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Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
February 06 2010 20:22 GMT
#121
maybe the real reason he killed her is cuz the bitch named him fuckin ionut
sfdrew
Profile Joined January 2010
United States201 Posts
February 06 2010 20:26 GMT
#122
On February 07 2010 03:29 MoltkeWarding wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2010 02:15 KwarK wrote:
On February 06 2010 21:35 MoltkeWarding wrote:
It does not require much insight to get to the heart of the matter. Boy had a computer addiction. Counterstrike absorbed his life. Mother takes life away. Boy takes mother's life.

You can't really believe it's that simple. Murder gets him CS for the next few hours and then the police come. Going to school could still get him a few hours of CS a night. His solution to the problem wasn't logical.
Imo his problem wasn't CS. His problem was his life, CS was his escapism from it. He was trying to get away from reality, first through computer games and then through the abdication of choice and freedom that comes through prison.


Why isn't it logical? No one who is addicted to computer games plays them because of their marvelous foresight. The immediate need overwhelms any anticipated consequences, resulting in unsound judgement. That is the nature of addiction.



You cannot become addicted to video games, how many times do people have to keep saying this! Why don't you go learn something addiction and then come back and post.
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NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-06 20:45:48
February 06 2010 20:45 GMT
#123
On February 07 2010 05:26 sfdrew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2010 03:29 MoltkeWarding wrote:
On February 07 2010 02:15 KwarK wrote:
On February 06 2010 21:35 MoltkeWarding wrote:
It does not require much insight to get to the heart of the matter. Boy had a computer addiction. Counterstrike absorbed his life. Mother takes life away. Boy takes mother's life.

You can't really believe it's that simple. Murder gets him CS for the next few hours and then the police come. Going to school could still get him a few hours of CS a night. His solution to the problem wasn't logical.
Imo his problem wasn't CS. His problem was his life, CS was his escapism from it. He was trying to get away from reality, first through computer games and then through the abdication of choice and freedom that comes through prison.


Why isn't it logical? No one who is addicted to computer games plays them because of their marvelous foresight. The immediate need overwhelms any anticipated consequences, resulting in unsound judgement. That is the nature of addiction.



You cannot become addicted to video games, how many times do people have to keep saying this! Why don't you go learn something addiction and then come back and post.

Addiction isn't limited to a physiological phenomenon. It can be purely psychological. A dictionary, a psychiatrist and a Psychology professor would all say so.
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ZeeTemplar
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States557 Posts
February 06 2010 20:47 GMT
#124
hheeaaddd shooott
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sfdrew
Profile Joined January 2010
United States201 Posts
February 06 2010 22:14 GMT
#125
On February 07 2010 05:45 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2010 05:26 sfdrew wrote:
On February 07 2010 03:29 MoltkeWarding wrote:
On February 07 2010 02:15 KwarK wrote:
On February 06 2010 21:35 MoltkeWarding wrote:
It does not require much insight to get to the heart of the matter. Boy had a computer addiction. Counterstrike absorbed his life. Mother takes life away. Boy takes mother's life.

You can't really believe it's that simple. Murder gets him CS for the next few hours and then the police come. Going to school could still get him a few hours of CS a night. His solution to the problem wasn't logical.
Imo his problem wasn't CS. His problem was his life, CS was his escapism from it. He was trying to get away from reality, first through computer games and then through the abdication of choice and freedom that comes through prison.


Why isn't it logical? No one who is addicted to computer games plays them because of their marvelous foresight. The immediate need overwhelms any anticipated consequences, resulting in unsound judgement. That is the nature of addiction.



You cannot become addicted to video games, how many times do people have to keep saying this! Why don't you go learn something addiction and then come back and post.

Addiction isn't limited to a physiological phenomenon. It can be purely psychological. A dictionary, a psychiatrist and a Psychology professor would all say so.


Everything from your consciousness to your emotions to memories is controlled by your brain; everything that goes on in your brain is a physiological phenomenon. It is well known how chemical drugs cause physical dependences but no such cause has been found for things like video games and gambling. The best you can do is find studies that show people who engage in those activities are likely to have symptoms described in the DSM related to addiction, but the DSM is nonsense. It hasn't been that long that the DSM described homosexuality as a disorder.

