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On April 29 2010 02:23 uiCk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2010 02:08 Yurebis wrote:
Monopoly. what's the crime about monopoly? Has monopoly gotten out from under your bed and spanked you?
What is bad about a monopoly that whenever that word gets thrown around people shiver in fear?
I don't get it.
If a monopoly is being abusive on its prices, then open your own goddamn company and undercut them. You don't think there's people looking for a profit? Don't you understand that's exactly how the economy works? It's people overbidding and undercutting that creates the equilibrium of supply and demand. If a monopoly ever arises non-violently, it's because he has succeeded in being a hell more efficient than anyone else. Why the fuck would it throw its name and brand away by taking people "hostage" (oh noes, he has raised the price on the products he's voluntarily produce! what an outrage!), he would only lose profit then and risk being undercut. You know how he can avoid that however? He can ask papa government to make a bunch of regulations so other entrepreneurs can't come in and invest to undercut, or even mandate that prices be fixed "so that the consumer is protected". Bullshit. Whenever you see government "protecting" the consumer, be 100% sure, it's the opposite. They have no incentive to "protect", and even if they did, it would be by doing absolutely nothing. When a price ceiling is set, every time, it affects the equilibrium price, else it would be pointless. Same deal with a price floor. It's government fixing the prices so there can't be innovation and the now REAL monopoly can be laid back and not have it's margins undercut.
tl;dr;
-monopoly is not violence as it's not forcing anyone to do anything
-unless it has the government to do that job for them
-then it's obviously bad since it's violent
-but it can only be done w\ the state
whenever you hear about the government breaking monopolies, be sure it's the government creating a monopoly (cuz that's what they do, duh)
and whenever you hear about privatization, be very very skeptic about the government's ability on lay off their hands over anything (can't do that, nuh-uh)
. LOLOLOLOLZ did you know guys, monopolies are super awsome! LOLZ . so much epic lulz in your desperate 48h of writting nonsense on TL (have you slept yet?) GLENN BECK IZ THIZ YOU? lols
Yeah son that's me
sup
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On April 29 2010 02:24 Yurebis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2010 02:23 uiCk wrote:On April 29 2010 02:08 Yurebis wrote:
Monopoly. what's the crime about monopoly? Has monopoly gotten out from under your bed and spanked you?
What is bad about a monopoly that whenever that word gets thrown around people shiver in fear?
I don't get it.
If a monopoly is being abusive on its prices, then open your own goddamn company and undercut them. You don't think there's people looking for a profit? Don't you understand that's exactly how the economy works? It's people overbidding and undercutting that creates the equilibrium of supply and demand. If a monopoly ever arises non-violently, it's because he has succeeded in being a hell more efficient than anyone else. Why the fuck would it throw its name and brand away by taking people "hostage" (oh noes, he has raised the price on the products he's voluntarily produce! what an outrage!), he would only lose profit then and risk being undercut. You know how he can avoid that however? He can ask papa government to make a bunch of regulations so other entrepreneurs can't come in and invest to undercut, or even mandate that prices be fixed "so that the consumer is protected". Bullshit. Whenever you see government "protecting" the consumer, be 100% sure, it's the opposite. They have no incentive to "protect", and even if they did, it would be by doing absolutely nothing. When a price ceiling is set, every time, it affects the equilibrium price, else it would be pointless. Same deal with a price floor. It's government fixing the prices so there can't be innovation and the now REAL monopoly can be laid back and not have it's margins undercut.
tl;dr;
-monopoly is not violence as it's not forcing anyone to do anything
-unless it has the government to do that job for them
-then it's obviously bad since it's violent
-but it can only be done w\ the state
whenever you hear about the government breaking monopolies, be sure it's the government creating a monopoly (cuz that's what they do, duh)
and whenever you hear about privatization, be very very skeptic about the government's ability on lay off their hands over anything (can't do that, nuh-uh)
. LOLOLOLOLZ did you know guys, monopolies are super awsome! LOLZ . so much epic lulz in your desperate 48h of writting nonsense on TL (have you slept yet?) GLENN BECK IZ THIZ YOU? lols Yeah son that's me sup
your the first guy i meat thats pro monopolies LOLZ
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On April 29 2010 02:26 uiCk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2010 02:24 Yurebis wrote:On April 29 2010 02:23 uiCk wrote:On April 29 2010 02:08 Yurebis wrote:
Monopoly. what's the crime about monopoly? Has monopoly gotten out from under your bed and spanked you?
What is bad about a monopoly that whenever that word gets thrown around people shiver in fear?
I don't get it.
