"A 15-year-old Romanian boy has killed his adoptive mother after she refused to pay the Internet bills. Ionut Silviu Savin, who is known to be dependant on video games, stabbed his adoptive parent 17 times before leaving to play Counter-Strike at a local internet cafe.
She had considered that the only solution for Ionut to no longer spend much time in front of the computer was to no longer pay Internet fees. This decision would result in her death.
The tragedy happened on Wednesday. Only three hours after stabbing the woman, Ionut was seen at his favourite internet cafe, where he played the violent shooter Counter-Strike for four hours. The cops later discovered Ionut had taken all the money he had found at his house.
The woman's dead body was discovered by her husband, as he returned home from work. Immediately he called the police. However, Ionut turned himself in to the police of his own accord, calmly saying "I think I'm the one you're looking for."
The boy was addicted to gaming and the internet. Ultimately his addiction led to him staying at home and not going out with friends. He clocked up over 200 absences from school.
The supervisor of the internet cafe noted that Ionut would come in all the time and play Counter-Strike quietly alone, with a hood over his head. She noted that he wouldn't swear like most players when he was losing, and never got angry. He would rarely speak.
His teacher called him "quiet" and "introverted".
However, his actions surrounding this tragedy have shocked everybody close to him.
Ionut discarded the murder weapon in a garbage container. Police later found the weapon at a nearby landfill.
Ionut is currently hospitalised under guard in a psychiatric clinic. Psychiatric examinations will reveal if Ionut was fully competent at the time of the crime. If he is found guilty of murder he faces 12 years in prison. Experts have commented that the nature of the crime (17 stabs) is indicative of mental health problems."
It's tough to have clear opinions about this since the kid obviously is mentally unstable, which isn't necessarily the result of playing counter strike.
I think this kid was just addicted to the point where he will do anything just to continue playing Counterstrike. Computer game addictions and drug addictions are not too different if you ask me.
200 absences from school tells me this kid is trying to run away from something in his life. This is a kid that's crying out for help, but no one heard him. It's sad that things end up this way, but you'd think that 200 absences from school is not something that you fix by cutting the internet off.
/edit - Just wanted to say that video games had nothing to do with this. If it wasn't video games, it would be drugs, gangs, robberies - video games are a symptom of his problem and not a cause.
Now if the C and the S and switched around, he would of been much better with a chance of getting a job that can pay 200k a year if he gets god at it.
But seriously, they think he had mental problems because he stabbed her 17 times? Did he stab her 7 times too many?? So if I kill someone and stab them 40 something times after they are dead, does my punishment become lighter because I wasn't in my proper state of mind?
On February 06 2010 10:10 DefMatrixUltra wrote: 200 absences from school tells me this kid is trying to run away from something in his life. This is a kid that's crying out for help, but no one heard him. It's sad that things end up this way, but you'd think that 200 absences from school is not something that you fix by cutting the internet off.
/edit - Just wanted to say that video games had nothing to do with this. If it wasn't video games, it would be drugs, gangs, robberies - video games are a symptom of his problem and not a cause.
This. Of course I'm sure we will only hear more about how 'good' his family life was, and how CS was the real cause (with a minor mention of death metal or something).
If he played StarCraft, he'd go up to his mom and say "I sent three control groups of zerglings in a perfect three way flank. You're going to die to my superior micro. You just wait................."
man... this is why i stopped playing CS... too violent of a game. My friends/parents all said i got a lot more aggressive when I played Counterstrike. It's really fun and stuff, but it just makes you mad so easily.
On February 06 2010 10:28 [Azn]Nada wrote: man... this is why i stopped playing CS... too violent of a game. My friends/parents all said i got a lot more aggressive when I played Counterstrike. It's really fun and stuff, but it just makes you mad so easily.
counter strike counts as violent? lol. I did not note any increased rage when I played CS.
This isn't a problem about violent video games causing violent behavior in teens. The underlying problem is video game addiction.
Parents let him miss 200 days of school? I know they tried to help by not having internet but they should have dont something before this happened, really sad.
On February 06 2010 10:28 [Azn]Nada wrote: man... this is why i stopped playing CS... too violent of a game. My friends/parents all said i got a lot more aggressive when I played Counterstrike. It's really fun and stuff, but it just makes you mad so easily.
counter strike counts as violent? lol. I did not note any increased rage when I played CS.
This isn't a problem about violent video games causing violent behavior in teens. The underlying problem is video game addiction.
Yea.. I guess this is true, but I mean i got addicted to Starcraft (6 hours a day for half a year), but I never did act violent when my parents wouldn't let me play. I'd just whine and sleep with my ipod on max for a bit. Counterstrike.. I got so pissed when people AWP/Ak ed me from behind and stuff and my fits were apparently quite scary >.>
On February 06 2010 10:28 [Azn]Nada wrote: man... this is why i stopped playing CS... too violent of a game. My friends/parents all said i got a lot more aggressive when I played Counterstrike. It's really fun and stuff, but it just makes you mad so easily.
counter strike counts as violent? lol. I did not note any increased rage when I played CS.
This isn't a problem about violent video games causing violent behavior in teens. The underlying problem is video game addiction.
Yea.. I guess this is true, but I mean i got addicted to Starcraft (6 hours a day for half a year), but I never did act violent when my parents wouldn't let me play. I'd just whine and sleep with my ipod on max for a bit. Counterstrike.. I got so pissed when people AWP/Ak ed me from behind and stuff and my fits were apparently quite scary >.>
Bw made me rage way more than any other games lol. Worst thing is when you are paired with idiots in 2v2 >.<
On February 06 2010 10:10 DefMatrixUltra wrote: 200 absences from school tells me this kid is trying to run away from something in his life. This is a kid that's crying out for help, but no one heard him. It's sad that things end up this way, but you'd think that 200 absences from school is not something that you fix by cutting the internet off.
/edit - Just wanted to say that video games had nothing to do with this. If it wasn't video games, it would be drugs, gangs, robberies - video games are a symptom of his problem and not a cause.
Indeed. Take a hint from Day[9]'s Starcraft commentary, the source of the problem is always, always in the past.
The worst i've ever raged is ALT F4'ing while playing Starcraft. I didn't actually know such a large proportion of gamers physically flipped so much shit while playing.
Damn how do you stab someone to death and only get 12 years? Is it his age? I mean at 15 I damn sure knew stabbing someone to death was a big effin no-no. Sad thing is she was trying to help him.
The hardest I ever think I raged was like banging my hand on my desk when I got sniped in a CoD4 Search game.
The kid has to have mental problems, especially considering he missed 200 days of school, like people have said, that's such an obvious sign.
The best part about all this is once the media gets wind of this I get to spend the next two months being closely observed because I play realistic FPS games. Funnnnn.
On February 06 2010 10:11 Rigodon666 wrote: Why would he give a fuck about internet connection at home when he was playing at an internet cafe most of the time?
Knowing that the kid had 200 absentees, I'm surprised that nobody intervened any sooner. Hmm. Never ceases to amaze me how people can ignore such dramatic signs thats something is wrong. I really feel sorry for the family. I didn't catch if the kid had a step father as well but it must be hell for him.I can't imagine what it would be like to take in a kid as your own, and have him commit an evil act like that.
Fucking scary how he could just go on normally playing the game after murdering his own mom. It gives me the creeps.He must be a truly fucked up kid to have killed and been so casual about it. Grown ups will probably blame the violence of the video game, that it somehow is the cause of it. Hardly the case though. Just like in a school shooting you can't really try to make sense of it. This is another case of a fucked up kid going off, & the media will probably yell GAME VIOLENCE !!!
