Opera 10.5 was just released. And as a fan of Opera I definitely recommend this browser if you are looking for something light, and yet will run most of the things you actually need. FF maybe a much better browser in terms of addons and control and what not, but Opera is definitely the more stable and more stable out of the box package. + Opera takes up way less ram, so I dont have to wake up in the morning to see 1000 MB RAM usage from FF which kills my 2 GB RAM laptops. Nor do I have to rage everytime FF crashes with 20 youtube windows on capped inet.
Opera 10.5 is extremely fast and starts up pages really quickly, even faster than chrome, it's stable, takes up less RAM once you get a billion tabs, and I was pretty satisfied with the 2nd Beta build which was pretty good. The browser itself has a functional inside browser IRC/email client and much more. Its only flaw is the lack of addons, however, if you are willing to sacrifice your esoteric add ons and flexibility for a more stable and faster browser, especially when dealing with flash, its worth a shot.
It has great windows 7 compatibility I hear too, so people with windows 7 should give it a shot
I've always had a soft spot for Opera, so I'll give it a try. While I don't see myself switching from the Chrome-Firefox combo any time soon, Opera could be a good solution for my home computer since Chrome's control on cache size and location is a pain to handle.
That said, half of the fancy clients Opera has integrated like torrent and IRC really never sees use, I'd like them to just do away with that and try to add more functionality and speed on the browser front.
Stealing is part of the business and makes everyone happy. This article is from 2009 and doesnt even mention Opera Unite which I think is unique to Opera + it innovated the built in search field . Its a shame that the Opera community is relatively small so an add on community cannot be implemented effectively.
That is actually meant to be a compliment, like I mentioned in my first post, I've always had a soft spot for Opera, which I had used more consistently than I had FF for the longest time. One of the main things that had me going for Chrome over Opera 10.1 was the simple and clean interface that Chrome had, so to see Opera adapt such a visual outlook is pretty awesome. That doesn't change the fact that both Opera and FF just ripped off that look after Chrome proved to be popular though.
On March 03 2010 01:38 Ecael wrote: That is actually meant to be a compliment, like I mentioned in my first post, I've always had a soft spot for Opera, which I had used more consistently than I had FF for the longest time. One of the main things that had me going for Chrome over Opera 10.1 was the simple and clean interface that Chrome had, so to see Opera adapt such a visual outlook is pretty awesome. That doesn't change the fact that both Opera and FF just ripped off that look after Chrome proved to be popular though.
Heh I took that as an insult because some of the opera fans have been complaining about it on Reddit. I have never been too big a fan of a large menu which simply takes up a whole lot of space, so its definitely a good step in the right direction. Cant wait for FF 3.7 though, I hope they fix their speed/ram issues.
using opera since quite some time now since FF took way too much ram i really like the overlay and the functions and will probably never use another browser again
Woo 10.5. Been waiting for this for a while. Unfortunately opera missed the deadline for the browser choice thing, but with their awesome new JS and rendering engine, they're so far ahead of he pack in terms of performance. Plus their browser is still ridiculously extensive . Gogogogo Opera!!
Yesss, i'm using Opera since it wasn't even free, like almost 6 years with this awesome browser. Switched from FF after 3 months because FF was very crappy in 2004;p It's so great to see Opera evolving all the time And not only they update it often, but also give new skin every update
I used to use opera before I started using firefox. I was having some problems with opera back then though, some of the sites I went to wouldn't load right.
hmmmm... I think I can tell the difference in speed between Chrome and Opera even when browsing TL. Opera has a robust feeling to it, I like it. Also, mouse gestures are obviously 10X better than the extension for Chrome.
I still love Chrome's body better(what you can do with tabs, all-in-one address bar etc.), but Opera's engine is great.
1 more tiny dislike about opera appearance: The tabs are like 2 pixels separated from the top of the screen so I keep missing the tabs I want to click.
On March 03 2010 01:38 Ecael wrote: That is actually meant to be a compliment, like I mentioned in my first post, I've always had a soft spot for Opera, which I had used more consistently than I had FF for the longest time. One of the main things that had me going for Chrome over Opera 10.1 was the simple and clean interface that Chrome had, so to see Opera adapt such a visual outlook is pretty awesome. That doesn't change the fact that both Opera and FF just ripped off that look after Chrome proved to be popular though.
This whole idea of 'ripping off' seems pretty stupid to me. If it improves a user's experience, shouldn't all browsers implement it? Its like saying "Oh yeah, the wheel is definitely helpful, but I think I'll just stick without it because I don't want to rip you off" (This isn't directed at you in particular, just at that attitude in general)
Opera 10.50 is very fast, better than anything with the exception of bonestock Chrome 5.0.330, which gets significantly slowed down by adblock.
A bit of a worry though, my 10.50 Beta and Final keeps crashing on accessing Yahoo Mail and MSN (Live) Mail, (using a direct bookmark into my account with password in the wand).
On March 03 2010 01:38 Ecael wrote: That is actually meant to be a compliment, like I mentioned in my first post, I've always had a soft spot for Opera, which I had used more consistently than I had FF for the longest time. One of the main things that had me going for Chrome over Opera 10.1 was the simple and clean interface that Chrome had, so to see Opera adapt such a visual outlook is pretty awesome. That doesn't change the fact that both Opera and FF just ripped off that look after Chrome proved to be popular though.
This whole idea of 'ripping off' seems pretty stupid to me. If it improves a user's experience, shouldn't all browsers implement it? Its like saying "Oh yeah, the wheel is definitely helpful, but I think I'll just stick without it because I don't want to rip you off" (This isn't directed at you in particular, just at that attitude in general)
I feel like it is important to note that they had taken the innovation of another in order to improve the user experience. Just as Opera fans can claim that the idea of integrated search bar and speed dial homepage were ideas that Opera came up with, Chrome fans should also be able to point to the UI and say that Chrome led to that little graphical detail. There isn't really right or wrong here, but to properly attribute who the innovation originated from isn't a bad thing imo.
We could put it less offensively like...oh, Opera integrated the strengths of Chrome in the graphical UI, but why mask it when we all know that FF and Opera both scrambled to make their browsers look that way when Chrome became a hit?
On March 03 2010 01:38 Ecael wrote: That is actually meant to be a compliment, like I mentioned in my first post, I've always had a soft spot for Opera, which I had used more consistently than I had FF for the longest time. One of the main things that had me going for Chrome over Opera 10.1 was the simple and clean interface that Chrome had, so to see Opera adapt such a visual outlook is pretty awesome. That doesn't change the fact that both Opera and FF just ripped off that look after Chrome proved to be popular though.
This whole idea of 'ripping off' seems pretty stupid to me. If it improves a user's experience, shouldn't all browsers implement it? Its like saying "Oh yeah, the wheel is definitely helpful, but I think I'll just stick without it because I don't want to rip you off" (This isn't directed at you in particular, just at that attitude in general)
I feel like it is important to note that they had taken the innovation of another in order to improve the user experience. Just as Opera fans can claim that the idea of integrated search bar and speed dial homepage were ideas that Opera came up with, Chrome fans should also be able to point to the UI and say that Chrome led to that little graphical detail. There isn't really right or wrong here, but to properly attribute who the innovation originated from isn't a bad thing imo.
We could put it less offensively like...oh, Opera integrated the strengths of Chrome in the graphical UI, but why mask it when we all know that FF and Opera both scrambled to make their browsers look that way when Chrome became a hit?
does it matter? with customizable UI of opera and firefox i always made it look like chrome even before chrome existed same for firefox i would reduce the menu to 1 button and remove as much crap as possible so it's pretty much just bookmarks, addressbar and tabs.
UI is hardly innovation people flock to what people like.
Work comp is pretty shitballs, a Dell 4300S upgraded to 512 of DDR1 (I think?) RAM. Fucking frowntown.
It loads things fast in the beta, without the Turbo option on as my network is not that slow to need it. Now remembering my work computer is mad shitballs, here are some notes I found.