1) Just because something is labeled a disorder doesn't mean that is correct.

2) Just because somebody has symptoms doesn't prove their origin.

3) Even if you could prove that somebody was chemically addicted to video games, it wouldn't say anything about the cause because video games themselves cannot cause such chemical reactions.
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WaveMotion
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States147 Posts
February 06 2010 22:28 GMT
#126
first person shooters are a problem...
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MamiyaOtaru
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1687 Posts
February 06 2010 22:47 GMT
#127
I don't think anyone would say video games cause addiction. As in not everyone who plays them is at risk for becoming addicted. But that doesn't change the fact that some people are. It's obviously due to something in their makeup, and not an inherent addictiveness of video games, but they are addicted to them. And yeah if it wasn't games, it would be something else.
Jaeden
Profile Joined September 2008
Romania1489 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-06 23:18:44
February 06 2010 23:17 GMT
#128
On February 07 2010 05:22 Slow Motion wrote:
maybe the real reason he killed her is cuz the bitch named him fuckin ionut

Ionut (Ion) is the Romanian Johnny (John).
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zekie
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada380 Posts
February 06 2010 23:25 GMT
#129
On February 06 2010 10:28 [Azn]Nada wrote:
man... this is why i stopped playing CS... too violent of a game. My friends/parents all said i got a lot more aggressive when I played Counterstrike. It's really fun and stuff, but it just makes you mad so easily.


i think you're influenced by little things too easily....

and that kid is either crazy or has a mental illness IMO
starcraft911
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Korea (South)1263 Posts
February 06 2010 23:32 GMT
#130
cut his throat and move on.
Mora
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada5235 Posts
February 07 2010 00:50 GMT
#131
On February 07 2010 07:14 sfdrew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2010 05:45 Liquid`NonY wrote:
On February 07 2010 05:26 sfdrew wrote:
On February 07 2010 03:29 MoltkeWarding wrote:
On February 07 2010 02:15 KwarK wrote:
On February 06 2010 21:35 MoltkeWarding wrote:
It does not require much insight to get to the heart of the matter. Boy had a computer addiction. Counterstrike absorbed his life. Mother takes life away. Boy takes mother's life.

You can't really believe it's that simple. Murder gets him CS for the next few hours and then the police come. Going to school could still get him a few hours of CS a night. His solution to the problem wasn't logical.
Imo his problem wasn't CS. His problem was his life, CS was his escapism from it. He was trying to get away from reality, first through computer games and then through the abdication of choice and freedom that comes through prison.


Why isn't it logical? No one who is addicted to computer games plays them because of their marvelous foresight. The immediate need overwhelms any anticipated consequences, resulting in unsound judgement. That is the nature of addiction.



You cannot become addicted to video games, how many times do people have to keep saying this! Why don't you go learn something addiction and then come back and post.

Addiction isn't limited to a physiological phenomenon. It can be purely psychological. A dictionary, a psychiatrist and a Psychology professor would all say so.


Everything from your consciousness to your emotions to memories is controlled by your brain; everything that goes on in your brain is a physiological phenomenon. It is well known how chemical drugs cause physical dependences but no such cause has been found for things like video games and gambling. The best you can do is find studies that show people who engage in those activities are likely to have symptoms described in the DSM related to addiction, but the DSM is nonsense. It hasn't been that long that the DSM described homosexuality as a disorder.

1) Just because something is labeled a disorder doesn't mean that is correct.

2) Just because somebody has symptoms doesn't prove their origin.

3) Even if you could prove that somebody was chemically addicted to video games, it wouldn't say anything about the cause because video games themselves cannot cause such chemical reactions.


Are you nitpicking semantics or are you claiming that there is no condition where someone is so compelled to do something than they're willing to ruin their lives to do it. We call that psychological addiction - is your obejction of the word 'addiction', or that that condition does not exist.

