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Lixler i've no idea what you're saying
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On May 02 2010 09:53 Lixler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2010 09:40 zulu_nation8 wrote:On May 02 2010 09:35 Lixler wrote:On May 02 2010 09:33 zulu_nation8 wrote:
critical thinking is nice but i don't like the examples he uses. I only went through one video but he seems to want to make religious people look like idiots. In the age of nihilism, they certainly are. Especially people whose religion has any kind of metaphysical assertions. I don't understand, who said we're in an age of nihilism and which religions don't make any metaphysical assertions. It should be pretty evident that the current age is nihilistic at root. Take any political controversy as evidence. Buddhism doesn't make metaphysical assertions of the nature that are relevant to logic.
What is reincarnation?
Seriously, why can't the 2 groups not just leave each other alone? Calling each other "idiots, retards, emotionally retarded, inhumane" doesn't really do any good for either side, does it?
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On May 02 2010 10:01 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Lixler i've no idea what you're saying
Oh well.
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On May 02 2010 10:04 Ghostcom wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2010 09:53 Lixler wrote:On May 02 2010 09:40 zulu_nation8 wrote:On May 02 2010 09:35 Lixler wrote:On May 02 2010 09:33 zulu_nation8 wrote:
critical thinking is nice but i don't like the examples he uses. I only went through one video but he seems to want to make religious people look like idiots. In the age of nihilism, they certainly are. Especially people whose religion has any kind of metaphysical assertions. I don't understand, who said we're in an age of nihilism and which religions don't make any metaphysical assertions. It should be pretty evident that the current age is nihilistic at root. Take any political controversy as evidence. Buddhism doesn't make metaphysical assertions of the nature that are relevant to logic. What is reincarnation? Seriously, why can't the 2 groups not just leave each other alone? Calling each other "idiots, retards, emotionally retarded, inhumane" doesn't really do any good for either side, does it?
Either side which doesn't see the degradation and extermination of its ideological opponents as good is probably going to be without value.
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On May 02 2010 10:04 Ghostcom wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2010 09:53 Lixler wrote:On May 02 2010 09:40 zulu_nation8 wrote:On May 02 2010 09:35 Lixler wrote:On May 02 2010 09:33 zulu_nation8 wrote:
critical thinking is nice but i don't like the examples he uses. I only went through one video but he seems to want to make religious people look like idiots. In the age of nihilism, they certainly are. Especially people whose religion has any kind of metaphysical assertions. I don't understand, who said we're in an age of nihilism and which religions don't make any metaphysical assertions. It should be pretty evident that the current age is nihilistic at root. Take any political controversy as evidence. Buddhism doesn't make metaphysical assertions of the nature that are relevant to logic. What is reincarnation?
In English, the preferred term is "rebirth," and it depends. Some Buddhists see it as no more than an evolving of consciousness.
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On May 02 2010 10:05 Lixler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2010 10:04 Ghostcom wrote:On May 02 2010 09:53 Lixler wrote:On May 02 2010 09:40 zulu_nation8 wrote:On May 02 2010 09:35 Lixler wrote:On May 02 2010 09:33 zulu_nation8 wrote:
critical thinking is nice but i don't like the examples he uses. I only went through one video but he seems to want to make religious people look like idiots. In the age of nihilism, they certainly are. Especially people whose religion has any kind of metaphysical assertions. I don't understand, who said we're in an age of nihilism and which religions don't make any metaphysical assertions. It should be pretty evident that the current age is nihilistic at root. Take any political controversy as evidence. Buddhism doesn't make metaphysical assertions of the nature that are relevant to logic. What is reincarnation? Seriously, why can't the 2 groups not just leave each other alone? Calling each other "idiots, retards, emotionally retarded, inhumane" doesn't really do any good for either side, does it? Either side which doesn't see the degradation and extermination of its ideological opponents as good is probably going to be without value.
A) That is a pretty idiotic statement.
