyped up on this shit, every boardcast 80% is dedicated to some analysis by some so called "expert" and skepticism bullshit.
"If the bomb went off it would hit a killzone, like if you would fire a barrage of AK47s."
Uhh sure? (Its more or less exactly what the so called expert said.)
edit: Why the hell did accidentally quote myself again? -__-
Nice that they caught him. He couldn't of thought he would get away from this.
I wonder if it will come out that he has Islamic background and that is why he did it or if he is just a crazy guy or someone who thinks differently about US politics (maybe had a family member die in a drone attack or wants the US out of the middle east etc).
gosh...I really don't think this should be news. from a newsworthiness standpoint or because terrorists shouldn't get air time over trivial shit like this
The would-be perpetrator is a naturalized "American" from Pakistan. It's almost as if we haven't been handing Pakistan tens of billions in financial aid over the years while downplaying their murderous jihad against India, or their extensive sponsorship and training of the Taliban.
Why are these people, so many of whom harbor ill will, permited to immigrate and settle in this country? What is the benefit to native-born Americans in all of this? The answer is, there is none.
On May 04 2010 21:01 HnR)hT wrote: The would-be perpetrator is a naturalized "American" from Pakistan. It's almost as if we haven't been handing Pakistan tens of billions in financial aid over the years while downplaying their murderous jihad against India, or their extensive sponsorship and training of the Taliban.
Why are these people, so many of whom harbor ill will, permited to immigrate and settle in this country? What is the benefit to native-born Americans in all of this? The answer is, there is none.
And how exactly are we supposed to determine or regulate an immigrant's intent?
On May 03 2010 09:54 eSen1a wrote: I love how gaming sites are so vocal on worldly issues, especially TL.net :D
As for connections with south park, I think they have every right to criticize any religion (including Islam). I am a christian but even i acknowledge how organized religion can be fucking stupid and someone has to point this out. They have had Jesus on that show frequently and Satan is a raging homosexual so i don't see why Muslims should feel more offended than Christians. That being said I know a few Muslims and they wouldn't care less... I guess the difference is radical Christians preach, radical Muslims blow shit up.
disclaimer:i have no credibility
I think Muslims feel offended due to the fact that many cartoons are depicting their religion. South Park has every right to do what they did legally. But morally, many people would agree that this is just jumping the line, even though they have had other religions on it. Muslims (as I am one) are greatly affected by this because there is a war going on in their country, so morally this is just wrong. Legally, its a different story.
Morally? It's a comedy show. Which country are you talking about? There is not just one "muslim country". I assume you were talking about either Afghanistan or Iraq, but it was apparently a Pakistani group so there goes that argument. And that doesn't give them any justification whatsoever for making terrorist threats and attempting to carry them out. Religion is not sacred, anything can be made fun of. In fact, the sheer absurdity of religion in general should open it up to more ridicule, not less.
I'm taking about Pakistan (however i have some connections with Afghanistan). I don't think that what the terrorists did was any way justifying, it was just stupid and wrong. And religion isn't sacred, your absolutely right, in fact i believe that they are some holes with religion. I mean there are TONS of comedy shows, but none of them offend religion as bad as the South Park people did. I think that if you were a Muslim, you would feel some offense to that.
Did you even watch the episode? They trashed on every other religion, making them all look like buffoons. They even had Krishna iirc doing a line of coke while for Mohammed, the worst thing they did was threaten to show a representation of his face. How would a Muslim be more offended than a Christian, when Jesus is portrayed as a hapless moron, or Judaism where Moses is portrayed as a gigantic red top?
Yes..I completely understand about what the show produces and shows to the public...however its natural for me to be offended if they target my religion because i care about religion. I bet you some Christians are also mad at this show....mainly because they care about religion.
On May 04 2010 21:01 HnR)hT wrote: The would-be perpetrator is a naturalized "American" from Pakistan. It's almost as if we haven't been handing Pakistan tens of billions in financial aid over the years while downplaying their murderous jihad against India, or their extensive sponsorship and training of the Taliban.