-If I stream youtube, I get severe interface lag... prob from lack of RAM but noted for the 10.5 beta regardless. -If I try to log into my Verizon e-mail, I just simply cannot click the Sign In button. Hitting Enter does nothing, and clicking the button just showing you clicking it, without it ever actually going through. -Webpages load faster than with my old IE. Significantly. -Sometimes, if I try to click an embedded video's play button, I won't be able to. Just need to scroll the video off the screen, then back to it, and it usually fixes that. Noticed that for quite a few Opera builds.... maybe Opera and Youtube aren't friends.
Overall, if you just wanna browse... try it. For sure.
Thanks for this, I must confess my ignorance and say that without it I would have totally ignored Opera, Just trying it now and first impressions are very good.
But i need to know if it has anything similar (and as effective) to Adblock and Noscript, because there is no way i could back to surfing the web wothout those two add-ons.
Definitely faster, but a little buggy. Titles in my "Appearance" tab are not showing up, and it froze on a couple websites (like hotmail). Hopefully this upgrade will prompt FF to get moving on the next update. Competition is great.
On March 03 2010 03:19 CrimsonLotus wrote: Crappy pc means i'm interested in this.
But i need to know if it has anything similar (and as effective) to Adblock and Noscript, because there is no way i could back to surfing the web wothout those two add-ons.
You can turn off Javascript and sounds and animations, you can also customize each page separately using Dragonfly using your own scripts and you can block things manually. No browser comes close to Noscript and Adblock on FF though.
On March 03 2010 03:07 bdams19 wrote: anyone know how to import bookmarks? i might be retarded but i cant find it.
edit: I suppose it's the opera link that you sign up for. Mouse gestures included? See ya firefox!
Bookmarks>Manage Bookmarks>File>Import from browser X
I didn't know Opera was so awesome. Do new tabs open next to the active tab? If so, I'll have to switch over from Safari. I especially like the low memory requirement. I usually have Photoshop, InDesign, itunes, word, etc open all at one, so that would definitely be a bonus.
I am not as competant as most here when it comes to using computers, I was wandering when i download the file and it ways it is an excetutable file, is that ok to open? A warning come up saying that opeing executable file could be dangerous and malicious or harm the computer.
Thanks, Pure.Calm
Ps. As someone who uses FF do you think it is worth me switching over?
On March 03 2010 01:38 Ecael wrote: That is actually meant to be a compliment, like I mentioned in my first post, I've always had a soft spot for Opera, which I had used more consistently than I had FF for the longest time. One of the main things that had me going for Chrome over Opera 10.1 was the simple and clean interface that Chrome had, so to see Opera adapt such a visual outlook is pretty awesome. That doesn't change the fact that both Opera and FF just ripped off that look after Chrome proved to be popular though.
This whole idea of 'ripping off' seems pretty stupid to me. If it improves a user's experience, shouldn't all browsers implement it? Its like saying "Oh yeah, the wheel is definitely helpful, but I think I'll just stick without it because I don't want to rip you off" (This isn't directed at you in particular, just at that attitude in general)
I feel like it is important to note that they had taken the innovation of another in order to improve the user experience. Just as Opera fans can claim that the idea of integrated search bar and speed dial homepage were ideas that Opera came up with, Chrome fans should also be able to point to the UI and say that Chrome led to that little graphical detail. There isn't really right or wrong here, but to properly attribute who the innovation originated from isn't a bad thing imo.
We could put it less offensively like...oh, Opera integrated the strengths of Chrome in the graphical UI, but why mask it when we all know that FF and Opera both scrambled to make their browsers look that way when Chrome became a hit?
does it matter? with customizable UI of opera and firefox i always made it look like chrome even before chrome existed same for firefox i would reduce the menu to 1 button and remove as much crap as possible so it's pretty much just bookmarks, addressbar and tabs.
UI is hardly innovation people flock to what people like.
At the point where one proves to be popular enough that other major players in the same market adapts it, wouldn't we call it innovation? I also customized Opera 10.1, but the ugly title bar, the removal of which is Chrome's greatest contribution, only went thanks to 10.5.
It isn't so much about how customizable things are as how readily these options can be used and what parts of it comes as default. Innovation is recognized as such when it is adapted by others and becomes a norm.
I am not as competant as most here when it comes to using computers, I was wandering when i download the file and it ways it is an excetutable file, is that ok to open? A warning come up saying that opeing executable file could be dangerous and malicious or harm the computer.
Thanks, Pure.Calm
Ps. As someone who uses FF do you think it is worth me switching over?
If you downloaded it from the opera website, it should be safe to open so don't worry about it being dangerous to your computer. I think if you're comfortable and like using FF there's no need to switch over, but of course there's no harm in trying it out to see if you like it or not.
i'm finding it pretty convenient so far, even though it doesn't have all the features that i like/gotten used to with chrome, but it makes up for it in other ways. one is the fact that you can hotkey your favorite pages and effectively apply some good old micro to your browsing
I usually test out the latest version of Opera before I get frustrated with it and switch back to my old browser.
After testing this one out: Opera Turbo is a load of crap, all it does is saves time loading images by not loading them completely (meaning you get a page full of low res crappy looking images).
On March 03 2010 06:54 Chuiu wrote: I usually test out the latest version of Opera before I get frustrated with it and switch back to my old browser.
After testing this one out: Opera Turbo is a load of crap, all it does is saves time loading images by not loading them completely (meaning you get a page full of low res crappy looking images).
opera turbo is meant for 64k connections and smartphones
I am not as competant as most here when it comes to using computers, I was wandering when i download the file and it ways it is an excetutable file, is that ok to open? A warning come up saying that opeing executable file could be dangerous and malicious or harm the computer.
Thanks, Pure.Calm
Ps. As someone who uses FF do you think it is worth me switching over?
Since youre new with computers/internet and all, I'll give you a tip that ending a post with your own username is usually not a good idea
I just installed 10.5 and lost the beloved toolbar Is there a way to re-enable it? having to right-click the icon in the system tray just to check my mail kinda sucks.
Mouse gestures in Opera work better for me than any of the extensions I've tried in FF and Chrome. I've been using Chrome but gonna switch back to Opera now with 10.5. <3 Opera
Lol its exactly like chrome for the most part... i use any browser atm. Lol when one lags i switch. Usually makes me feel better. Although Chrome is #1, then FF, then IE for me atm.
On March 03 2010 10:48 Liquid`NonY wrote: Mouse gestures in Opera work better for me than any of the extensions I've tried in FF and Chrome. I've been using Chrome but gonna switch back to Opera now with 10.5. <3 Opera
hmm what are extensions? O.o Sounds like fun haha.
I am completely hooked on Opera. Discovering Opera was like discovering Google.com for me. Everything else now seems so slow and bloated. The fact that they keep adding useful features to Opera is a plus, but the rendering engine is just lightning fast.
On March 03 2010 11:17 StorrZerg wrote: Man i use to many extensions in ff to switch
it is very fast though
javascripts are usually exportable and compatible to opera's to some extent ie your little greesemonkey scripts, popular ones usually have an opera export.
add ons depending on what they do may already be done in opera.
I remember an Opera version I had you could access the whole 'extract here' menu from the download screen as if you were browsing for files in windows explorer, insted of having to open he folder in a seperate window. Back when I was messing with addons in WoW, and I played stepmania (that had like 100billon rar files) it made it a lot easier. I'll give it a look-see.
On March 03 2010 10:48 Liquid`NonY wrote: Mouse gestures in Opera work better for me than any of the extensions I've tried in FF and Chrome. I've been using Chrome but gonna switch back to Opera now with 10.5. <3 Opera
hmm what are extensions? O.o Sounds like fun haha.
Extensions are little user-made add-ons you can get for FF and Chrome that add some feature or functionality. A ton of the things that you need extensions for in FF and Chrome are instead simply built in to Opera. Sometimes this means that Opera can't do something that FF and Chrome can do since it's not possible for every extension to be built in. But in some important cases, like mouse gestures for me, it means that Opera works better because built-in features are less likely to have issues than extensions.
