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Schnake
Profile Joined September 2003
Germany2819 Posts
March 04 2010 23:33 GMT
#181
Opera doesn't have anything to offer. At least on my laptop it isn't faster nor taking up less ram than Chrome, so I am sticking with Chrome. I really like the reduced layout of Chrome and it fits my browsing habits perfectly although the functionality of FF is unparalleled.
"Alán Shore" and "August Terran" @ LoL EUW - liquidparty
MamiyaOtaru
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1687 Posts
March 05 2010 01:17 GMT
#182
opera 10.5 is making me edit my skin D: It's a horrible PITA to keep a skin up to date if it does things at all different from the default. 10.5 is nice though. Things keep getting better since Opera 4 (when I first used it)
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11554 Posts
March 05 2010 01:28 GMT
#183
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/firefox-chrome-opera,2558-10.html

Here'a Tom's Hardware comparison of the browsers!
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3685 Posts
March 05 2010 01:41 GMT
#184
On March 05 2010 07:51 cabarkapa wrote:
People who play starcraft can't accurately hit the right tabs easily?


Quoted for emphasis. Everyone who is complaining about misclicking on the two pixels above the huge tab needs to learn some mouse skills. The border just makes it look nice.

Has anyone noticed how cool the new ctrl+f find is? I really like how it searches the page and highlights the words.
MamiyaOtaru
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1687 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-05 01:51:46
March 05 2010 01:50 GMT
#185
On March 05 2010 10:41 Durak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2010 07:51 cabarkapa wrote:
People who play starcraft can't accurately hit the right tabs easily?


Quoted for emphasis. Everyone who is complaining about misclicking on the two pixels above the huge tab needs to learn some mouse skills. The border just makes it look nice.

Has anyone noticed how cool the new ctrl+f find is? I really like how it searches the page and highlights the words.

It's not that the tabs are two pixels smaller than they could be. They are infinitely smaller than they *could* be (vertically anyway. And not literally, but in terms of ease of clicking). If they were at the top of the screen you could throw your mouse to the top at whatever speed you felt like and hit a tab without worrying about flying past them. Fitts Law and all that.

They could fix it without changing the visuals though. In XP or Vista or 7, use classic visual style (the boring grey style) Not forever, just for demo The taskbar buttons have a space between them and the bottom of the screen. You can still click the button by clicking in that space. You couldn't in win98. It is much better to be able to. They made that change without changing the visuals; I'm sure Opera could do the same by messing with how the top part of the tabs look (have them extend higher than they appear to).
unknown.sam
Profile Joined May 2007
Philippines2701 Posts
March 05 2010 02:01 GMT
#186
after a few days of using 10.5 i am convinced that this is the fastest version of opera to date.
"Thanks for the kind words, but if SS is the most interesting book you've ever read, you must have just started reading a couple of weeks ago." - Mark Rippetoe
Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3685 Posts
March 05 2010 02:06 GMT
#187
On March 05 2010 10:50 MamiyaOtaru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2010 10:41 Durak wrote:
On March 05 2010 07:51 cabarkapa wrote:
People who play starcraft can't accurately hit the right tabs easily?


Quoted for emphasis. Everyone who is complaining about misclicking on the two pixels above the huge tab needs to learn some mouse skills. The border just makes it look nice.

Has anyone noticed how cool the new ctrl+f find is? I really like how it searches the page and highlights the words.

It's not that the tabs are two pixels smaller than they could be. They are infinitely smaller than they *could* be (vertically anyway. And not literally, but in terms of ease of clicking). If they were at the top of the screen you could throw your mouse to the top at whatever speed you felt like and hit a tab without worrying about flying past them. Fitts Law and all that.

They could fix it without changing the visuals though. In XP or Vista or 7, use classic visual style (the boring grey style) Not forever, just for demo The taskbar buttons have a space between them and the bottom of the screen. You can still click the button by clicking in that space. You couldn't in win98. It is much better to be able to. They made that change without changing the visuals; I'm sure Opera could do the same by messing with how the top part of the tabs look (have them extend higher than they appear to).


You're probably right. However, I have yet to miss it. I don't think it would be any faster or easier if I could just "throw" my mouse to the top of the screen. I think the problem is that people aren't very accurate with their mouse clicks and want a safety net.
251
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1401 Posts
March 05 2010 03:30 GMT
#188
thanks for recommending this. I've been trying to ween myself off of Chrome and Firefox is just too damn slow. This browser is like the best of chrome speed + all the great features of your standard Opera. Bravo!
"If you can chill..........then chill."
cwbera
Profile Joined November 2009
United States17 Posts
March 05 2010 03:47 GMT
#189
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/firefox-chrome-opera,2558.html

Toms hardware tests all the popular browsers, IE8, Firefox, Chrome, Safari, and Opera in their crazy toms hardware fashion (tedious and meticulous and scientifically)

Winner:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


this review was pretty informative.... the conclusion is a great read as well if you dont want the rest of it

with a nice fanboy flame-shield:
+ Show Spoiler +
These benchmarks give us a pretty good picture of which browser is the fastest. What these benchmarks do not reveal is the usability (or overall end-user experience) of these browsers. The staggering number of customization options available for Firefox, or the almost constant (and insufferably bothersome) prompting in Internet Explorer are just two examples of what cannot be benchmarked. Security is also a major concern, and something that was not tested for this article. We focused purely on speed and performance, and in those fields, Google Chrome takes the gold...at least in this round of the raging browser wars.
KingKRule
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States84 Posts
March 05 2010 04:08 GMT
#190
Opera aint as fast as Chrome. Sorry guys, move along, nothing to see.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17552 Posts
March 05 2010 05:56 GMT
#191
On March 05 2010 13:08 KingKRule wrote:
Opera aint as fast as Chrome. Sorry guys, move along, nothing to see.



