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number1gog
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1081 Posts
August 03 2009 19:21 GMT
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Hi there,

My name is Sean Mills, and I love first person shooters. I would stay up for hours on end playing Goldeneye 007 on the N64, and FPS have been my favorite games since then. Perfect Dark, Counterstrike, the Halo trilogy, and Call of Duty, they are my passion. In fact, I believe that if I would take all the hours I spent on shooters and put it into Starcraft, I'd be A+ rank ez mode. I'm not even joking, I spend a lot of time gaming

Anyways, today I want to do a little writeup on one of my favorite gametypes in one of my favorite games: Team SWAT in Halo 3. My hope is that everyone can learn at least one thing from this thread, and maybe there is someone out there who wants to take it a step further and start playing some high level SWAT with or my friends.

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The default gametype of Team SWAT is a gametype where the players all have no shields and low health, making one shot kills possible with if shot in the head. The starting weapon is a BR, secondary is a pistol, and Carbines are on the map. Teams of 4 battle to the first to 50 points. There are other gametypes within SWAT but they all suck so Veto them.

Some of the things you need:
▲Halo 3
▲An Xbox Live account with Gold Membership
▲All of the updated map packs for Halo 3

There are also some little tips and tricks that you can use to get an edge over the competition that you should do before going into your first match:
▲Play as an Elite!
Yes, this actually matters. Two of the most obvious reasons are that Elites are harder to hit from behind, and that when jumping, the position of their head changes, making it harder to track their head with your sight.
Beyond that it's a mental thing. There are purists who think SWAT should be spartans-only, and if they get robbed of a kill because of advantages in your Elite model, it will put them on tilt. And any poker player can tell you about the advantage of putting your opponent on tilt.
▲Choose the right armor!
Halo 3 allows you to change what armor you wear ingame. Choose the Flight or Assault helmet, because they are smaller and harder to hit. The default helmet is absolutely massive and easy to one shot. Leave the shoulder pads as default, because they are tall enough that they actually protect your head from certain angles.
Note: The Flight helmet isn't unlocked by default, it requires beating the story mode on heroic or legendary difficulties. Most of you will be using the Assault helmet.
▲Play on Bumper Jumper!
One of the controller settings in Halo 3 is Bumper Jumper, which puts the Jump command on the left bumper. What this allows is the ability to move around and constantly jump without taking your right thumb off of the right joystick. Before, to jump you would have to move your thumb from the right stick and hit the B button, which wastes time that you could be using to aim.
SWAT pros jump constantly, because it changes the elevation of the head and makes it harder to hit them. You too should be jumping constantly, and playing on bumper jumper makes it easier to aim and jump simultaneously.
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▲Warm Up!
Before playing for realz, I recommend a warm up game on either a custom gametype, or in a social playlist. The first shot in SWAT is the only one that matters; gunbattles usually never go past two shots. So getting that first shot on target is crucial, and cold thumbs are no excuse. Hearing "oh man I'm not warmed up yet" from a teammate with 20 deaths is my pet peeve.
When I get home I'll upload a good custom gametype and map to my fileshare for you guys to use. For now just hang out in social slayer. Grab a BR and start shooting! Focus on tracking your target's head. In SWAT it's the only target that matters.

So now you guys are all looking sexy in your Elite armor, your thumbs are all warmed up, you're ready to jump into action, right? Not quite!

I'd like to impart some more little tidbits of wisdom while I have your attention. These are tricks I've learned over my time in the playlist and I think you guys deserve to have an advantage over the rest of the noobies you'll be facing:

▲Control the engagement!
Basic fact: It's easier to turn and shoot someone that's to the left than it is to turn and shoot someone that's to the right. It's easier for your thumb to push the stick to the left and it's easier to see a person to the left because you don't have the gun model in your way.
So if you're about to run around a corner to the left, you have the advantage over the person that's on the other side. Inversely, if you're about to run around a corner to the right, you're at a disadvantage. How do you use this knowledge? Don't run around right hand corners! I know that sometimes that can be hard to control, but it's a good tip to keep in the back of your head.
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▲Lead your shots at range!
Halo 3 has a decently realistic physics engine that requires you to lead your shots at range. Like passing a football to a reciever running an in route. It's hard to quantify exactly how much, it's something you have to practice to get right. But at least now you're not one of those kids shooting directly at a strafing target and wondering why you're shots aren't counting!
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▲Play Conservatively!
Nothing irks me more than a teammate that sucks, knows it, but still insists on running out in the open where everyone on the other team can see him. Play tight, play conservatively, dare I say.... camp. Okay don't REALLY camp, but have a little bit of campyness to your style. This goes along with controlling the engagement. Only come out when it's on your terms!
▲Know the callouts!
This might require some research on your part. There are callout to every map that make it easier to identify exactly where the other team is. The best teams out there have excellent communication and they all call out to their teammates, which leads to more dominant team performances.
If we're playing on Guardian and I say "Elbow to S2!!!" do you know what I'm talking about? If you know the callouts, and you're calling out to your teammates, they will love you. You'll get more kills and do better as a team if everyone knows whats going on.
I'd recommend this thread as a start. Grab the headset that comes with your box that you've probably never used, slap it into your controller, and start talking!!!