On February 06 2010 11:06 ghermination wrote: The worst i've ever raged is ALT F4'ing while playing Starcraft. I didn't actually know such a large proportion of gamers physically flipped so much shit while playing.
Large proportion of gamers? There are like a couple news stories a year and there are hundreds of millions of gamers. Don't be misled into thinking this is common.
On February 06 2010 10:28 [Azn]Nada wrote: man... this is why i stopped playing CS... too violent of a game. My friends/parents all said i got a lot more aggressive when I played Counterstrike. It's really fun and stuff, but it just makes you mad so easily.
On February 06 2010 10:28 [Azn]Nada wrote: man... this is why i stopped playing CS... too violent of a game. My friends/parents all said i got a lot more aggressive when I played Counterstrike. It's really fun and stuff, but it just makes you mad so easily.
counter strike counts as violent? lol. I did not note any increased rage when I played CS.
This isn't a problem about violent video games causing violent behavior in teens. The underlying problem is video game addiction.
Yea.. I guess this is true, but I mean i got addicted to Starcraft (6 hours a day for half a year), but I never did act violent when my parents wouldn't let me play. I'd just whine and sleep with my ipod on max for a bit. Counterstrike.. I got so pissed when people AWP/Ak ed me from behind and stuff and my fits were apparently quite scary >.>
I never used to get mad playing CS. Frustrated at teammates, yes, but not really mad.
On February 06 2010 10:17 prototype. wrote: this would never have happened if he played starcraft
I remember some kid that was DT rushed or something and sent into a rage went out and stabbed some random girl here in Stockholm.. Was like last year iirc. Our media even tried to put the blame on the "violent war simulation" that is scbw.
On February 06 2010 10:17 prototype. wrote: this would never have happened if he played starcraft
I remember some kid that was DT rushed or something and sent into a rage went out and stabbed some random girl here in Stockholm.. Was like last year iirc. Our media even tried to put the blame on the "violent war simulation" that is scbw.
Blame blizzard not the game. fucking dt's need fix
On February 06 2010 10:17 prototype. wrote: this would never have happened if he played starcraft
I remember some kid that was DT rushed or something and sent into a rage went out and stabbed some random girl here in Stockholm.. Was like last year iirc. Our media even tried to put the blame on the "violent war simulation" that is scbw.
And I'm also pretty sure that this story will ignite a new controversy over video games and how they make freaking killing machines out of normals kids... Every time some activist/politician goes after video games I remember this:
He plays a violent video game involving knife stabbing and he killed another human being with a violent knife stabbing. It is very clear that video games are the direct cause of this behaviour. Please, stop the violence. Please ban video games from all households
On February 06 2010 11:27 Warrior Madness wrote: Knowing that the kid had 200 absentees, I'm surprised that nobody intervened any sooner. Hmm. Never ceases to amaze me how people can ignore such dramatic signs thats something is wrong.
and by wrong, you mean normal, right?
what kid actually wants to go to school? either you're a huge nerd or an over-achiever. Everyone else would pretty much rather be anywhere but at school.
Him missing 200 days of school isn't representative that the kid is unstable, it's representative of how fucking inept his parents are.
I missed probably around 200 days of school too (29% attendance, however many days that is) and it wasn't cause i was mentally unstable. I preferred smoking pot, playing starcraft, wacking off, watching TV, or whatever else that i found more fun than sitting in a class where adults pretend to teach you something all day long.
Something was terribly wrong - what kind of parents let you drop out of school at 15 years old?
I wasn't ready to stab anyone, i just needed some proper direction and discipline.
On February 06 2010 10:17 prototype. wrote: this would never have happened if he played starcraft
I remember some kid that was DT rushed or something and sent into a rage went out and stabbed some random girl here in Stockholm.. Was like last year iirc. Our media even tried to put the blame on the "violent war simulation" that is scbw.
On February 06 2010 11:42 Purind wrote: He plays a violent video game involving knife stabbing and he killed another human being with a violent knife stabbing. It is very clear that video games are the direct cause of this behaviour. Please, stop the violence. Please ban video games from all households
/signed we have to stop video games before everyone dies from videogames. just yesterday i saw a obama assasination game on warcraft 3. if this person were to go pro at this ums map i fear for our presidents life. imagine if moon or jaedong were to play this map. WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE, STRATEGY GAMES ARE MASS KILLING SIMULATORS. right now as we speak JAEDONG AND FLASH ARE DEVELOPING A STRATEGY TO TAKE DOWN THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT. HOW DO I KNOW THIS? i watch fox news.
On February 06 2010 10:17 prototype. wrote: this would never have happened if he played starcraft
I remember some kid that was DT rushed or something and sent into a rage went out and stabbed some random girl here in Stockholm.. Was like last year iirc. Our media even tried to put the blame on the "violent war simulation" that is scbw.
On February 06 2010 10:17 prototype. wrote: this would never have happened if he played starcraft
I remember some kid that was DT rushed or something and sent into a rage went out and stabbed some random girl here in Stockholm.. Was like last year iirc. Our media even tried to put the blame on the "violent war simulation" that is scbw.
On February 06 2010 10:28 [Azn]Nada wrote: man... this is why i stopped playing CS... too violent of a game. My friends/parents all said i got a lot more aggressive when I played Counterstrike. It's really fun and stuff, but it just makes you mad so easily.
FPS makes me rage too. But then again if im kicking ass its better than any other kind of pwnage. It all depends how emotionally attached you become to something. It can happen with anything really.
But anger taken to the extreme to go murder someone, there are far more factors involved. The kid was soo dependant on the internet (a way to escape reality), regardless of what he used it for the sudden disconnection could be interpreted as loosing his freedom. They said he was pretty emotionless so its obvious he bottled up all his feelings about everything. Losing his outlet sent him over the edge.
On February 06 2010 11:42 Purind wrote: He plays a violent video game involving knife stabbing and he killed another human being with a violent knife stabbing. It is very clear that video games are the direct cause of this behaviour. Please, stop the violence. Please ban video games from all households
I wonder if all mass murderers are gamers too? We're they influenced by video games to go out on killing sprees?
Please enlighten us about the correlation and show some facts.
On February 06 2010 12:00 StorrZerg wrote: Are there any cases of people playing sports and going nuts and killing?
Theres the case of the Pro-Wrestler Chris Benoit murdering his family. Found to be the result of multiple concussions suffered throughout his career that were never investigated (he only ever went to his family doctor), and thus suffered from paranoia etc. Truly tragic story which has prompted for better health care of all athletes in high impact sports.
On February 06 2010 10:28 [Azn]Nada wrote: man... this is why i stopped playing CS... too violent of a game. My friends/parents all said i got a lot more aggressive when I played Counterstrike. It's really fun and stuff, but it just makes you mad so easily.
FPS makes me rage too. But then again if im kicking ass its better than any other kind of pwnage. It all depends how emotionally attached you become to something. It can happen with anything really.
But anger taken to the extreme to go murder someone, there are far more factors involved. The kid was soo dependant on the internet (a way to escape reality), regardless of what he used it for the sudden disconnection could be interpreted as loosing his freedom. They said he was pretty emotionless so its obvious he bottled up all his feelings about everything. Losing his outlet sent him over the edge.