Memory Usage
Firefox
Page Load Times
Firefox


Suck it Chrome.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
hixhix
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
1156 Posts
March 05 2010 06:12 GMT
#192
Though the article sounds very technical, I refuse to believe ff is the winner of memory usage. The reason I stopped using ff is because everytime I have 5+ tabs, it uses all the memory available and force me to kill the firefox.exe process and I believe it had serve memory leak issue. It was ff 1x-2.x though, not sure about the recent versions but I still hear people complaining about ff memory usage.

I switched from opera to ff 1 since opera interface design was too much for my small monitor. Once I bought a widescreen, I went back to opera and live happily since then. Now, opera UI is more compact and it becomes ultimately better.
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
March 05 2010 06:17 GMT
#193
The Java part is true, I rather use chrome for that instead of FF.
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17552 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-05 06:39:36
March 05 2010 06:37 GMT
#194
On March 05 2010 15:12 hixhix wrote:
Though the article sounds very technical, I refuse to believe ff is the winner of memory usage. The reason I stopped using ff is because everytime I have 5+ tabs, it uses all the memory available and force me to kill the firefox.exe process and I believe it had serve memory leak issue. It was ff 1x-2.x though, not sure about the recent versions but I still hear people complaining about ff memory usage.

I switched from opera to ff 1 since opera interface design was too much for my small monitor. Once I bought a widescreen, I went back to opera and live happily since then. Now, opera UI is more compact and it becomes ultimately better.


Dude... FF 1.x-2.x is nothing like 3.5.x-3.6.x
FF has gone a really long way sine then and improved massively on all fields. And memory usage becomes an issue only if you have bazillion add-ons. What is nice in FF though, is that they tend to incorporate some of the features previously done by add-ons into the browser which significantly reduces the load.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5282 Posts
March 05 2010 07:55 GMT
#195
On March 05 2010 10:41 Durak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2010 07:51 cabarkapa wrote:
People who play starcraft can't accurately hit the right tabs easily?


Quoted for emphasis. Everyone who is complaining about misclicking on the two pixels above the huge tab needs to learn some mouse skills. The border just makes it look nice.

Has anyone noticed how cool the new ctrl+f find is? I really like how it searches the page and highlights the words.

See, you're clearly not a chrome user, because if you were, you'd understand.

Of course I can hit my tabs correctly if I pay enough attention to it. But enough means too much sometimes. I really don't wanna think about hitting the tabs correctly and avoiding the annoying 2 pixels. I just move my mouse the fuck up without paying 0.1% thought/hand sensitivity to it and hit the tab every time.

Everyone has their own relative standards, those are some of mine.
Katkishka
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States657 Posts
March 05 2010 08:11 GMT
#196
I don't have any trouble clicking tabs. I don't need to focus on it or anything, just glance out of the corner of my eye to click them. I rarely have misclick issues. I guess what I'm saying is 'you get used to it'
exp
Profile Joined December 2008
New Zealand91 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-05 21:36:06
March 05 2010 21:35 GMT
#197
I use this skin which makes tabs clickable at the top of the window:
http://my.opera.com/community/customize/skins/info/?id=9101
Catyoul *
Profile Joined April 2004
France2377 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-05 22:54:42
March 05 2010 22:53 GMT
#198
On March 05 2010 12:47 cwbera wrote:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/firefox-chrome-opera,2558.html

Toms hardware tests all the popular browsers, IE8, Firefox, Chrome, Safari, and Opera in their crazy toms hardware fashion (tedious and meticulous and scientifically)

Winner:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


this review was pretty informative.... the conclusion is a great read as well if you dont want the rest of it

with a nice fanboy flame-shield:
+ Show Spoiler +
These benchmarks give us a pretty good picture of which browser is the fastest. What these benchmarks do not reveal is the usability (or overall end-user experience) of these browsers. The staggering number of customization options available for Firefox, or the almost constant (and insufferably bothersome) prompting in Internet Explorer are just two examples of what cannot be benchmarked. Security is also a major concern, and something that was not tested for this article. We focused purely on speed and performance, and in those fields, Google Chrome takes the gold...at least in this round of the raging browser wars.

The only reasonable conclusion to extract from their tests is that Opera and Chrome are closely tied for first place, and their methodology doesn't have the precision to (seriously) tell them apart. Safari seems to be a clear 3rd, Firefox a clear 4th and IE a clear last. Concluding that Chrome beats Opera from that is a mistake that would get destroyed in a scientific review, the results are really too close for the precision of their methodology.

Also, they somewhat arbitrarily put Opera and Safari as 2nd and not tied for 1st with Chrome on the Acid3 test. It's perfectly smooth on my (slower) computer, so I see no reason why. That would actually give Opera the win according to their conclusion methods, although I feel it's still a tie anyway.

They mostly didn't put a weight on the effective results of each test, but just 1st/2nd/3rd/4th/5th, which is also very dubious. And they implicitly assumed every one of their tests should have the same weight as well.

Last but not least, their memory usage test is laughable. Browsers tend to stay open for a long time (and if it's not the case for you, memory usage is likely not a factor at all). Redo exactly the same tests after having let the browsers sit for 12 hours and be amazed at the results.
Neivler
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Norway911 Posts
March 06 2010 00:05 GMT
#199
Google tracks enough of your internett habits. No need to give them complete sight of your life. That is reason enough to not use Chrome, and Opera beats the other browsers with ezz.
I pwn noobs
Schnake
Profile Joined September 2003
Germany2819 Posts
March 06 2010 00:28 GMT
#200
This always seems to be a religious discussion where made up minds won't be changed even by facts.
"Alán Shore" and "August Terran" @ LoL EUW - liquidparty
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