EPTIs it revolutionary? Absolutely. It's Apple.
I really think this will be the spark for a move from physical paper books to digital.
Ipad, is it worth buying? - Page 6
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Bosu
United States3247 Posts
Is it revolutionary? Absolutely. It's Apple. I really think this will be the spark for a move from physical paper books to digital. | ||
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VManOfMana
United States764 Posts
I know I am getting at least one. This will be my mother's christmas present. It more than fills her very basic computer needs in a lot simpler way than a desktop computer, Getting one for myself is a coin toss, but I am strongly considering one. Some time ago I had decided that my next computer would be a 13" MacBook Pro. My main computer is a 15" MBP, but I want additional portability when unplugging it from my desk. With an iPad on the go, I get something more portable, cheaper than a laptop, and that works better for my hands than a netbook. Yes, its more expensive and there are tradeoffs, but that is the least of my worries. With the iPhone, Apple found a UI that makes touch displays good enough for a lot of tasks. They got rid of a lot of the abstractions of keyboard/mouse/pen computing, but at the same time they didn't drag their limitations. Some of the details in the iWork demo are subtle but very neat. Keyboard layouts for numeric input and formulas, or using multitouch to point reference objects other than the object you are working with. Some of this stuff you cannot do with a mouse, or at least not as intuitively. The iPad is not for everyone. Jobs said a very important line during the keynote: "Far better at some key things". It is not "better or equal on all things". Apple decided long time ago that they don't want to create "one size fits all" products, and the iPhone and iPad are a reflection of this. And thats what I think is the problem of netbooks. They want to be a small computer that does the same thing as your computer, but it is not the same as your computer. Its hard to do certain things simply because the keyboard or touchpad or screen are so much smaller. They need to carry a full-blown OS without having the same processing power*. Those little things create a barrier of entry that you can get over with. But I don't want to deal with them. * What is wrong with a 1GHz processor if it doesn't need to deal with the whole software stack of a Windows OS? Plus having control over software + hardware allows to optimize even further. The iPad worked pretty smoothly in the keynote after all. Edit: re: Flash. Youtube content can be accessed in many different ways other than Flash, and Youtube and Vimeo already are testing delivery using the HTML5 video tag. Who says Livestream or other video services won't do so too? Other than games, Flash became relevant as a video delivery channel, and it is already being replaced on this field. Apple does has reasons to not support Flash in the iPhone/iPad, and they can live with it. I'd recommend the following to read: http://daringfireball.net/2010/01/apple_adobe_flash http://daringfireball.net/2010/01/ipad_big_picture | ||
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overpool
United States191 Posts
On January 28 2010 05:46 IntoTheWow wrote: It's more than just an iPod touch that won't fit in your pocket...it's also an underpowered netbook with no keyboard. It's the worst of both worlds! http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1527002&cid=30921390 On January 28 2010 05:46 IntoTheWow wrote: It actually has a robust power source; it is powered almost entirely by the user's sense of self-importance. http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1527002&cid=30921742 Just thought I'd fix your sloppy footnoting  | ||
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Bosu
United States3247 Posts
I am considering getting one for my mom too. She has been wanting a laptop and this may be better. I am just weary to jump onto any 1st gen apple product though :/ Especially one that is missing some key features. | ||
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Manit0u
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On January 28 2010 12:39 Bosu wrote: It certainly has its problems. It needs flash, multitasking and USB to name a few. I highly doubt I would buy one without these necessary additions. And I would never buy a first generation apple product. However, I see everybody comparing it to netbooks and I am confused. I see it more akin to a Kindle. I definitely would love to read books and especially comic books (especially comic books) on the go with one of these. What I would REALLY like to see is a push for more textbooks to be available digitally that would work on both laptops and tablets like the Ipad. I think Apple being in the tablet market could spark a big push for digital textbooks. I have had two classes that I chose to buy the digital version of the textbook for and I loved it. Jobs compared it to netbooks. If he had called it an expensive Kindle, it might be justified because it's so much better (although I'd still take e-Ink over an LCD display that'll tire your eyes.) | ||