If a monopoly is being abusive on its prices, then open your own goddamn company and undercut them. You don't think there's people looking for a profit? Don't you understand that's exactly how the economy works? It's people overbidding and undercutting that creates the equilibrium of supply and demand. If a monopoly ever arises non-violently, it's because he has succeeded in being a hell more efficient than anyone else. Why the fuck would it throw its name and brand away by taking people "hostage" (oh noes, he has raised the price on the products he's voluntarily produce! what an outrage!), he would only lose profit then and risk being undercut. You know how he can avoid that however? He can ask papa government to make a bunch of regulations so other entrepreneurs can't come in and invest to undercut, or even mandate that prices be fixed "so that the consumer is protected". Bullshit. Whenever you see government "protecting" the consumer, be 100% sure, it's the opposite. They have no incentive to "protect", and even if they did, it would be by doing absolutely nothing. When a price ceiling is set, every time, it affects the equilibrium price, else it would be pointless. Same deal with a price floor. It's government fixing the prices so there can't be innovation and the now REAL monopoly can be laid back and not have it's margins undercut.
tl;dr;
-monopoly is not violence as it's not forcing anyone to do anything
-unless it has the government to do that job for them
-then it's obviously bad since it's violent
-but it can only be done w\ the state
whenever you hear about the government breaking monopolies, be sure it's the government creating a monopoly (cuz that's what they do, duh)
and whenever you hear about privatization, be very very skeptic about the government's ability on lay off their hands over anything (can't do that, nuh-uh)
. LOLOLOLOLZ did you know guys, monopolies are super awsome! LOLZ . so much epic lulz in your desperate 48h of writting nonsense on TL (have you slept yet?) GLENN BECK IZ THIZ YOU? lols Yeah son that's me sup your the first guy i meat thats pro monopolies LOLZ
Yeah. very unusual since I was taught they're bad in school also.
also corrected the last premise. a monopoly could be violent w\o a state, who am I to say it can't.
point being, nothing wrong with providing a service and nothing more.
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picture this monopoly
I invent an awesome product that also only I can make.
Therefore, being the sole supplier, I'm a monopolist of it
I'm selling it for one million dollars.
Is that a crime?
Am I holding people hostage by offering something?
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Monopolies are ridiculous. They stop the free enterprise, capitalist, system that the US government has. Monopolies rightfully shouldn't be allowed.
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i dont care about monopolies; obviously you just need to talk , about anything.
you dont even realize what my criticism is -.-
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On April 29 2010 02:33 fellcrow wrote:
Monopolies are ridiculous. They stop the free enterprise, capitalist, system that the US government has. Monopolies rightfully shouldn't be allowed.
how does a company offering a service stops others from doing things
give me any hypothetical
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On April 29 2010 02:34 uiCk wrote:
i dont care about monopolies; obviously you just need to talk , about anything.
you dont even realize what my criticism is -.-
you say I'm wasting too much time on the internet?
k
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You making a monopoly charging ANY amount you want for your product is fine. Lets use gasoline. You own 100% of all gasoline. It costs you $1 to extract the gas, move it to where you want, cover overheads, etc. You sell your gas for $100 an ounce. You are now the only gas company making a ridiculous amount of profit selling a product for an amount ridiculously more then it is worth OR economically viable for anyone to buy. That is wrong. The american government made monopolies illegal for a reason. Corrupt people, like you, think they are right to fuck people over.
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On April 29 2010 02:39 fellcrow wrote:
You making a monopoly charging ANY amount you want for your product is fine. Lets use gasoline. You own 100% of all gasoline. It costs you $1 to extract the gas, move it to where you want, cover overheads, etc. You sell your gas for $100 an ounce. You are now the only gas company making a ridiculous amount of profit selling a product for an amount ridiculously more then it is worth OR economically viable for anyone to buy. That is wrong. The american government made monopolies illegal for a reason. Corrupt people, like you, think they are right to fuck people over.
why is it wrong to do whatever I want with my legally obtained property?
I'm not stealing anything from you
I'm not stopping anyone to do anything in their control
I'm as right to do what I want with my business as you are with yours, thats free enterprise yo.
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No. I LOST my ability to compete with you because you will buy me out if i ever tried to join it. Part of the free enterprise, capital, system is that i have the ABILITY to do something if i so wish. I lost my ability when you made a monopoly.
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On April 29 2010 02:41 Yurebis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2010 02:39 fellcrow wrote:
You making a monopoly charging ANY amount you want for your product is fine. Lets use gasoline. You own 100% of all gasoline. It costs you $1 to extract the gas, move it to where you want, cover overheads, etc. You sell your gas for $100 an ounce. You are now the only gas company making a ridiculous amount of profit selling a product for an amount ridiculously more then it is worth OR economically viable for anyone to buy. That is wrong. The american government made monopolies illegal for a reason. Corrupt people, like you, think they are right to fuck people over. why is it wrong to do whatever I want with my legally obtained property? I'm not stealing anything from you I'm not stopping anyone to do anything in their control I'm as right to do what I want with my business as you are with yours, thats free enterprise yo.
There's no such thing as legally obtained property, or legality, without laws imposed by a collective...
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On April 29 2010 02:08 Gnaix wrote:
a group of marines is a hell lot better than the sum of each individual marine
still just marines
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On April 29 2010 02:43 fellcrow wrote:
No. I LOST my ability to compete with you because you will buy me out if i ever tried to join it. Part of the free enterprise, capital, system is that i have the ABILITY to do something if i so wish. I lost my ability when you made a monopoly.
do you feel entitled to compete with me?
do you feel entitled to my gasoline?
that would be you wanting to steal my shit, would it not?