Anyways, now all that's left to do is jump in and get dirty! The best way to learn is by doing! Hopefully some of these tips will help you. If you want some help or assistance in-game, post here or add my gamertag on xbl! I play pretty frequently, and I'm always willing to help out. I have a few low level accounts that I can use to play with you and ease you into the process, but here's my main:

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My Xbox Live profile (must be signed into your own xbl profile to view, I think)
My Bungie.net stats page (no special login needed)

Hopefully the formatting wasn't too horrible. I tried to make it semi-legible, but if it gave you a headache then I'm sorry.

That's it for now, if you have any specific questions feel free to post or message me. There are some pretty in depth things that I didn't want to go into here, but if someone asks a specific question I'd be happy to give a specific answer.
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freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
August 03 2009 19:31 GMT
#2
I enjoyed reading it even though I am sure I will never try this game out
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boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
August 03 2009 19:44 GMT
#3
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Meta
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States6225 Posts
August 03 2009 19:47 GMT
#4
Wow those callouts are exactly what I've been wanting to improve my game online. My roommates and I even sort of came up with our own just over the course of playing a lot of swat. Thanks for the read!
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ShmotZ
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States581 Posts
August 03 2009 20:23 GMT
#5


▲Play as an Elite!
Yes, this actually matters. Two of the most obvious reasons are that Elites are harder to hit from behind, and that when jumping, the position of their head changes, making it harder to track their head with your sight.
Beyond that it's a mental thing. There are purists who think SWAT should be spartans-only, and if they get robbed of a kill because of advantages in your Elite model, it will put them on tilt. And any poker player can tell you about the advantage of putting your opponent on tilt.


lol i read this and the first thing i thought of was this video
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pretty good read dude gots lots of useful info. Now if only this came out before i switched to gears of war 2 xD
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number1gog
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1081 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-03 21:03:59
August 03 2009 21:03 GMT
#6
On August 04 2009 04:21 number1gog wrote:There are purists who think SWAT should be spartans-only, and if they get robbed of a kill because of advantages in your Elite model, it will put them on tilt.

On August 04 2009 04:44 boesthius wrote:
I love swat but i haaaate that you encourage to play as an elite :<. there's a reason why you have to be a spartan in MLG. however this was a pretty good writeup, i use bumper jumper as well - took me a while to get used to but the advantages using it are so ridiculous it's worth it.


Case in point! Haha.

The way I see it, if there is something that you can do that will help your overall gameplay, why not do it? It's like having permission to use a calculator on a math but not doing it because it's "unfair" or whatever.

If it makes you feel any better, I SWAT as a spartan, even at level 50

Oh, and the reason it's Spartans-only in MLG is because in Halo 2 it was actually easier to headshot an elite. It just got carried over to Halo 3 like that. Fun little tidbit there.


On August 04 2009 05:23 ShmotZ wrote:
lol i read this and the first thing i thought of was this video [video]
pretty good read dude gots lots of useful info. Now if only this came out before i switched to gears of war 2 xD


LOL awesome video!!!! That made my day.
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Humbug
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States264 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-04 00:52:36
August 04 2009 00:52 GMT
#7
That was pretty fun to read, even though I don't own an xbox :3 Thanks for the write up, it's always interesting to read guides like these for other multiplayer games.
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jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
August 04 2009 01:53 GMT
#8
bumper jumper is hard to get use too though =[
also want to game with me? social slayer or non legendary, mythic dlc
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
August 04 2009 01:54 GMT
#9
can't play swat =[
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
August 04 2009 02:03 GMT
#10
That was a very nice writeup and a good read.
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Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-04 02:07:10
August 04 2009 02:06 GMT
#11
good write up, if I ever get a 360 I'll come back to this guide! good video too!
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number1gog
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1081 Posts
August 04 2009 03:35 GMT
#12
On August 04 2009 10:53 jodogohoo wrote:
bumper jumper is hard to get use too though =[
also want to game with me? social slayer or non legendary, mythic dlc

Any time dude.

That goes for all of you. I play more that just SWAT
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keV.
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3214 Posts
August 04 2009 04:11 GMT
#13
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krazymunky
Profile Joined June 2008
United States727 Posts
August 04 2009 04:35 GMT
#14
On August 04 2009 11:03 GHOSTCLAW wrote:
That was a very nice writeup and a good read.


lol i hope this has improved your halo skills :D
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number1gog
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1081 Posts
August 04 2009 16:39 GMT
#15
On August 04 2009 13:11 keV. wrote:
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The REAL first FPS

Fixed
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TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-04 16:51:30
August 04 2009 16:50 GMT
#16
My first FPS was goldeneye 007 and still my fav to this day lol.

