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On February 07 2010 05:26 sfdrew wrote:
You cannot become addicted to video games, how many times do people have to keep saying this! Why don't you go learn something addiction and then come back and post.
The brain releases chemicals under certain conditions , during a game this would be adrenalin.
It is possible to become addicted to the release of adrenalin.
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that kid is a true gamer, going to an internet cafe after committing murder
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On February 07 2010 13:23 PobTheCad wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2010 05:26 sfdrew wrote:
You cannot become addicted to video games, how many times do people have to keep saying this! Why don't you go learn something addiction and then come back and post. The brain releases chemicals under certain conditions , during a game this would be adrenalin. It is possible to become addicted to the release of adrenalin.
Have these chemicals been seen? Where can I see a picture of adrenaline under a microscope?
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On February 07 2010 10:09 sfdrew wrote:
I don't think they are deprived or depressed, but I do believe that most people who "play too much" really just are trying to escape their life. It could be a bad marriage, trouble at work, an illness, who knows why people aren't happy. If you are in a relationship you don't like, working for $9 an hour at a gas station and are always constantly broke, wouldn't you want to escape to a world where you can be a hero?
I was completely happy when i was 14-19 and played massive amounts of whatever games i could get. I was super social and outgoing, i drank like everyone else and smoked pot occasionally( just throwing this in since some retards think it equals socializing), i had a girlfriend and i did sports like muay thai/ran track/played soccer. Never at that point i was trying to escape the reality. I sometimes skipped classes/practice just to play games on my computer or go to pc place. Ive spent nights playing starcraft. Ive skipped work. Your argument is BASELESS. If im constantly broke and my life is completely crumbled i wouldnt be able to waste my time playing. I wouldnt even enjoy it for a minute
People with mental problems have mental problems regardless of what they do or what they become obsessed with or where they live or when they were born. Sociopaths like the kid that killed his adopted mother had mental illnesses that have nothing to do with video games or gambling or even drug addictions. If he had never played a game in his life but drank like a fish, people would blame the alcohol, or the music he listened to, or anything they wanted to wage a personal war on.
what does this have to do with anything? youre arguing about addictions
As somebody else pointed out, video games are not addicting in the way chemical drugs are. A person could conceivably become addicted to video games, but not because the games are addicting. In addition, they certainly aren't going to make somebody kill who wouldn't have done it anyways.
games could be addictive. Internet is addictive. Pissing outside standing on your porch could be addictive. Amphetamine is addictive. Alcohol is addictive even before the physical addiction develops. Its called PSYCHOLOGICAL addiction. Its a completely legit term used in therapy.
I used to be in the Army for 6 years and I spent 2 years in Iraq. I have shot a lot of real weapons and shot some weapons at people. I have been trained to kill people, for real, and I have also played a lot of FPS, and I can tell you right now that anybody who says that any game is a killing simulator is full of crap.
clap clap? Let me use some of the generalizations similar to the ones youve used. Did you fail at life that much? Could you not pay your credit? No college accepted you? Did you just like guns and felt like your balls would grow little bigger so you can actually please your girlfriend for once?
then again, youve played a lot of fps. Considering what you said above, your life mustve been hell.
/tear
just no. Completely sane and happy people play computer games too. And some of them get addicted. WoW is a bright example. Starcrack is another one. Ask anyone good( to be addicted to bw you have to become good, otherwise you probably wont even know what its like)
On February 07 2010 13:44 neVern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2010 13:23 PobTheCad wrote:On February 07 2010 05:26 sfdrew wrote:
You cannot become addicted to video games, how many times do people have to keep saying this! Why don't you go learn something addiction and then come back and post. The brain releases chemicals under certain conditions , during a game this would be adrenalin. It is possible to become addicted to the release of adrenalin. Have these chemicals been seen? Where can I see a picture of adrenaline under a microscope?
i hope this is undetectable sarcasm?