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The enterprise system I am LEGALLY allowed and should have the ability to fight with you. In a free enterprise system it is not stealing .THAT is why a monopoly is illegal. Ok go be a communist. Monopolies are not illegal there. But there is areason why they ARE illegal in free enterprise.
The better question is why kind of a market are you talking about a monopoly in. You live in china and wanna have a monopoly. Go ahead. You're basically the government. But in America, monoplies are illegal, and if you can't see why they are illegal, then you are ignorant.
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On April 29 2010 02:43 Severedevil wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2010 02:41 Yurebis wrote:On April 29 2010 02:39 fellcrow wrote:
You making a monopoly charging ANY amount you want for your product is fine. Lets use gasoline. You own 100% of all gasoline. It costs you $1 to extract the gas, move it to where you want, cover overheads, etc. You sell your gas for $100 an ounce. You are now the only gas company making a ridiculous amount of profit selling a product for an amount ridiculously more then it is worth OR economically viable for anyone to buy. That is wrong. The american government made monopolies illegal for a reason. Corrupt people, like you, think they are right to fuck people over. why is it wrong to do whatever I want with my legally obtained property? I'm not stealing anything from you I'm not stopping anyone to do anything in their control I'm as right to do what I want with my business as you are with yours, thats free enterprise yo. There's no such thing as legally obtained property, or legality, without laws imposed by a collective...
I was just speaking in colletivish but youre semi-wrong
a brief example of a lawful yet individualist society
individuals can set their laws in the form of contracts everytime a transaction is needed
they can hire a third party to intermediate the process and make everything as simple as is it now except that you'd have a choice on whose courts are you gonna go to, and whose police station you gonna call.
if a party breaks the deal, they get punished, or if the society is quite the pacifist one, then he just wouldnt be trusted anymore, be blacklisted, and then won't be able to trade w\ those who care about contractual law.
no buying food or work would suck a bit for the thief. hed have to be constantly stealing, or would just have to go away. If he keeps robbing people well, by the nature of self defense, sooner or later someone would incapacitate him imo. sadly
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On April 29 2010 02:50 Yurebis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2010 02:43 Severedevil wrote:On April 29 2010 02:41 Yurebis wrote:On April 29 2010 02:39 fellcrow wrote:
You making a monopoly charging ANY amount you want for your product is fine. Lets use gasoline. You own 100% of all gasoline. It costs you $1 to extract the gas, move it to where you want, cover overheads, etc. You sell your gas for $100 an ounce. You are now the only gas company making a ridiculous amount of profit selling a product for an amount ridiculously more then it is worth OR economically viable for anyone to buy. That is wrong. The american government made monopolies illegal for a reason. Corrupt people, like you, think they are right to fuck people over. why is it wrong to do whatever I want with my legally obtained property? I'm not stealing anything from you I'm not stopping anyone to do anything in their control I'm as right to do what I want with my business as you are with yours, thats free enterprise yo. There's no such thing as legally obtained property, or legality, without laws imposed by a collective... I was just speaking in colletivish but youre semi-wrong a brief example of a lawful yet individualist society individuals can set their laws in the form of contracts everytime a transaction is needed they can hire a third party to intermediate the process and make everything as simple as is it now except that you'd have a choice on whose courts are you gonna go to, and whose police station you gonna call. if a party breaks the deal, they get punished, or if the society is quite the pacifist one, then he just wouldnt be trusted anymore, be blacklisted, and then won't be able to trade w\ those who care about contractual law. no buying food or work would suck a bit for the thief. hed have to be constantly stealing, or would just have to go away. If he keeps robbing people well, by the nature of self defense, sooner or later someone would incapacitate him imo. sadly
Why is there a police station? Laws for them to enforce can't be defined without a collective.
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Utilities in America are often localized monopolies, since it's the only effective method.
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On April 29 2010 02:48 fellcrow wrote:
The enterprise system I am LEGALLY allowed and should have the ability to fight with you. In a free enterprise system it is not stealing .THAT is why a monopoly is illegal. Ok go be a communist. Monopolies are not illegal there. But there is areason why they ARE illegal in free enterprise.
The better question is why kind of a market are you talking about a monopoly in. You live in china and wanna have a monopoly. Go ahead. You're basically the government. But in America, monoplies are illegal, and if you can't see why they are illegal, then you are ignorant.
what?
so I'm forced to give you my gasoline by the state because you can't buy it?
are the sellers of luxury cars forced to give cars away to people for free too, so they can in turn compete w\ them?
and thats not stealing? you're stealing my shit, literally, only because you feel entitled to compete with me. Dude, if you can't compete, that's your own incapacity. Not my fault.
The government *is* the monopoly of many things in america, legal services, roads, police, army, you say it. so obv you got something wrong there.
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if you can't defend yourself from government "theft" that's your incapacity and therefore it's your fault
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