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Bosu
United States3247 Posts
Jobs compared it to netbooks. If he had called it an expensive Kindle, it might be justified because it's so much better (although I'd still take e-Ink over an LCD display that'll tire your eyes Steve Jobs obviously doesn't know what hes talking about. I do. | ||
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keepITup
251 Posts
Which is a great product, don't get me wrong. But it doesn't exactly appeal to me. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On January 28 2010 13:04 VManOfMana wrote: * What is wrong with a 1GHz processor if it doesn't need to deal with the whole software stack of a Windows OS? Plus having control over software + hardware allows to optimize even further. The iPad worked pretty smoothly in the keynote after all. What is the point of horsepower when there's nothing to use it on? TBH, your post seems like the epitome of fanboyism. Again, you're stuck on the UI when Android has very nearly closed the gap and WinMo7 isn't far behind, while charging an obscene price for something that truly does amount to a large iTouch. | ||
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HaruHaru
United States988 Posts
no it's nott | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
Right now it may be a glorified Big Itouch but this is only the first generation. I well it may not be "useful" right now it is advancing technology in all the right places....... Now if only it was 3d. | ||
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Bosu
United States3247 Posts
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On January 28 2010 13:04 VManOfMana wrote: Watching the keynote right now. I know I am getting at least one. This will be my mother's christmas present. It more than fills her very basic computer needs in a lot simpler way than a desktop computer, Getting one for myself is a coin toss, but I am strongly considering one. Some time ago I had decided that my next computer would be a 13" MacBook Pro. My main computer is a 15" MBP, but I want additional portability when unplugging it from my desk. With an iPad on the go, I get something more portable, cheaper than a laptop, and that works better for my hands than a netbook. Yes, its more expensive and there are tradeoffs, but that is the least of my worries. With the iPhone, Apple found a UI that makes touch displays good enough for a lot of tasks. They got rid of a lot of the abstractions of keyboard/mouse/pen computing, but at the same time they didn't drag their limitations. Some of the details in the iWork demo are subtle but very neat. Keyboard layouts for numeric input and formulas, or using multitouch to point reference objects other than the object you are working with. Some of this stuff you cannot do with a mouse, or at least not as intuitively. The iPad is not for everyone. Jobs said a very important line during the keynote: "Far better at some key things". It is not "better or equal on all things". Apple decided long time ago that they don't want to create "one size fits all" products, and the iPhone and iPad are a reflection of this. And thats what I think is the problem of netbooks. They want to be a small computer that does the same thing as your computer, but it is not the same as your computer. Its hard to do certain things simply because the keyboard or touchpad or screen are so much smaller. They need to carry a full-blown OS without having the same processing power*. Those little things create a barrier of entry that you can get over with. But I don't want to deal with them. * What is wrong with a 1GHz processor if it doesn't need to deal with the whole software stack of a Windows OS? Plus having control over software + hardware allows to optimize even further. The iPad worked pretty smoothly in the keynote after all. Edit: re: Flash. Youtube content can be accessed in many different ways other than Flash, and Youtube and Vimeo already are testing delivery using the HTML5 video tag. Who says Livestream or other video services won't do so too? Other than games, Flash became relevant as a video delivery channel, and it is already being replaced on this field. Apple does has reasons to not support Flash in the iPhone/iPad, and they can live with it. I'd recommend the following to read: http://daringfireball.net/2010/01/apple_adobe_flash http://daringfireball.net/2010/01/ipad_big_picture - "Yes, its more expensive and there are tradeoffs, but that is the least of my worries." ... Which basically says "I like apple so I will buy apple stuff even if its crap." - Besides the touch screen, there is nothing that makes the iPad any better than a laptop / netbook. OS sucks, processing power sucks, memory sucks, price sucks, portability is essentially the same as a netbook. - Full-blown OS? Don't make me laugh, the thing can't even handle background processes. - With macs, you actually have NO control over your software/hardware - even more so with the iPad. | ||