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On February 07 2010 10:09 sfdrew wrote:
People with mental problems have mental problems regardless of what they do or what they become obsessed with or where they live or when they were born. Sociopaths like the kid that killed his adopted mother had mental illnesses that have nothing to do with video games or gambling or even drug addictions. If he had never played a game in his life but drank like a fish, people would blame the alcohol, or the music he listened to, or anything they wanted to wage a personal war on.
A lot of truth here, given a large enough population of gamers, there is a chance that some messed up cowboy will play it too. We can blame what they do, but there are people that have psychological problems to begin with (or a there are a host of other factors ranging from nature to nurture.) But fps causes murder makes a nice sound bite news story.
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On February 07 2010 14:08 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2010 10:09 sfdrew wrote:
People with mental problems have mental problems regardless of what they do or what they become obsessed with or where they live or when they were born. Sociopaths like the kid that killed his adopted mother had mental illnesses that have nothing to do with video games or gambling or even drug addictions. If he had never played a game in his life but drank like a fish, people would blame the alcohol, or the music he listened to, or anything they wanted to wage a personal war on.
A lot of truth here, given a large enough population of gamers, there is a chance that some messed up cowboy will play it too. We can blame what they do, but there are people that have psychological problems to begin with (or a there are a host of other factors ranging from nature to nurture.) But fps causes murder makes a nice sound bite news story.
is blaming the murder on video games equivalent to blaming terrorism on religion?
(not trolling i'm just too drunk to think this out on my own)
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the title and message are so misleading, it should be something like: 15 year old (who was absent from school 200 times previously) stabbed his STEP mother 17 times.
Why was he playing games so much? Isn't it a parents responsibility to regulate their child's consumption of different things?
They are so obviously targeting the old "video games are evil" people and overprotective mothers.
i HATE sensationalist bullshit journalism, i wanna be a journalist and this fucking HURTS.
edit: they leave out so much of the story and you can tell there is such a giant gap in the plot
People have been said to have killed over other retarded shit like "The Catcher in The Rye" and Death Note. Obviously these things did not cause the killings, it is the person and not the object.
Certain people when enough psychologically distraught would kill over hello kitty.
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@sassy
I feel sorry for you, not because you are ignorant, but because you are willfully so. Your personal experience makes my argument baseless? You can chalk them both up to subjective speculation and cross them out if you want, but don't' pretend like your subjective opinions are more valid than mine are.
what does this have to do with anything? youre arguing about addictions
It has to do with people making excuses. All forms of violent behavior existed before video games. The kid who killed his adopted mother was a sociopath. Addicted or not, violent or not, video games had nothing to do with his killing his mother; people will however, point the finger and say "see, he was addicted to violent video games, that must be the problem, get rid of the games and this will never happen again." What a bunch of nonsense. Activists like to accuse everything they don't' like as being addictive so they have an excuse to try and get rid of it, even when it doesn't make sense.
games could be addictive. Internet is addictive. Pissing outside standing on your porch could be addictive. Amphetamine is addictive. Alcohol is addictive even before the physical addiction develops. Its called PSYCHOLOGICAL addiction. Its a completely legit term used in therapy.
The idea of a psychological addiction is nonsense. Being addicted means that you can't control it, which can be caused by chemical dependence, or mental illness. If that kid was addicted to video games it was because there was something wrong with his brain, not anything wrong with the video games. Drugs can cause chemical dependence, but video games can't. Making bad decisions is not the same thing as an addiction.
People who make arguments that violent games make kids commit violent acts don't know anything about violent games or real violence. I happen to know a lot about both. You can play a game about gay sex all day and all night for the next ten years and it won't make it any easier for you in real life if you are straight. If playing games could really turn somebody into a killer then the Army wouldn't waste time training people, they would just stick a controller in their hands all day. No simulation can ever come close to preparing somebody for the real thing. Even the very realistic, real life training I received didn't prepare me, because it can't, and any video game certainly won't.
