Drinking and Driving. - Page 3

On November 02 2009 02:10 Kiarip wrote:

Um, yes it does... They should go to jail for attempted manslaughter, or is 10ish years in prison not real world enough for you?

On November 02 2009 02:10 biomedical wrote:


i did say that.
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but it feels like you didn't understand. no harm done

my distaste of your original post remains, because (as i said) it doesnt address the actual issue: the reality that some people decide to drive drunk.

if you tell someone that they're just as responsible as a killer, it means NOTHING to them. they will simply reason that "i'm not so drunk that it would have a significant impact on my skills - besides ill drive slower and more carefully. ive done it before and was fine".

the fact that you arbitrarily class them as responsible as a killer MEANS NOTHING in the real world. nobody gives a shit. if they're a drink driver then OBVIOUSLY they dont see eye to eye with you, and you haven't done anything to convince them that they can't somehow refute/ignore.

that's why i prefer to tell people: a 1 in 1000 chance WILL HAPPEN FOR SURE. (whether its a chance that they get in an accident, or a chance that they simply get caught by the cops!!!)

you're very simply proving to them that whatever "unlikely circumstance" they think is "terribly unlikely" , is actually a certainty just waiting to occur

i dont see a more profound/high impact way of dealing with the problem than this

On November 02 2009 02:48 muse5187 wrote:


Yeah, lets also put people in our overcrowded jails because they might do something. These people need medical help not 10 years in jail. You should put your crazy views on the side burner.

On November 02 2009 02:58 infinity21 wrote:
Wait, so people are against having 1 beer before driving as well? :s

On November 02 2009 02:48 muse5187 wrote:


Yeah, lets also put people in our overcrowded jails because they might do something. These people need medical help not 10 years in jail. You should put your crazy views on the side burner.

On November 02 2009 03:08 {ToT}Strafe wrote:
Is it okay to drink 4 beers the entire evening and then drive? (entire evening defined as 8pm to 1 am)

On November 02 2009 03:16 biomedical wrote:


is it okay to bring just 4 bullets in the gun you'll be waving recklessly around?

On November 02 2009 02:59 Valentine wrote:

Right, and people are gambling on that 1 in 1000 chance to be responsible for killing somebody. If the world were just like two drunk drivers crash into each other and high five, then yeah fuck go ahead and do it. Reality is that it's a selfish thing to do because innocent people are killed. And your "real world" seems a lot different than the one I live in, or the one that some of these other TLers live in.

Fact is, everyone I know and I drink with all look down on it very seriously. If someone doesn't have a way to get home with someone sober at the wheel, then we let them pass out wherever said party was, and gtfo in the morning sometime. If you want to party, that's cool, but you should be responsible enough to at least find a way back to your home without endangering anyone else in the process. You're not 12 (well, maybe you are), it's not that hard to figure out.

ALSO: 0.001% does not equal 1/1000. In fact, it's pretty far from it :3

On November 02 2009 02:48 muse5187 wrote:


Yeah, lets also put people in our overcrowded jails because they might do something. These people need medical help not 10 years in jail. You should put your crazy views on the side burner.

On November 02 2009 Valentine wrote:
I usually agree with the overcrowding argument, but here, not so much. If you're talking about drug offenders and the like, I don't believe that many of them deserve to be in jail here at all. On the other hand, when someone has died, it should be taken slightly more seriously, no?

On November 02 2009 03:08 {ToT}Strafe wrote:
Is it okay to drink 4 beers the entire evening and then drive? (entire evening defined as 8pm to 1 am)

On November 02 2009 02:10 biomedical wrote:


i did say that.
+ Show Spoiler +
but it feels like you didn't understand. no harm done

my distaste of your original post remains, because (as i said) it doesnt address the actual issue: the reality that some people decide to drive drunk.

if you tell someone that they're just as responsible as a killer, it means NOTHING to them. they will simply reason that "i'm not so drunk that it would have a significant impact on my skills - besides ill drive slower and more carefully. ive done it before and was fine".

the fact that you arbitrarily class them as responsible as a killer MEANS NOTHING in the real world. nobody gives a shit. if they're a drink driver then OBVIOUSLY they dont see eye to eye with you, and you haven't done anything to convince them that they can't somehow refute/ignore.

that's why i prefer to tell people: a 1 in 1000 chance WILL HAPPEN FOR SURE. (whether its a chance that they get in an accident, or a chance that they simply get caught by the cops!!!)

you're very simply proving to them that whatever "unlikely circumstance" they think is "terribly unlikely" , is actually a certainty just waiting to occur

i dont see a more profound/high impact way of dealing with the problem than this

On November 02 2009 03:53 lMPERVlOUS wrote:
If you're going to drive after drinking, you have to be smart about it.

If you go out, and have 2 drinks between 10 and 11 pm, and then you are the DD for when you all leave at 3 am, that gives you 4 hours to burn off those two beers. You burn off nearly 1 beer per hour, so you are probably fine.

Now, if you are still drinking at 2 am, and try to sober up for 3, you're just screwing yourself over, as well as anyone you are supposed to be driving home.

Even then, your tolerance for alcohol can make a big difference. Some people should not even consider driving after having a single drink. Others can burn the alcohol faster.

On November 02 2009 06:40 Captain Mayhem wrote:

Even if you are 100% sure you would be totally OK to drive afterwards, it might still be a risk for *yourself*. If you get pulled over by the cops for speeding, or anything of the sorts, and have to take an alcohol test, there's a small risk that you might fuck up because of such a plan I've heard that those thingies they use can be slightly off under certain circumstances, so personally I wouldn't take the risk.

On November 02 2009 00:55 fanatacist wrote:
Oooh boy this thread is a ticking time bomb. I am going to stay out of this one.

On November 02 2009 06:55 lMPERVlOUS wrote:


You take a big risk every time you step into a car. That risk is of dying or killing someone else. It is unlikely that it will happen in either case, during any given trip, but it is a chance.

Now, some people are inferior drivers anyways. I would feel safer in the passenger seat of a car driven by a drunk stunt driver than I would be in the passenger seat of one of my ex's while she was sober. She's had her license for 3 years now, and has had 6 accidents, as well as numerous minor scrapes and shit..... It's one of the few times I have been genuinely scared in my life, and I've been bungee jumping and all sorts of dumb, crazy shit like that..... It ranked right up there with the time I was in the middle of a drive by..... I'm never going back to Detroit.....

So ->
poor driver + drunk < poor driver + not drunk.
average driver + drunk < average driver + not drunk.
good driver + drunk < good driver + not drunk.

average driver + drunk ~ poor driver + not drunk. *
good driver + drunk ~ average driver + not drunk. *

* By "drunk", I mean right at the legal limit. And this is just a guess, which is why I have a ~ instead of a < or >. I think they're pretty close. Severely drunk throws this off completely, and should never be allowed to drive