B) Science and religion aren't ideological opponents
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On May 02 2010 10:05 Lixler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2010 10:04 Ghostcom wrote:On May 02 2010 09:53 Lixler wrote:On May 02 2010 09:40 zulu_nation8 wrote:On May 02 2010 09:35 Lixler wrote:On May 02 2010 09:33 zulu_nation8 wrote:
critical thinking is nice but i don't like the examples he uses. I only went through one video but he seems to want to make religious people look like idiots. In the age of nihilism, they certainly are. Especially people whose religion has any kind of metaphysical assertions. I don't understand, who said we're in an age of nihilism and which religions don't make any metaphysical assertions. It should be pretty evident that the current age is nihilistic at root. Take any political controversy as evidence. Buddhism doesn't make metaphysical assertions of the nature that are relevant to logic. What is reincarnation? Seriously, why can't the 2 groups not just leave each other alone? Calling each other "idiots, retards, emotionally retarded, inhumane" doesn't really do any good for either side, does it? Either side which doesn't see the degradation and extermination of its ideological opponents as good is probably going to be without value.
That's nonsense.
Dissent is good regardless of the truth of its claims.
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On May 02 2010 10:09 Ghostcom wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2010 10:05 Lixler wrote:On May 02 2010 10:04 Ghostcom wrote:On May 02 2010 09:53 Lixler wrote:On May 02 2010 09:40 zulu_nation8 wrote:On May 02 2010 09:35 Lixler wrote:On May 02 2010 09:33 zulu_nation8 wrote:
critical thinking is nice but i don't like the examples he uses. I only went through one video but he seems to want to make religious people look like idiots. In the age of nihilism, they certainly are. Especially people whose religion has any kind of metaphysical assertions. I don't understand, who said we're in an age of nihilism and which religions don't make any metaphysical assertions. It should be pretty evident that the current age is nihilistic at root. Take any political controversy as evidence. Buddhism doesn't make metaphysical assertions of the nature that are relevant to logic. What is reincarnation? Seriously, why can't the 2 groups not just leave each other alone? Calling each other "idiots, retards, emotionally retarded, inhumane" doesn't really do any good for either side, does it? Either side which doesn't see the degradation and extermination of its ideological opponents as good is probably going to be without value. A) That is a pretty idiotic statement. B) Science and religion aren't ideological opponents
A) Why do you say that?
B) You're right, but they certainly should be.
On May 02 2010 10:10 Mindcrime wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2010 10:05 Lixler wrote:On May 02 2010 10:04 Ghostcom wrote:On May 02 2010 09:53 Lixler wrote:On May 02 2010 09:40 zulu_nation8 wrote:On May 02 2010 09:35 Lixler wrote:On May 02 2010 09:33 zulu_nation8 wrote:
critical thinking is nice but i don't like the examples he uses. I only went through one video but he seems to want to make religious people look like idiots. In the age of nihilism, they certainly are. Especially people whose religion has any kind of metaphysical assertions. I don't understand, who said we're in an age of nihilism and which religions don't make any metaphysical assertions. It should be pretty evident that the current age is nihilistic at root. Take any political controversy as evidence. Buddhism doesn't make metaphysical assertions of the nature that are relevant to logic. What is reincarnation? Seriously, why can't the 2 groups not just leave each other alone? Calling each other "idiots, retards, emotionally retarded, inhumane" doesn't really do any good for either side, does it? Either side which doesn't see the degradation and extermination of its ideological opponents as good is probably going to be without value. That's nonsense. Dissent is good regardless of the truth of its claims.
It is, but nobody should consider dissent from what they think positive.
