EPTOn March 05 2010 01:28 Headlines wrote:
Ah! Dude, you're the best! Thank you very much
Ah! Dude, you're the best! Thank you very much
You can also middle click any link and it will do this without having to open the drop down list.
Opera 10.5 out. "The Fastest Browser on Earth" - Page 9
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LTT
Shakuras1095 Posts
You can also middle click any link and it will do this without having to open the drop down list. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17851 Posts
On March 04 2010 13:30 Smorrie wrote: I'm surprised to see there actually are so many Opera fans! I'd say the bottleneck of loading most of the websites I visit is due to the download speed rather than the rendering speed though. I'm pretty sure that counts for almost everyone. I have enough browsers installed already >.< I'm also very skeptical towards the graph in the OP. If I remember clearly Opera's performance at v.10.x (I can't remember which it was) was pretty poor, doing worse than FireFox at that moment. While I don't doubt they improved it (since the new js engine is supposedly to be really good) I find it hard to believe that it actually jumped so far ahead of Chrome. Anyway, I know FF isn't the fastest around, but their Add-on's still rock the best out of all other browsers. I don't really care too much whether Opera is able to render a page faster when I can hardly notice it in a practical fashion. I know I won't be changing browsers anytime soon. Yup. Tried them all and FF is still my default browser. Just can't wait until they release 4.0. It's going to be so much win. | ||
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bdams19
United States1316 Posts
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Ethenielle
Norway1006 Posts
On March 03 2010 01:31 TheBB wrote: I was a heavy Opera user before I found Vimperator. I feel like a traitor... lol.  Not a heavy user but I switched back to FF when I found out about Vimperator.. also I don't really get the "speed" argument. Do you really have issues with internet page loading speeds in other browsers? I have no problems waiting a whole second for a page to load in firefox. | ||
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Hokay
United States738 Posts
Also OperaUnite feature seems interesting... | ||
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Hungary3932 Posts
Did anybody else have issues with Opera's udp-caching before? After a long session of browsing videos it just eats up an unnecessary amount of disk space (temporary, yet does not seem to clear until i close opera). Maybe I just have something wrong in my settings? I wonder if it works the same way with 10.5. #on an unrelated note, I always love how browsers advertise their "private" settings with "planning secret holidays" or "looking for surprise gifts", yet everybody knows what will it be most used for :-p @ niteReloaded and Hokay: that "2-pixels above tabs" issue is resolved by a skin called "Default 10.50 Skin without Tab Gap" | ||
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Catyoul
France2377 Posts
On March 03 2010 03:34 0neder wrote: Do new tabs open next to the active tab? If so, I'll have to switch over from Safari. It's in the preferences / advanced / general -> [ ] open new tabs next to active (if they didn't change its location). On March 03 2010 14:39 LazySCV wrote: Most annoying thing that I've found is how there's no "undo closed tab." As others said, Ctrl-Z or Ctrl-Shift-T or click on the bin. Found it ironic, since ff actually copied it from opera And I agree, it's a really awesome feature.On March 05 2010 01:15 Headlines wrote: When I do the "open in new tab", it'll send me to the new tab. I would like to know how I can just stay on my current screen without it sending me to the newly opened tab. You can Ctrl-Shift-click the link (easiest way if you're planning to open a lot of tabs in the background) or as others said right-click / open in background or middle click. Opera fan since 1997. :D | ||
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United States3824 Posts
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
Here's the list of tiny things that add up:
Opera is somewhat faster, but Chrome is more intuitive for me. I used firefox for like 6-7 years and I can't imagine using anything other than Chrome now, Google really did an amazing job with it. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17851 Posts
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semantics
10040 Posts
On March 05 2010 06:40 niteReloaded wrote: I'm back to Chrome too. Here's the list of tiny things that add up:
Opera is somewhat faster, but Chrome is more intuitive for me. I used firefox for like 6-7 years and I can't imagine using anything other than Chrome now, Google really did an amazing job with it. So basiclly you hate opera because you love chrome 1 opera is customizable chrome ui is very ridged so i hate that. 2 opera already does that to drag tabs out to make new windows and combine windows to make tabs has been supported by opera for a long time so you must already gone out to just hate opera without actually giving things a chance. 3 yeah that actually is a problem not really but kind of 4 that's if you leave it again the ui as default and seriously 2 px and you can't click in the center of tabs you must click on the very most upper top come on now you're just bitching 5 i have zero problems with that must be user (or maybe you don't know how opera's password system works i have a master password and i click an icon) 6 Last time i checked chrome is just as bad as IE when it comes to storing passwords as you cannot set up a master password to lock your password info away. ie you set it up so when you start a session you enter your master key once and now all your passwords are unlocked. | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On March 05 2010 06:48 Manit0u wrote: Tabs above the address bar are a no go for me. Doesn't matter to me i put them to the left anyways as i have a widescreen monitor and most websites like more vertical space then horz Also if you knew anything oh how well you can customize opera's ui you can put the tabs below the address bar with some skill really it's the ability to change up the UI that's the only reason why i use opera it's in built ability to manipulate the ui without having to dl shit and mess with codes is the reason why i like opera. ![[image loading]](http://i46.tinypic.com/2poo0ib.png) Also the idea of putting the tabs above the address bar is to save you vertical space, giving you more vertical space is good imo | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17851 Posts
