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On April 29 2010 02:51 fellcrow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2010 02:50 Yurebis wrote:On April 29 2010 02:43 Severedevil wrote:On April 29 2010 02:41 Yurebis wrote:On April 29 2010 02:39 fellcrow wrote:
You making a monopoly charging ANY amount you want for your product is fine. Lets use gasoline. You own 100% of all gasoline. It costs you $1 to extract the gas, move it to where you want, cover overheads, etc. You sell your gas for $100 an ounce. You are now the only gas company making a ridiculous amount of profit selling a product for an amount ridiculously more then it is worth OR economically viable for anyone to buy. That is wrong. The american government made monopolies illegal for a reason. Corrupt people, like you, think they are right to fuck people over. why is it wrong to do whatever I want with my legally obtained property? I'm not stealing anything from you I'm not stopping anyone to do anything in their control I'm as right to do what I want with my business as you are with yours, thats free enterprise yo. There's no such thing as legally obtained property, or legality, without laws imposed by a collective... I was just speaking in colletivish but youre semi-wrong a brief example of a lawful yet individualist society individuals can set their laws in the form of contracts everytime a transaction is needed they can hire a third party to intermediate the process and make everything as simple as is it now except that you'd have a choice on whose courts are you gonna go to, and whose police station you gonna call. if a party breaks the deal, they get punished, or if the society is quite the pacifist one, then he just wouldnt be trusted anymore, be blacklisted, and then won't be able to trade w\ those who care about contractual law. no buying food or work would suck a bit for the thief. hed have to be constantly stealing, or would just have to go away. If he keeps robbing people well, by the nature of self defense, sooner or later someone would incapacitate him imo. sadly Why is there a police station? Laws for them to enforce can't be defined without a collective.
self-defense
protective services
you know there's people that hire bodyguards and private security even today right?
laws can be defined interpersonally.
I think the only problem youd run into is w\ private property
against anarcho-communist
its a very common debate
"I won't respect your claim to own yourself! nor what you make! It's all ours!"
"k"
fucking commies lol
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On April 29 2010 02:52 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Utilities in America are often localized monopolies, since it's the only effective method.
How do you know that?
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obviously a completely libertarian society can * function *
but why the fuck would we bother
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On April 29 2010 02:55 EmeraldSparks wrote:
if you can't defend yourself from government "theft" that's your incapacity and therefore it's your fault
Very good.
so you see no difference between creating something, and taking away that which was made by others?
it's all human action and might makes right?
thats swell, but I want to make sure
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On April 29 2010 03:00 EmeraldSparks wrote:
obviously a completely libertarian society can * function *
but why the fuck would we bother
not paying taxes would be a huge benefit imo
but it's for each to decide, right.
do we keep stealing from everyone or
cut the bullshit?
latter pls.
edit: god I hate saying "we"
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On April 29 2010 03:01 Yurebis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2010 02:55 EmeraldSparks wrote:
if you can't defend yourself from government "theft" that's your incapacity and therefore it's your fault Very good. so you see no difference between creating something, and taking away that which was made by others? it's all human action and might makes right? thats swell, but I want to make sure
no on both counts
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On April 29 2010 03:02 Yurebis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2010 03:00 EmeraldSparks wrote:
obviously a completely libertarian society can * function *
but why the fuck would we bother not paying taxes would be a huge benefit imo but it's for each to decide, right. do we keep stealing from everyone or cut the bullshit? latter pls.
we keep stealing from everyone because societies without taxes are retarded
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On April 29 2010 03:03 EmeraldSparks wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2010 03:01 Yurebis wrote:On April 29 2010 02:55 EmeraldSparks wrote:
if you can't defend yourself from government "theft" that's your incapacity and therefore it's your fault Very good. so you see no difference between creating something, and taking away that which was made by others? it's all human action and might makes right? thats swell, but I want to make sure no on both counts
then you see the difference between "I claim to own that which I created"
and "I claim to own that which you created" ("and I act on that predictment too, np")
government constantly applies the latter
which I find repugnant. do you not?
edit: well the first one acts on it too I guess.
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On April 29 2010 03:03 EmeraldSparks wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2010 03:02 Yurebis wrote:On April 29 2010 03:00 EmeraldSparks wrote:
obviously a completely libertarian society can * function *
but why the fuck would we bother not paying taxes would be a huge benefit imo but it's for each to decide, right. do we keep stealing from everyone or cut the bullshit? latter pls. we keep stealing from everyone because societies without taxes are retarded
thought experiment time.
would you a thousand years ago say "societies without slavery are retarded"?
think.