Killers are killers, plain and simple. No game is going to turn a non-killer into a killer. Blaming a murder on an "addiction" to violent video games is such an ignorant position that it is almost insulting to a person like me.
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On February 08 2010 04:19 sfdrew wrote:@sassy I feel sorry for you, not because you are ignorant, but because you are willfully so. Your personal experience makes my argument baseless? You can chalk them both up to subjective speculation and cross them out if you want, but don't' pretend like your subjective opinions are more valid than mine are. It has to do with people making excuses. All forms of violent behavior existed before video games. The kid who killed his adopted mother was a sociopath. Addicted or not, violent or not, video games had nothing to do with his killing his mother; people will however, point the finger and say "see, he was addicted to violent video games, that must be the problem, get rid of the games and this will never happen again." What a bunch of nonsense. Activists like to accuse everything they don't' like as being addictive so they have an excuse to try and get rid of it, even when it doesn't make sense. Show nested quote +games could be addictive. Internet is addictive. Pissing outside standing on your porch could be addictive. Amphetamine is addictive. Alcohol is addictive even before the physical addiction develops. Its called PSYCHOLOGICAL addiction. Its a completely legit term used in therapy. The idea of a psychological addiction is nonsense. Being addicted means that you can't control it, which can be caused by chemical dependence, or mental illness. If that kid was addicted to video games it was because there was something wrong with his brain, not anything wrong with the video games. Drugs can cause chemical dependence, but video games can't. Making bad decisions is not the same thing as an addiction. People who make arguments that violent games make kids commit violent acts don't know anything about violent games or real violence. I happen to know a lot about both. You can play a game about gay sex all day and all night for the next ten years and it won't make it any easier for you in real life if you are straight. If playing games could really turn somebody into a killer then the Army wouldn't waste time training people, they would just stick a controller in their hands all day. No simulation can ever come close to preparing somebody for the real thing. Even the very realistic, real life training I received didn't prepare me, because it can't, and any video game certainly won't. Killers are killers, plain and simple. No game is going to turn a non-killer into a killer. Blaming a murder on an "addiction" to violent video games is such an ignorant position that it is almost insulting to a person like me.
Um I like how you think through your bullshit theories and all, but they have to nothing to do with reality and psychological evidence. Addiction is only partially physical, even when you are dealing with drugs and alcohol. It is mostly emotional and mental. People do things that they found give them pleasure and makes them forget about the emptiness, awkwardness, and the sense of feeling "wrong" that they have almost always have had inside. And once you start on the cycle, there is a fairly predictable path they will follow with whatever "drug" of choice: marijiuana, meth, gambling, alcohol, sex, games, or whatever than can cause you to escape from yourself and your own head for even a moment.
No one is blaming addiction. If you meet many addicts, most of them are good, responsible people who for some reason cannot control one small facet of their life and it bleeds over to everything else. Of course those who have serious mental illnesses such as being psychotic or schizophrenic would also be naturally inclined to go towards whatever escape they can find, and you will find a few of those at AA, NA, GA, or whatever addict meetings.
Now this guy was addicted to video games most obviously, but he was also highly probable of being psychotic simply for the fact that once someone got in the way of him and whatever made him feel better, he felt the need to kill and had zero remorse and did not perceive of what he was doing and what he did when he stabbed his mother 17 times as wrong.
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Addiction is only partially physical, even when you are dealing with drugs and alcohol. It is mostly emotional and mental.
And where exactly do you think emotions reside if not physically? I hate to break it to you, but there isn't anything beyond the physical. Everything that makes you who you are relies on electrical impulses and chemicals being passed around your physical brain. You don't have some soul floating around somewhere. Everything is physical, there is no such thing as non-physical. You aren't anything more than organic matter, period.
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The boy lacks empathy, he is a psychopath I'll misquote the article here: "Where other boys would get angry and frustrated when they die in the game, he would stay calm"
Plus the fact that he stabbed her 17 times and not just once or twice.