It's like with everyone switching to Chrome when it was released and I don't have the need for that (Faster? I have a 15Mbit connection, it doesn't really matter how fast my browser is...), I'd rather stick with a familiar design and add-ons I like using + a company that I like and support. Edit: That's what I'm waiting for: ![[image loading]](https://wiki.mozilla.org/images/2/28/Firefox-4-Mockup-i05-%28XP%29-%28Royale%29-%28BottomTabs%29-%28BookmarksBar%29.png) Edit2: Also, a nice list of pros and cons of both designs: Positives: - Save Vertical Space - Efficiency/Remove Visual Complexity – Right now the tabs have to be connected to something. So we are adding an extra visual element for them to connect to. - Shorter Mouse Distance to Page Controls Negatives: - Breaks Consistency/Familiarity – Moving things confuses existing users. - Title is MIA – With the space removed from the titlebar you only get the truncated version in the tab. - Longer Mouse Distance to Tabs – Takes longer to mouse to a tab. - Lost Space – Sandwiched in between the application icon and the window widgets you lose some space. | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On March 05 2010 07:03 Manit0u wrote: I never said Opera was bad. I think it's quite awesome. Definitely a lot better than Chrome. It's just not for me. It's like with everyone switching to Chrome when it was released and I don't have the need for that (Faster? I have a 15Mbit connection, it doesn't really matter how fast my browser is...), I'd rather stick with a familiar design and add-ons I like using + a company that I like and support. Edit: That's what I'm waiting for: I could do that too with book marks as little buttons and move the menu drop down button to the title screen just would again require me to set it up. i assume that drop down button in the title bar is the ff menu add ons are bull imo as those are again code alterations i judge something based off it's natural value as i hate coding for myself. Also a bunch of those add ons are just ui options to build in features which again lame and what happens when your fav add on is no longer supported you get shafed so i don't bother with add ons i wont maintain. Frankly i don't use book marks like that as opera speed dail seems better for me as i have a good sized monitor and can have 25 book mark options every time i open new tabs so i just leave book marks as a drop down frankly with a widescreen monitor i want to save as much vertical space as possible. | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On March 05 2010 07:03 Manit0u wrote: I never said Opera was bad. I think it's quite awesome. Definitely a lot better than Chrome. It's just not for me. It's like with everyone switching to Chrome when it was released and I don't have the need for that (Faster? I have a 15Mbit connection, it doesn't really matter how fast my browser is...), I'd rather stick with a familiar design and add-ons I like using + a company that I like and support. Edit: That's what I'm waiting for: Edit2: Also, a nice list of pros and cons of both designs: Positives: - Save Vertical Space - Efficiency/Remove Visual Complexity – Right now the tabs have to be connected to something. So we are adding an extra visual element for them to connect to. - Shorter Mouse Distance to Page Controls Negatives: - Breaks Consistency/Familiarity – Moving things confuses existing users. - Title is MIA – With the space removed from the titlebar you only get the truncated version in the tab. - Longer Mouse Distance to Tabs – Takes longer to mouse to a tab. - Lost Space – Sandwiched in between the application icon and the window widgets you lose some space. lol mouse distance is bull crap that's like saying 1 inch is too many after i moved 100 also with mouse jesters and other crap you don't even need to touch your mouse to change tabs in any browser anymore wait so i gained spaced and lost spacelol wut i don't even know what you're talking about again the ui is fluid i can change it to just about how ever i want the only valid complain there is breaks familiarity people hate change and learning new things the title is not mia it's in the tab so it just get truncated frankly that's not important as i have an oversized address bar where i can see the url again how is that a valid complaint? also can your browser do this ![[image loading]](http://i49.tinypic.com/5pfy9.png) seems rather pointless but i find it just as pointful as those who are like omg i can't combine 2 windows to make it into tabs lol really splitting hairs and just defending what they already use with random ass reasons. Again the only thing i love about opera and makes me defend it is that it has a very customizable ui by default | ||
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Hungary3932 Posts
On March 05 2010 06:58 Virtue wrote: So basiclly you hate opera because you love chrome 1 opera is customizable chrome ui is very ridged so i hate that. 2 opera already does that to drag tabs out to make new windows and combine windows to make tabs has been supported by opera for a long time so you must already gone out to just hate opera without actually giving things a chance. 3 yeah that actually is a problem not really but kind of 4 that's if you leave it again the ui as default and seriously 2 px and you can't click in the center of tabs you must click on the very most upper top come on now you're just bitching 5 i have zero problems with that must be user (or maybe you don't know how opera's password system works i have a master password and i click an icon) 6 Last time i checked chrome is just as bad as IE when it comes to storing passwords as you cannot set up a master password to lock your password info away. ie you set it up so when you start a session you enter your master key once and now all your passwords are unlocked. 3- this is a valid and useful point, hopefully it gets added fast 4- see the Opera skin called "default 10.50 Skin without Tab Gap" for a fix 6- #edit: disregard this point, i misread something. | ||
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cabarkapa
United States1014 Posts
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Shakuras1095 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17851 Posts
Now, I wouldn't like to disappoint you, but FF 3.5.8 already has all that too (and note that FF is now in 3.6.something). You can even drag tabs from one window and turn them into either a tab or a bookmark in the other. All that without any add-ons of course. Also, the awesomebar is really awesome. | ||
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LuCky.
Zimbabwe91 Posts
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