Why are these people, so many of whom harbor ill will, permited to immigrate and settle in this country? What is the benefit to native-born Americans in all of this? The answer is, there is none.
Yup. I am glad there are no North Korean Terrorists (or at least public perception of one) because I can imagine all the shit I would have gone through if there was one.
On May 03 2010 09:54 eSen1a wrote: I love how gaming sites are so vocal on worldly issues, especially TL.net :D
As for connections with south park, I think they have every right to criticize any religion (including Islam). I am a christian but even i acknowledge how organized religion can be fucking stupid and someone has to point this out. They have had Jesus on that show frequently and Satan is a raging homosexual so i don't see why Muslims should feel more offended than Christians. That being said I know a few Muslims and they wouldn't care less... I guess the difference is radical Christians preach, radical Muslims blow shit up.
disclaimer:i have no credibility
I think Muslims feel offended due to the fact that many cartoons are depicting their religion. South Park has every right to do what they did legally. But morally, many people would agree that this is just jumping the line, even though they have had other religions on it. Muslims (as I am one) are greatly affected by this because there is a war going on in their country, so morally this is just wrong. Legally, its a different story.
Morally? It's a comedy show. Which country are you talking about? There is not just one "muslim country". I assume you were talking about either Afghanistan or Iraq, but it was apparently a Pakistani group so there goes that argument. And that doesn't give them any justification whatsoever for making terrorist threats and attempting to carry them out. Religion is not sacred, anything can be made fun of. In fact, the sheer absurdity of religion in general should open it up to more ridicule, not less.
I'm taking about Pakistan (however i have some connections with Afghanistan). I don't think that what the terrorists did was any way justifying, it was just stupid and wrong. And religion isn't sacred, your absolutely right, in fact i believe that they are some holes with religion. I mean there are TONS of comedy shows, but none of them offend religion as bad as the South Park people did. I think that if you were a Muslim, you would feel some offense to that.
Did you even watch the episode? They trashed on every other religion, making them all look like buffoons. They even had Krishna iirc doing a line of coke while for Mohammed, the worst thing they did was threaten to show a representation of his face. How would a Muslim be more offended than a Christian, when Jesus is portrayed as a hapless moron, or Judaism where Moses is portrayed as a gigantic red top?
Yes..I completely understand about what the show produces and shows to the public...however its natural for me to be offended if they target my religion because i care about religion. I bet you some Christians are also mad at this show....mainly because they care about religion.
Well you just better get used to it, it's not going away. Your religion (and all others for that matter) is a joke and a disgrace, and more people are realizing it every day. The fact that your religion exists and is given any credibility by anybody is far more offensive than any cartoon.
On May 03 2010 09:54 eSen1a wrote: I love how gaming sites are so vocal on worldly issues, especially TL.net :D
As for connections with south park, I think they have every right to criticize any religion (including Islam). I am a christian but even i acknowledge how organized religion can be fucking stupid and someone has to point this out. They have had Jesus on that show frequently and Satan is a raging homosexual so i don't see why Muslims should feel more offended than Christians. That being said I know a few Muslims and they wouldn't care less... I guess the difference is radical Christians preach, radical Muslims blow shit up.
disclaimer:i have no credibility
I think Muslims feel offended due to the fact that many cartoons are depicting their religion. South Park has every right to do what they did legally. But morally, many people would agree that this is just jumping the line, even though they have had other religions on it. Muslims (as I am one) are greatly affected by this because there is a war going on in their country, so morally this is just wrong. Legally, its a different story.
Morally? It's a comedy show. Which country are you talking about? There is not just one "muslim country". I assume you were talking about either Afghanistan or Iraq, but it was apparently a Pakistani group so there goes that argument. And that doesn't give them any justification whatsoever for making terrorist threats and attempting to carry them out. Religion is not sacred, anything can be made fun of. In fact, the sheer absurdity of religion in general should open it up to more ridicule, not less.