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VManOfMana
United States764 Posts
Really, if you want a mobile computer that does the same as a desktop computer, get a laptop. But that is not the market the iPad is targeting. WinMo7 is still not here. Android is very close software wise, but until the Nexus they never had the hardware to match the software. Apple got both since the original iPhone. And that was quite a bit ago. Lastly, how is it an obscene price? It is similarly priced to a iPhone without contract. It makes no calls and 3G costs extra, but you get a bigger screen, processing power and storage. Yes, I am an Apple fan. I became one when my brother and I convinced my mother to get an iMac G4 so she didn't have to deal with Windows. We are both software geeks rather than hardware geeks, so it didn't take us long to become fans of Mac OS X and have followed Apple's products since then. BTW, our previous favorite OSs were OS/2 and BeOS. | ||
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DeathSpank
United States1029 Posts
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Soledad
United States37 Posts
on the other hand...microsoft's xBOX 360, oh my god it makes me cry. | ||
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triangle
United States3803 Posts
A. You plan gifts 11 months in advance? B. Pretty nice of you to drop $600 on a christmas gift... I wish I had that much spare cash lying around. Nothing to use it on? C'mon. There is plenty to use it on. It is not as much as your day-to-day computer, but its more than enough as a *satellite* of your computer. Its a mobile device, an appliance. It doesn't try to be your main computer. ...That's worth $500+ ?Some time ago I had decided that my next computer would be a 13" MacBook Pro. My main computer is a 15" MBP, but I want additional portability when unplugging it from my desk. How is your laptop not portable? O.o Just unplug it... Unless you want like 7 hrs of battery life or something. Really, if you want a mobile computer that does the same as a desktop computer, get a laptop. But that is not the market the iPad is targeting. What market is that exactly? What does this computer do well? I mean, it doesn't even look that good :/ Edit-- It's not going to run a million freaking degrees I can watch movies lying down now in my bed And what on earth does this have that a netbook doesn't, beside a big screen and no keyboard? | ||
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China13814 Posts
On January 28 2010 13:55 DeathSpank wrote: I'm gonna get one. It's not going to run a million freaking degrees I can watch movies lying down now in my bed, there will be an app for drawing/art and I can take it to my work to run price checks with ease. It's by far the most portable computer I've seen and all you guys can fuck off .Good luck getting the movies onto the thing in the first place | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On January 28 2010 13:45 Bosu wrote: Also as far as price goes. It is like 10$ more expensive then the Kindle DX and IMO much nicer. It is, but the Kindle DX is terrible. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On January 28 2010 13:52 VManOfMana wrote: iPhone gets that premium price BECAUSE it is a phone. What is the advantage of this over an iTouch? It has a bigger screen, and 3G, but it's unlikely you'll be taking it anywhere or commuting with it and the Touch has wifi. For utility, it's still got fairly little space, especially compared to what Netbooks are running these days, and they happen to be faster and also have excellent displays.Nothing to use it on? C'mon. There is plenty to use it on. It is not as much as your day-to-day computer, but its more than enough as a *satellite* of your computer. Its a mobile device, an appliance. It doesn't try to be your main computer. Really, if you want a mobile computer that does the same as a desktop computer, get a laptop. But that is not the market the iPad is targeting. WinMo7 is still not here. Android is very close software wise, but until the Nexus they never had the hardware to match the software. Apple got both since the original iPhone. And that was quite a bit ago. Lastly, how is it an obscene price? It is similarly priced to a iPhone without contract. It makes no calls and 3G costs extra, but you get a bigger screen, processing power and storage. Yes, I am an Apple fan. I became one when my brother and I convinced my mother to get an iMac G4 so she didn't have to deal with Windows. We are both software geeks rather than hardware geeks, so it didn't take us long to become fans of Mac OS X and have followed Apple's products since then. BTW, our previous favorite OSs were OS/2 and BeOS. | ||
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