Isn't it a bit naive to assume that everyone who does just that is some sort of deprived and depressed person trying to escape their life? Really?
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ryuu_
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1266 Posts
February 07 2010 00:58 GMT
#132
That kid definitely needs the help, mental problems, for sure. Although there is correlation between fps and violent games and behavior, he just went over the top. sucks for his dad..
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Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
February 07 2010 01:09 GMT
#133
On February 07 2010 09:50 Mora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2010 07:14 sfdrew wrote:
On February 07 2010 05:45 Liquid`NonY wrote:
On February 07 2010 05:26 sfdrew wrote:
On February 07 2010 03:29 MoltkeWarding wrote:
On February 07 2010 02:15 KwarK wrote:
On February 06 2010 21:35 MoltkeWarding wrote:
It does not require much insight to get to the heart of the matter. Boy had a computer addiction. Counterstrike absorbed his life. Mother takes life away. Boy takes mother's life.

You can't really believe it's that simple. Murder gets him CS for the next few hours and then the police come. Going to school could still get him a few hours of CS a night. His solution to the problem wasn't logical.
Imo his problem wasn't CS. His problem was his life, CS was his escapism from it. He was trying to get away from reality, first through computer games and then through the abdication of choice and freedom that comes through prison.


Why isn't it logical? No one who is addicted to computer games plays them because of their marvelous foresight. The immediate need overwhelms any anticipated consequences, resulting in unsound judgement. That is the nature of addiction.



You cannot become addicted to video games, how many times do people have to keep saying this! Why don't you go learn something addiction and then come back and post.

Addiction isn't limited to a physiological phenomenon. It can be purely psychological. A dictionary, a psychiatrist and a Psychology professor would all say so.


Everything from your consciousness to your emotions to memories is controlled by your brain; everything that goes on in your brain is a physiological phenomenon. It is well known how chemical drugs cause physical dependences but no such cause has been found for things like video games and gambling. The best you can do is find studies that show people who engage in those activities are likely to have symptoms described in the DSM related to addiction, but the DSM is nonsense. It hasn't been that long that the DSM described homosexuality as a disorder.

1) Just because something is labeled a disorder doesn't mean that is correct.

2) Just because somebody has symptoms doesn't prove their origin.

3) Even if you could prove that somebody was chemically addicted to video games, it wouldn't say anything about the cause because video games themselves cannot cause such chemical reactions.


Are you nitpicking semantics or are you claiming that there is no condition where someone is so compelled to do something than they're willing to ruin their lives to do it. We call that psychological addiction - is your obejction of the word 'addiction', or that that condition does not exist.

Isn't it a bit naive to assume that everyone who does just that is some sort of deprived and depressed person trying to escape their life? Really?


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sfdrew
Profile Joined January 2010
United States201 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-07 01:13:34
February 07 2010 01:09 GMT
#134
On February 07 2010 09:50 Mora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2010 07:14 sfdrew wrote:
On February 07 2010 05:45 Liquid`NonY wrote:
On February 07 2010 05:26 sfdrew wrote:
On February 07 2010 03:29 MoltkeWarding wrote:
On February 07 2010 02:15 KwarK wrote:
On February 06 2010 21:35 MoltkeWarding wrote:
It does not require much insight to get to the heart of the matter. Boy had a computer addiction. Counterstrike absorbed his life. Mother takes life away. Boy takes mother's life.

You can't really believe it's that simple. Murder gets him CS for the next few hours and then the police come. Going to school could still get him a few hours of CS a night. His solution to the problem wasn't logical.
Imo his problem wasn't CS. His problem was his life, CS was his escapism from it. He was trying to get away from reality, first through computer games and then through the abdication of choice and freedom that comes through prison.


Why isn't it logical? No one who is addicted to computer games plays them because of their marvelous foresight. The immediate need overwhelms any anticipated consequences, resulting in unsound judgement. That is the nature of addiction.



You cannot become addicted to video games, how many times do people have to keep saying this! Why don't you go learn something addiction and then come back and post.

Addiction isn't limited to a physiological phenomenon. It can be purely psychological. A dictionary, a psychiatrist and a Psychology professor would all say so.