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On May 02 2010 10:09 Mindcrime wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2010 10:04 Ghostcom wrote:On May 02 2010 09:53 Lixler wrote:On May 02 2010 09:40 zulu_nation8 wrote:On May 02 2010 09:35 Lixler wrote:On May 02 2010 09:33 zulu_nation8 wrote:
critical thinking is nice but i don't like the examples he uses. I only went through one video but he seems to want to make religious people look like idiots. In the age of nihilism, they certainly are. Especially people whose religion has any kind of metaphysical assertions. I don't understand, who said we're in an age of nihilism and which religions don't make any metaphysical assertions. It should be pretty evident that the current age is nihilistic at root. Take any political controversy as evidence. Buddhism doesn't make metaphysical assertions of the nature that are relevant to logic. What is reincarnation? In English, the preferred term is "rebirth," and it depends. Some Buddhists see it as no more than an evolving of consciousness.
Pretty sure that the 2 words are synonyms and that what is preferred is like arguing wheter or not colour is in fact not spelled color...
And the fact that Dalai Lama believes it to be an actual reincarnation/rebirth seems to still make my original point valid...
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On May 02 2010 10:15 Ghostcom wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2010 10:09 Mindcrime wrote:On May 02 2010 10:04 Ghostcom wrote:On May 02 2010 09:53 Lixler wrote:On May 02 2010 09:40 zulu_nation8 wrote:On May 02 2010 09:35 Lixler wrote:On May 02 2010 09:33 zulu_nation8 wrote:
critical thinking is nice but i don't like the examples he uses. I only went through one video but he seems to want to make religious people look like idiots. In the age of nihilism, they certainly are. Especially people whose religion has any kind of metaphysical assertions. I don't understand, who said we're in an age of nihilism and which religions don't make any metaphysical assertions. It should be pretty evident that the current age is nihilistic at root. Take any political controversy as evidence. Buddhism doesn't make metaphysical assertions of the nature that are relevant to logic. What is reincarnation? In English, the preferred term is "rebirth," and it depends. Some Buddhists see it as no more than an evolving of consciousness. Pretty sure that the 2 words are synonyms and that what is preferred is like arguing wheter or not colour is in fact not spelled color... And the fact that Dalai Lama believes it to be an actual reincarnation/rebirth seems to still make my original point valid...
Oh, you were giving a jeopardy-style contradiction? Reincarnation isn't really a scientifically observable claim, and logic can't call it meaningless. The Buddhist doctrine that is derived from reincarnation (as far as I am aware) is generally life-affirming and not hostile to non-believers, so there wouldn't be any reason to argue against it.
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isn't it a metaphysical idea though
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On May 02 2010 10:18 zulu_nation8 wrote:
isn't it a metaphysical idea though
I wouldn't consider it one. Metaphysics as "transcending physics" or the physics of physics, would only refer to deities or other creatures that control how the universe works.
I've gotten myself into quite a mess.
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On May 02 2010 09:33 zulu_nation8 wrote:
critical thinking is nice but i don't like the examples he uses. I only went through one video but he seems to want to make religious people look like idiots.
Uhh... Yeah. lol
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On May 02 2010 10:19 Lixler wrote:I wouldn't consider it one. Metaphysics as "transcending physics" or the physics of physics, would only refer to deities or other creatures that control how the universe works.
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what the hell are you talking about?
