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Europe to Investigate the UN Over H1N1 ‘Pandemic’ - Page 4

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Wr3k
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2533 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-11 18:20:07
January 11 2010 18:19 GMT
#61
Got swine flu before vaccine was available in my city (still think it was overhyped, I didn't die or anything, just felt like garbage for 4-5 days)
muse5187
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
1125 Posts
January 11 2010 18:25 GMT
#62
On January 12 2010 03:19 Wr3k wrote:
Got swine flu before vaccine was available in my city (still think it was overhyped, I didn't die or anything, just felt like garbage for 4-5 days)


same \o/
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
January 11 2010 18:29 GMT
#63
We're truly fucked if we got scammed by the WHO... -_-
Hello
seppolevne
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada1681 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-11 21:00:50
January 11 2010 20:59 GMT
#64
On January 12 2010 02:30 Jathin wrote:
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On January 12 2010 01:00 Badjas wrote:
On January 12 2010 00:03 Jathin wrote:
I don't really understand the purpose of this investigation. Is it to say that lobbyists were pushing to label this a 'pandemic'? Well, duh!

duh what? If the pharmaceutical companies lobbied for declaring a pandemic, without properly backing up their claims, then they are at fault.

Edit:
On January 12 2010 00:03 Jathin wrote:
2) Refusing to get a vaccine is up to you, but to say it's "bullshit because it won't help me" is missing the point of vaccination from a global health perspective. The concept of "herd immunity" is intended not to protect you, but to halt spread of the disease. I forget the exact numbers, but somewhere between 60 and 80% of people need to be vaccinated in order to decelerate the spread of influenza. Sure, it may not help you, but it'll help those who would die from it from acquiring the disease.

You forget the exact numbers, but you also forget to cite resources. It is very hard to tell after the vaccination programs have run, what would have happened otherwise and we can't really find out the truth, but it's convenient as an argument for vaccination.

3) It saddens me that some people here refused to take H1N1 vaccines because they didn't feel "at risk." In fact, the reason H1N1 caused such a stir this time around is because it has been killing healthy people in the younger age range (it is a recurrence of a prior strain, so the elderly population already has immunity against it since they were once exposed)

You are at risk of a lot of things. If you want insurance for all of them you're gonna pay millions, to insurance companies to get it covered. Yet, you can choose to accept the risk. How big is it really? That previous generation didn't suffer much from their influenza strain, or did they? (kinda a genuine question since I don't have any figures.)


*sigh*

To summarize, of course people with underlying illnesses are more susceptible, but H1N1 has been hitting people with even benign conditions such as asthma (see the .pdf below for distribution of incidences according to disease category)

Source: CDC

Prevalence of H1N1 is higher in asthmatics, diabetics, and obese patients (once again, these are considered relatively healthy people, and comprise a huge portion of US population). Smoking is particularly prevalent in European countries, and has been linked with inpatient prevalence. High burden of CVD ( considered 'unhealthy' ) is also of concern with H1N1.

Additionally, influenza annually leads to 36,000 deaths and 226,000 hospitalizations in the US. 50% of pediatric deaths have no underlying high risk condition.

Source: Lisa L. Maragakis, MD, MPH
https://jshare.johnshopkins.edu/jbandar1/public_html/influenza.pdf

EDIT: Oh, and to answer your question -- there were 20 million deaths from the previous H1N1, more than any other pandemic of the 20th century.


1- 50 million people died of the Spanish flu, not 20 million.
2- Asthmatics, diabetics and OBESE people are healthy? what?
3- If you have asthma (or smoke) - respiratory complications - of course a fucking respiratory-system affecting flu is going to be aggravated by that.
4- Why did you put unhealthy in quotation marks, its cardiovascular disease, the number 1 cause of death in NA. Unless you didn't write it - then get better sources.
5- The prevalence of obesity in NA and smoking in EU have nothing to do with their healthy or unhealthiness.
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Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
January 11 2010 21:05 GMT
#65
While I dont believe neither global warming is a threat nor Swine Flu... I wouldnt trust a Canadian site that things USA is the only thing that stands between good and evil in the world... AND has a OBAMA LEAVING OFFICE COUNTDOWN CLOCK?
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
January 11 2010 22:37 GMT
#66
While I definitely think the UN could use some scrutiny, a disease that is readily contagious and harmful is the biggest large scale threat possible (if you don't consider stars going supernova or asteroids hitting the earth), and drastic measures are justified if there is a risk. Perhaps later we will discover it was an overreaction, but overreacting is much more desirable than underreacting. Even nuclear explosions and chemical weapons have geographical limits - but a contagious disease doesn't stop at any boundaries.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Jathin
Profile Blog Joined February 2005
United States3505 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-11 23:39:26
January 11 2010 23:19 GMT
#67
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