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Same thing didn't happen with the bird flu. And these estimates are very specific ones. They didn't predict 100% that 150 million people were going to die. That's stupid.
The chief of the UN said that up to 150 million people can die from the bird flu. How is that not throwing a half-assed prediction that people are gonna catch up on, out there?
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On January 11 2010 21:42 hifriend wrote:
How could you know it's bs beforehand? What we actually heard from scientific institutions was a consensus that the virus was potentially dangerous especially to certain groups of people, so wouldn't it make sense to take the vaccine as recommended, if not to protect yourself then perhaps in order to protect small children, diabetics etc?
Well i have a crystal ball, so i know pretty much everything. By the way Movie will 3-1 Flash in the OSL finals.
On the serious note: History, experience and brain helping me to distinguish bs from the real thing. Sorry but i am not a sheep to do everything what is recommnded, especially if i find it stupid. Not even protecting small children and heavy diagnosed people gonna make me to do so...sorry
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On January 11 2010 21:54 Foucault wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2010 21:42 hifriend wrote:
How could you know it's bs beforehand? What we actually heard from scientific institutions was a consensus that the virus was potentially dangerous especially to certain groups of people, so wouldn't it make sense to take the vaccine as recommended, if not to protect yourself then perhaps in order to protect small children, diabetics etc? Because the same thing has happened with the bird flu for instance where there were to be an estimated 150 million deaths worldwide according to UN chief. There are about 250 people who've died from bird flu worldwide so far... I think you fail to understand the key point discussed here: the fact that medical companies influence scientific institutions ALOT, creating panic and alarms that are blown out way out of proportion. And that is actually an understatement. Also, 99% of the people who get the flu and don't have a very serious underlying illness just get a regular flu and then become healthy again. Why the hell should we get expensive flu shots for that?
As far as I know the bird flu hasn't mutated to a state where it is contagious among human beings, still there's a possibility that at one point it might. That strain of flu has actually proven to be both very virulent and deadly, so while I agree that media and other institutions might have blown it out of proportion it's a completely different scenario than this one.
I don't really see why you'd automatically assume that due to one strain of flu not turning out to be a pandemic, there is no reason to fear any subsequent ones. Surely you've read of the 1918 flu pandemic etc?
The reason why I personally would take a flu shot (although I haven't had the opportunity) is in order to protect not only myself but especially those who are in actual danger of dying, and none of us are really in a position to say whether a relatively recently sprung up flu strain might mutate into something worse.
Imo people who trust and base their decisions on conspiracist internet blogs rather than scientific institutions don't get to say 'haha told ya'.
edit: of course I completely support this investigation, if it turns out medical companies have had a big influence on our perception/measures of this flu then I agree that's completely fucked up.
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You're right about the fact that the bird flu isn't as easily spread as the swine flu.
I'm also not denying the fact that people have died from swine flu and while the number of deaths isn't large in a bigger picture, there still are some deaths. The problem is that the swine flu is portrayed as a flu that you DON'T want to get. But the thing is that the risk of dying of swine flu is pretty damn small unless you have some serious medical condition beforehand.
So why all the fuss about the dangers of bird flu when it isn't more deadly than the annual flu? This is where medical companies come in, directly influencing and manipulating the information that media puts out regarding the swine flu. Well it's more second-hand information, but it's the same message: Swine flu is a horrible and deadly flu and you must take every precaution possible to avoid getting it. Quite laughable imo
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i dont know how much money they make off the vaccine shots but ever since swine flu came around, i havent been able to go into any public place without seeing hand sanitizer everywhere.
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Christ, so you guys just run to your personal labs and test the swine flus lethality?
I don't understand how you can say you were sure that this virus was nothing to be worried about when so many scientists worldwide recommended governments to buy a reserve of the vaccine..
Yea i know you were right in the end, but not listening to the advice of medical experts because your 'brain' tells you not to, will get you killed someday. What worries me most is the 'cry wolf' effect where alot of people will not get the vaccine because "The last 2 times they told me to, nothing happened" and die from a real bad ass pandemic (Goat flu!!)
I didnt get the vaccine either, but that's mostly because it was made with mercury and i know a whole lot about mercury. I would have gotten vaccinated if it had been made without heavy metals.. ( I mean, why not?)
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On January 11 2010 22:28 onewingedmoogle wrote:
i dont know how much money they make off the vaccine shots but ever since swine flu came around, i havent been able to go into any public place without seeing hand sanitizer everywhere.
Maybe this is all one big conspiracy of the hand sanitizer production companies.
O_O
hmmm damn you purell you nifty bastards.
