Olbermann is a mutton head spewing whatever he can to save his sinking ship. He has nothing but foaming at the mouth ad hominem arguments. The recent race for Ted Kennedy's seat in mass sums this up nicely when he said.
“in Scott Brown we have an irresponsible, homophobic, racist, reactionary, ex-nude-model, tea-bagging supporter of violence against woman and against politicians with whom he disagrees.”
I remember when Keith did that bit. It was a riff on a previous joke about Brown. And it was valid criticism presented in a funny way. That's the entertainment part of Keith's show.
I would think Undisputed is Aegraen too. However, I have known Undisputed- over the internet for a few years as he was at one time one of my best friends roommates and I can sure you they are different people. I can also assure you that he loves Glenn Beck...
I honestly don't trust any of the news channels in general. I feel like they all are pushing an agenda. Fox just does it in a way that is way over the top and insane. And it works as they crush the other channels in ratings by 3-4X. Probably at least 1/3 of foxes viewers only watch to see the ridiculous shit they are spewing.
Sometimes products are popular but harmful. Crack cocaine. Fox News. Probably laws should be used to curtail their popularity and fix those who abuse them to destroy their lives and those around them.
Is it really unfair to use the law to require news organizations to not knowingly lie and distort; to make them liable for the damages from doing so? To count the air time as campaign ads where it clearly supports a party or candidate?
The runaway success of this fascist-like "right" is the real crisis in the U.S. It could very well tear down all pretenses of democracy if it keeps going the way it has been. It's foaming lunatic foot-soldiers are readily programmed to believe any position to the point of streaming tears and shotguns wielding. Neighboring countries are advised to beware.
On the other hand, no one should be surprised by this poll. Fox News beats other stations hands down. Fox News wins over real news (and things at least closer to it than Fox) the way Pokemon would win against a visit to the dentist. It's the worst kind of corruption; the kind that disrupts our very ability to know (as a nation) the world around us. Money was already buying votes quite successfully before we had Fox News. Fox puts the "bought" votes over the top.
On January 28 2010 11:08 old times sake wrote: The runaway success of this fascist-like "right" is the real crisis in the U.S. It could very well tear down all pretenses of democracy if it keeps going the way it has been. It's foaming lunatic foot-soldiers are readily programmed to believe any position to the point of streaming tears and shotguns wielding.
On January 28 2010 11:08 old times sake wrote: Sometimes products are popular but harmful. Crack cocaine. Fox News. Probably laws should be used to curtail their popularity and fix those who abuse them to destroy their lives and those around them.
Is it really unfair to use the law to require news organizations to not knowingly lie and distort; to make them liable for the damages from doing so? To count the air time as campaign ads where it clearly supports a party or candidate?
The runaway success of this fascist-like "right" is the real crisis in the U.S. It could very well tear down all pretenses of democracy if it keeps going the way it has been. It's foaming lunatic foot-soldiers are readily programmed to believe any position to the point of streaming tears and shotguns wielding. Neighboring countries are advised to beware.
On the other hand, no one should be surprised by this poll. Fox News beats other stations hands down. Fox News wins over real news (and things at least closer to it than Fox) the way Pokemon would win against a visit to the dentist. It's the worst kind of corruption; the kind that disrupts our very ability to know (as a nation) the world around us. Money was already buying votes quite successfully before we had Fox News. Fox puts the "bought" votes over the top.
Actually, curtailing opinions the way you feel is against the 1st amendment.
Everyone's protected by the Constitution to spew any opinion they like. It's just unfortunate that so many people think people like Beck and Rush has good ones.
On January 27 2010 11:13 Jibba wrote: It's interesting that no one in this thread has asked about sample size, sample demographics, polling methods, etc. I think everyone is pretty stupid, not just Americans.
1,151 voters (74% white, 63% 46 and older, 9% 18-29) and it was an automated phone survey (Do you trust ABC? Press 1 if yes, 2 if no, 3 if unsure, etc.) Within that, 14% Liberal, 47% Moderate (self-reporting Moderate means absolutely nothing), 39% Conservative, with just 36% Dems, 35% Republican and 29% Independent (most Independents are right-leaning.)
So it's a poll comprised mostly of white, old, conservatives who actually have the free time to complete a ridiculous phone survey. What did you think the outcome would be?
This is a really good point. I just assumed that the poll was incorporating a more balanced demographic due to the reputability of the institute behind it. These are pretty shoddy stats.
On January 27 2010 11:25 ktp wrote: CBS's 60 minutes had a incident last year where they not only used photo's from an unreliable source, but doctored the photo to make the people in it look more menacing. They apologized for the source of the photo, but never explained why they decided to make their heads and arms all giant and bloated. The segment was on internet hacking, and these kids are obviously a deadly "cyber gang."
Wow that's pathetic.
I used to watch CNN for my dose of American news, but the quality of their reporting seems to have really deteriorated in the last few years (twitter feeds, anyone?). What would you guys recommend for a professional and neutral news source?
In order for polls to be accurate, they can't pick out a certain amount of certain demographics, they just call houses randomly. If the only people who answer the polls are old, white folks that is not their problem.