Oh I think you meant to ask what mouse gestures are? Or anyway you are asking that now. You basically hold down right click and draw simple designs, like a horizontal line from left to right, or from right to left, or an L starting from the top, etc etc, and it does things in your browser like go forward, backward, close tab, open blank tab, reload, etc. I also love the "rocker" thing where you hold down right click and click on the left click and it goes back, or you hold down left click and click on the right click and it goes forward. You can customize all this stuff to match any drawn design with any command.
OK its offical Opera rapes > all other browsers. I just went and visited all the sites I found slow, Battle.net, Facebook, and others. I haven't seen this type of speed in.. well forever. Kudos! im on the Opera Bandwagon. :D
Edit: Now just iCCup, yet again, its faster than others.
yeah look bottom left and u see the panels thingy, just rightclick and ull be able to do all that stuff, i just found it i may not explain it as well tho, But its there.
On March 03 2010 11:30 haruharu wrote: is there a way to get a bookmark bar like on chrome and firefox?
You mean the sidebar? View -> Sidebar -> Bookmarks for Firefox. You can also get an extension that adds on sidebars. I doubt Chrome has this functionality without addons.
On March 03 2010 11:37 Poly325 wrote: wow, faster than chrome? got me convinced . just hope they have nice shortcuts and stuff too.
gestures are the best shortcuts.
also i hate chrome homepage and startpage
On March 03 2010 11:29 wishbones wrote: OK its offical Opera rapes > all other browsers. I just went and visited all the sites I found slow, Battle.net, Facebook, and others. I haven't seen this type of speed in.. well forever. Kudos! im on the Opera Bandwagon. :D
Edit: Now just iCCup, yet again, its faster than others.
as opera user, I really like it's light weight usage. The lack of addons would be my only complaint. I just hope more website also test for opera compatibility.
On March 03 2010 11:27 Liquid`NonY wrote: Oh I think you meant to ask what mouse gestures are? Or anyway you are asking that now. You basically hold down right click and draw simple designs, like a horizontal line from left to right, or from right to left, or an L starting from the top, etc etc, and it does things in your browser like go forward, backward, close tab, open blank tab, reload, etc. I also love the "rocker" thing where you hold down right click and click on the left click and it goes back, or you hold down left click and click on the right click and it goes forward. You can customize all this stuff to match any drawn design with any command.
yeah, it's a closed browser in that sense, and the beauty is it's not much of a problem, since they're going for efficiency, and enough efficiency is built into it. of course, the built in aspect is part of what allows it to be so efficient :3
I've bee using Opera for 3+ years and it's the best browser ever. I love the synchronization and note things, speed dial is also awesome. Don't know why memory-sucking ff is more popular than opera.
On March 03 2010 01:26 Ecael wrote: Ah right, 10.5 is the version where they just ripped off Chrome's looks. Awesome.
Chrome ripped off the new page tab from Opera. blame game is fail
Read all the posts that I had in between if you will.
On March 03 2010 12:01 hixhix wrote: I've bee using Opera for 3+ years and it's the best browser ever. I love the synchronization and note things, speed dial is also awesome. Don't know why memory-sucking ff is more popular than opera.
Opera rode the wave of free browser too late I suppose.
how do you get opera to do that thing chrome does where you can type in a webpage in the address bar, then press tab to search that webpage instead of having to go there.
for example, in chrome, type "wikipedia" into search bar, then press "tab", then type "starcraft" and chrome will automatically search for starcraft on wikipedia for you and take you to the results. i love that feature. use it all the time.
when i press "ctrl+tab", how do i get it to just cycle through my tabs instead of showing me a list of tabs that i'm going through? I hate this list cycle thing, i just want it to fucking cycle. I can't find an option for this.
Preference, advanced, tabs, cycle without showing list. I don't recall opera have a thing in the address bar for that, but that's why there is a search bar?
I am not as competant as most here when it comes to using computers, I was wandering when i download the file and it ways it is an excetutable file, is that ok to open? A warning come up saying that opeing executable file could be dangerous and malicious or harm the computer.
Thanks, Pure.Calm
Ps. As someone who uses FF do you think it is worth me switching over?
man i love opera. it's soooo fast. whenever i see anyone browsing with internet explorer, it makes me cringe. really.
On March 03 2010 12:16 flamewheel91 wrote: Downloading and giving it a shot, though I'm a huge Chrome fan. Even though my proxy works only with Firefox D:
good proxyes aren't at all needed to be configured via your Internet properties and chrome can use proxies too but a proxy should be configured in your Internet connection settings via your ethernet or wireless PBCAK much
I was using Chrome. Though Opera seems to be working pretty well. Though I accidentally blocked livestream on TL though can still watch in on livestream itself, how do I undo that. I tried unblocking it but it won't stay unblocked.
On March 03 2010 12:03 Poly325 wrote: how do you get opera to do that thing chrome does where you can type in a webpage in the address bar, then press tab to search that webpage instead of having to go there.
for example, in chrome, type "wikipedia" into search bar, then press "tab", then type "starcraft" and chrome will automatically search for starcraft on wikipedia for you and take you to the results. i love that feature. use it all the time.
i can't figure out how to get opera to do this.
opera has search shortcuts that you can use in the address field wikipedia = w
so you type into the address field "w starcraft" and hit enter
preferences --> search you can add/remove sites, edit what shortcut they use, etc
wow nony you have so many useful tips! I've been using Opera for 1-2 years, but I've never figured out these tricks. I have one question, can you rearrange the order in Password Manager? I have multiple gmail saved, and I want to reorder the order the accounts shows up when I hit "Ctrl+Enter". Do you know how to do that?
On March 03 2010 12:03 Poly325 wrote: how do you get opera to do that thing chrome does where you can type in a webpage in the address bar, then press tab to search that webpage instead of having to go there.
for example, in chrome, type "wikipedia" into search bar, then press "tab", then type "starcraft" and chrome will automatically search for starcraft on wikipedia for you and take you to the results. i love that feature. use it all the time.
i can't figure out how to get opera to do this.
opera has search shortcuts that you can use in the address field wikipedia = w
so you type into the address field "w starcraft" and hit enter
preferences --> search you can add/remove sites, edit what shortcut they use, etc
oh great. i need to do it manually now? =P
oh hey nony, i'm a huge fan of your stuff . how come you don't post your sc2 stream anymore? any new videos?
On March 03 2010 12:51 Voyager wrote: Firefox will always be king for 2 simple reasons
1) adblock 2) noscript
good hosts file works better as it prevents all ads no matter browser or in game etc no script is a joke 1 in IE opera firefox you can set up trusted websites then the websites you normally visit you can mark those with different settings from the rest of the Internet in other-words you can disable shit like javascript for all the Internet except just those few websites. 2 in opera disabling javascript you can make it easy as putting a button on your menu to enable and disable things like javascript 3 anyone who gets a browser for speed and disables a major part of a website such as javascript and says their browser is so fast is just plain idiotic, frankly only websites like youtube or facebook need fast javascript
take the 10 mins to set up custom settings and guess what you have a freaking secure browser. I use IE and opera (IE for reasons that it's the most compatible webbrowser around and frankly by design the most secure although most targeted, esp under my windows 7 limited account it's near impenetrable most IE bugs are though XP or when people mess with their settings without knowing what they do)
On March 03 2010 12:51 Voyager wrote: Firefox will always be king for 2 simple reasons
1) adblock 2) noscript
good hosts file works better as it prevents all ads no matter browser or in game etc no script is a joke 1 in IE opera firefox you can set up trusted websites then the websites you normally visit you can mark those with different settings from the rest of the Internet in other-words you can disable shit like javascript for all the Internet except just those few websites. 2 in opera disabling javascript you can make it easy as putting a button on your menu to enable and disable things like javascript 3 anyone who gets a browser for speed and disables a major part of a website such as javascript and says their browser is so fast is just plain idiotic, frankly only websites like youtube or facebook need fast javascript
take the 10 mins to set up custom settings and guess what you have a freaking secure browser. I use IE and opera (IE for reasons that it's the most compatible webbrowser around and frankly by design the most secure although most targeted, esp under my windows 7 limited account it's near impenetrable most IE bugs are though XP or when people mess with their settings without knowing what they do)
Are you trolling? I'm not even going to bring up the innumerable problems with internet explorer, the entire internet has already done so and found it lacking.