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On January 11 2010 22:18 hifriend wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2010 21:54 Foucault wrote:On January 11 2010 21:42 hifriend wrote:
How could you know it's bs beforehand? What we actually heard from scientific institutions was a consensus that the virus was potentially dangerous especially to certain groups of people, so wouldn't it make sense to take the vaccine as recommended, if not to protect yourself then perhaps in order to protect small children, diabetics etc? Because the same thing has happened with the bird flu for instance where there were to be an estimated 150 million deaths worldwide according to UN chief. There are about 250 people who've died from bird flu worldwide so far... I think you fail to understand the key point discussed here: the fact that medical companies influence scientific institutions ALOT, creating panic and alarms that are blown out way out of proportion. And that is actually an understatement. Also, 99% of the people who get the flu and don't have a very serious underlying illness just get a regular flu and then become healthy again. Why the hell should we get expensive flu shots for that? As far as I know the bird flu hasn't mutated to a state where it is contagious among human beings, still there's a possibility that at one point it might. That strain of flu has actually proven to be both very virulent and deadly, so while I agree that media and other institutions might have blown it out of proportion it's a completely different scenario than this one. I don't really see why you'd automatically assume that due to one strain of flu not turning out to be a pandemic, there is no reason to fear any subsequent ones. Surely you've read of the 1918 flu pandemic etc? The reason why I personally would take a flu shot (although I haven't had the opportunity) is in order to protect not only myself but especially those who are in actual danger of dying, and none of us are really in a position to say whether a relatively recently sprung up flu strain might mutate into something worse. Imo people who trust and base their decisions on conspiracist internet blogs rather than scientific institutions don't get to say 'haha told ya'. edit: of course I completely support this investigation, if it turns out medical companies have had a big influence on our perception/measures of this flu then I agree that's completely fucked up.
I think there might be a difference between people with common sense and "people who trust and base their decisions on conspiracist internet blogs". I am actually against any flu shots, not just H1N1. All the people around me are going to be sick........*cough*bullshit*cough*
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This whole investigation will be a complete joke. The EU behaves in the same way as WHO; e.g. recently they have banned the traditional bulbs in favour of compact fluorescent lamps just because few of the German (I think) manufacturers have spend billions of dollars on building factories that could supply them. Unfortunately those "new" bulbs are multiple times more expensive than the traditional ones, give much different light and... seem to be inferior to LED bulbs, that will probably become popular during next 10 years. Few companies have invested in wrong technology - and everyone in the EU will pay.
I frankly believe that this institution will do anything, because not only it is as corrupted as WHO, but also it simply too big and too divided with all the member countries. The governments/EU dont really do anything for average people; but the general hatred towards the waste of public spending is so high that they have to pretend to be doing something.
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On January 11 2010 22:38 Ricjames wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2010 22:18 hifriend wrote:On January 11 2010 21:54 Foucault wrote:On January 11 2010 21:42 hifriend wrote:
How could you know it's bs beforehand? What we actually heard from scientific institutions was a consensus that the virus was potentially dangerous especially to certain groups of people, so wouldn't it make sense to take the vaccine as recommended, if not to protect yourself then perhaps in order to protect small children, diabetics etc? Because the same thing has happened with the bird flu for instance where there were to be an estimated 150 million deaths worldwide according to UN chief. There are about 250 people who've died from bird flu worldwide so far... I think you fail to understand the key point discussed here: the fact that medical companies influence scientific institutions ALOT, creating panic and alarms that are blown out way out of proportion. And that is actually an understatement. Also, 99% of the people who get the flu and don't have a very serious underlying illness just get a regular flu and then become healthy again. Why the hell should we get expensive flu shots for that? As far as I know the bird flu hasn't mutated to a state where it is contagious among human beings, still there's a possibility that at one point it might. That strain of flu has actually proven to be both very virulent and deadly, so while I agree that media and other institutions might have blown it out of proportion it's a completely different scenario than this one. I don't really see why you'd automatically assume that due to one strain of flu not turning out to be a pandemic, there is no reason to fear any subsequent ones. Surely you've read of the 1918 flu pandemic etc? The reason why I personally would take a flu shot (although I haven't had the opportunity) is in order to protect not only myself but especially those who are in actual danger of dying, and none of us are really in a position to say whether a relatively recently sprung up flu strain might mutate into something worse. Imo people who trust and base their decisions on conspiracist internet blogs rather than scientific institutions don't get to say 'haha told ya'. edit: of course I completely support this investigation, if it turns out medical companies have had a big influence on our perception/measures of this flu then I agree that's completely fucked up. I think there might be a difference between people with common sense and "people who trust and base their decisions on conspiracist internet blogs". I am actually against any flu shots, not just H1N1. All the people around me are going to be sick........*cough*bullshit*cough*
So in your opinion other pandemics such as the spanish flu, wiping out somewhere between 50 and 100 million people worldwide would be what.. Magical mythical fairytales? 