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On April 29 2010 03:06 Yurebis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2010 03:03 EmeraldSparks wrote:On April 29 2010 03:01 Yurebis wrote:On April 29 2010 02:55 EmeraldSparks wrote:
if you can't defend yourself from government "theft" that's your incapacity and therefore it's your fault Very good. so you see no difference between creating something, and taking away that which was made by others? it's all human action and might makes right? thats swell, but I want to make sure no on both counts then you see the difference between "I claim to own that which I created" and "I claim to own that which you created" ("and I act on that predictment too, np") government constantly applies the latter which I find repugnant. do you not?
unjustified assumption: all salaries and other forms of wages are entirely self-created
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On April 29 2010 03:06 Yurebis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2010 03:03 EmeraldSparks wrote:On April 29 2010 03:02 Yurebis wrote:On April 29 2010 03:00 EmeraldSparks wrote:
obviously a completely libertarian society can * function *
but why the fuck would we bother not paying taxes would be a huge benefit imo but it's for each to decide, right. do we keep stealing from everyone or cut the bullshit? latter pls. we keep stealing from everyone because societies without taxes are retarded thought experiment time. would you a thousand years ago say "societies without slavery are retarded"? think.
no, because taxation isn't slavery
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On April 29 2010 03:07 EmeraldSparks wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2010 03:06 Yurebis wrote:On April 29 2010 03:03 EmeraldSparks wrote:On April 29 2010 03:01 Yurebis wrote:On April 29 2010 02:55 EmeraldSparks wrote:
if you can't defend yourself from government "theft" that's your incapacity and therefore it's your fault Very good. so you see no difference between creating something, and taking away that which was made by others? it's all human action and might makes right? thats swell, but I want to make sure no on both counts then you see the difference between "I claim to own that which I created" and "I claim to own that which you created" ("and I act on that predictment too, np") government constantly applies the latter which I find repugnant. do you not? unjustified assumption: all salaries and other forms of wages are entirely self-created
if you want me to try to justify the first I could give you the whole course on natural rights and all that crap
but it's going to be arbitrary anyways, so
it comes down to either you accept it or you don't
do you respect private property or not?
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On April 29 2010 03:09 Yurebis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2010 03:07 EmeraldSparks wrote:On April 29 2010 03:06 Yurebis wrote:On April 29 2010 03:03 EmeraldSparks wrote:On April 29 2010 03:01 Yurebis wrote:On April 29 2010 02:55 EmeraldSparks wrote:
if you can't defend yourself from government "theft" that's your incapacity and therefore it's your fault Very good. so you see no difference between creating something, and taking away that which was made by others? it's all human action and might makes right? thats swell, but I want to make sure no on both counts then you see the difference between "I claim to own that which I created" and "I claim to own that which you created" ("and I act on that predictment too, np") government constantly applies the latter which I find repugnant. do you not? unjustified assumption: all salaries and other forms of wages are entirely self-created if you want me to try to justify the first I could give you the whole course on natural rights and all that crap but it's going to be arbitrary anyways, so it comes down to either you accept it or you don't do you respect private property or not?