On February 06 2010 11:42 Purind wrote: He plays a violent video game involving knife stabbing and he killed another human being with a violent knife stabbing. It is very clear that video games are the direct cause of this behaviour. Please, stop the violence. Please ban video games from all households
I wonder if all mass murderers are gamers too? We're they influenced by video games to go out on killing sprees?
Please enlighten us about the correlation and show some facts.
On February 06 2010 12:00 StorrZerg wrote: Are there any cases of people playing sports and going nuts and killing?
Theres the case of the Pro-Wrestler Chris Benoit murdering his family. Found to be the result of multiple concussions suffered throughout his career that were never investigated (he only ever went to his family doctor), and thus suffered from paranoia etc. Truly tragic story which has prompted for better health care of all athletes in high impact sports.
Is it really that hard to see sarcasm on the internet?
On February 06 2010 10:11 Rigodon666 wrote: Why would he give a fuck about internet connection at home when he was playing at an internet cafe most of the time?
Link it with the absences then playing at the internet cafe during schooltime as he would not be able to do so without getting caught for bunking would be my guess. So he'd still use net at home.
Otherwise this story doesn't make much sense, but then I guess stabbing your mother 17 times over a video game isn't the most sensible thing in the world...
His problem was that he wasn't emotionally attached - he's completely sociopathic. You're all safe because you get pissed of in CS, but this kid didn't care at all. When the reality of having no internet and losing the life he knew was apparent he flipped out. The problem wasn't necessarily the content of the video game, it was the fact that his life was created around CS
On February 06 2010 17:24 meeple wrote: I never get tired of these shock stories, despite the fact that they're littered all over the place by anti-gaming lobbyists
that doesn't erase the fact that he killed his mother
On February 06 2010 11:10 Spider-Mine wrote: Damn how do you stab someone to death and only get 12 years? Is it his age? I mean at 15 I damn sure knew stabbing someone to death was a big effin no-no. Sad thing is she was trying to help him.
Hate to say this but in my opinion his mother was the stupid one. How can she not care for his child for so much time? Kids are more vulnerable that some of the parents imagine.
He didn't kill his mother, he killed his adoptive mother. I know it might sound like nitpicking, but it just could be where the problem was.
Mora said something which just might help find the underlying reason. He needed proper guidance and discipline. Something he most likely didn't get from his non-biological parents; were it due to lack of respect towards them or from them, but the reason might lie somewhere in there.
Poor household dynamics and the feeling of not belonging are main factors which lead to such compulsive introvert behaviour, and one needs to be careful when trying to violently rip of the last sanctuary from a troubled young man. Professional help in the methods of councelling and therapy should be sought first (independently by the parents without involving the child at first to get the right guidelines on how to behave, and then with the child or by sending the child to go in alone).
Kid has issues, don't take away the only thing he wants to do without having something concrete to fill the void.
But yeah, lets blame the game.
Edit: Not saying her biological parents could've done any better job, or that there's something inherently wrong with adoptive parents. All considered, they should be better than the average due to the great will to get a child to nurture. Might've been just that it wasn't all peachy with the kid.
On February 06 2010 18:19 IceCube wrote: On the side note I often think about killing ppl who distracts me from my SC games. But I never actually do it
Never heard about this on the news. Probably because the few times I watch TV I spend watching political TV programs, but still, strange that I didn't hear about it.
On February 06 2010 18:10 Kusimuumi wrote: He didn't kill his mother, he killed his adoptive mother. I know it might sound like nitpicking, but it just could be where the problem was.
Mora said something which just might help find the underlying reason. He needed proper guidance and discipline. Something he most likely didn't get from his non-biological parents; were it due to lack of respect towards them or from them, but the reason might lie somewhere in there.
Poor household dynamics and the feeling of not belonging are main factors which lead to such compulsive introvert behaviour, and one needs to be careful when trying to violently rip of the last sanctuary from a troubled young man. Professional help in the methods of councelling and therapy should be sought first (independently by the parents without involving the child at first to get the right guidelines on how to behave, and then with the child or by sending the child to go in alone).
Kid has issues, don't take away the only thing he wants to do without having something concrete to fill the void.
But yeah, lets blame the game.
Edit: Not saying her biological parents could've done any better job, or that there's something inherently wrong with adoptive parents. All considered, they should be better than the average due to the great will to get a child to nurture. Might've been just that it wasn't all peachy with the kid.
Child abuse would have been the easier solution. Hit that kid across the face a few times, keep em in check, show em who's boss. Probably won't dare to play video games ever again, much less stab you 17 times.
On February 06 2010 18:19 IceCube wrote: On the side note I often think about killing ppl who distracts me from my SC games. But I never actually do it
Shit.. really?
No, dude. Ofc not, lol. They really need to incorporate some kind of sarcasm code... hehehe
On February 06 2010 18:26 fallingdream wrote: Never heard about this on the news. Probably because the few times I watch TV I spend watching political TV programs, but still, strange that I didn't hear about it.
On February 06 2010 10:10 meegrean wrote: I think this kid was just addicted to the point where he will do anything just to continue playing Counterstrike. Computer game addictions and drug addictions are not too different if you ask me.
Yeah except drugs cause physical addictions and computer games do not. Think before you speak.
On February 06 2010 10:10 meegrean wrote: I think this kid was just addicted to the point where he will do anything just to continue playing Counterstrike. Computer game addictions and drug addictions are not too different if you ask me.
Yeah except drugs cause physical addictions and computer games do not. Think before you speak.
Wow, you are a genius. Thank you for telling me about this.
Hard to play CS from prison. I don't get this kid's logic; surely a compromise of "I'll start going to school if you let me keep internet" could have sufficed. Sad story.
On February 06 2010 11:10 Spider-Mine wrote: Damn how do you stab someone to death and only get 12 years? Is it his age? I mean at 15 I damn sure knew stabbing someone to death was a big effin no-no. Sad thing is she was trying to help him.
lol I never seen that vid before... Im a fan of Dave... hes the best :D
Elizabeth Smart is hella cute too btw, we worked in the same company saw her couple times in events and went awweeee
edit, she is a really strong person if u ask me... she had no shame in saying she was raped alot and still by looking at her (in real life) you could tell that she was a normal stable young girl, i woulda been debastated if i was in her position.
On February 06 2010 10:22 MuffinDude wrote: Now if the C and the S and switched around, he would of been much better with a chance of getting a job that can pay 200k a year if he gets god at it.
But seriously, they think he had mental problems because he stabbed her 17 times? Did he stab her 7 times too many?? So if I kill someone and stab them 40 something times after they are dead, does my punishment become lighter because I wasn't in my proper state of mind?
I take it you know nothing about the restraint humans usually have? Arguing with mental health experts when they tell you stabbing someone 17 is abnormal probably isn't a good idea brah.
Should get thrown in jail LONGER for being a mental fuck-up IMO.
It does not require much insight to get to the heart of the matter. Boy had a computer addiction. Counterstrike absorbed his life. Mother takes life away. Boy takes mother's life.
On February 06 2010 11:10 Spider-Mine wrote: Damn how do you stab someone to death and only get 12 years? Is it his age? I mean at 15 I damn sure knew stabbing someone to death was a big effin no-no. Sad thing is she was trying to help him.
On February 06 2010 10:00 Lobbo wrote: The supervisor of the internet cafe noted that Ionut would come in all the time and play Counter-Strike quietly alone, with a hood over his head. She noted that he wouldn't swear like most players when he was losing, and never got angry. He would rarely speak.
Am I understanding this correctly? He was playing with a hood over his head? Like some sort of terrorist? Was he Live action roleplaying?