PBS is a professional, unbais source.
I mostly agree, although methods and questions weren't very good. They chose a method most likely to attract that demographic. Still, it's up to the website reporting it to actually convey the rest of that information instead of just making terrible blanket statements like "Fox is most trusted news in America."
I can't remember the last time I've seen a news source present statistics like that. There's ALWAYS a bias, if not in the statistics themselves, then in the way they are delivered. Even if they did use more "professional" methods, most Americans wouldn't recognize unbiased reporting if they found it in their soup.
Edit: they only recognize biased reporting when it disagrees with them... e.g. Republicans trusting Fox, Democrats trusting just about any other TV network.
On January 28 2010 11:08 old times sake wrote: Sometimes products are popular but harmful. Crack cocaine. Fox News. Probably laws should be used to curtail their popularity and fix those who abuse them to destroy their lives and those around them.
Is it really unfair to use the law to require news organizations to not knowingly lie and distort; to make them liable for the damages from doing so? To count the air time as campaign ads where it clearly supports a party or candidate?
The runaway success of this fascist-like "right" is the real crisis in the U.S. It could very well tear down all pretenses of democracy if it keeps going the way it has been. It's foaming lunatic foot-soldiers are readily programmed to believe any position to the point of streaming tears and shotguns wielding. Neighboring countries are advised to beware.
On the other hand, no one should be surprised by this poll. Fox News beats other stations hands down. Fox News wins over real news (and things at least closer to it than Fox) the way Pokemon would win against a visit to the dentist. It's the worst kind of corruption; the kind that disrupts our very ability to know (as a nation) the world around us. Money was already buying votes quite successfully before we had Fox News. Fox puts the "bought" votes over the top.
Actually, curtailing opinions the way you feel is against the 1st amendment.
Everyone's protected by the Constitution to spew any opinion they like. It's just unfortunate that so many people think people like Beck and Rush has good ones.
Fox News can say whatever they want. Just not on television. Do you have a right to be on television? Because I don't. Also, lying to the public en masse for your own ends could be made a crime, no conflict with the 1st admendment. You don't have a right to do harm intentionally via your false speech, which is what Fox News does on a daily basis.
On January 28 2010 03:27 Last Romantic wrote: To be fair, in recent times fox has been factually outperforming most of the msm. I find that much sadder than this poll result.
Factually outperforming? What does that mean exactly?
On January 28 2010 11:08 old times sake wrote: Sometimes products are popular but harmful. Crack cocaine. Fox News. Probably laws should be used to curtail their popularity and fix those who abuse them to destroy their lives and those around them.
Is it really unfair to use the law to require news organizations to not knowingly lie and distort; to make them liable for the damages from doing so? To count the air time as campaign ads where it clearly supports a party or candidate?
The runaway success of this fascist-like "right" is the real crisis in the U.S. It could very well tear down all pretenses of democracy if it keeps going the way it has been. It's foaming lunatic foot-soldiers are readily programmed to believe any position to the point of streaming tears and shotguns wielding. Neighboring countries are advised to beware.
On the other hand, no one should be surprised by this poll. Fox News beats other stations hands down. Fox News wins over real news (and things at least closer to it than Fox) the way Pokemon would win against a visit to the dentist. It's the worst kind of corruption; the kind that disrupts our very ability to know (as a nation) the world around us. Money was already buying votes quite successfully before we had Fox News. Fox puts the "bought" votes over the top.
Actually, curtailing opinions the way you feel is against the 1st amendment.
Everyone's protected by the Constitution to spew any opinion they like. It's just unfortunate that so many people think people like Beck and Rush has good ones.
Fox News can say whatever they want. Just not on television. Do you have a right to be on television? Because I don't. Also, lying to the public en masse for your own ends could be made a crime, no conflict with the 1st admendment. You don't have a right to do harm intentionally via your false speech, which is what Fox News does on a daily basis.
You do realize that the bullshit spewed at Fox News are basically misleading opinions, right?
For example, the following statement is not techincally lying:
"Old times sakes may or may not be a murderer and a terrorist, but you know who's a terrorist? Bin Laden. You know who's a murderer? Hitler. I'm not saying old times sakes is Hitler or Bin Laden, but just something I want to throw out there."
See? True statements. Pure BS and very vicious, but not lying.
I should know, I am in the most oppressed minority in this country -- Misesian/Rothbardian Libertarian.
There is only one person on any of the major News networks that is a Natural Law libertarian and that is Judge Andrew Napolitano. Stossel is pretty good, but he is weak in many areas.
Those who lampoon Fox, but pass on NBC, or CNN, or MSNBC are clearly one and the same to those who lampoon NBC, but pass or laud Fox. You guys are no different. Reactionaries the lot of you.
As for Old Time's Sake. The world writ large is largely, Socialist, with a mix of Corporatism (We call this Mussolini Fascism). Man is not egalitarian. Man is not malleable. Have you learned nothing from the Classical-Liberal tradition? Have we forgotten all of history and economics beyond 1922? This intellectual malfeasance, morass, and languish to elevate the State to omnipotence is leading us to our peril. Liberty, is new. Tyranny is old.