On a limited account by default settings IE8 is by far the most secure webrowser, if you change a few more settings and properly set up trust sites and then disable the rest of the internet it is dam near impenetrable. Alot of the so called viruses for it and crap are cause by people downloading and installing shit when they don't know where it came from and what's in it.
and all popular webroswers have this ability, essentially making better security then noscript can offer without having to deal with that thing popping up everything you visit a new website no script to me is nothing but a shitty gui for something you should already do, along with adblock as adblocking can be done via hosts file. And this is esp easy with opera can you can just right click and go to manage site preferences and enable things such as javascript or plug-ings for websites you need, which is quite convenient when dealing with mail clients and other things that may want to redirect you for security along with quickly being able to enable disable those things though the ui and IE does this the best in terms of what to enable and disable in trusted not trusted zones.
Setting up your Internet properly to have a whitelist of websites you visit regularly and basically disabling plugins chokies and javascript and other netto things will prevents everything except again those stupid things such as downloading a programing running it and getting infected off that.
On March 03 2010 14:39 LazySCV wrote: Opera seems really cool and there's not too much of a change coming from using FireFox since it was new. Most annoying thing that I've found is how there's no "undo closed tab." Pretty minor, really, love the gestures and other built-in things to streamline everything.
In Opera, Undo Closed Tabs - little Recycle Bin button on top right.
On March 03 2010 14:39 LazySCV wrote: Opera seems really cool and there's not too much of a change coming from using FireFox since it was new. Most annoying thing that I've found is how there's no "undo closed tab." Pretty minor, really, love the gestures and other built-in things to streamline everything.
In Opera, Undo Closed Tabs - little Recycle Bin button on top right.
On March 03 2010 14:39 LazySCV wrote: Opera seems really cool and there's not too much of a change coming from using FireFox since it was new. Most annoying thing that I've found is how there's no "undo closed tab." Pretty minor, really, love the gestures and other built-in things to streamline everything.
In Opera, Undo Closed Tabs - little Recycle Bin button on top right.
finally opera is getting what they deserve. a thread in TL ^_^. I have always loved opera abd how it takes like barely any ram. It used to have crap security, but is till loved it. All of my friends used to make fun of me for using so i switched to chrom. Now i can laugh in their fing faces. WOOT!
I'm not surprised that a high-apm community like this really likes opera. Its the best browser right now and I hate when I have to use IE or FF on someone elses computer.
I use Opera on my mobile for web browsing on my Nokia, I like it so far, I want to try this too but I can't since I'm on a Mac...they haven't got the latest version available, but they did say it would be available shortly.
I'm using Opera alongside FF right now. Java seems faster, youtube seems a little slower on the uptake, and of course there's ads (hopefully not for long - checking that url as I type)
I used to use opera 6 and was pleased with its features. Seems they've come a long way.
Just switched. It is really cool. I don't need any extension that isn't built into Opera.
I recommend everyone try out some of the great skins. SSK Dynamic is my favorite one, followed by Mironix X. Also, you can simulate Google Chrome's omnibar by typing "g [search terms]" and it will automatically search the terms on google for you.
Using Opera for almost 2 years now and it never disappointed me. 2nd browser on my laptop is SRWare Iron. It's not so Big Brother like, like Chrome but it runs the same engine. Can't compare it to Opera of course. Glad to see so many people like it!
i've been using it for a while and i've noticed some it's missing some things or maybe i just dont know how to use it. Is there a way to open a bookmark in a new tab? Like in chrome and firefox all you ahd to do was click on one of ur fav's with the mousewheel and it'll open that page in a new tab. i cant seem to be able to do this in opera when i'm trying to open a new page from my bookmarks. Also is it possible to open a new page in a new tab from the address bar?In chrome you just had to type a website on the address bar and hold alt and press enter and it would go to that page in a new tab. Is this possible with opera?
On March 03 2010 12:51 Voyager wrote: Firefox will always be king for 2 simple reasons
1) adblock 2) noscript
-_- hosts file is so much better than adblock. i am going to repost this http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm all you do is replace the hosts file in c:\windows\system 32\drivers\etc (might be diff for 64bit) and ta da no moar ads, including livestream
Some good tip for people using TLPD often: Right click on TLPD's search bar, select "create search", in "keyword" type anything you want (for example "t"), then create new tab (ctrl+t), type for example "t flash" and voila - you just made new shortcut for search Works with every search bar i use
On March 03 2010 18:42 haruharu wrote: i've been using it for a while and i've noticed some it's missing some things or maybe i just dont know how to use it. Is there a way to open a bookmark in a new tab? Like in chrome and firefox all you ahd to do was click on one of ur fav's with the mousewheel and it'll open that page in a new tab. i cant seem to be able to do this in opera when i'm trying to open a new page from my bookmarks. Also is it possible to open a new page in a new tab from the address bar?In chrome you just had to type a website on the address bar and hold alt and press enter and it would go to that page in a new tab. Is this possible with opera?
Overall it is extremely fast and i like it ^^
Hold down shift + left click on a bookmark to open it in a new tab.
Hold down shift + press enter to open a page in a new tab from the address bar.
On March 03 2010 19:04 Kaniol wrote: Some good tip for people using TLPD often: Right click on TLPD's search bar, select "create search", in "keyword" type anything you want (for example "t"), then create new tab (ctrl+t), type for example "t flash" and voila - you just made new shortcut for search Works with every search bar i use
Okay, the newest annoyance is the facebook ads. The hosts file provided earlier in the thread did nothing to keep them from appearing. The images accompanying the ads have gone but the text and links remain, and trying to block the appropriate content through the "inspect element" -> preferences -> blocked content did nothing but disable facebook chat. Any ideas?
I just downloaded it and it's fast, but so far it's not faster than Chrome for me. Unfortunately, Chrome + Win7 x64 has always had really weird hiccup lag for me, which has made it unusable. It's a shame, since it ran so well on Vista x64.
long time opera fan here, I must say I love the new opera!
one thing about the 10.5 that might not be a big deal to others is the fonts for asian languages (korean)...
i cannot seem to change it and when I read korean it doesnt look the same as the opera 9 default font. I have no idea how to change this..
edit: nvm..it is there just the name isnt "korean" its under "hangul" in the international font options..however facebook still displays it stretched out for some reason..
Bleh, not really a fan of this. I used to be an Opera user back in 7, but this just doesn't do it for me anymore. I could probably tweak it a bit (although I'm not sure how much you can really do to it) but I don't really want to. I just want Chrome to work normally again.
does anyone know how to get the "Find in Page" functionality back. I accidentally deleted it in my list of search engines now i dont know how to get it back D:
I'm such a Firefox diehard it's gonna be hard to even consider anything else. Hmmmm maybe i'll check this out though. Graphs with cool colours really hook me in lol
I'm surprised to see there actually are so many Opera fans!
I'd say the bottleneck of loading most of the websites I visit is due to the download speed rather than the rendering speed though. I'm pretty sure that counts for almost everyone. I have enough browsers installed already >.<
I'm also very skeptical towards the graph in the OP. If I remember clearly Opera's performance at v.10.x (I can't remember which it was) was pretty poor, doing worse than FireFox at that moment. While I don't doubt they improved it (since the new js engine is supposedly to be really good) I find it hard to believe that it actually jumped so far ahead of Chrome. Anyway, I know FF isn't the fastest around, but their Add-on's still rock the best out of all other browsers. I don't really care too much whether Opera is able to render a page faster when I can hardly notice it in a practical fashion. I know I won't be changing browsers anytime soon.
I'm loving the options this browser has. Most of the widgets so far are disappointing (the chat widget looks worse than AIM Express, I prefer the resource-hogging version with ads to this; the sudoku widget is completely awful; the crossword widget doesn't even connect to what it says it will) but a few are nice, like twitter and google translate.
The lack of alt-text on images gets to me. Maybe there's an addon that fixes this as there was with Firefox.
On March 04 2010 13:30 Smorrie wrote: I'm surprised to see there actually are so many Opera fans!