Dunno but if i was a cafe manager i would find this strange... O_o
Maybe he is roleplaying some cool bad guy who rarely talks but kills.
I don't know, I felt I was like him a few years ago.
I remembered few years ago, there were times that I felt my boyfriend wasn't paying that much attention to me. So sometimes I just get angry for no reason and do some stupid stuffs to...erm..make my pressence felt lols. Broke up in the end :'[
I did alot ridiculous stuffs like pointing middle finger @ him and things that I won't normally do.
Hahas, so childish and stupid back then.
Maybe he is the same like me. He wants to speak out something from his heart, but too shy n introvert to do so. Then keep skipping classes and play games more to grab some attention.
Or maybe he hates step mother doing ridiculous thingy with him and complained to father yet father side with the step mother which builds up some anger.
Then cutting off internet is the last straw thus he knifed the mother.
Notice that addiction is not so much a cause of the thing addicted to, as it is the person's mental reliance on the thing. Investing so much emotional reliance into CS might have been a result of his unwillingness to connect to anything else. Anyway, we could speculate until hell freezes over. Things like this will continue as long as people aren't willing to balance themselves between control and indulgence.
On February 06 2010 21:35 MoltkeWarding wrote: It does not require much insight to get to the heart of the matter. Boy had a computer addiction. Counterstrike absorbed his life. Mother takes life away. Boy takes mother's life.
You can't really believe it's that simple. Murder gets him CS for the next few hours and then the police come. Going to school could still get him a few hours of CS a night. His solution to the problem wasn't logical. Imo his problem wasn't CS. His problem was his life, CS was his escapism from it. He was trying to get away from reality, first through computer games and then through the abdication of choice and freedom that comes through prison.
On February 06 2010 10:00 Lobbo wrote: The supervisor of the internet cafe noted that Ionut would come in all the time and play Counter-Strike quietly alone, with a hood over his head. She noted that he wouldn't swear like most players when he was losing, and never got angry. He would rarely speak.
Am I understanding this correctly? He was playing with a hood over his head? Like some sort of terrorist? Was he Live action roleplaying?
Dunno but if i was a cafe manager i would find this strange... O_o
Actually no. I have a friend who is a cafe manager and I used to hang out there from time to time. There are a lot of youngsters (almost half, actually) that play with a cap on, or a hoodie, etc. Presuming it's not summer, when it's like 40ºC. It's just a "hood" look that some kids parade. Saying "like some sort of terrorist?" is really really close-minded. Don't judge people like that.
And as for the entire "video games make people kill" dispute. It's not as black and white as we'd like to think. Of course they don't have negative effects on MOST people, but given the right circumstances (like in this case), where the parents don't give enough of a crap, few to no friends, the game becomes the only anchor to not going crazy. He invests all the feelings and such in the game, so when the parent thinks "oh well, we'll just stop his internet access" the kid will over-react. Now depending on how anti-social he got, how long was he 'left unattended', the over-reaction will become worse.
So yeah, it's not the game itself, but it does open a portal where you can exist without real human interaction, which is not 100% ok.
On February 06 2010 21:35 MoltkeWarding wrote: It does not require much insight to get to the heart of the matter. Boy had a computer addiction. Counterstrike absorbed his life. Mother takes life away. Boy takes mother's life.
You can't really believe it's that simple. Murder gets him CS for the next few hours and then the police come. Going to school could still get him a few hours of CS a night. His solution to the problem wasn't logical. Imo his problem wasn't CS. His problem was his life, CS was his escapism from it. He was trying to get away from reality, first through computer games and then through the abdication of choice and freedom that comes through prison.
That is exactly right. You, along with a few other informed posters have been trying to set things straight, but ignorance keeps surfacing on here.
1. That kid is a sociopath. He lacks empathy, which means he has no consideration for the feelings of others. He has no regrets for his actions either. Sociopaths can kill easily because they don't care about the suffering of their victums and they feel no regret for the murder.
2. You cannot, and I repeat, CANNOT become addicted to video games. An addiction is a physical dependance. Words mean things. You can't just co-opt a word for your own use in order to steal its emphasis. Drugs cause physical dependance in the brain, video games cannot do this.
3. That kid was using video games as an escape from his life. It doesn't matter what kind of game it was. He could have just as easily been playing cards or guitar hero. He killed his mother because he is a sociopath, not because of video games.
These points have been brought up over and over in these 6 pages but people keep posting ignorant crap. Do youselves, and everybody else around you a favor and become educated about these issues before you go along with political propaganda and blame violent media for murderious teens.
I forget, which violent video games did Hitler play when he was 15? Was it "kill all the jews"?
On February 06 2010 21:35 MoltkeWarding wrote: It does not require much insight to get to the heart of the matter. Boy had a computer addiction. Counterstrike absorbed his life. Mother takes life away. Boy takes mother's life.
You can't really believe it's that simple. Murder gets him CS for the next few hours and then the police come. Going to school could still get him a few hours of CS a night. His solution to the problem wasn't logical. Imo his problem wasn't CS. His problem was his life, CS was his escapism from it. He was trying to get away from reality, first through computer games and then through the abdication of choice and freedom that comes through prison.
Why isn't it logical? No one who is addicted to computer games plays them because of their marvelous foresight. The immediate need overwhelms any anticipated consequences, resulting in unsound judgement. That is the nature of addiction.
On February 06 2010 21:35 MoltkeWarding wrote: It does not require much insight to get to the heart of the matter. Boy had a computer addiction. Counterstrike absorbed his life. Mother takes life away. Boy takes mother's life.
You can't really believe it's that simple. Murder gets him CS for the next few hours and then the police come. Going to school could still get him a few hours of CS a night. His solution to the problem wasn't logical. Imo his problem wasn't CS. His problem was his life, CS was his escapism from it. He was trying to get away from reality, first through computer games and then through the abdication of choice and freedom that comes through prison.
Why isn't it logical? No one who is addicted to computer games plays them because of their marvelous foresight. The immediate need overwhelms any anticipated consequences, resulting in unsound judgement. That is the nature of addiction.
well, he also has a mental problem, or at least a depression or something. No matter how addictive u get to a game, you can`t do that, unless you have a problem.
On February 06 2010 10:24 zgl wrote: He was obviously noob. Only takes 2 hits with secondary attack.
I was going to commentate on that exact same thing. But people need to realize it's not CS that makes people violent, it's rather, violent people seek after CS.
On February 06 2010 21:35 MoltkeWarding wrote: It does not require much insight to get to the heart of the matter. Boy had a computer addiction. Counterstrike absorbed his life. Mother takes life away. Boy takes mother's life.
You can't really believe it's that simple. Murder gets him CS for the next few hours and then the police come. Going to school could still get him a few hours of CS a night. His solution to the problem wasn't logical. Imo his problem wasn't CS. His problem was his life, CS was his escapism from it. He was trying to get away from reality, first through computer games and then through the abdication of choice and freedom that comes through prison.
Why isn't it logical? No one who is addicted to computer games plays them because of their marvelous foresight. The immediate need overwhelms any anticipated consequences, resulting in unsound judgement. That is the nature of addiction.
You cannot become addicted to video games, how many times do people have to keep saying this! Why don't you go learn something addiction and then come back and post.
On February 06 2010 21:35 MoltkeWarding wrote: It does not require much insight to get to the heart of the matter. Boy had a computer addiction. Counterstrike absorbed his life. Mother takes life away. Boy takes mother's life.
