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rei
United States3594 Posts
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renshank
United States41 Posts
On May 02 2010 17:06 rei wrote: tinman which part of "There is a difference between knowing the path and walking the path" did you not understand? Why don't you walk the path of making some of these argument that you mention, instead of telling us you know about them? I think that argument by matrix reference is one of my favorite things to see.  | ||
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tinman
United States287 Posts
do you understand what i am saying? i am saying it is patently outside of the scope of youtube to tackle a concept as historically freighted as skepticism. just like it is patently outside the capacity of this internet forum to sustain the sort of philosophical debate that tends toward conclusions rather than towards multiplying disagreements. are you looking for a sound bite? sorry, man, i got no quote nearly as cute as "there is a difference between knowing the path and walking the path." fresh out, dude. | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
The guy made those youtube videos to show people the door and we are the one that has to walk through it by actively practice critical thinking on everything around us. | ||
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tinman
United States287 Posts
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Aesop
Hungary11304 Posts
On May 02 2010 17:24 rei wrote: But I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it The guy made those youtube videos to show people the door and we are the one that has to walk through it by actively practice critical thinking on everything around us. Rather, that guy is rehearsing a stand-up routine that has been invented several hundred years ago that sends people through some kind of "door" but then confines them to quite narrow boundaries while they are having the feeling of being freed from all of them. | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
On May 02 2010 17:20 tinman wrote: because the point i was making is that philosophical positions of any real sophistication take gigantic efforts to elaborate? do you understand what i am saying? i am saying it is patently outside of the scope of youtube to tackle a concept as historically freighted as skepticism. just like it is patently outside the capacity of this internet forum to sustain the sort of philosophical debate that tends toward conclusions rather than towards multiplying disagreements. are you looking for a sound bite? sorry, man, i got no quote nearly as cute as "there is a difference between knowing the path and walking the path." fresh out, dude. You are dismissing people on this internet forum because they are outside the capacity to sustain the sort of philosophical debate base on what fact? Maybe you and I have a different interpretation of what fact is, for me fact means provable concept. I'm not looking for a sound bite, i'm looking for a free lesson from a philosophical capable individual such as yourself. So that I can be enlighten by your real sophisticated gigantic effort when you elaborate yourself. I like to think very highly of everybody until they proven themselves otherwise, instead of thinking lowly of others and make them prove themselves to be worthy of a decent debate. | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
On May 02 2010 17:27 Aesop wrote: Rather, that guy is rehearsing a stand-up routine that has been invented several hundred years ago that sends people through some kind of "door" but then confines them to quite narrow boundaries while they are having the feeling of being freed from all of them. What about those of us who have no prior knowledge of this invention several hundred years ago, but derived the same logic and came to the same conclusion as those who did hundred years ago? From this point of view that youtube guy is not rehearsing he's reaffirming these arguments. and on top of that what fact do you have that this guy is rehearsing someone else's work? for all you know he could came up with this conclusion independently like many others before him. What narrow boundaries confinement? are you referring to his choice of examples of usage of critical thinking? I am guessing the reason he choose those examples were because they are closer to people's daily life, so that the audiences can have a easier time to make a connection between the new concept and what they been experiencing. It is a lot easier for metacognition to take place if you connect the new concept in question to their passed experiences. | ||
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Badjas
Netherlands2038 Posts
On May 02 2010 17:27 Aesop wrote: Rather, that guy is rehearsing a stand-up routine that has been invented several hundred years ago that sends people through some kind of "door" but then confines them to quite narrow boundaries while they are having the feeling of being freed from all of them. The boundaries that are becoming more narrow are simply new boundaries that are added. The new boundaries would be the border between what is plausible within a framework of critical thought, and what seems implausible or simply false. And in between is a huge area of information for which you cannot confirm or deny its truth, and also information that has no use of being evaluated. Besides the tools that are given to you in the room behind the door, you can keep any other methodologies for reasoning and have your own boundaries. | ||
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Aelfric
Turkey1496 Posts
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Wonders
Australia753 Posts
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Aelfric
Turkey1496 Posts
On May 02 2010 18:17 Wonders wrote: For those who are interested, a great introduction to skepticism is Carl Sagan's "Demon Haunted World". People do get "converted" but probably not many by youtube videos. Because of its popularity youtube videos can be a good start for so many things. | ||
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Catch]22
Sweden2683 Posts
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
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daz
Canada643 Posts
On May 02 2010 16:13 tinman wrote: dude is a blowhard, but the marketable part of the videos is that it gives people who desperately need it the sensation that they, too, are one of the select few critical thinkers with the intellectual wherewithal to see through the bullshit that everyone else cherishes so dearly in their unregenerate state. oldest fucking racket in the book. "if you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you. but if you really make them think; they'll hate you." -- Don Marquis (1878-1937) I fail to understand why you have a problem with a guy trying to teach people critical thinking. Imo we need as much of this as possible. This guys videos should be taught in schools. | ||
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HnR)hT
United States3468 Posts
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gyth
657 Posts
Either side which doesn't see the degradation and extermination of its ideological opponents as good is probably going to be without value. Murdering someone who doesn't agree with you; very cosmopolitan. | ||
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UFO
582 Posts
So basicly - he`s right and not right because its not complete and it doesn`t state that incompleteness and if someone assumes its complete - then they might make their way on the wrong assumption, until they realize that. Its not like reason is our first intelligence even , remember any situation where you socialize with buddies - is it really logic that is the guiding force ? | ||
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gyth
657 Posts
I fail to understand why you have a problem with a guy trying to teach people critical thinking. Imo we need as much of this as possible. This guys videos should be taught in schools. You can't teach critical thinking in a 10 minute youtube vid. The danger is if someone watches it once, thinks "I r teh critical think", and then lives their life believing their prejudices have been justified. But its a good introduction for people willing to learn more. | ||
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duckett
United States589 Posts
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