I'd say the bottleneck of loading most of the websites I visit is due to the download speed rather than the rendering speed though. I'm pretty sure that counts for almost everyone. I have enough browsers installed already >.<
I'm also very skeptical towards the graph in the OP. If I remember clearly Opera's performance at v.10.x (I can't remember which it was) was pretty poor, doing worse than FireFox at that moment. While I don't doubt they improved it (since the new js engine is supposedly to be really good) I find it hard to believe that it actually jumped so far ahead of Chrome. Anyway, I know FF isn't the fastest around, but their Add-on's still rock the best out of all other browsers. I don't really care too much whether Opera is able to render a page faster when I can hardly notice it in a practical fashion. I know I won't be changing browsers anytime soon.
yeah i was thinking the same too initially, i was pretty content with chrome. after a day using opera though there's no way i'm going back to chrome. it's not the speed so much as the features like mouse gestures, speed dial, security, and general layout that i like. i literally spent an hour doing nothing but opening and closing random websites practicing browser "hotkeys" since i was enjoying the mechanics of it so much. i guess it's the combination of those built in features and the speed that makes me okay with it not having the best adon support.
On March 03 2010 20:05 FastEddieV wrote: Okay, the newest annoyance is the facebook ads. The hosts file provided earlier in the thread did nothing to keep them from appearing. The images accompanying the ads have gone but the text and links remain, and trying to block the appropriate content through the "inspect element" -> preferences -> blocked content did nothing but disable facebook chat. Any ideas?
I have the same problem. I installed the hosts file thing but I still have ads in gmail and some other places, also sometimes the picture of the ad will be gone, but the pop-up is still there. Am I doing something wrong or is the host file replacement just that crappy
Opera seems fantastic, but I have one really big issue that is preventing me from using it.
When I do the "open in new tab", it'll send me to the new tab. I would like to know how I can just stay on my current screen without it sending me to the newly opened tab.
This may not seem like a big issue, but when I try to solve 14 manual complaints in a row, all of which are new tabs, I don't like the idea of going back on forth after each new tab.
On March 05 2010 01:15 Headlines wrote: When I do the "open in new tab", it'll send me to the new tab. I would like to know how I can just stay on my current screen without it sending me to the newly opened tab.
On March 04 2010 13:30 Smorrie wrote: I'm surprised to see there actually are so many Opera fans!
I'd say the bottleneck of loading most of the websites I visit is due to the download speed rather than the rendering speed though. I'm pretty sure that counts for almost everyone. I have enough browsers installed already >.<
I'm also very skeptical towards the graph in the OP. If I remember clearly Opera's performance at v.10.x (I can't remember which it was) was pretty poor, doing worse than FireFox at that moment. While I don't doubt they improved it (since the new js engine is supposedly to be really good) I find it hard to believe that it actually jumped so far ahead of Chrome. Anyway, I know FF isn't the fastest around, but their Add-on's still rock the best out of all other browsers. I don't really care too much whether Opera is able to render a page faster when I can hardly notice it in a practical fashion. I know I won't be changing browsers anytime soon.
Yup. Tried them all and FF is still my default browser. Just can't wait until they release 4.0. It's going to be so much win.
On March 03 2010 01:31 TheBB wrote: I was a heavy Opera user before I found Vimperator. I feel like a traitor... lol.
Not a heavy user but I switched back to FF when I found out about Vimperator.. also I don't really get the "speed" argument. Do you really have issues with internet page loading speeds in other browsers? I have no problems waiting a whole second for a page to load in firefox.
This is my first time using Opera. It seems pretty fast! The interface is kind of ugly and bulky looking though. I hate mis-clicking tabs on the top due to the 2 empty pixel space on top of the browser. How can they overlook this? For once I can see why google only has one bar (it saves you typing and clicking time) and do miss it already. If the adblock feature works well in Opera I might make the switch. I just cannot stand how slow and bloated firefox is. I'll still use chrome though..
Did anybody else have issues with Opera's udp-caching before? After a long session of browsing videos it just eats up an unnecessary amount of disk space (temporary, yet does not seem to clear until i close opera). Maybe I just have something wrong in my settings? I wonder if it works the same way with 10.5.
#on an unrelated note, I always love how browsers advertise their "private" settings with "planning secret holidays" or "looking for surprise gifts", yet everybody knows what will it be most used for :-p
@ niteReloaded and Hokay: that "2-pixels above tabs" issue is resolved by a skin called "Default 10.50 Skin without Tab Gap"
On March 03 2010 03:34 0neder wrote: Do new tabs open next to the active tab? If so, I'll have to switch over from Safari.
It's in the preferences / advanced / general -> [ ] open new tabs next to active (if they didn't change its location).
On March 03 2010 14:39 LazySCV wrote: Most annoying thing that I've found is how there's no "undo closed tab."
As others said, Ctrl-Z or Ctrl-Shift-T or click on the bin. Found it ironic, since ff actually copied it from opera And I agree, it's a really awesome feature.
On March 05 2010 01:15 Headlines wrote: When I do the "open in new tab", it'll send me to the new tab. I would like to know how I can just stay on my current screen without it sending me to the newly opened tab.
You can Ctrl-Shift-click the link (easiest way if you're planning to open a lot of tabs in the background) or as others said right-click / open in background or middle click.
+ for Chrome: the easy searching from the address bar without having to customize anything beforehand
+ for Chrome: ability to drag tabs and make windows out of them
+ for Chrome: the option to open a link from the website you're viewing in a new incognito tab (without having to manually open new incognito tab and then navigate to the wanted page again)
- for Opera: those irritating 2pixels of space from the top of the monitor that make you mislick the tabs in Opera
- for Opera: the fact that Opera doesn't remember my username in my Gmail, so I have to manually type BOTH the username and password instead just password.
Opera is somewhat faster, but Chrome is more intuitive for me. I used firefox for like 6-7 years and I can't imagine using anything other than Chrome now, Google really did an amazing job with it.
On March 05 2010 06:40 niteReloaded wrote: I'm back to Chrome too.
Here's the list of tiny things that add up:
+ for Chrome: the easy searching from the address bar without having to customize anything beforehand
+ for Chrome: ability to drag tabs and make windows out of them
+ for Chrome: the option to open a link from the website you're viewing in a new incognito tab (without having to manually open new incognito tab and then navigate to the wanted page again) [b]
- for Opera: those irritating 2pixels of space from the top of the monitor that make you mislick the tabs in Opera
- for Opera: the fact that Opera doesn't remember my username in my Gmail, so I have to manually type BOTH the username and password instead just password.
Opera is somewhat faster, but Chrome is more intuitive for me. I used firefox for like 6-7 years and I can't imagine using anything other than Chrome now, Google really did an amazing job with it.
So basiclly you hate opera because you love chrome
1 opera is customizable chrome ui is very ridged so i hate that. 2 opera already does that to drag tabs out to make new windows and combine windows to make tabs has been supported by opera for a long time so you must already gone out to just hate opera without actually giving things a chance. 3 yeah that actually is a problem not really but kind of 4 that's if you leave it again the ui as default and seriously 2 px and you can't click in the center of tabs you must click on the very most upper top come on now you're just bitching 5 i have zero problems with that must be user (or maybe you don't know how opera's password system works i have a master password and i click an icon) 6 Last time i checked chrome is just as bad as IE when it comes to storing passwords as you cannot set up a master password to lock your password info away. ie you set it up so when you start a session you enter your master key once and now all your passwords are unlocked.
On March 05 2010 06:48 Manit0u wrote: Tabs above the address bar are a no go for me.
Doesn't matter to me i put them to the left anyways as i have a widescreen monitor and most websites like more vertical space then horz
Also if you knew anything oh how well you can customize opera's ui you can put the tabs below the address bar with some skill really it's the ability to change up the UI that's the only reason why i use opera it's in built ability to manipulate the ui without having to dl shit and mess with codes is the reason why i like opera.
Also the idea of putting the tabs above the address bar is to save you vertical space, giving you more vertical space is good imo
I never said Opera was bad. I think it's quite awesome. Definitely a lot better than Chrome. It's just not for me. It's like with everyone switching to Chrome when it was released and I don't have the need for that (Faster? I have a 15Mbit connection, it doesn't really matter how fast my browser is...), I'd rather stick with a familiar design and add-ons I like using + a company that I like and support.