You can't really believe it's that simple. Murder gets him CS for the next few hours and then the police come. Going to school could still get him a few hours of CS a night. His solution to the problem wasn't logical. Imo his problem wasn't CS. His problem was his life, CS was his escapism from it. He was trying to get away from reality, first through computer games and then through the abdication of choice and freedom that comes through prison.
Why isn't it logical? No one who is addicted to computer games plays them because of their marvelous foresight. The immediate need overwhelms any anticipated consequences, resulting in unsound judgement. That is the nature of addiction.
You cannot become addicted to video games, how many times do people have to keep saying this! Why don't you go learn something addiction and then come back and post.
Addiction isn't limited to a physiological phenomenon. It can be purely psychological. A dictionary, a psychiatrist and a Psychology professor would all say so.
On February 06 2010 21:35 MoltkeWarding wrote: It does not require much insight to get to the heart of the matter. Boy had a computer addiction. Counterstrike absorbed his life. Mother takes life away. Boy takes mother's life.
You can't really believe it's that simple. Murder gets him CS for the next few hours and then the police come. Going to school could still get him a few hours of CS a night. His solution to the problem wasn't logical. Imo his problem wasn't CS. His problem was his life, CS was his escapism from it. He was trying to get away from reality, first through computer games and then through the abdication of choice and freedom that comes through prison.
Why isn't it logical? No one who is addicted to computer games plays them because of their marvelous foresight. The immediate need overwhelms any anticipated consequences, resulting in unsound judgement. That is the nature of addiction.
You cannot become addicted to video games, how many times do people have to keep saying this! Why don't you go learn something addiction and then come back and post.
Addiction isn't limited to a physiological phenomenon. It can be purely psychological. A dictionary, a psychiatrist and a Psychology professor would all say so.
Everything from your consciousness to your emotions to memories is controlled by your brain; everything that goes on in your brain is a physiological phenomenon. It is well known how chemical drugs cause physical dependences but no such cause has been found for things like video games and gambling. The best you can do is find studies that show people who engage in those activities are likely to have symptoms described in the DSM related to addiction, but the DSM is nonsense. It hasn't been that long that the DSM described homosexuality as a disorder.
1) Just because something is labeled a disorder doesn't mean that is correct.
2) Just because somebody has symptoms doesn't prove their origin.
3) Even if you could prove that somebody was chemically addicted to video games, it wouldn't say anything about the cause because video games themselves cannot cause such chemical reactions.
I don't think anyone would say video games cause addiction. As in not everyone who plays them is at risk for becoming addicted. But that doesn't change the fact that some people are. It's obviously due to something in their makeup, and not an inherent addictiveness of video games, but they are addicted to them. And yeah if it wasn't games, it would be something else.
On February 06 2010 10:28 [Azn]Nada wrote: man... this is why i stopped playing CS... too violent of a game. My friends/parents all said i got a lot more aggressive when I played Counterstrike. It's really fun and stuff, but it just makes you mad so easily.
i think you're influenced by little things too easily....
and that kid is either crazy or has a mental illness IMO
On February 06 2010 21:35 MoltkeWarding wrote: It does not require much insight to get to the heart of the matter. Boy had a computer addiction. Counterstrike absorbed his life. Mother takes life away. Boy takes mother's life.
You can't really believe it's that simple. Murder gets him CS for the next few hours and then the police come. Going to school could still get him a few hours of CS a night. His solution to the problem wasn't logical. Imo his problem wasn't CS. His problem was his life, CS was his escapism from it. He was trying to get away from reality, first through computer games and then through the abdication of choice and freedom that comes through prison.
Why isn't it logical? No one who is addicted to computer games plays them because of their marvelous foresight. The immediate need overwhelms any anticipated consequences, resulting in unsound judgement. That is the nature of addiction.
You cannot become addicted to video games, how many times do people have to keep saying this! Why don't you go learn something addiction and then come back and post.
Addiction isn't limited to a physiological phenomenon. It can be purely psychological. A dictionary, a psychiatrist and a Psychology professor would all say so.
Everything from your consciousness to your emotions to memories is controlled by your brain; everything that goes on in your brain is a physiological phenomenon. It is well known how chemical drugs cause physical dependences but no such cause has been found for things like video games and gambling. The best you can do is find studies that show people who engage in those activities are likely to have symptoms described in the DSM related to addiction, but the DSM is nonsense. It hasn't been that long that the DSM described homosexuality as a disorder.
1) Just because something is labeled a disorder doesn't mean that is correct.
2) Just because somebody has symptoms doesn't prove their origin.
3) Even if you could prove that somebody was chemically addicted to video games, it wouldn't say anything about the cause because video games themselves cannot cause such chemical reactions.
Are you nitpicking semantics or are you claiming that there is no condition where someone is so compelled to do something than they're willing to ruin their lives to do it. We call that psychological addiction - is your obejction of the word 'addiction', or that that condition does not exist.
Isn't it a bit naive to assume that everyone who does just that is some sort of deprived and depressed person trying to escape their life? Really?
That kid definitely needs the help, mental problems, for sure. Although there is correlation between fps and violent games and behavior, he just went over the top. sucks for his dad..
On February 06 2010 21:35 MoltkeWarding wrote: It does not require much insight to get to the heart of the matter. Boy had a computer addiction. Counterstrike absorbed his life. Mother takes life away. Boy takes mother's life.
You can't really believe it's that simple. Murder gets him CS for the next few hours and then the police come. Going to school could still get him a few hours of CS a night. His solution to the problem wasn't logical. Imo his problem wasn't CS. His problem was his life, CS was his escapism from it. He was trying to get away from reality, first through computer games and then through the abdication of choice and freedom that comes through prison.
Why isn't it logical? No one who is addicted to computer games plays them because of their marvelous foresight. The immediate need overwhelms any anticipated consequences, resulting in unsound judgement. That is the nature of addiction.
You cannot become addicted to video games, how many times do people have to keep saying this! Why don't you go learn something addiction and then come back and post.
Addiction isn't limited to a physiological phenomenon. It can be purely psychological. A dictionary, a psychiatrist and a Psychology professor would all say so.
Everything from your consciousness to your emotions to memories is controlled by your brain; everything that goes on in your brain is a physiological phenomenon. It is well known how chemical drugs cause physical dependences but no such cause has been found for things like video games and gambling. The best you can do is find studies that show people who engage in those activities are likely to have symptoms described in the DSM related to addiction, but the DSM is nonsense. It hasn't been that long that the DSM described homosexuality as a disorder.
1) Just because something is labeled a disorder doesn't mean that is correct.
2) Just because somebody has symptoms doesn't prove their origin.
3) Even if you could prove that somebody was chemically addicted to video games, it wouldn't say anything about the cause because video games themselves cannot cause such chemical reactions.
Are you nitpicking semantics or are you claiming that there is no condition where someone is so compelled to do something than they're willing to ruin their lives to do it. We call that psychological addiction - is your obejction of the word 'addiction', or that that condition does not exist.
Isn't it a bit naive to assume that everyone who does just that is some sort of deprived and depressed person trying to escape their life? Really?
On February 06 2010 21:35 MoltkeWarding wrote: It does not require much insight to get to the heart of the matter. Boy had a computer addiction. Counterstrike absorbed his life. Mother takes life away. Boy takes mother's life.