I'm taking about Pakistan (however i have some connections with Afghanistan). I don't think that what the terrorists did was any way justifying, it was just stupid and wrong. And religion isn't sacred, your absolutely right, in fact i believe that they are some holes with religion. I mean there are TONS of comedy shows, but none of them offend religion as bad as the South Park people did. I think that if you were a Muslim, you would feel some offense to that.
Did you even watch the episode? They trashed on every other religion, making them all look like buffoons. They even had Krishna iirc doing a line of coke while for Mohammed, the worst thing they did was threaten to show a representation of his face. How would a Muslim be more offended than a Christian, when Jesus is portrayed as a hapless moron, or Judaism where Moses is portrayed as a gigantic red top?
Yes..I completely understand about what the show produces and shows to the public...however its natural for me to be offended if they target my religion because i care about religion. I bet you some Christians are also mad at this show....mainly because they care about religion.
Well you just better get used to it, it's not going away. Your religion (and all others for that matter) is a joke and a disgrace, and more people are realizing it every day. The fact that your religion exists and is given any credibility by anybody is far more offensive than any cartoon.
I know its not going away. And also,, my religion is the fastest growing in the world (Islam) so I would believe that it is not a "joke and a disgrace"
On May 03 2010 09:54 eSen1a wrote: I love how gaming sites are so vocal on worldly issues, especially TL.net :D
As for connections with south park, I think they have every right to criticize any religion (including Islam). I am a christian but even i acknowledge how organized religion can be fucking stupid and someone has to point this out. They have had Jesus on that show frequently and Satan is a raging homosexual so i don't see why Muslims should feel more offended than Christians. That being said I know a few Muslims and they wouldn't care less... I guess the difference is radical Christians preach, radical Muslims blow shit up.
disclaimer:i have no credibility
I think Muslims feel offended due to the fact that many cartoons are depicting their religion. South Park has every right to do what they did legally. But morally, many people would agree that this is just jumping the line, even though they have had other religions on it. Muslims (as I am one) are greatly affected by this because there is a war going on in their country, so morally this is just wrong. Legally, its a different story.
Morally? It's a comedy show. Which country are you talking about? There is not just one "muslim country". I assume you were talking about either Afghanistan or Iraq, but it was apparently a Pakistani group so there goes that argument. And that doesn't give them any justification whatsoever for making terrorist threats and attempting to carry them out. Religion is not sacred, anything can be made fun of. In fact, the sheer absurdity of religion in general should open it up to more ridicule, not less.
I'm taking about Pakistan (however i have some connections with Afghanistan). I don't think that what the terrorists did was any way justifying, it was just stupid and wrong. And religion isn't sacred, your absolutely right, in fact i believe that they are some holes with religion. I mean there are TONS of comedy shows, but none of them offend religion as bad as the South Park people did. I think that if you were a Muslim, you would feel some offense to that.
Did you even watch the episode? They trashed on every other religion, making them all look like buffoons. They even had Krishna iirc doing a line of coke while for Mohammed, the worst thing they did was threaten to show a representation of his face. How would a Muslim be more offended than a Christian, when Jesus is portrayed as a hapless moron, or Judaism where Moses is portrayed as a gigantic red top?
Yes..I completely understand about what the show produces and shows to the public...however its natural for me to be offended if they target my religion because i care about religion. I bet you some Christians are also mad at this show....mainly because they care about religion.
Well you just better get used to it, it's not going away. Your religion (and all others for that matter) is a joke and a disgrace, and more people are realizing it every day. The fact that your religion exists and is given any credibility by anybody is far more offensive than any cartoon.
I know its not going away. And also,, my religion is the fastest growing in the world (Islam) so I would believe that it is not a "joke and a disgrace"
I think he meant Religion as a whole, not just Islam.