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On January 11 2010 22:38 Ricjames wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2010 22:18 hifriend wrote:On January 11 2010 21:54 Foucault wrote:On January 11 2010 21:42 hifriend wrote:
How could you know it's bs beforehand? What we actually heard from scientific institutions was a consensus that the virus was potentially dangerous especially to certain groups of people, so wouldn't it make sense to take the vaccine as recommended, if not to protect yourself then perhaps in order to protect small children, diabetics etc? Because the same thing has happened with the bird flu for instance where there were to be an estimated 150 million deaths worldwide according to UN chief. There are about 250 people who've died from bird flu worldwide so far... I think you fail to understand the key point discussed here: the fact that medical companies influence scientific institutions ALOT, creating panic and alarms that are blown out way out of proportion. And that is actually an understatement. Also, 99% of the people who get the flu and don't have a very serious underlying illness just get a regular flu and then become healthy again. Why the hell should we get expensive flu shots for that? As far as I know the bird flu hasn't mutated to a state where it is contagious among human beings, still there's a possibility that at one point it might. That strain of flu has actually proven to be both very virulent and deadly, so while I agree that media and other institutions might have blown it out of proportion it's a completely different scenario than this one. I don't really see why you'd automatically assume that due to one strain of flu not turning out to be a pandemic, there is no reason to fear any subsequent ones. Surely you've read of the 1918 flu pandemic etc? The reason why I personally would take a flu shot (although I haven't had the opportunity) is in order to protect not only myself but especially those who are in actual danger of dying, and none of us are really in a position to say whether a relatively recently sprung up flu strain might mutate into something worse. Imo people who trust and base their decisions on conspiracist internet blogs rather than scientific institutions don't get to say 'haha told ya'. edit: of course I completely support this investigation, if it turns out medical companies have had a big influence on our perception/measures of this flu then I agree that's completely fucked up. I think there might be a difference between people with common sense and "people who trust and base their decisions on conspiracist internet blogs". I am actually against any flu shots, not just H1N1. All the people around me are going to be sick........*cough*bullshit*cough*
But do you know why you are against flu shots? - Is it because you believe in strengthening your immune system the old fashion way? or maybe because you are afraid the vaccine will make you sick? Or perhaps you just don't believe that you can get the flu? Medicine is the devil? ... what?Common sense is not much of a reason tbh.
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On January 11 2010 22:32 Ao_Jun wrote:
Christ, so you guys just run to your personal labs and test the swine flus lethality?
I don't understand how you can say you were sure that this virus was nothing to be worried about when so many scientists worldwide recommended governments to buy a reserve of the vaccine..
Yea i know you were right in the end, but not listening to the advice of medical experts because your 'brain' tells you not to, will get you killed someday. What worries me most is the 'cry wolf' effect where alot of people will not get the vaccine because "The last 2 times they told me to, nothing happened" and die from a real bad ass pandemic (Goat flu!!)
I didnt get the vaccine either, but that's mostly because it was made with mercury and i know a whole lot about mercury. I would have gotten vaccinated if it had been made without heavy metals.. ( I mean, why not?)
Well I was scared of the virus of course (who wouldn't with the media doing so much to make people scared). I was still thinking that it will be 95% bs. The vaccine was not tested properly and there was bigger chance it would harm you than it would help you. And if you didn't have any side effects after taking the shot, that doesn't mean it wouldn't affect your body at all....
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Actually I don't know why I'm even discussing this. You people really have a sad way of reasoning.. let's look at it this way.
1. Pandemics occasionally plague humanity since the beginning of time, often killing millions of people in a mere couple of weeks.
2. Humans get fed up with dying to diseases, makes tremendous advances in biochemistry and miraculously finds a way to prevent disease from taking place in the human body.
3. Retards decide they know a whole lot better than science, refuses to take the shots on principle, and the solution we worked so hard to achieve in turn becomes tooth-less. But hey, at least you're not a mindless sheep!
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While the flu is not that dangerous to the average person off the street, he is still going to be spreading it to people who already have a condition that with the swine flu mixed in, could lead in serious threat to their health.
Not that I doubt that there has been some kind of exaggaration coming from medical companies.
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On January 11 2010 22:52 hifriend wrote:Actually I don't know why I'm even discussing this. You people really have a sad way of reasoning.. let's look at it this way. 1. Pandemics occasionally plague humanity since the beginning of time, often killing millions of people in a mere couple of weeks. 2. Humans get fed up with dying to diseases, makes tremendous advances in biochemistry and miraculously finds a way to prevent disease from taking place in the human body. 3. Retards decide they know a whole lot better than science, refuses to take the shots on principle, and the solution we worked so hard to achieve in turn becomes tooth-less. But hey, at least you're not a mindless sheep!
Evolution.