Edit: That's what I'm waiting for:
Edit2: Also, a nice list of pros and cons of both designs:
Positives: - Save Vertical Space - Efficiency/Remove Visual Complexity – Right now the tabs have to be connected to something. So we are adding an extra visual element for them to connect to. - Shorter Mouse Distance to Page Controls
Negatives: - Breaks Consistency/Familiarity – Moving things confuses existing users. - Title is MIA – With the space removed from the titlebar you only get the truncated version in the tab. - Longer Mouse Distance to Tabs – Takes longer to mouse to a tab. - Lost Space – Sandwiched in between the application icon and the window widgets you lose some space.
On March 05 2010 07:03 Manit0u wrote: I never said Opera was bad. I think it's quite awesome. Definitely a lot better than Chrome. It's just not for me. It's like with everyone switching to Chrome when it was released and I don't have the need for that (Faster? I have a 15Mbit connection, it doesn't really matter how fast my browser is...), I'd rather stick with a familiar design and add-ons I like using + a company that I like and support.
Edit: That's what I'm waiting for:
I could do that too with book marks as little buttons and move the menu drop down button to the title screen just would again require me to set it up.
i assume that drop down button in the title bar is the ff menu
add ons are bull imo as those are again code alterations i judge something based off it's natural value as i hate coding for myself. Also a bunch of those add ons are just ui options to build in features which again lame and what happens when your fav add on is no longer supported you get shafed so i don't bother with add ons i wont maintain.
Frankly i don't use book marks like that as opera speed dail seems better for me as i have a good sized monitor and can have 25 book mark options every time i open new tabs so i just leave book marks as a drop down
frankly with a widescreen monitor i want to save as much vertical space as possible.
On March 05 2010 07:03 Manit0u wrote: I never said Opera was bad. I think it's quite awesome. Definitely a lot better than Chrome. It's just not for me. It's like with everyone switching to Chrome when it was released and I don't have the need for that (Faster? I have a 15Mbit connection, it doesn't really matter how fast my browser is...), I'd rather stick with a familiar design and add-ons I like using + a company that I like and support.
Edit: That's what I'm waiting for:
Edit2: Also, a nice list of pros and cons of both designs:
Positives: - Save Vertical Space - Efficiency/Remove Visual Complexity – Right now the tabs have to be connected to something. So we are adding an extra visual element for them to connect to. - Shorter Mouse Distance to Page Controls
Negatives: - Breaks Consistency/Familiarity – Moving things confuses existing users. - Title is MIA – With the space removed from the titlebar you only get the truncated version in the tab. - Longer Mouse Distance to Tabs – Takes longer to mouse to a tab. - Lost Space – Sandwiched in between the application icon and the window widgets you lose some space.
lol mouse distance is bull crap that's like saying 1 inch is too many after i moved 100 also with mouse jesters and other crap you don't even need to touch your mouse to change tabs in any browser anymore
wait so i gained spaced and lost spacelol wut i don't even know what you're talking about again the ui is fluid i can change it to just about how ever i want
the only valid complain there is breaks familiarity people hate change and learning new things
the title is not mia it's in the tab so it just get truncated frankly that's not important as i have an oversized address bar where i can see the url again how is that a valid complaint?
also can your browser do this
seems rather pointless but i find it just as pointful as those who are like omg i can't combine 2 windows to make it into tabs lol really splitting hairs and just defending what they already use with random ass reasons.
Again the only thing i love about opera and makes me defend it is that it has a very customizable ui by default
On March 05 2010 06:40 niteReloaded wrote: I'm back to Chrome too.
Here's the list of tiny things that add up:
+ for Chrome: the easy searching from the address bar without having to customize anything beforehand
+ for Chrome: ability to drag tabs and make windows out of them
+ for Chrome: the option to open a link from the website you're viewing in a new incognito tab (without having to manually open new incognito tab and then navigate to the wanted page again) [b]
- for Opera: those irritating 2pixels of space from the top of the monitor that make you mislick the tabs in Opera
- for Opera: the fact that Opera doesn't remember my username in my Gmail, so I have to manually type BOTH the username and password instead just password.
Opera is somewhat faster, but Chrome is more intuitive for me. I used firefox for like 6-7 years and I can't imagine using anything other than Chrome now, Google really did an amazing job with it.
So basiclly you hate opera because you love chrome
1 opera is customizable chrome ui is very ridged so i hate that. 2 opera already does that to drag tabs out to make new windows and combine windows to make tabs has been supported by opera for a long time so you must already gone out to just hate opera without actually giving things a chance. 3 yeah that actually is a problem not really but kind of 4 that's if you leave it again the ui as default and seriously 2 px and you can't click in the center of tabs you must click on the very most upper top come on now you're just bitching 5 i have zero problems with that must be user (or maybe you don't know how opera's password system works i have a master password and i click an icon) 6 Last time i checked chrome is just as bad as IE when it comes to storing passwords as you cannot set up a master password to lock your password info away. ie you set it up so when you start a session you enter your master key once and now all your passwords are unlocked.
3- this is a valid and useful point, hopefully it gets added fast
4- see the Opera skin called "default 10.50 Skin without Tab Gap" for a fix
6- #edit: disregard this point, i misread something.
I still don't understand your issue with 3. You can do this now. Just middle click on a link and it opens in a new tab. Alternatively, you can right click on it and select Open in New Tab.
What is really funny, is people that use Chrome and like how you can 'take out' the tabs to make new windows out of them and drag the windows back to make them into a tab... Now, I wouldn't like to disappoint you, but FF 3.5.8 already has all that too (and note that FF is now in 3.6.something). You can even drag tabs from one window and turn them into either a tab or a bookmark in the other. All that without any add-ons of course. Also, the awesomebar is really awesome.
Opera doesn't have anything to offer. At least on my laptop it isn't faster nor taking up less ram than Chrome, so I am sticking with Chrome. I really like the reduced layout of Chrome and it fits my browsing habits perfectly although the functionality of FF is unparalleled.
opera 10.5 is making me edit my skin D: It's a horrible PITA to keep a skin up to date if it does things at all different from the default. 10.5 is nice though. Things keep getting better since Opera 4 (when I first used it)
On March 05 2010 07:51 cabarkapa wrote: People who play starcraft can't accurately hit the right tabs easily?
Quoted for emphasis. Everyone who is complaining about misclicking on the two pixels above the huge tab needs to learn some mouse skills. The border just makes it look nice.
Has anyone noticed how cool the new ctrl+f find is? I really like how it searches the page and highlights the words.
On March 05 2010 07:51 cabarkapa wrote: People who play starcraft can't accurately hit the right tabs easily?
Quoted for emphasis. Everyone who is complaining about misclicking on the two pixels above the huge tab needs to learn some mouse skills. The border just makes it look nice.
Has anyone noticed how cool the new ctrl+f find is? I really like how it searches the page and highlights the words.
It's not that the tabs are two pixels smaller than they could be. They are infinitely smaller than they *could* be (vertically anyway. And not literally, but in terms of ease of clicking). If they were at the top of the screen you could throw your mouse to the top at whatever speed you felt like and hit a tab without worrying about flying past them. Fitts Law and all that.
They could fix it without changing the visuals though. In XP or Vista or 7, use classic visual style (the boring grey style) Not forever, just for demo The taskbar buttons have a space between them and the bottom of the screen. You can still click the button by clicking in that space. You couldn't in win98. It is much better to be able to. They made that change without changing the visuals; I'm sure Opera could do the same by messing with how the top part of the tabs look (have them extend higher than they appear to).
On March 05 2010 07:51 cabarkapa wrote: People who play starcraft can't accurately hit the right tabs easily?
Quoted for emphasis. Everyone who is complaining about misclicking on the two pixels above the huge tab needs to learn some mouse skills. The border just makes it look nice.
Has anyone noticed how cool the new ctrl+f find is? I really like how it searches the page and highlights the words.