You can't really believe it's that simple. Murder gets him CS for the next few hours and then the police come. Going to school could still get him a few hours of CS a night. His solution to the problem wasn't logical. Imo his problem wasn't CS. His problem was his life, CS was his escapism from it. He was trying to get away from reality, first through computer games and then through the abdication of choice and freedom that comes through prison.
Why isn't it logical? No one who is addicted to computer games plays them because of their marvelous foresight. The immediate need overwhelms any anticipated consequences, resulting in unsound judgement. That is the nature of addiction.
You cannot become addicted to video games, how many times do people have to keep saying this! Why don't you go learn something addiction and then come back and post.
Addiction isn't limited to a physiological phenomenon. It can be purely psychological. A dictionary, a psychiatrist and a Psychology professor would all say so.
Everything from your consciousness to your emotions to memories is controlled by your brain; everything that goes on in your brain is a physiological phenomenon. It is well known how chemical drugs cause physical dependences but no such cause has been found for things like video games and gambling. The best you can do is find studies that show people who engage in those activities are likely to have symptoms described in the DSM related to addiction, but the DSM is nonsense. It hasn't been that long that the DSM described homosexuality as a disorder.
1) Just because something is labeled a disorder doesn't mean that is correct.
2) Just because somebody has symptoms doesn't prove their origin.
3) Even if you could prove that somebody was chemically addicted to video games, it wouldn't say anything about the cause because video games themselves cannot cause such chemical reactions.
Are you nitpicking semantics or are you claiming that there is no condition where someone is so compelled to do something than they're willing to ruin their lives to do it. We call that psychological addiction - is your obejction of the word 'addiction', or that that condition does not exist.
Isn't it a bit naive to assume that everyone who does just that is some sort of deprived and depressed person trying to escape their life? Really?
I don't think they are deprived or depressed, but I do believe that most people who "play too much" really just are trying to escape their life. It could be a bad marriage, trouble at work, an illness, who knows why people aren't happy. If you are in a relationship you don't like, working for $9 an hour at a gas station and are always constantly broke, wouldn't you want to escape to a world where you can be a hero?
People with mental problems have mental problems regardless of what they do or what they become obsessed with or where they live or when they were born. Sociopaths like the kid that killed his adopted mother had mental illnesses that have nothing to do with video games or gambling or even drug addictions. If he had never played a game in his life but drank like a fish, people would blame the alcohol, or the music he listened to, or anything they wanted to wage a personal war on.
As somebody else pointed out, video games are not addicting in the way chemical drugs are. A person could conceivably become addicted to video games, but not because the games are addicting. In addition, they certainly aren't going to make somebody kill who wouldn't have done it anyways.
I used to be in the Army for 6 years and I spent 2 years in Iraq. I have shot a lot of real weapons and shot some weapons at people. I have been trained to kill people, for real, and I have also played a lot of FPS, and I can tell you right now that anybody who says that any game is a killing simulator is full of crap.
On February 06 2010 10:00 Lobbo wrote: The supervisor of the internet cafe noted that Ionut would come in all the time and play Counter-Strike quietly alone, with a hood over his head. She noted that he wouldn't swear like most players when he was losing, and never got angry. He would rarely speak.
Am I understanding this correctly? He was playing with a hood over his head? Like some sort of terrorist? Was he Live action roleplaying?
Dunno but if i was a cafe manager i would find this strange... O_o
Lol for all we know he could just have a hoodie sweatshirt that he really liked and the news was sensationalizing things. Not saying that is necessarily the case, just possible.
2. You cannot, and I repeat, CANNOT become addicted to video games. An addiction is a physical dependance. Words mean things. You can't just co-opt a word for your own use in order to steal its emphasis. Drugs cause physical dependance in the brain, video games cannot do this.
lol. you realise that when a person plays a videogames especially one like SC where there's adrenaline etc the thrill of winning releases chemicals in the brain .. thats what causes the addiction. you can become dependant on that rush just like you would a drug.
One thing that stands out is that the kid was adopted. He was probably an orphan before and there are studies showing that Romanian orphans grow up to have a lot of issues with aggression and attachment. In other words, this is not a psychological problem, this guy knew exactly what he was doing when he killed his mother.
The sad part is that jail probably won't rehabilitate him.
On February 07 2010 05:26 sfdrew wrote: You cannot become addicted to video games, how many times do people have to keep saying this! Why don't you go learn something addiction and then come back and post.
The brain releases chemicals under certain conditions , during a game this would be adrenalin. It is possible to become addicted to the release of adrenalin.
On February 07 2010 05:26 sfdrew wrote: You cannot become addicted to video games, how many times do people have to keep saying this! Why don't you go learn something addiction and then come back and post.
The brain releases chemicals under certain conditions , during a game this would be adrenalin. It is possible to become addicted to the release of adrenalin.
Have these chemicals been seen? Where can I see a picture of adrenaline under a microscope?
On February 07 2010 10:09 sfdrew wrote: I don't think they are deprived or depressed, but I do believe that most people who "play too much" really just are trying to escape their life. It could be a bad marriage, trouble at work, an illness, who knows why people aren't happy. If you are in a relationship you don't like, working for $9 an hour at a gas station and are always constantly broke, wouldn't you want to escape to a world where you can be a hero?
I was completely happy when i was 14-19 and played massive amounts of whatever games i could get. I was super social and outgoing, i drank like everyone else and smoked pot occasionally( just throwing this in since some retards think it equals socializing), i had a girlfriend and i did sports like muay thai/ran track/played soccer. Never at that point i was trying to escape the reality. I sometimes skipped classes/practice just to play games on my computer or go to pc place. Ive spent nights playing starcraft. Ive skipped work. Your argument is BASELESS. If im constantly broke and my life is completely crumbled i wouldnt be able to waste my time playing. I wouldnt even enjoy it for a minute
People with mental problems have mental problems regardless of what they do or what they become obsessed with or where they live or when they were born. Sociopaths like the kid that killed his adopted mother had mental illnesses that have nothing to do with video games or gambling or even drug addictions. If he had never played a game in his life but drank like a fish, people would blame the alcohol, or the music he listened to, or anything they wanted to wage a personal war on.
what does this have to do with anything? youre arguing about addictions
As somebody else pointed out, video games are not addicting in the way chemical drugs are. A person could conceivably become addicted to video games, but not because the games are addicting. In addition, they certainly aren't going to make somebody kill who wouldn't have done it anyways.
games could be addictive. Internet is addictive. Pissing outside standing on your porch could be addictive. Amphetamine is addictive. Alcohol is addictive even before the physical addiction develops. Its called PSYCHOLOGICAL addiction. Its a completely legit term used in therapy.
I used to be in the Army for 6 years and I spent 2 years in Iraq. I have shot a lot of real weapons and shot some weapons at people. I have been trained to kill people, for real, and I have also played a lot of FPS, and I can tell you right now that anybody who says that any game is a killing simulator is full of crap.
clap clap? Let me use some of the generalizations similar to the ones youve used. Did you fail at life that much? Could you not pay your credit? No college accepted you? Did you just like guns and felt like your balls would grow little bigger so you can actually please your girlfriend for once?
then again, youve played a lot of fps. Considering what you said above, your life mustve been hell.
/tear
just no. Completely sane and happy people play computer games too. And some of them get addicted. WoW is a bright example. Starcrack is another one. Ask anyone good( to be addicted to bw you have to become good, otherwise you probably wont even know what its like)
On February 07 2010 05:26 sfdrew wrote: You cannot become addicted to video games, how many times do people have to keep saying this! Why don't you go learn something addiction and then come back and post.