*wink*
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On January 11 2010 22:52 hifriend wrote:Actually I don't know why I'm even discussing this. You people really have a sad way of reasoning.. let's look at it this way. 1. Pandemics occasionally plague humanity since the beginning of time, often killing millions of people in a mere couple of weeks. 2. Humans get fed up with dying to diseases, makes tremendous advances in biochemistry and miraculously finds a way to prevent disease from taking place in the human body. 3. Retards decide they know a whole lot better than science, refuses to take the shots on principle, and the solution we worked so hard to achieve in turn becomes tooth-less. But hey, at least you're not a mindless sheep!
Well, the big pandemics that killed a lot of humans could have been easily prevented not by medicine, but with super single things like clean water and good personal hyegene :
- plague (transmited by flea)
- cholera (transmited by water)
- small pox ( countries suffering from it were mostly third world african states)
- spanish flu (occured during the first world war, when the living conditions were terrible everywhere)
I am not saying that vaccines are neseccary a bad thing, but if half of the money spent on producing vaccines and medicines were spent ot improving the living conditions of the people, major pandemics will be history.
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On January 11 2010 22:48 Ao_Jun wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2010 22:38 Ricjames wrote:On January 11 2010 22:18 hifriend wrote:On January 11 2010 21:54 Foucault wrote:On January 11 2010 21:42 hifriend wrote:
How could you know it's bs beforehand? What we actually heard from scientific institutions was a consensus that the virus was potentially dangerous especially to certain groups of people, so wouldn't it make sense to take the vaccine as recommended, if not to protect yourself then perhaps in order to protect small children, diabetics etc? Because the same thing has happened with the bird flu for instance where there were to be an estimated 150 million deaths worldwide according to UN chief. There are about 250 people who've died from bird flu worldwide so far... I think you fail to understand the key point discussed here: the fact that medical companies influence scientific institutions ALOT, creating panic and alarms that are blown out way out of proportion. And that is actually an understatement. Also, 99% of the people who get the flu and don't have a very serious underlying illness just get a regular flu and then become healthy again. Why the hell should we get expensive flu shots for that? As far as I know the bird flu hasn't mutated to a state where it is contagious among human beings, still there's a possibility that at one point it might. That strain of flu has actually proven to be both very virulent and deadly, so while I agree that media and other institutions might have blown it out of proportion it's a completely different scenario than this one. I don't really see why you'd automatically assume that due to one strain of flu not turning out to be a pandemic, there is no reason to fear any subsequent ones. Surely you've read of the 1918 flu pandemic etc? The reason why I personally would take a flu shot (although I haven't had the opportunity) is in order to protect not only myself but especially those who are in actual danger of dying, and none of us are really in a position to say whether a relatively recently sprung up flu strain might mutate into something worse. Imo people who trust and base their decisions on conspiracist internet blogs rather than scientific institutions don't get to say 'haha told ya'. edit: of course I completely support this investigation, if it turns out medical companies have had a big influence on our perception/measures of this flu then I agree that's completely fucked up. I think there might be a difference between people with common sense and "people who trust and base their decisions on conspiracist internet blogs". I am actually against any flu shots, not just H1N1. All the people around me are going to be sick........*cough*bullshit*cough* But do you know why you are against flu shots? - Is it because you believe in strengthening your immune system the old fashion way? or maybe because you are afraid the vaccine will make you sick? Or perhaps you just don't believe that you can get the flu? Medicine is the devil? ... what?Common sense is not much of a reason tbh.
Well the body can fight with virus like flu easily without any support. Also these shots can affect the body in a hidden way. I believe it can affect your imune system and body's capability of dealing with allergies. This wasn't proven or disproven so it is pretty much my own opinion. Also speaking about allergies, i think vaccination might be a part of the cause of allergies being so big last 20-30 years. I am not a scientist so i am not saying that this opinion is right, but you know even scientists might be wrong some time. So i am just trying to be as safe as possible with using the capability the nature gave me.
As i said somewhere, the percentage of me dying of swine flu was a lot smaller than my body being affected/harmed by swine flu vaccine (somehow) and i was willing to take that risk.
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I can so much understand it. Swineflu was just a god-damn fake, or how do you read the fact, that not even medicins took the shot against swineflu and that nobody seriously was infected? damn pharmalobby-bullshit ..
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On January 11 2010 23:32 BBS wrote:
I can so much understand it. Swineflu was just a god-damn fake, or how do you read the fact, that not even medicins took the shot against swineflu and that nobody seriously was infected? damn pharmalobby-bullshit ..
Majority of doctors/scientists who have done their homework took the flu shot.
The swine flu IS dangerous to people who have another condition that enhances the effect of swine flu, this is common sense obv. it works just like normal flu in this case, but the swine flu is also very easily spread, such there was a danger of it becoming more serious in the future as it evolves.
If WHO or the other health care sources did claim that it is dangerous to the average Joe right now, then they did exaggarate obviously.
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