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On May 02 2010 10:12 Lixler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2010 10:09 Ghostcom wrote:On May 02 2010 10:05 Lixler wrote:On May 02 2010 10:04 Ghostcom wrote:On May 02 2010 09:53 Lixler wrote:On May 02 2010 09:40 zulu_nation8 wrote:On May 02 2010 09:35 Lixler wrote:On May 02 2010 09:33 zulu_nation8 wrote:
critical thinking is nice but i don't like the examples he uses. I only went through one video but he seems to want to make religious people look like idiots. In the age of nihilism, they certainly are. Especially people whose religion has any kind of metaphysical assertions. I don't understand, who said we're in an age of nihilism and which religions don't make any metaphysical assertions. It should be pretty evident that the current age is nihilistic at root. Take any political controversy as evidence. Buddhism doesn't make metaphysical assertions of the nature that are relevant to logic. What is reincarnation? Seriously, why can't the 2 groups not just leave each other alone? Calling each other "idiots, retards, emotionally retarded, inhumane" doesn't really do any good for either side, does it? Either side which doesn't see the degradation and extermination of its ideological opponents as good is probably going to be without value. A) That is a pretty idiotic statement. B) Science and religion aren't ideological opponents A) Why do you say that? B) You're right, but they certainly should be. Show nested quote +On May 02 2010 10:10 Mindcrime wrote:On May 02 2010 10:05 Lixler wrote:On May 02 2010 10:04 Ghostcom wrote:On May 02 2010 09:53 Lixler wrote:On May 02 2010 09:40 zulu_nation8 wrote:On May 02 2010 09:35 Lixler wrote:On May 02 2010 09:33 zulu_nation8 wrote:
critical thinking is nice but i don't like the examples he uses. I only went through one video but he seems to want to make religious people look like idiots. In the age of nihilism, they certainly are. Especially people whose religion has any kind of metaphysical assertions. I don't understand, who said we're in an age of nihilism and which religions don't make any metaphysical assertions. It should be pretty evident that the current age is nihilistic at root. Take any political controversy as evidence. Buddhism doesn't make metaphysical assertions of the nature that are relevant to logic. What is reincarnation? Seriously, why can't the 2 groups not just leave each other alone? Calling each other "idiots, retards, emotionally retarded, inhumane" doesn't really do any good for either side, does it? Either side which doesn't see the degradation and extermination of its ideological opponents as good is probably going to be without value. That's nonsense. Dissent is good regardless of the truth of its claims. It is, but nobody should consider dissent from what they think positive.
I said that mainly due to B... And no, they shouldn't, perhaps you think so, but that is your personal opinion and not a fact, stop stating stuff like facts.
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I like how this thread has devolved into bashing religion.
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On May 02 2010 10:21 Ghostcom wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2010 10:12 Lixler wrote:On May 02 2010 10:09 Ghostcom wrote:On May 02 2010 10:05 Lixler wrote:On May 02 2010 10:04 Ghostcom wrote:On May 02 2010 09:53 Lixler wrote:On May 02 2010 09:40 zulu_nation8 wrote:On May 02 2010 09:35 Lixler wrote:On May 02 2010 09:33 zulu_nation8 wrote:
critical thinking is nice but i don't like the examples he uses. I only went through one video but he seems to want to make religious people look like idiots. In the age of nihilism, they certainly are. Especially people whose religion has any kind of metaphysical assertions. I don't understand, who said we're in an age of nihilism and which religions don't make any metaphysical assertions. It should be pretty evident that the current age is nihilistic at root. Take any political controversy as evidence. Buddhism doesn't make metaphysical assertions of the nature that are relevant to logic. What is reincarnation? Seriously, why can't the 2 groups not just leave each other alone? Calling each other "idiots, retards, emotionally retarded, inhumane" doesn't really do any good for either side, does it? Either side which doesn't see the degradation and extermination of its ideological opponents as good is probably going to be without value. A) That is a pretty idiotic statement. B) Science and religion aren't ideological opponents A) Why do you say that? B) You're right, but they certainly should be. On May 02 2010 10:10 Mindcrime wrote:On May 02 2010 10:05 Lixler wrote:On May 02 2010 10:04 Ghostcom wrote:On May 02 2010 09:53 Lixler wrote:On May 02 2010 09:40 zulu_nation8 wrote:On May 02 2010 09:35 Lixler wrote:On May 02 2010 09:33 zulu_nation8 wrote:
critical thinking is nice but i don't like the examples he uses. I only went through one video but he seems to want to make religious people look like idiots. In the age of nihilism, they certainly are. Especially people whose religion has any kind of metaphysical assertions. I don't understand, who said we're in an age of nihilism and which religions don't make any metaphysical assertions. It should be pretty evident that the current age is nihilistic at root. Take any political controversy as evidence. Buddhism doesn't make metaphysical assertions of the nature that are relevant to logic. What is reincarnation? Seriously, why can't the 2 groups not just leave each other alone? Calling each other "idiots, retards, emotionally retarded, inhumane" doesn't really do any good for either side, does it? Either side which doesn't see the degradation and extermination of its ideological opponents as good is probably going to be without value. That's nonsense. Dissent is good regardless of the truth of its claims. It is, but nobody should consider dissent from what they think positive. I said that mainly due to B... And no, they shouldn't, perhaps you think so, but that is your personal opinion and not a fact, stop stating stuff like facts.