It's not that the tabs are two pixels smaller than they could be. They are infinitely smaller than they *could* be (vertically anyway. And not literally, but in terms of ease of clicking). If they were at the top of the screen you could throw your mouse to the top at whatever speed you felt like and hit a tab without worrying about flying past them. Fitts Law and all that.
They could fix it without changing the visuals though. In XP or Vista or 7, use classic visual style (the boring grey style) Not forever, just for demo The taskbar buttons have a space between them and the bottom of the screen. You can still click the button by clicking in that space. You couldn't in win98. It is much better to be able to. They made that change without changing the visuals; I'm sure Opera could do the same by messing with how the top part of the tabs look (have them extend higher than they appear to).
You're probably right. However, I have yet to miss it. I don't think it would be any faster or easier if I could just "throw" my mouse to the top of the screen. I think the problem is that people aren't very accurate with their mouse clicks and want a safety net.
thanks for recommending this. I've been trying to ween myself off of Chrome and Firefox is just too damn slow. This browser is like the best of chrome speed + all the great features of your standard Opera. Bravo!
Toms hardware tests all the popular browsers, IE8, Firefox, Chrome, Safari, and Opera in their crazy toms hardware fashion (tedious and meticulous and scientifically)
These benchmarks give us a pretty good picture of which browser is the fastest. What these benchmarks do not reveal is the usability (or overall end-user experience) of these browsers. The staggering number of customization options available for Firefox, or the almost constant (and insufferably bothersome) prompting in Internet Explorer are just two examples of what cannot be benchmarked. Security is also a major concern, and something that was not tested for this article. We focused purely on speed and performance, and in those fields, Google Chrome takes the gold...at least in this round of the raging browser wars.
Though the article sounds very technical, I refuse to believe ff is the winner of memory usage. The reason I stopped using ff is because everytime I have 5+ tabs, it uses all the memory available and force me to kill the firefox.exe process and I believe it had serve memory leak issue. It was ff 1x-2.x though, not sure about the recent versions but I still hear people complaining about ff memory usage.
I switched from opera to ff 1 since opera interface design was too much for my small monitor. Once I bought a widescreen, I went back to opera and live happily since then. Now, opera UI is more compact and it becomes ultimately better.
On March 05 2010 15:12 hixhix wrote: Though the article sounds very technical, I refuse to believe ff is the winner of memory usage. The reason I stopped using ff is because everytime I have 5+ tabs, it uses all the memory available and force me to kill the firefox.exe process and I believe it had serve memory leak issue. It was ff 1x-2.x though, not sure about the recent versions but I still hear people complaining about ff memory usage.
I switched from opera to ff 1 since opera interface design was too much for my small monitor. Once I bought a widescreen, I went back to opera and live happily since then. Now, opera UI is more compact and it becomes ultimately better.
Dude... FF 1.x-2.x is nothing like 3.5.x-3.6.x FF has gone a really long way sine then and improved massively on all fields. And memory usage becomes an issue only if you have bazillion add-ons. What is nice in FF though, is that they tend to incorporate some of the features previously done by add-ons into the browser which significantly reduces the load.
On March 05 2010 07:51 cabarkapa wrote: People who play starcraft can't accurately hit the right tabs easily?
Quoted for emphasis. Everyone who is complaining about misclicking on the two pixels above the huge tab needs to learn some mouse skills. The border just makes it look nice.
Has anyone noticed how cool the new ctrl+f find is? I really like how it searches the page and highlights the words.
See, you're clearly not a chrome user, because if you were, you'd understand.
Of course I can hit my tabs correctly if I pay enough attention to it. But enough means too much sometimes. I really don't wanna think about hitting the tabs correctly and avoiding the annoying 2 pixels. I just move my mouse the fuck up without paying 0.1% thought/hand sensitivity to it and hit the tab every time.
Everyone has their own relative standards, those are some of mine.
I don't have any trouble clicking tabs. I don't need to focus on it or anything, just glance out of the corner of my eye to click them. I rarely have misclick issues. I guess what I'm saying is 'you get used to it'
Toms hardware tests all the popular browsers, IE8, Firefox, Chrome, Safari, and Opera in their crazy toms hardware fashion (tedious and meticulous and scientifically)
These benchmarks give us a pretty good picture of which browser is the fastest. What these benchmarks do not reveal is the usability (or overall end-user experience) of these browsers. The staggering number of customization options available for Firefox, or the almost constant (and insufferably bothersome) prompting in Internet Explorer are just two examples of what cannot be benchmarked. Security is also a major concern, and something that was not tested for this article. We focused purely on speed and performance, and in those fields, Google Chrome takes the gold...at least in this round of the raging browser wars.
The only reasonable conclusion to extract from their tests is that Opera and Chrome are closely tied for first place, and their methodology doesn't have the precision to (seriously) tell them apart. Safari seems to be a clear 3rd, Firefox a clear 4th and IE a clear last. Concluding that Chrome beats Opera from that is a mistake that would get destroyed in a scientific review, the results are really too close for the precision of their methodology.
Also, they somewhat arbitrarily put Opera and Safari as 2nd and not tied for 1st with Chrome on the Acid3 test. It's perfectly smooth on my (slower) computer, so I see no reason why. That would actually give Opera the win according to their conclusion methods, although I feel it's still a tie anyway.
They mostly didn't put a weight on the effective results of each test, but just 1st/2nd/3rd/4th/5th, which is also very dubious. And they implicitly assumed every one of their tests should have the same weight as well.
Last but not least, their memory usage test is laughable. Browsers tend to stay open for a long time (and if it's not the case for you, memory usage is likely not a factor at all). Redo exactly the same tests after having let the browsers sit for 12 hours and be amazed at the results.
Google tracks enough of your internett habits. No need to give them complete sight of your life. That is reason enough to not use Chrome, and Opera beats the other browsers with ezz.
one with scrolling on some image heavy page, basically it froze for good, no crash though
also had a problem with livestream once
how do u disable ads on this? manual feature is really bad
didnt try turbo mode yet, seems like it opens pages bit faster but navigating between them while running flash apps is slower then FF for me, maybe 1 GB RAM just isnt enough
Pretty fast compared to IE. The only thing I don't like is the quick dial homepage. I'd rather have IE's mini bookmark row at the top of the browser. That way I had quick and easy access to my top 15 sites at ALL times. I didn't have to load the homepage to access them.
On March 06 2010 13:12 Warrior Madness wrote: Pretty fast compared to IE. The only thing I don't like is the quick dial homepage. I'd rather have IE's mini bookmark row at the top of the browser. That way I had quick and easy access to my top 15 sites at ALL times. I didn't have to load the homepage to access them.
On March 06 2010 13:12 Warrior Madness wrote: Pretty fast compared to IE. The only thing I don't like is the quick dial homepage. I'd rather have IE's mini bookmark row at the top of the browser. That way I had quick and easy access to my top 15 sites at ALL times. I didn't have to load the homepage to access them.
You can add a bar like that. I did for mine
Whoops. Of course. All you have to do is activate personal bar. I assumed it didn't do that because opera had automatically imported all my IE bookmarks except for that top bar. How silly of me.
Two things I like about opera. 1) Paste & GO. Simple. Commonsensical. 2) Right click, refresh -> every -> 5 seconds. This makes camping battle.net a whole lot easier.
On March 06 2010 13:12 Warrior Madness wrote: Pretty fast compared to IE. The only thing I don't like is the quick dial homepage. I'd rather have IE's mini bookmark row at the top of the browser. That way I had quick and easy access to my top 15 sites at ALL times. I didn't have to load the homepage to access them.
Pretty fast compared to IE? It blows my mind to think there is a slower browser out there. IE fucking tilts me so much.
Does that mean they have faster browsers in space? O_O haha. Yeah Opera is good stuff, and I have been getting rather tired of my firefox crashing lately. Gets kinda annoying, I'll give it a test.
On March 06 2010 13:12 Warrior Madness wrote: Pretty fast compared to IE. The only thing I don't like is the quick dial homepage. I'd rather have IE's mini bookmark row at the top of the browser. That way I had quick and easy access to my top 15 sites at ALL times. I didn't have to load the homepage to access them.
Pretty fast compared to IE? It blows my mind to think there is a slower browser out there. IE fucking tilts me so much.