it's a generally good idea but the supremacy of property rights above all is not absolute
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On April 29 2010 03:07 EmeraldSparks wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2010 03:06 Yurebis wrote:On April 29 2010 03:03 EmeraldSparks wrote:On April 29 2010 03:02 Yurebis wrote:On April 29 2010 03:00 EmeraldSparks wrote:
obviously a completely libertarian society can * function *
but why the fuck would we bother not paying taxes would be a huge benefit imo but it's for each to decide, right. do we keep stealing from everyone or cut the bullshit? latter pls. we keep stealing from everyone because societies without taxes are retarded thought experiment time. would you a thousand years ago say "societies without slavery are retarded"? think. no, because taxation isn't slavery
I see, so you would say "slavery isn't barbarianism, they still let you live and don't rape your wife"
haha
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On April 29 2010 03:11 Yurebis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2010 03:07 EmeraldSparks wrote:On April 29 2010 03:06 Yurebis wrote:On April 29 2010 03:03 EmeraldSparks wrote:On April 29 2010 03:02 Yurebis wrote:On April 29 2010 03:00 EmeraldSparks wrote:
obviously a completely libertarian society can * function *
but why the fuck would we bother not paying taxes would be a huge benefit imo but it's for each to decide, right. do we keep stealing from everyone or cut the bullshit? latter pls. we keep stealing from everyone because societies without taxes are retarded thought experiment time. would you a thousand years ago say "societies without slavery are retarded"? think. no, because taxation isn't slavery I see, so you would say "slavery isn't barbarianism, they still let you live and don't rape your wife" haha
no if you and your wife are slaves they will actually rape your wife and you can't do anything about it
comparing the statement "taxation is fine" to "slavery is fine" is retarded come off it
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On April 29 2010 03:10 EmeraldSparks wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2010 03:09 Yurebis wrote:On April 29 2010 03:07 EmeraldSparks wrote:On April 29 2010 03:06 Yurebis wrote:On April 29 2010 03:03 EmeraldSparks wrote:On April 29 2010 03:01 Yurebis wrote:On April 29 2010 02:55 EmeraldSparks wrote:
if you can't defend yourself from government "theft" that's your incapacity and therefore it's your fault Very good. so you see no difference between creating something, and taking away that which was made by others? it's all human action and might makes right? thats swell, but I want to make sure no on both counts then you see the difference between "I claim to own that which I created" and "I claim to own that which you created" ("and I act on that predictment too, np") government constantly applies the latter which I find repugnant. do you not? unjustified assumption: all salaries and other forms of wages are entirely self-created if you want me to try to justify the first I could give you the whole course on natural rights and all that crap but it's going to be arbitrary anyways, so it comes down to either you accept it or you don't do you respect private property or not? it's a generally good idea but the supremacy of property rights above all is not absolute
I didn't say it was
so then
you would respect my claim that "I own that which I create"
and would not respect the thief's claim that "I own that which I can grab from others fuck yeah"?
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On April 29 2010 03:11 Yurebis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2010 03:07 EmeraldSparks wrote:On April 29 2010 03:06 Yurebis wrote:On April 29 2010 03:03 EmeraldSparks wrote:On April 29 2010 03:02 Yurebis wrote:On April 29 2010 03:00 EmeraldSparks wrote:
obviously a completely libertarian society can * function *
but why the fuck would we bother not paying taxes would be a huge benefit imo but it's for each to decide, right. do we keep stealing from everyone or cut the bullshit? latter pls. we keep stealing from everyone because societies without taxes are retarded thought experiment time. would you a thousand years ago say "societies without slavery are retarded"? think. no, because taxation isn't slavery I see, so you would say "slavery isn't barbarianism, they still let you live and don't rape your wife" haha
Slavery (also called thralldom) is a form of forced labour in which people are considered to be the property of others. Slaves can be held against their will from the time of their capture, purchase or birth, and deprived of the right to leave, to refuse to work, or to demand wages. In some societies it was legal for an owner to kill a slave; in others it was a crime.[1]
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How is taxation slavery? Yurebis, you need to be consistent. If you talk about rights and stealing you obviously believe in a government. What kind of government? On every argument you set up a new scenario that best fits your argument. This is why debates are done in person and not over text. You are manipulating everything. Debates are forums are fail.
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On April 29 2010 03:12 EmeraldSparks wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2010 03:11 Yurebis wrote:On April 29 2010 03:07 EmeraldSparks wrote:On April 29 2010 03:06 Yurebis wrote:On April 29 2010 03:03 EmeraldSparks wrote:On April 29 2010 03:02 Yurebis wrote:On April 29 2010 03:00 EmeraldSparks wrote:
obviously a completely libertarian society can * function *
but why the fuck would we bother not paying taxes would be a huge benefit imo but it's for each to decide, right. do we keep stealing from everyone or cut the bullshit? latter pls. we keep stealing from everyone because societies without taxes are retarded thought experiment time. would you a thousand years ago say "societies without slavery are retarded"? think. no, because taxation isn't slavery I see, so you would say "slavery isn't barbarianism, they still let you live and don't rape your wife" haha no if you and your wife are slaves they will actually rape your wife and you can't do anything about it comparing the statement "taxation is fine" to "slavery is fine" is retarded come off it
it's not retarded, it's different degrees of aggression
and yeah I guess they'd rape your wife in both cases.
in slavery, the master claims control over 100% of your assets and your body
in democracy, the state elected by your neighbors claim control over.. idk, 40% of your assets.
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