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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On January 27 2010 10:25 Archerofaiur wrote: Im not heeerrrreeeeeee This isnt happeniinggggg You're living in a fantasy world. + Show Spoiler + This thread is depressing. Sometimes I just feel like I don't fit in America, because of ridiculous spdewed out shit like Fox News. CNN looks brilliant compared to Fox news. | ||
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MisteR
Netherlands595 Posts
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On January 27 2010 11:07 blahman3344 wrote: its quite obvious that the audience of fox news is a majority who sees intellect as an elitist flaw (yes i took that from jon stewart =P) but on a more serious note: fox news tends to gather its audience by being the only news station that creates a spectacle with its lies, and some people are too stupid to think for themselves and get caught up in this spectacle. its a sad truth of life =\ Yup. I think alot of people aren't interested in watching 'the news' so much as info-tainment. I remember reading about a study which showed that people who watched the Daily Show got as much news content from it as people who watched the major news outlets like CBS NBC etc On January 27 2010 11:13 Jibba wrote: It's interesting that no one in this thread has asked about sample size, sample demographics, polling methods, etc. I think everyone is pretty stupid, not just Americans. 1,151 voters (74% white, 63% 46 and older, 9% 18-29) and it was an automated phone survey (Do you trust ABC? Press 1 if yes, 2 if no, 3 if unsure, etc.) Within that, 14% Liberal, 47% Moderate (self-reporting Moderate means absolutely nothing), 39% Conservative, with just 36% Dems, 35% Republican and 29% Independent (most Independents are right-leaning.) So it's a poll comprised mostly of white, old, conservatives who actually have the free time to complete a ridiculous phone survey. What did you think the outcome would be? Yeah good point. I was wondering about sample size, how the poll was conducted etc. I'm glad you bothered to read the original article. Fox is awful but I don't think they're necessarily as 'trusted' as this article would imply. Good catch  | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17609 Posts
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Last Romantic
United States20661 Posts
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sharkeyanti
United States1273 Posts
On January 28 2010 02:57 Subversive wrote: Yup. I think alot of people aren't interested in watching 'the news' so much as info-tainment. I remember reading about a study which showed that people who watched the Daily Show got as much news content from it as people who watched the major news outlets like CBS NBC etc Yeah good point. I was wondering about sample size, how the poll was conducted etc. I'm glad you bothered to read the original article. Fox is awful but I don't think they're necessarily as 'trusted' as this article would imply. Good catch This definitely speaks to the larger problem of polling America. Using 1k-2k people as your n, and using a standardized telephone survey has waaaaaaaaaaaaay too many biases. At this point, the awareness of polling is so great that people have way too many notions about the choices they are given. Another large problem I see sort of dovetails with what you said about old white conservatives being the ones who take these surveys. While I would not say that it is just this demographic, I feel that those who do take the survey are people who "want" to respond to the survey. I usually hang up the phone when it is not someone I know or something important, and there seems to be a general trend for some people to not care about certain callers. If you asked a passionate conservative/liberal/Democrat/Republican if they would like to take a survey about their political beliefs, I would imagine that they'd be more inclined to do so than those who are blase towards the topic. To me, a proper survey that aims at showing national trends needs at least 10k participants. Of course this seems arbitrary, but in a survey that has inherent biases I think it is important to have a alrger representation of peoples. As far as the actual results of this survey go... fuck cable news. Regardless of each stations biases, 24 hour news cheapens everything. The logistical day between news and print in the days of yore allowed the information to mature in the mind of the writer and the participants in the events. Insta-News skews the actuality of events so much, it NEEDS to go away. | ||
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KnightOfNi
United States1508 Posts
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L
Canada4732 Posts
Oh because the media wouldn't report on it. | ||
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Louder
United States2276 Posts