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On February 07 2010 00:12 XiaoJoyce- wrote:With a hood, seldom talks.. Maybe he is roleplaying some cool bad guy who rarely talks but kills. I don't know, I felt I was like him a few years ago. I remembered few years ago, there were times that I felt my boyfriend wasn't paying that much attention to me. So sometimes I just get angry for no reason and do some stupid stuffs to...erm..make my pressence felt lols. Broke up in the end :'[ I did alot ridiculous stuffs like pointing middle finger @ him and things that I won't normally do. Hahas, so childish and stupid back then. Maybe he is the same like me. He wants to speak out something from his heart, but too shy n introvert to do so. Then keep skipping classes and play games more to grab some attention. Or maybe he hates step mother doing ridiculous thingy with him and complained to father yet father side with the step mother which builds up some anger. Then cutting off internet is the last straw thus he knifed the mother. Hahas I could go on and on and on. 
Best post in this thread
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On February 08 2010 04:49 sfdrew wrote:Show nested quote +Addiction is only partially physical, even when you are dealing with drugs and alcohol. It is mostly emotional and mental. And where exactly do you think emotions reside if not physically? I hate to break it to you, but there isn't anything beyond the physical. Everything that makes you who you are relies on electrical impulses and chemicals being passed around your physical brain. You don't have some soul floating around somewhere. Everything is physical, there is no such thing as non-physical. You aren't anything more than organic matter, period.
Your reductionism still does disprove anything I said, since I also said mental. So going by what you said this kid had a chemical imbalances of some sort that made him predisposed to addiction and was part of his psychosis.
You are just trying to justify some bullshit idea, which you haven't explained properly, probably to yourself more than anyone here. Addiction is proven with brain scans, even as infantile the technology and understanding is right now (although every year is gets better), even addiction to so call "unaddictive" substances shows the brain reacts differently than a normal person to triggers.
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On February 07 2010 03:29 MoltkeWarding wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2010 02:15 KwarK wrote:On February 06 2010 21:35 MoltkeWarding wrote:
It does not require much insight to get to the heart of the matter. Boy had a computer addiction. Counterstrike absorbed his life. Mother takes life away. Boy takes mother's life. You can't really believe it's that simple. Murder gets him CS for the next few hours and then the police come. Going to school could still get him a few hours of CS a night. His solution to the problem wasn't logical. Imo his problem wasn't CS. His problem was his life, CS was his escapism from it. He was trying to get away from reality, first through computer games and then through the abdication of choice and freedom that comes through prison. Why isn't it logical? No one who is addicted to computer games plays them because of their marvelous foresight. The immediate need overwhelms any anticipated consequences, resulting in unsound judgement. That is the nature of addiction.
They play them because they enjoy them but that enjoyment doesn't mean there is no sense of restraint or logic. Say you want to get laid, you could go out and rape a girl then get arrested and spend years in prison or you could court one and get the end result later but more.
Just because the goal isn't profitable doesn't mean the attainment of the goal must be illogical.
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On February 08 2010 04:49 sfdrew wrote:Show nested quote +Addiction is only partially physical, even when you are dealing with drugs and alcohol. It is mostly emotional and mental. And where exactly do you think emotions reside if not physically? I hate to break it to you, but there isn't anything beyond the physical. Everything that makes you who you are relies on electrical impulses and chemicals being passed around your physical brain. You don't have some soul floating around somewhere. Everything is physical, there is no such thing as non-physical. You aren't anything more than organic matter, period.
You don't need to postulate some sort of supernatural to explain emotions. Unless you and everyone else doesn't feel anything, it's perfectly reasonable to assume that emotions are a result of a complex physical process. The emotional and the mental are very real, and whether or not you think they're the result of a physical process or not, very little is changed in terms of your experience.