The brain releases chemicals under certain conditions , during a game this would be adrenalin. It is possible to become addicted to the release of adrenalin.
Have these chemicals been seen? Where can I see a picture of adrenaline under a microscope?
On February 07 2010 10:09 sfdrew wrote: People with mental problems have mental problems regardless of what they do or what they become obsessed with or where they live or when they were born. Sociopaths like the kid that killed his adopted mother had mental illnesses that have nothing to do with video games or gambling or even drug addictions. If he had never played a game in his life but drank like a fish, people would blame the alcohol, or the music he listened to, or anything they wanted to wage a personal war on.
A lot of truth here, given a large enough population of gamers, there is a chance that some messed up cowboy will play it too. We can blame what they do, but there are people that have psychological problems to begin with (or a there are a host of other factors ranging from nature to nurture.) But fps causes murder makes a nice sound bite news story.
On February 07 2010 10:09 sfdrew wrote: People with mental problems have mental problems regardless of what they do or what they become obsessed with or where they live or when they were born. Sociopaths like the kid that killed his adopted mother had mental illnesses that have nothing to do with video games or gambling or even drug addictions. If he had never played a game in his life but drank like a fish, people would blame the alcohol, or the music he listened to, or anything they wanted to wage a personal war on.
A lot of truth here, given a large enough population of gamers, there is a chance that some messed up cowboy will play it too. We can blame what they do, but there are people that have psychological problems to begin with (or a there are a host of other factors ranging from nature to nurture.) But fps causes murder makes a nice sound bite news story.
is blaming the murder on video games equivalent to blaming terrorism on religion?
(not trolling i'm just too drunk to think this out on my own)
the title and message are so misleading, it should be something like: 15 year old (who was absent from school 200 times previously) stabbed his STEP mother 17 times.
Why was he playing games so much? Isn't it a parents responsibility to regulate their child's consumption of different things?
They are so obviously targeting the old "video games are evil" people and overprotective mothers.
i HATE sensationalist bullshit journalism, i wanna be a journalist and this fucking HURTS.
edit: they leave out so much of the story and you can tell there is such a giant gap in the plot
People have been said to have killed over other retarded shit like "The Catcher in The Rye" and Death Note. Obviously these things did not cause the killings, it is the person and not the object.
Certain people when enough psychologically distraught would kill over hello kitty.
I feel sorry for you, not because you are ignorant, but because you are willfully so. Your personal experience makes my argument baseless? You can chalk them both up to subjective speculation and cross them out if you want, but don't' pretend like your subjective opinions are more valid than mine are.
what does this have to do with anything? youre arguing about addictions
It has to do with people making excuses. All forms of violent behavior existed before video games. The kid who killed his adopted mother was a sociopath. Addicted or not, violent or not, video games had nothing to do with his killing his mother; people will however, point the finger and say "see, he was addicted to violent video games, that must be the problem, get rid of the games and this will never happen again." What a bunch of nonsense. Activists like to accuse everything they don't' like as being addictive so they have an excuse to try and get rid of it, even when it doesn't make sense.
games could be addictive. Internet is addictive. Pissing outside standing on your porch could be addictive. Amphetamine is addictive. Alcohol is addictive even before the physical addiction develops. Its called PSYCHOLOGICAL addiction. Its a completely legit term used in therapy.
The idea of a psychological addiction is nonsense. Being addicted means that you can't control it, which can be caused by chemical dependence, or mental illness. If that kid was addicted to video games it was because there was something wrong with his brain, not anything wrong with the video games. Drugs can cause chemical dependence, but video games can't. Making bad decisions is not the same thing as an addiction.
People who make arguments that violent games make kids commit violent acts don't know anything about violent games or real violence. I happen to know a lot about both. You can play a game about gay sex all day and all night for the next ten years and it won't make it any easier for you in real life if you are straight. If playing games could really turn somebody into a killer then the Army wouldn't waste time training people, they would just stick a controller in their hands all day. No simulation can ever come close to preparing somebody for the real thing. Even the very realistic, real life training I received didn't prepare me, because it can't, and any video game certainly won't.
Killers are killers, plain and simple. No game is going to turn a non-killer into a killer. Blaming a murder on an "addiction" to violent video games is such an ignorant position that it is almost insulting to a person like me.
I feel sorry for you, not because you are ignorant, but because you are willfully so. Your personal experience makes my argument baseless? You can chalk them both up to subjective speculation and cross them out if you want, but don't' pretend like your subjective opinions are more valid than mine are.
what does this have to do with anything? youre arguing about addictions
It has to do with people making excuses. All forms of violent behavior existed before video games. The kid who killed his adopted mother was a sociopath. Addicted or not, violent or not, video games had nothing to do with his killing his mother; people will however, point the finger and say "see, he was addicted to violent video games, that must be the problem, get rid of the games and this will never happen again." What a bunch of nonsense. Activists like to accuse everything they don't' like as being addictive so they have an excuse to try and get rid of it, even when it doesn't make sense.
games could be addictive. Internet is addictive. Pissing outside standing on your porch could be addictive. Amphetamine is addictive. Alcohol is addictive even before the physical addiction develops. Its called PSYCHOLOGICAL addiction. Its a completely legit term used in therapy.
The idea of a psychological addiction is nonsense. Being addicted means that you can't control it, which can be caused by chemical dependence, or mental illness. If that kid was addicted to video games it was because there was something wrong with his brain, not anything wrong with the video games. Drugs can cause chemical dependence, but video games can't. Making bad decisions is not the same thing as an addiction.
People who make arguments that violent games make kids commit violent acts don't know anything about violent games or real violence. I happen to know a lot about both. You can play a game about gay sex all day and all night for the next ten years and it won't make it any easier for you in real life if you are straight. If playing games could really turn somebody into a killer then the Army wouldn't waste time training people, they would just stick a controller in their hands all day. No simulation can ever come close to preparing somebody for the real thing. Even the very realistic, real life training I received didn't prepare me, because it can't, and any video game certainly won't.
Killers are killers, plain and simple. No game is going to turn a non-killer into a killer. Blaming a murder on an "addiction" to violent video games is such an ignorant position that it is almost insulting to a person like me.
Um I like how you think through your bullshit theories and all, but they have to nothing to do with reality and psychological evidence. Addiction is only partially physical, even when you are dealing with drugs and alcohol. It is mostly emotional and mental. People do things that they found give them pleasure and makes them forget about the emptiness, awkwardness, and the sense of feeling "wrong" that they have almost always have had inside. And once you start on the cycle, there is a fairly predictable path they will follow with whatever "drug" of choice: marijiuana, meth, gambling, alcohol, sex, games, or whatever than can cause you to escape from yourself and your own head for even a moment.
No one is blaming addiction. If you meet many addicts, most of them are good, responsible people who for some reason cannot control one small facet of their life and it bleeds over to everything else. Of course those who have serious mental illnesses such as being psychotic or schizophrenic would also be naturally inclined to go towards whatever escape they can find, and you will find a few of those at AA, NA, GA, or whatever addict meetings.
Now this guy was addicted to video games most obviously, but he was also highly probable of being psychotic simply for the fact that once someone got in the way of him and whatever made him feel better, he felt the need to kill and had zero remorse and did not perceive of what he was doing and what he did when he stabbed his mother 17 times as wrong.
Addiction is only partially physical, even when you are dealing with drugs and alcohol. It is mostly emotional and mental.