On May 03 2010 09:54 eSen1a wrote: I love how gaming sites are so vocal on worldly issues, especially TL.net :D
As for connections with south park, I think they have every right to criticize any religion (including Islam). I am a christian but even i acknowledge how organized religion can be fucking stupid and someone has to point this out. They have had Jesus on that show frequently and Satan is a raging homosexual so i don't see why Muslims should feel more offended than Christians. That being said I know a few Muslims and they wouldn't care less... I guess the difference is radical Christians preach, radical Muslims blow shit up.
disclaimer:i have no credibility
I think Muslims feel offended due to the fact that many cartoons are depicting their religion. South Park has every right to do what they did legally. But morally, many people would agree that this is just jumping the line, even though they have had other religions on it. Muslims (as I am one) are greatly affected by this because there is a war going on in their country, so morally this is just wrong. Legally, its a different story.
Morally? It's a comedy show. Which country are you talking about? There is not just one "muslim country". I assume you were talking about either Afghanistan or Iraq, but it was apparently a Pakistani group so there goes that argument. And that doesn't give them any justification whatsoever for making terrorist threats and attempting to carry them out. Religion is not sacred, anything can be made fun of. In fact, the sheer absurdity of religion in general should open it up to more ridicule, not less.
I'm taking about Pakistan (however i have some connections with Afghanistan). I don't think that what the terrorists did was any way justifying, it was just stupid and wrong. And religion isn't sacred, your absolutely right, in fact i believe that they are some holes with religion. I mean there are TONS of comedy shows, but none of them offend religion as bad as the South Park people did. I think that if you were a Muslim, you would feel some offense to that.
Did you even watch the episode? They trashed on every other religion, making them all look like buffoons. They even had Krishna iirc doing a line of coke while for Mohammed, the worst thing they did was threaten to show a representation of his face. How would a Muslim be more offended than a Christian, when Jesus is portrayed as a hapless moron, or Judaism where Moses is portrayed as a gigantic red top?
Yes..I completely understand about what the show produces and shows to the public...however its natural for me to be offended if they target my religion because i care about religion. I bet you some Christians are also mad at this show....mainly because they care about religion.
Well you just better get used to it, it's not going away. Your religion (and all others for that matter) is a joke and a disgrace, and more people are realizing it every day. The fact that your religion exists and is given any credibility by anybody is far more offensive than any cartoon.
It's kinda harsh to say stuff like that...
On topic: I just think people need to stop caring about stuff like this :s So what someone shows a picture of Mohammed... I mean really, is it worth blowing stuff up about it? There are far worse things that are rude and racist
On May 05 2010 03:48 Destro wrote: WORSTE..... TERRORIST........EVER.
seriously, I think a 16 year old kid with a pipe bomb could have done better.
Pretty sure it was just a decoy. If I was a terrorist. I'd pay some schmuck to park a car there for 20 bucks just to see what security was like. Seriously...as a high school student I could design better car bombs where the electronics don't epic fail...
I'd masquerade as a tourist with a camcorder and record the whole thing seeing what security was like and what not.
The would-be bomber packed the car with more than 100 pounds of fertilizer, but not the kind that would explode, police said.
Had the bomber chosen the right kind of fertilizer, the bomb would have had the force of more than 100 pounds of TNT. But instead of ammonium nitrate, the kind of fertilizer used by Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh, the bomber used a harmless fertilizer, New York City Police Department spokesman Paul Browne said.
The United States was almost defeated by a retard.
The would-be bomber packed the car with more than 100 pounds of fertilizer, but not the kind that would explode, police said.
Had the bomber chosen the right kind of fertilizer, the bomb would have had the force of more than 100 pounds of TNT. But instead of ammonium nitrate, the kind of fertilizer used by Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh, the bomber used a harmless fertilizer, New York City Police Department spokesman Paul Browne said.
The United States was almost defeated by a retard.
Great. Tell the terrorists what they did wrong. I am really glad for this mistake though- it would literally have been horrible should it have worked. I guess Captain Chemistry to the rescue?
EPT
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