-e- experience as opposed to your rational reflection upon your experiences
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On February 06 2010 17:16 Probe. wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2010 17:06 Khul Sadukar wrote:On February 06 2010 10:28 [Azn]Nada wrote:
man... this is why i stopped playing CS... too violent of a game. My friends/parents all said i got a lot more aggressive when I played Counterstrike. It's really fun and stuff, but it just makes you mad so easily. FPS makes me rage too. But then again if im kicking ass its better than any other kind of pwnage. It all depends how emotionally attached you become to something. It can happen with anything really. But anger taken to the extreme to go murder someone, there are far more factors involved. The kid was soo dependant on the internet (a way to escape reality), regardless of what he used it for the sudden disconnection could be interpreted as loosing his freedom. They said he was pretty emotionless so its obvious he bottled up all his feelings about everything. Losing his outlet sent him over the edge. On February 06 2010 11:42 Purind wrote:
He plays a violent video game involving knife stabbing and he killed another human being with a violent knife stabbing. It is very clear that video games are the direct cause of this behaviour. Please, stop the violence. Please ban video games from all households I wonder if all mass murderers are gamers too? We're they influenced by video games to go out on killing sprees?
Please enlighten us about the correlation and show some facts.On February 06 2010 12:00 StorrZerg wrote:
Are there any cases of people playing sports and going nuts and killing? Theres the case of the Pro-Wrestler Chris Benoit murdering his family. Found to be the result of multiple concussions suffered throughout his career that were never investigated (he only ever went to his family doctor), and thus suffered from paranoia etc. Truly tragic story which has prompted for better health care of all athletes in high impact sports. Is it really that hard to see sarcasm on the internet?
yea it is when u see ppl say the same kind of thing all the time who actually believe it.
my bad for assuming u were one of em.
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On February 07 2010 13:48 sassy wrote:Show nested quote +
People with mental problems have mental problems regardless of what they do or what they become obsessed with or where they live or when they were born. Sociopaths like the kid that killed his adopted mother had mental illnesses that have nothing to do with video games or gambling or even drug addictions. If he had never played a game in his life but drank like a fish, people would blame the alcohol, or the music he listened to, or anything they wanted to wage a personal war on.
what does this have to do with anything? youre arguing about addictions
Regardless of the reductionism argument that followed, this has everything to do with this topic. Are fps or computers games in general addictive enough to cause an otherwise mentally and emotionally stable individual to violently murder his adoptive parent? Or were they mentally or emotionally unstable to begin with who also played fps? (Or do fps's attract this sort of people.) Or given a large enough population, is it just a matter of probability that an unstable individual will play. To simply say that fps's are the single contributing factor is so simplistic.
On February 07 2010 13:48 sassy wrote:Show nested quote +
I used to be in the Army for 6 years and I spent 2 years in Iraq. I have shot a lot of real weapons and shot some weapons at people. I have been trained to kill people, for real, and I have also played a lot of FPS, and I can tell you right now that anybody who says that any game is a killing simulator is full of crap.
clap clap? Let me use some of the generalizations similar to the ones youve used. Did you fail at life that much? Could you not pay your credit? No college accepted you? Did you just like guns and felt like your balls would grow little bigger so you can actually please your girlfriend for once? then again, youve played a lot of fps. Considering what you said above, your life mustve been hell. /tear
Why the venom? Why is it so hard to think that there is a wide gulf between computer games and training to kill a living, breathing human.
On February 07 2010 13:48 sassy wrote:
just no. Completely sane and happy people play computer games too. And some of them get addicted. WoW is a bright example. Starcrack is another one. Ask anyone good( to be addicted to bw you have to become good, otherwise you probably wont even know what its like)
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It's true that sane and happy people play computer games- I would say the majority are. That wasn't the point. The question is does that computer game take that same sane and happy individual and turn them into a person who will kill. Or was there an underlying problem that would have shown up irrespective of playing computer games.
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I hope this guy gets locked up before he kills anyone else.
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