And where exactly do you think emotions reside if not physically? I hate to break it to you, but there isn't anything beyond the physical. Everything that makes you who you are relies on electrical impulses and chemicals being passed around your physical brain. You don't have some soul floating around somewhere. Everything is physical, there is no such thing as non-physical. You aren't anything more than organic matter, period.
The boy lacks empathy, he is a psychopath I'll misquote the article here: "Where other boys would get angry and frustrated when they die in the game, he would stay calm"
Plus the fact that he stabbed her 17 times and not just once or twice.
On February 07 2010 00:12 XiaoJoyce- wrote: With a hood, seldom talks..
Maybe he is roleplaying some cool bad guy who rarely talks but kills.
I don't know, I felt I was like him a few years ago.
I remembered few years ago, there were times that I felt my boyfriend wasn't paying that much attention to me. So sometimes I just get angry for no reason and do some stupid stuffs to...erm..make my pressence felt lols. Broke up in the end :'[
I did alot ridiculous stuffs like pointing middle finger @ him and things that I won't normally do.
Hahas, so childish and stupid back then.
Maybe he is the same like me. He wants to speak out something from his heart, but too shy n introvert to do so. Then keep skipping classes and play games more to grab some attention.
Or maybe he hates step mother doing ridiculous thingy with him and complained to father yet father side with the step mother which builds up some anger.
Then cutting off internet is the last straw thus he knifed the mother.
Addiction is only partially physical, even when you are dealing with drugs and alcohol. It is mostly emotional and mental.
And where exactly do you think emotions reside if not physically? I hate to break it to you, but there isn't anything beyond the physical. Everything that makes you who you are relies on electrical impulses and chemicals being passed around your physical brain. You don't have some soul floating around somewhere. Everything is physical, there is no such thing as non-physical. You aren't anything more than organic matter, period.
Your reductionism still does disprove anything I said, since I also said mental. So going by what you said this kid had a chemical imbalances of some sort that made him predisposed to addiction and was part of his psychosis.
You are just trying to justify some bullshit idea, which you haven't explained properly, probably to yourself more than anyone here. Addiction is proven with brain scans, even as infantile the technology and understanding is right now (although every year is gets better), even addiction to so call "unaddictive" substances shows the brain reacts differently than a normal person to triggers.
On February 06 2010 21:35 MoltkeWarding wrote: It does not require much insight to get to the heart of the matter. Boy had a computer addiction. Counterstrike absorbed his life. Mother takes life away. Boy takes mother's life.
You can't really believe it's that simple. Murder gets him CS for the next few hours and then the police come. Going to school could still get him a few hours of CS a night. His solution to the problem wasn't logical. Imo his problem wasn't CS. His problem was his life, CS was his escapism from it. He was trying to get away from reality, first through computer games and then through the abdication of choice and freedom that comes through prison.
Why isn't it logical? No one who is addicted to computer games plays them because of their marvelous foresight. The immediate need overwhelms any anticipated consequences, resulting in unsound judgement. That is the nature of addiction.
They play them because they enjoy them but that enjoyment doesn't mean there is no sense of restraint or logic. Say you want to get laid, you could go out and rape a girl then get arrested and spend years in prison or you could court one and get the end result later but more. Just because the goal isn't profitable doesn't mean the attainment of the goal must be illogical.
Addiction is only partially physical, even when you are dealing with drugs and alcohol. It is mostly emotional and mental.
And where exactly do you think emotions reside if not physically? I hate to break it to you, but there isn't anything beyond the physical. Everything that makes you who you are relies on electrical impulses and chemicals being passed around your physical brain. You don't have some soul floating around somewhere. Everything is physical, there is no such thing as non-physical. You aren't anything more than organic matter, period.
You don't need to postulate some sort of supernatural to explain emotions. Unless you and everyone else doesn't feel anything, it's perfectly reasonable to assume that emotions are a result of a complex physical process. The emotional and the mental are very real, and whether or not you think they're the result of a physical process or not, very little is changed in terms of your experience.
-e- experience as opposed to your rational reflection upon your experiences
On February 06 2010 10:28 [Azn]Nada wrote: man... this is why i stopped playing CS... too violent of a game. My friends/parents all said i got a lot more aggressive when I played Counterstrike. It's really fun and stuff, but it just makes you mad so easily.
FPS makes me rage too. But then again if im kicking ass its better than any other kind of pwnage. It all depends how emotionally attached you become to something. It can happen with anything really.
But anger taken to the extreme to go murder someone, there are far more factors involved. The kid was soo dependant on the internet (a way to escape reality), regardless of what he used it for the sudden disconnection could be interpreted as loosing his freedom. They said he was pretty emotionless so its obvious he bottled up all his feelings about everything. Losing his outlet sent him over the edge.
On February 06 2010 11:42 Purind wrote: He plays a violent video game involving knife stabbing and he killed another human being with a violent knife stabbing. It is very clear that video games are the direct cause of this behaviour. Please, stop the violence. Please ban video games from all households
I wonder if all mass murderers are gamers too? We're they influenced by video games to go out on killing sprees?
Please enlighten us about the correlation and show some facts.
On February 06 2010 12:00 StorrZerg wrote: Are there any cases of people playing sports and going nuts and killing?
Theres the case of the Pro-Wrestler Chris Benoit murdering his family. Found to be the result of multiple concussions suffered throughout his career that were never investigated (he only ever went to his family doctor), and thus suffered from paranoia etc. Truly tragic story which has prompted for better health care of all athletes in high impact sports.
Is it really that hard to see sarcasm on the internet?
yea it is when u see ppl say the same kind of thing all the time who actually believe it.
People with mental problems have mental problems regardless of what they do or what they become obsessed with or where they live or when they were born. Sociopaths like the kid that killed his adopted mother had mental illnesses that have nothing to do with video games or gambling or even drug addictions. If he had never played a game in his life but drank like a fish, people would blame the alcohol, or the music he listened to, or anything they wanted to wage a personal war on.
what does this have to do with anything? youre arguing about addictions
Regardless of the reductionism argument that followed, this has everything to do with this topic. Are fps or computers games in general addictive enough to cause an otherwise mentally and emotionally stable individual to violently murder his adoptive parent? Or were they mentally or emotionally unstable to begin with who also played fps? (Or do fps's attract this sort of people.) Or given a large enough population, is it just a matter of probability that an unstable individual will play. To simply say that fps's are the single contributing factor is so simplistic.
I used to be in the Army for 6 years and I spent 2 years in Iraq. I have shot a lot of real weapons and shot some weapons at people. I have been trained to kill people, for real, and I have also played a lot of FPS, and I can tell you right now that anybody who says that any game is a killing simulator is full of crap.
clap clap? Let me use some of the generalizations similar to the ones youve used. Did you fail at life that much? Could you not pay your credit? No college accepted you? Did you just like guns and felt like your balls would grow little bigger so you can actually please your girlfriend for once?
then again, youve played a lot of fps. Considering what you said above, your life mustve been hell.
/tear
Why the venom? Why is it so hard to think that there is a wide gulf between computer games and training to kill a living, breathing human.
On February 07 2010 13:48 sassy wrote: just no. Completely sane and happy people play computer games too. And some of them get addicted. WoW is a bright example. Starcrack is another one. Ask anyone good( to be addicted to bw you have to become good, otherwise you probably wont even know what its like) ?
It's true that sane and happy people play computer games- I would say the majority are. That wasn't the point. The question is does that computer game take that same sane and happy individual and turn them into a person who will kill. Or was there an underlying problem that would have shown up irrespective of playing computer games.
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