I must also let Old Time's Sake know that we are not a Democracy. We are a Constitutional Republic. Of course, no one even thinks about or follows the Constitution, and the Constitution does not itself have an enforcement wing. Indeed, Lysander Spooner destroyed the Theory of Social Contract and Thomas Hobbes. We do not need the State. The utopians are the ones who believe that State power can be corraled. Those who do not heed Lord Acton.
The very thing you covet, is the very thing that will destroy you. Will you listen to John Locke, JB Say, J.A.R. Turgot, Gustave De Molinari, Ludwig von Mises, De Tracy, and Thomas Jefferson?
On January 29 2010 01:21 Rothbardian wrote: Every News Outlet is a Propaganda Machine.
I should know, I am in the most oppressed minority in this country -- Misesian/Rothbardian Libertarian.
There is only one person on any of the major News networks that is a Natural Law libertarian and that is Judge Andrew Napolitano. Stossel is pretty good, but he is weak in many areas.
Those who lampoon Fox, but pass on NBC, or CNN, or MSNBC are clearly one and the same to those who lampoon NBC, but pass or laud Fox. You guys are no different. Reactionaries the lot of you.
As for Old Time's Sake. The world writ large is largely, Socialist, with a mix of Corporatism (We call this Mussolini Fascism). Man is not egalitarian. Man is not malleable. Have you learned nothing from the Classical-Liberal tradition? Have we forgotten all of history and economics beyond 1922? This intellectual malfeasance, morass, and languish to elevate the State to omnipotence is leading us to our peril. Liberty, is new. Tyranny is old.
I must also let Old Time's Sake know that we are not a Democracy. We are a Constitutional Republic. Of course, no one even thinks about or follows the Constitution, and the Constitution does not itself have an enforcement wing. Indeed, Lysander Spooner destroyed the Theory of Social Contract and Thomas Hobbes. We do not need the State. The utopians are the ones who believe that State power can be corraled. Those who do not heed Lord Acton.
The very thing you covet, is the very thing that will destroy you. Will you listen to John Locke, JB Say, J.A.R. Turgot, Gustave De Molinari, Ludwig von Mises, De Tracy, and Thomas Jefferson?
State propaganda is state propaganda.
Hah HAH!! good chap!!! We are underrepresented here at TL! Next thing you know you'll have some mathematical economics college student reigning down on you 'cause he equates praxeology with creationism ^^
On January 29 2010 01:21 Rothbardian wrote: Every News Outlet is a Propaganda Machine.
I should know, I am in the most oppressed minority in this country -- Misesian/Rothbardian Libertarian.
There is only one person on any of the major News networks that is a Natural Law libertarian and that is Judge Andrew Napolitano. Stossel is pretty good, but he is weak in many areas.
Those who lampoon Fox, but pass on NBC, or CNN, or MSNBC are clearly one and the same to those who lampoon NBC, but pass or laud Fox. You guys are no different. Reactionaries the lot of you.
As for Old Time's Sake. The world writ large is largely, Socialist, with a mix of Corporatism (We call this Mussolini Fascism). Man is not egalitarian. Man is not malleable. Have you learned nothing from the Classical-Liberal tradition? Have we forgotten all of history and economics beyond 1922? This intellectual malfeasance, morass, and languish to elevate the State to omnipotence is leading us to our peril. Liberty, is new. Tyranny is old.
I must also let Old Time's Sake know that we are not a Democracy. We are a Constitutional Republic. Of course, no one even thinks about or follows the Constitution, and the Constitution does not itself have an enforcement wing. Indeed, Lysander Spooner destroyed the Theory of Social Contract and Thomas Hobbes. We do not need the State. The utopians are the ones who believe that State power can be corraled. Those who do not heed Lord Acton.
The very thing you covet, is the very thing that will destroy you. Will you listen to John Locke, JB Say, J.A.R. Turgot, Gustave De Molinari, Ludwig von Mises, De Tracy, and Thomas Jefferson?
State propaganda is state propaganda.
Hah HAH!! good chap!!! We are underrepresented here at TL! Next thing you know you'll have some mathematical economics college student reigning down on you 'cause he equates praxeology with creationism ^^
Oh shi--- I'm not alone! :p
As a matter of fact, I have Rothbard's Two Volume History of Economic Thought in front of me. I'm on the second book. I do enjoy his take on the French Laissez-Faire liberals. We have forgotten so much. I bet I could ask 500 people and maybe out of these 500 two may understand the Broken Window Fallacy, or even know who Frederic Bastiat is.
Praxeology/A Priorism -- Human Action is Economics as Astronomy is to Astrology. IS-LM Keynesianism/Monetarism/Neo-Classicism is not Economics as Astrology is to Astronomy.
Oh, have you seen the video "Fear the Boom and Bust"? It just geeked out my Econ and Philosophy senses. Hayek was pretty good on international trade and Prices and Production, but I did not like Constitution of Liberty.
Its funny when people say Fox News shouldn't be on the air or have the right to broadcast. If you believe that you should go move some where more oppressive.
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