The thing is, I gave up on firefox all together because of its obscene use of memory. After I got my new laptop this December I've sort of stuck it out with IE, for the very first time in years. I don't know how secure opera is compared with other browsers but that was my browser of choice for Ubuntu. In fact now that I think about it, I had to convince myself that IE was safe enough to input my passwords into a few months ago.
My only complaint so far with Opera is its bookmarks. I'm sure there's a widget or customization some where that I can't find right now that gives access to your bookmarks in one convenient click. I wonder how google chrome compares with this. Truthfully, I'm satisfied enough with opera to have no curiosity whatsoever with google chrome.
ETA: 5 minutes playing around with opera was enough for me to manually import all my top bookmarks from IE to opera. I'm definitely sticking with this. It's blisteringly fast. Even youtube is faster and smoother.
It depends on how many extensions you're using really, but typically its not nearly as high as Firefox.
Since Chrome got extensions I highly suggest everyone at least tries it out. I wouldn't switch to chrome till it got mouse gestures and adblock and now that it has those I'm happy using it.
On March 06 2010 14:46 Chuiu wrote: Yeah but its still better than Opera's shit.
Haha no.
Posting this from Chrome btw, http://www.fanboy.co.nz/adblock/opera/ should satisfy Opera adblock needs. Haven't seen an ad in a while since I've used Opera and I haven't updated my list in over half a year.
I use Opera and Chrome as support ... before chrome i used FF as support ... i like opera a lot , mouse gestures and middle mouse scroll , and its fast and you don't need to thinker with extensions , FF out of box dont offer anything , yes you can make monster if you add like 100 extensions but i get all i need from opera instal so i dont need to think about that ... for people who need more i guess FF is best ... for me atm its opera then chrome tbh.
On March 06 2010 14:46 Chuiu wrote: Yeah but its still better than Opera's shit.
Its not even a proper adblock, it only hides the images. Opera's adblock is pretty good and simple to use you just click on empty space and click block content and you block the ads you want. Also the link rabidch posted is fantastic, I never knew about this, thanks a lot.
Opera Pros: - looks amazing and is space efficient - feels faster and lighter than Firefox - good features out of the box
Cons: - no adblock, and the hosts file adblock sucks (doesn't work as good) - some websites just don't work right and that annoys the hell out of me - I had some problems with bookmarks - I often had to reenter my password on some sites, even though I saved them, annoying.
I can't live with these Cons so it's back to good old FF to me. Only things I really miss are native speed dial and the cool UI.
On March 07 2010 02:23 snowbird wrote: After using Opera for 2 days I'm back to Firefox.
Opera Pros: - looks amazing and is space efficient - feels faster and lighter than Firefox - good features out of the box
Cons: - no adblock, and the hosts file adblock sucks (doesn't work as good) - some websites just don't work right and that annoys the hell out of me - I had some problems with bookmarks - I often had to reenter my password on some sites, even though I saved them, annoying.
I can't live with these Cons so it's back to good old FF to me. Only things I really miss are native speed dial and the cool UI.
What a bullshit... I usually set ABP to allow my favorite sites for everything. Unless they introduce some god damned pop-ups or something which I will be forced to block manually.
I checked the link and the amount of entitlement-based whining is staggering.
"I like to look at your site without ads! Since you complained about it, I'll leave!"
"You should be able to run the site entirely off of donations!"
If you don't subscribe and you don't look at the ads, you use their server bandwidth and give them absolutely nothing in return and they would actually prefer that you leave and never come back.
On March 10 2010 10:02 EmeraldSparks wrote: I checked the link and the amount of entitlement-based whining is staggering.
"I like to look at your site without ads! Since you complained about it, I'll leave!"
"You should be able to run the site entirely off of donations!"
If you don't subscribe and you don't look at the ads, you use their server bandwidth and give them absolutely nothing in return and they would actually prefer that you leave and never come back.
Christ people are stupid.
Who cares how they make their money, the less inconvenient my time on their site is, the more I'll use it; therefore I give them more hits, which feeds their bandwidth budget from advertisement. Win win if you ask me. Just look at teamliquid even... This site has very few ads and 90 per cent of the people here don't donate or give back anything. Seems like everything is doing ok though.
Anyway, I love Opera in all ways but one above Firefox. I don't like how java doesn't work half of the time. An example would be chess.com and their live feature. Oh well, I still use it.
On March 10 2010 10:02 EmeraldSparks wrote: I checked the link and the amount of entitlement-based whining is staggering.
"I like to look at your site without ads! Since you complained about it, I'll leave!"
"You should be able to run the site entirely off of donations!"
If you don't subscribe and you don't look at the ads, you use their server bandwidth and give them absolutely nothing in return and they would actually prefer that you leave and never come back.
Christ people are stupid.
Who cares how they make their money, the less inconvenient my time on their site is, the more I'll use it; therefore I give them more hits, which feeds their bandwidth budget from advertisement. Win win if you ask me. Just look at teamliquid even... This site has very few ads and 90 per cent of the people here don't donate or give back anything. Seems like everything is doing ok though.
Anyway, I love Opera in all ways but one above Firefox. I don't like how java doesn't work half of the time. An example would be chess.com and their live feature. Oh well, I still use it.
Sites do not get any advertising revenue from the pay-per-view advertisers (who can tell if their ads are not being displayed) if you visit them with an ad-blocker on. You win, they lose.
Also I have no idea how the finances of TL.net are run.
I'm making a genuine effort to try Opera as a replacement browser. It's fast, lightweight, but has some nasty issues.
- Redraw time is either instant or one second. Instant is too quick, you end up with badly rendered page that jumps all over the place as it loads, and one second is way too long. It needs to be configurable in milliseconds.
- Unable to import awesomebar / passwords from Firefox.
- Terrible ad blocking, blocked elements aren't collapsed leaving gaps all over the page.
- Tabs are big, can't fit as many tabs as FF.
- Odd missing elements when going back to a page that has been loaded for a while.
- Very poor behavior regarding bad SSL certs.
- Slightly odd rendering of some elements / CSS.
I'm hoping in time I'll get used to it as I'm growing tired of FF's ridiculous resource usage. A browser shouldn't feel slow on a 3 GHz Dual Core.
And another major one:
- Minimizing or not using the browser for a while seems to force it to deallocate memory so it takes forever to page back in.
10.5 has serious problems. After a concerted effort to try and use it, it's just too buggy. It has what appears to be a serious memory leak or other memory management problem, causing excessive pagefile usage that gets worse the longer the browser is open.
On March 06 2010 15:35 Stormscion wrote: I use Opera and Chrome as support ... before chrome i used FF as support ... i like opera a lot , mouse gestures and middle mouse scroll , and its fast and you don't need to thinker with extensions , FF out of box dont offer anything , yes you can make monster if you add like 100 extensions but i get all i need from opera instal so i dont need to think about that ... for people who need more i guess FF is best ... for me atm its opera then chrome tbh.
you do realize that Chrome has middle mouse scroll as well right? and if you hold the shift key, it'll scroll from left to right too. that's something that opera doesn't have and i really like in chrome cause i always have multiple windows open.
It took me nearly exactly one month to realize that I will never get used to the constant small annoying things with Opera and that the speed is just not worth it, firefox all the way. =)
On April 03 2010 01:36 Puosu wrote: It took me nearly exactly one month to realize that I will never get used to the constant small annoying things with Opera and that the speed is just not worth it, firefox all the way. =)
You mean annoying little things like... Not being able to open the table of contents of books your browsing through on Amazon.com, or, how flash fucks up, or how, sometimes pages take FOORREEVER to load even though it`s advertised as the fastest browser out thereÉÉÉ
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. Its a shame that the Opera community is relatively small so an add on community cannot be implemented effectively.
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The taskbar buttons have a space between them and the bottom of the screen. You can still click the button by clicking in that space. You couldn't in win98. It is much better to be able to. They made that change without changing the visuals; I'm sure Opera could do the same by messing with how the top part of the tabs look (have them extend higher than they appear to).![[image loading]](http://media.bestofmicro.com/,0-D-239773-3.png)
