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On October 09 2009 23:03 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Work is recognized in two ways: popular opinion and expert opinion. Popular opinion usually precedes expert opinion. A contrary expert opinion can be a tool for changing popular opinion. The Nobel Prize is usually awarded long after popular opinion and most expert opinions have been expressed so that it's easy to align with those opinions, but it's capable of having its own. Rather than wait 10 years to see how Obama's career pans out to make an easy choice, they're seizing a more useful role by opining on an active thing. While it goes against their normal method, it doesn't undermine the integrity of the award or their reasons for awarding it.
As far as I know, TL.net has no political experts. At best, we have people that have majored in political science and digest a lot of political media. Nobody is in a position to say that (1) "created a new climate in international politics" (2) "Multilateral diplomacy has regained a central position, with emphasis on the role that the United Nations and other international institutions can play" (3) "his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and co-operation between peoples" are overstated. If his role in those things are not overstated, then they're perfectly excellent reasons to receive an award.
The body of work they're judging is 2-3 weeks worth of presidency. By sheer virtue of Bush not being able to seek a third term, #1 is filled by anyone who got nominated, since they couldn't possibly be as craptastic as him. I don't see how #2 was satisified then, or even now. And same with #3, that might only be partially applicable now, and it certainly wasn't two or three weeks into his term.
You don't need to be a 'political expert' to conclude that there's no way that anyone should be nominated with such a little body of work.
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On October 09 2009 23:17 Hawk wrote:
The body of work they're judging is 2-3 weeks worth of presidency. More like 8 months. The final decision is made close to the announcement, not at the time of nomination.
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Am I the only one who isn't outraged and is happy for Obama?
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Well... The positive thing about this is.
probably even the last American will realise how hated Bush was in the rest of the world :p. This is kinda a price to the US-Voters ^^.
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On October 09 2009 23:03 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Work is recognized in two ways: popular opinion and expert opinion. Popular opinion usually precedes expert opinion. A contrary expert opinion can be a tool for changing popular opinion. The Nobel Prize is usually awarded long after popular opinion and most expert opinions have been expressed so that it's easy to align with those opinions, but it's capable of having its own. Rather than wait 10 years to see how Obama's career pans out to make an easy choice, they're seizing a more useful role by opining on an active thing. While it goes against their normal method, it doesn't undermine the integrity of the award or their reasons for awarding it.
As far as I know, TL.net has no political experts. At best, we have people that have majored in political science and digest a lot of political media. Nobody is in a position to say that (1) "created a new climate in international politics" (2) "Multilateral diplomacy has regained a central position, with emphasis on the role that the United Nations and other international institutions can play" (3) "his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and co-operation between peoples" are overstated. If his role in those things are not overstated, then they're perfectly excellent reasons to receive an award.
He is the president of a nation in war with several other nations, USA is still the only nation that actually used a atombomb on humans to kill them and i don´t want to even know on what place USA comes compared to CO2 output.
Sure it was not him doing all this but he still is representant of this nation. If he is able to fix all those problems, stopping the war down there, teach the americans how to behave with nature and trash and removing the atomweapons he could get the prize. Talking few weeks with some ppl does not make him a winner imidiatly.
If you talk about diplomacy, the only one i could see there is Norway sucking up to big brother USA by giving him the prize
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This is almost as bad as nobel prize for Gore. Almost.
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I wonder how the discussion would look if he had Not got it
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On October 09 2009 23:25 Pacifist wrote:
Am I the only one who isn't outraged and is happy for Obama?
I'm with you. He has done everything they mention, some people don't see the importance in those actions. Signing a peace deal is the last brick, why shouldn't the first be valued highly?
And if not him, then who's the better pick?
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hey swedish brothers, why are you home in poor sweden and not over here living the norwegian dream like the 2 mill others? i can see two of them working the neighbours ceiling as we speak, they look so happy. : D
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Who cares if they choose to devalue even further what was once a very prestigious award. I'd bet that Angelina Jolie wins one within the next 5 years.
btw, Al Gore has a nobel peace prize, an Oscar, a Grammy, and a primetime Emmy...
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On October 09 2009 23:38 diggurd wrote:
hey swedish brothers, why are you home in poor sweden and not over here living the norwegian dream like the 2 mill others? i can see two of them working the neighbours ceiling as we speak, they look so happy. : D
thats pretty much exactly what im doing >.< except ive an appartment in stockholm as well as tönsberg
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On October 09 2009 20:00 Highways wrote:
Nobel Peace Prize has been a joke recently.
Dont think too much people take it seriously anymore.
they do, but it has gotten pretty absurd lately.
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so can i have my masters in mathematics now since that's what i'm trying to achieve?
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On October 09 2009 22:41 Liquid`Drone wrote:al gore was a perfect winner. if you don't understand the connection between climate and peace, ask and I will answer. 
Al Gore is the perfect scam artist. He deserves little more than a kick in the nuts for all the fearmongering he's done.
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Hmmmmm, probably like 7 yrs too early.... and will probably lead to more hype and high expectations, which is something he hs yet to show. But we'll just have to wait and see
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Its to early, they basically preawarded him for his ambitions. Its more seems like an endorsement to help with his ideas then an honor of them.
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If i remember right, Hitler was a candidate for the nobel peace prize back in 39. He thought that after all jews died we'll all leave in peace and harmony and decided to go for that dream. He would have really deserved the prize.
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Premature decision awarding a prize which at one point carried a lot of prestige with it. I could see Obama earning one at some point in his life, just not yet.
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I don't get it. I like Obama, but he hasn't really done anything yet. So I dont get why he's gonna get the Nobel prize... Oh well.
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It's ridiculous that Obama gets an award for not doing anything yet. BS. I mean I like Obama but he doesn't deserve this.
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