Why shouldn't a person consider his opinions as facts? Wouldn't he be a terribly drab person, always self-contradicting?
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Definition from dictionary.com for "Metaphysical"
"Philosophy.
a.
concerned with abstract thought or subjects, as existence, causality, or truth.
b.
concerned with first principles and ultimate grounds, as being, time, or substance."
Doesn't necessarily have to deal with deities that control the universe, etc.
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The YT videos are pretty much rubbish...
And I can't understand why people still confuse faith with religion.
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On May 02 2010 10:24 Lixler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2010 10:21 Ghostcom wrote:On May 02 2010 10:12 Lixler wrote:On May 02 2010 10:09 Ghostcom wrote:On May 02 2010 10:05 Lixler wrote:On May 02 2010 10:04 Ghostcom wrote:On May 02 2010 09:53 Lixler wrote:On May 02 2010 09:40 zulu_nation8 wrote:On May 02 2010 09:35 Lixler wrote:On May 02 2010 09:33 zulu_nation8 wrote:
critical thinking is nice but i don't like the examples he uses. I only went through one video but he seems to want to make religious people look like idiots. In the age of nihilism, they certainly are. Especially people whose religion has any kind of metaphysical assertions. I don't understand, who said we're in an age of nihilism and which religions don't make any metaphysical assertions. It should be pretty evident that the current age is nihilistic at root. Take any political controversy as evidence. Buddhism doesn't make metaphysical assertions of the nature that are relevant to logic. What is reincarnation? Seriously, why can't the 2 groups not just leave each other alone? Calling each other "idiots, retards, emotionally retarded, inhumane" doesn't really do any good for either side, does it? Either side which doesn't see the degradation and extermination of its ideological opponents as good is probably going to be without value. A) That is a pretty idiotic statement. B) Science and religion aren't ideological opponents A) Why do you say that? B) You're right, but they certainly should be. On May 02 2010 10:10 Mindcrime wrote:On May 02 2010 10:05 Lixler wrote:On May 02 2010 10:04 Ghostcom wrote:On May 02 2010 09:53 Lixler wrote:On May 02 2010 09:40 zulu_nation8 wrote:On May 02 2010 09:35 Lixler wrote:On May 02 2010 09:33 zulu_nation8 wrote:
critical thinking is nice but i don't like the examples he uses. I only went through one video but he seems to want to make religious people look like idiots. In the age of nihilism, they certainly are. Especially people whose religion has any kind of metaphysical assertions. I don't understand, who said we're in an age of nihilism and which religions don't make any metaphysical assertions. It should be pretty evident that the current age is nihilistic at root. Take any political controversy as evidence. Buddhism doesn't make metaphysical assertions of the nature that are relevant to logic. What is reincarnation? Seriously, why can't the 2 groups not just leave each other alone? Calling each other "idiots, retards, emotionally retarded, inhumane" doesn't really do any good for either side, does it? Either side which doesn't see the degradation and extermination of its ideological opponents as good is probably going to be without value. That's nonsense. Dissent is good regardless of the truth of its claims. It is, but nobody should consider dissent from what they think positive. I said that mainly due to B... And no, they shouldn't, perhaps you think so, but that is your personal opinion and not a fact, stop stating stuff like facts. Why shouldn't a person consider his opinions as facts? Wouldn't he be a terribly drab person, always self-contradicting?
Because facts are something objective which a subjective thing can never become? And you just describe the best scientist 
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