Fox News tells xenophobic, patriotic Jesus lovers what they want to hear. It gives them wars to cheer for, un-American "liberals" to hate, and good old boy faces with strong chins to tell them how honest and trustworthy the network is. It's a joke and it caters to ignorance, racism, sexism, homophobia, and Christianity, at the expense of honesty, accurate facts, and anything else of value you would expect to find in the "news". I love the "MSNBC Response" to Fox News' bias. Show me the endless examples of MSNBC flat out lying and you'll have a point. Show me the endless examples of MSNBC showing partisan bias to the extent that it officially supports candidates while giving literally nothing but negative coverage of their opponent. Show me Hannity and O'Reilly going after Republicans in congress the way Olbermann goes after Democrats. Won't happen. Know why? Because MSNBC is barely left of center - and I mean America's center, which is quite conservative - and Fox News is so far off the charts on the right there isn't a word for it. To be clear, I vastly prefer BBC and Al Jazeera to any of the American networks. What I like about watching Al Jazeera in particular is that I never hear opinions. It's pretty crazy ... news reported as it happens without some talking head interpreting it for me. | ||
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Macavenger
United States1132 Posts
On January 28 2010 01:47 BlackJack wrote: Just like Olbermann/Maddow make no secret of being liberal. These are OPINIONATED SHOWS. Olbermann recently referred to Scott Brown as a homophobic, sexist, racist, supporter of violence against woman. He is just as bad or worse than anyone on FoxNews yet everyone on the left loves him, just like everyone on the left loves John Stewart. So clearly it's not about despising unbiased cable news, because if that was true Keith Olbermann would be just as hated as Sean Hannity instead of being hailed as a "truth teller." It's really all about despising unbiased cable news that don't align with people's political views. MSNBC watchers are no better than the "ignorant redneck / xbox live playing / gun owners" that watch FoxNews. Actually, I'm a fairly hard leftist (by US standards at least), and don't care for Olbermann or Maddow much either. Shultz and Matthews are sometimes tolerable but go over the top frequently. Jon Stewart is pretty amazing, because he doesn't go off on people in the same way, rather just making you laugh at the ridiculousness of it all. I end up getting most of my news from PBS (occassionally), and sites like politicalwire and fivethirtyeight. | ||
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Louder
United States2276 Posts
On January 28 2010 04:34 Macavenger wrote: Actually, I'm a fairly hard leftist (by US standards at least), and don't care for Olbermann or Maddow much either. Shultz and Matthews are sometimes tolerable but go over the top frequently. Jon Stewart is pretty amazing, because he doesn't go off on people in the same way, rather just making you laugh at the ridiculousness of it all. I end up getting most of my news from PBS (occassionally), and sites like politicalwire and fivethirtyeight. I think this is how most liberals actually feel. I agree with you completely. Which is why MSNBC has only a fraction of the viewership of Fox News - liberals don't fall for the same tricks conservatives do  | ||
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
I hope Americans don't take this poll at its facial value and actually think a little. I know somebody who trusts everything that FOX says and we always argue whenever we see each other. | ||
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zeppelin
United States565 Posts
On January 28 2010 03:27 Last Romantic wrote: To be fair, in recent times fox has been factually outperforming most of the msm. I find that much sadder than this poll result. Differentiating fox from the "msm" is part of the culture war strategy that fox has deliberately pursued. it cultivates an "us vs them" mentality which pervades the network and its programming. Fox gets the highest ratings so they are part of the mainstream media, whether they (or we) like it or not. | ||
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zeppelin
United States565 Posts
On January 28 2010 04:34 Macavenger wrote: Actually, I'm a fairly hard leftist (by US standards at least), and don't care for Olbermann or Maddow much either. Shultz and Matthews are sometimes tolerable but go over the top frequently. Jon Stewart is pretty amazing, because he doesn't go off on people in the same way, rather just making you laugh at the ridiculousness of it all. I end up getting most of my news from PBS (occassionally), and sites like politicalwire and fivethirtyeight. Matthews doesn't have any political convictions of his own, he just chases popular narratives to look like he's with the times. Everyone who cites the "thrill up the leg" comment he made about Obama as "proof" he's somehow liberal conveniently ignores how he gushed over Bush looking heroic and manly in a flight suit during the whole Mission Accomplished thing. | ||
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Undisputed-
United States379 Posts
