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omnigol
United States166 Posts
On October 09 2009 19:25 Velr wrote: Arafat has one. If Arafat could get one, everyone can get one. This. Nobel peace prize is a joke. They even gave one to Al Gore for making up a doomsday religion and guilting little kids for "wasting" resources on their own life. | ||
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StalinRusH
United States734 Posts
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Raydog
United States632 Posts
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TeCh)PsylO
United States3552 Posts
*He was one of few people to speak out against the war in Iraq from the get-go *When Russia invaded Georgia, the media and politicians flew into cold war mode. Obama said we needed to wait and gather all the facts, in which he was widely criticized for. It was later revealed that Georgia instigated the war. McCain, if president, would have probably dropped troops into Moscow *On week 1 of his presidency, he announced closing Gitmo, and personally reached out to middle eastern leaders to try to change the tone of our relationship. *He has been pushing Israel to freeze settlements, a key issue to a peace deal. * During the Iranian meltdown following the Iranian elections, most politicians would have utilized the events to take a strong public stance against Iran. Obama, in my belief in interest if uranium negotiations and security in Afghanistan, stayed out of it. At least publicly. *Currently, he is reviewing the strategy in Afghanistan. The population centric counter insurgency strategy that has been taking shape since his presidency, has been threatened by a fraudulent election and a severely corrupt government. This is an important step back, regardless of the end decision, as to not get stuck in our own momentum, as we did in Vietnam. I would consider all of those things accomplishments, some more so than others, and some with more lasting effects than others. It is to early to win a prize, but to say Obama hasn't done anything is ignorant of our foreign policy and current international conflicts. | ||
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Nylan
United States795 Posts
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Jonoman92
United States9104 Posts
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
watch Obama hit the nail on the head with a very humble and smart speech though. | ||
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StorrZerg
United States13919 Posts
btw its cause hes + Show Spoiler + an intelligent guy, what did you think i was going to say? lol | ||
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Strayline
United States330 Posts
YO OBAMA, I'M GONNA LET YOU FINISH, BUT I JUST WANNA SAY THAT MARTIN LUTHER KING JR WAS THE BEST NOBEL PRIZE WINNER OF ALL TIME. Some twitter user... LMAO | ||
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ZeeTemplar
United States557 Posts
man..what is up with the world lately. | ||
Last Romantic
United States20661 Posts
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omnigol
United States166 Posts
On October 10 2009 00:33 TeCh)PsylO wrote: I would consider all of those things accomplishments, some more so than others, and some with more lasting effects than others. It is to early to win a prize, but to say Obama hasn't done anything is ignorant of our foreign policy and current international conflicts. Policy changes not accomplishments. Any new president is going to make a bunch of initial policy changes. | ||
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TeCh)PsylO
United States3552 Posts
On October 10 2009 00:54 omnigol wrote: Policy changes not accomplishments. Any new president is going to make a bunch of initial policy changes. Policy changes in the interest of peace that have been widely welcomed around world. I am not making the argument that he deserves the thing yet, but the idea that he hasn't done anything in the interest to make peace is not correct. | ||
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Nylan
United States795 Posts
On October 10 2009 01:00 TeCh)PsylO wrote: Policy changes in the interest of peace that have been widely welcomed around world. I am not making the argument that he deserves the thing yet, but the idea that he hasn't done anything in the interest to make peace is not correct. It is correct. He has plans to do these things, but nothing has actually happened yet. What nuclear weapons has he retired? What significant treaties has he signed? He has an "outline", but he hasn't started the final draft. You can't turn the outline in for credit as the paper. | ||
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fwing11
Canada19 Posts
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eMbrace
United States1300 Posts
I mean, I've never seen such ridiculous evaluation of a president on a day to day basis. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
Think about it: a big part of Obama's foreign policy has centered around changing the image of America from that of a belligerent country to that of one that pushes for peaceful negotiations and such. Obviously he has not entirely lived up to that billing yet, but it's also tough to enact such a wide change in just a year. That said, this peace prize FORCES Obama to follow through on these acts. For a decent amount of time he'll be under intense scrutiny to live up to the award... if the award has any meaning to people. (Personally I'm cynical about the award, and I think people will forget he won it in two days, but...) If there's any sort of influence the Award (and the award-givers) wanted, this is it. I'm almost certain Obama can't really be pleased about this. Now it's tough for him to do any sort of about-face on his stance on foreign policy, and there's a good chance he'll be held to even higher expectations because of it. This is NOT what he would have liked to wake up to. | ||
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Makhno
Sweden585 Posts
On October 09 2009 23:47 hifriend wrote: thats pretty much exactly what im doing >.< except ive an appartment in stockholm as well as tönsberg Swedes going to Norway to work are traitors and should not bother coming back... + Show Spoiler + ...rich bastards  OT: Rethorics should not be enough to score you the peace prize but on the other hand I'm not sure if there were any good contenders for the prize atm. Maybe the Human Rights Watch? They seem decent enough. | ||
NonY
8751 Posts
On October 09 2009 23:17 Hawk wrote: The body of work they're judging is 2-3 weeks worth of presidency. By sheer virtue of Bush not being able to seek a third term, #1 is filled by anyone who got nominated, since they couldn't possibly be as craptastic as him. I don't see how #2 was satisified then, or even now. And same with #3, that might only be partially applicable now, and it certainly wasn't two or three weeks into his term. You don't need to be a 'political expert' to conclude that there's no way that anyone should be nominated with such a little body of work. Of course people conclude things that they have no sound argument supported by evidence for whether they're a political expert or not. Political discussion hardly ever proceeds scientifically so the conclusions have nothing to do with knowledge. There is simply no way for anyone here to know whether or not Obama deserved the award. Your reasoning for dismissing their claims about Obama's work is laughably far from infallible. Yeah, it's at the standard of popular political discussion, but I'm pointing out the fact that that standard is low. | ||
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Railxp
Hong Kong1313 Posts
Obama might be "an international symbol of hope and peace", but he is only that beacuse Bush fucked up so badly, and because he has good oratory skills and looks completely different. His name has been well marketed to the public, but he has yet to answer to even one of his promises made so far. | ||
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