Everything from your consciousness to your emotions to memories is controlled by your brain; everything that goes on in your brain is a physiological phenomenon. It is well known how chemical drugs cause physical dependences but no such cause has been found for things like video games and gambling. The best you can do is find studies that show people who engage in those activities are likely to have symptoms described in the DSM related to addiction, but the DSM is nonsense. It hasn't been that long that the DSM described homosexuality as a disorder.

1) Just because something is labeled a disorder doesn't mean that is correct.

2) Just because somebody has symptoms doesn't prove their origin.

3) Even if you could prove that somebody was chemically addicted to video games, it wouldn't say anything about the cause because video games themselves cannot cause such chemical reactions.


Are you nitpicking semantics or are you claiming that there is no condition where someone is so compelled to do something than they're willing to ruin their lives to do it. We call that psychological addiction - is your obejction of the word 'addiction', or that that condition does not exist.

Isn't it a bit naive to assume that everyone who does just that is some sort of deprived and depressed person trying to escape their life? Really?


I don't think they are deprived or depressed, but I do believe that most people who "play too much" really just are trying to escape their life. It could be a bad marriage, trouble at work, an illness, who knows why people aren't happy. If you are in a relationship you don't like, working for $9 an hour at a gas station and are always constantly broke, wouldn't you want to escape to a world where you can be a hero?

People with mental problems have mental problems regardless of what they do or what they become obsessed with or where they live or when they were born. Sociopaths like the kid that killed his adopted mother had mental illnesses that have nothing to do with video games or gambling or even drug addictions. If he had never played a game in his life but drank like a fish, people would blame the alcohol, or the music he listened to, or anything they wanted to wage a personal war on.

As somebody else pointed out, video games are not addicting in the way chemical drugs are. A person could conceivably become addicted to video games, but not because the games are addicting. In addition, they certainly aren't going to make somebody kill who wouldn't have done it anyways.

I used to be in the Army for 6 years and I spent 2 years in Iraq. I have shot a lot of real weapons and shot some weapons at people. I have been trained to kill people, for real, and I have also played a lot of FPS, and I can tell you right now that anybody who says that any game is a killing simulator is full of crap.


I cant build there, somethins in the way
coltrane
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Chile988 Posts
February 07 2010 03:12 GMT
#135
he shouldnt take the "I will kill you" so literaly. romnians.
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Kashll
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1117 Posts
February 07 2010 03:20 GMT
#136
On February 06 2010 23:30 Squallcloud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2010 10:00 Lobbo wrote:
The supervisor of the internet cafe noted that Ionut would come in all the time and play Counter-Strike quietly alone, with a hood over his head. She noted that he wouldn't swear like most players when he was losing, and never got angry. He would rarely speak.


Am I understanding this correctly? He was playing with a hood over his head? Like some sort of terrorist? Was he Live action roleplaying?

Dunno but if i was a cafe manager i would find this strange... O_o


Lol for all we know he could just have a hoodie sweatshirt that he really liked and the news was sensationalizing things. Not saying that is necessarily the case, just possible.
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lazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia3119 Posts
February 07 2010 03:32 GMT
#137
2. You cannot, and I repeat, CANNOT become addicted to video games. An addiction is a physical dependance. Words mean things. You can't just co-opt a word for your own use in order to steal its emphasis. Drugs cause physical dependance in the brain, video games cannot do this.


lol. you realise that when a person plays a videogames especially one like SC where there's adrenaline etc the thrill of winning releases chemicals in the brain .. thats what causes the addiction. you can become dependant on that rush just like you would a drug.
Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
February 07 2010 03:32 GMT
#138
oh wtf... =\
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nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
February 07 2010 03:35 GMT
#139
Death sentence, then use his organs as fish food ...
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craz3d
Profile Joined August 2005
Bulgaria856 Posts
February 07 2010 03:54 GMT
#140
One thing that stands out is that the kid was adopted. He was probably an orphan before and there are studies showing that Romanian orphans grow up to have a lot of issues with aggression and attachment. In other words, this is not a psychological problem, this guy knew exactly what he was doing when he killed his mother.

The sad part is that jail probably won't rehabilitate him.
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