On January 28 2010 04:27 Louder wrote: Fox News has always been master of the tactic of constantly calling other networks unreliable and calling themselves the most fair, balanced, accountable, etc. You repeat anything enough, people believe it. FAIR AND BALANCED. FAIR AND BALANCED. People are suckers. Fox News tells xenophobic, patriotic Jesus lovers what they want to hear. It gives them wars to cheer for, un-American "liberals" to hate, and good old boy faces with strong chins to tell them how honest and trustworthy the network is. It's a joke and it caters to ignorance, racism, sexism, homophobia, and Christianity, at the expense of honesty, accurate facts, and anything else of value you would expect to find in the "news". I love the "MSNBC Response" to Fox News' bias. Show me the endless examples of MSNBC flat out lying and you'll have a point. Show me the endless examples of MSNBC showing partisan bias to the extent that it officially supports candidates while giving literally nothing but negative coverage of their opponent. Show me Hannity and O'Reilly going after Republicans in congress the way Olbermann goes after Democrats. Won't happen. Know why? Because MSNBC is barely left of center - and I mean America's center, which is quite conservative - and Fox News is so far off the charts on the right there isn't a word for it. To be clear, I vastly prefer BBC and Al Jazeera to any of the American networks. What I like about watching Al Jazeera in particular is that I never hear opinions. It's pretty crazy ... news reported as it happens without some talking head interpreting it for me. This is a joke right, hahahahaha. Both O'Reilly and Beck have heavily criticized Bush with his management of hurricane katrina, rising oil prices and all of his spending to name a few. MSNBC just does not cover anything of substance. Everytime I flip through without fail they are smearing Palin for who knows what reason since she isn't even holding office anymore. Olbermann is a mutton head spewing whatever he can to save his sinking ship. He has nothing but foaming at the mouth ad hominem arguments. The recent race for Ted Kennedy's seat in mass sums this up nicely when he said. “in Scott Brown we have an irresponsible, homophobic, racist, reactionary, ex-nude-model, tea-bagging supporter of violence against woman and against politicians with whom he disagrees.” He only attacks conservative democrats to fall in line with MSNBC's agenda. MSNBC is further left then Fox is right. Fox will continue to dominate until other networks get off their knees for washington. | ||
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Rev0lution
United States1805 Posts
On January 27 2010 10:19 theKOT wrote: Wow that's funny I'm a Conservative without a party and I can't stand or trust FOX. Are you over 40 years old? If your young, why are you a conservative? Is conservatism a phase your going through, or is it to piss off your parents, college, friends? I take your a conservative but not a republican,right? I just don't understand why kids choose to be conservative? The best part of being young is to explore and rebel against the old ways (if, of course they are wrong) | ||
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Rev0lution
United States1805 Posts
MSNBC has three liberal shows. Countdown, Rachel Maddow Show, Ed Schultz. These three shows are pretty liberal in their view and the hosts make no effort to hide their bias. They explain their points and trash the other side, no doubt about that. Sometimes they go over the line but that's it. One thing about MSNBC is they are never demagogues or outright support a group. Fox's entire lineup is conservative, that is except for Special Report with Brett Beuer which is pretty solid. Fox is outright propaganda from the republican party. You now have 2 republican candidates working for FOX, Palin and Huckabee. Their Primetime starting from beck to hannity is outright batshit insane. Beck is a demagogue and probably believes the shit he spews every day. His show is full with racist conspiracy theories. He often and I mean very often compares the administration with Mao, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot. He invites radical right wingers on his show. The equivalent to MSNBC having Noam Chomsky for an interview. Hannity is also batshit insane, he calls the president so many names it's hard to keep up. Kids, Obama is not a socialist. Read a History book or political science book or google political compass to see where our president's views compare to an actual socialist. At best Obama is a left of center Democrat. Hardly a social democrat and far from a real socialist A social Democrat would be someone like Dennis Kucinnich or Feingold A Socialist would be Bernie Sanders. | ||
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
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..Slick...
United States202 Posts
On January 28 2010 06:58 Undisputed- wrote: This is a joke right, hahahahaha. Both O'Reilly and Beck have heavily criticized Bush with his management of hurricane katrina management, rising oil prices and all of his spending to name a few. MSNBC just does not cover anything of substance. Everytime I flip through without fail they are smearing Palin for who knows what reason since she isn't even holding office anymore. Olbermann is a mutton head spewing whatever he can to save his sinking ship. He has nothing but foaming at the mouth ad hominem arguments. The recent race for Ted Kennedy's seat in mass sums this up nicely when he said. “in Scott Brown we have an irresponsible, homophobic, racist, reactionary, ex-nude-model, tea-bagging supporter of violence against woman and against politicians with whom he disagrees.” He only attacks conservative democrats to fall in line with MSNBC's agenda. MSNBC is further left then Fox is right. Fox will continue to dominate until other networks get off their knees for washington. LOL YOU HAVE TO BE JOKING RIGHT? | ||
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Inzek
Chile802 Posts
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