Specially License to kill turbo mode pistols with 3 friends.
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sixghost
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2096 Posts
August 04 2009 16:51 GMT
#17
SWAT aka Halo 3's FASTEST
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Dyllyn
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Singapore670 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-04 17:35:29
August 04 2009 17:34 GMT
#18
On August 05 2009 01:51 sixghost wrote:
SWAT aka Halo 3's FASTEST


Not really a good analogy.... Swat needs a lot of skill to be good at. You can't do gay shit very much (unlike fastest lol)
Incidentally, does anyone else use the boxer moveset? I play left trigger melee
scv rush ftw
lwstupidus
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States74 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-04 17:37:26
August 04 2009 17:34 GMT
#19
Halo 2/3 are the only fps where ANYONE can become good (compete at MLG events) relatively easy
Leading shots / Callouts (lol)

I'm pretty sure this is a joke but not quite sure, posting "strategy" for a game like Halo on a board of a game with infinitely more depth is like going to Quake forums and posting how to play a Warcraft tower defense UMS.



Not really a good analogy.... Swat needs a lot of skill to be good at. You can't rocket whore or shit.


Would be true if you disregard the auto aim, bullet magnetism, and aim assist...
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Dyllyn
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Singapore670 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-04 17:43:45
August 04 2009 17:42 GMT
#20
On August 05 2009 02:34 lwstupidus wrote:
Halo 2/3 are the only fps where ANYONE can become good (compete at MLG events) relatively easy
Leading shots / Callouts (lol)

I'm pretty sure this is a joke but not quite sure, posting "strategy" for a game like Halo on a board of a game with infinitely more depth is like going to Quake forums and posting how to play a Warcraft tower defense UMS.

Show nested quote +


Not really a good analogy.... Swat needs a lot of skill to be good at. You can't rocket whore or shit.


Would be true if you disregard the auto aim, bullet magnetism, and aim assist...


That's oversimplifying it. Put a bunch of pubbies up against any decent clan and watch the wheat get seperated from the chaff... same as any game.
scv rush ftw
sixghost
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2096 Posts
August 04 2009 17:52 GMT
#21
On August 05 2009 02:34 GenericTerranPlayer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2009 01:51 sixghost wrote:
SWAT aka Halo 3's FASTEST


Not really a good analogy.... Swat needs a lot of skill to be good at. You can't do gay shit very much (unlike fastest lol)
Incidentally, does anyone else use the boxer moveset? I play left trigger melee

And fastest takes some skill to be good at it too. But that doesn't mean it's not a bastardized version of the real game.
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number1gog
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1081 Posts
August 04 2009 18:06 GMT
#22
On August 05 2009 02:34 lwstupidus wrote:
Halo 2/3 are the only fps where ANYONE can become good (compete at MLG events) relatively easy
Leading shots / Callouts (lol)

I'm pretty sure this is a joke but not quite sure, posting "strategy" for a game like Halo on a board of a game with infinitely more depth is like going to Quake forums and posting how to play a Warcraft tower defense UMS.

Show nested quote +


Not really a good analogy.... Swat needs a lot of skill to be good at. You can't rocket whore or shit.


Would be true if you disregard the auto aim, bullet magnetism, and aim assist...


Half of me wants to agree with you, half of me wants to play against you to see if you can back that up.

You're right about the skill gap between pros and noobs being too small (blame Bungie), something along the lines of "Even a total scrub can out-slay Walshy" or whatever that quote was.
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Twilight Templar
Profile Joined April 2009
99 Posts
August 04 2009 18:30 GMT
#23
his guide was ok, but I frankly knew everything you said.
I play as elite
i know callouts
i use bumper jumper
i warm up
the only thing i don't do is pick assault armor b/c i don't want to big of an advantage.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18918 Posts
August 04 2009 18:42 GMT
#24
I really wish Halonerds would stop acting as if Halo is the best competitive FPS ever and its so incredibly in-depth.
Play Counter-strike 1.6 for awhile and get back to me. THAT game has a skill-gap.
+ Show Spoiler +
This being said, I think Halo3 is a very fun game and great way to spend some time. Its just not the end-all competitive fps.
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number1gog
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1081 Posts
August 04 2009 18:45 GMT
#25
On August 05 2009 03:42 Comeh wrote:
I really wish Halonerds would stop acting as if Halo is the best competitive FPS ever and its so incredibly in-depth.
Play Counter-strike 1.6 for awhile and get back to me. THAT game has a skill-gap.
+ Show Spoiler +
This being said, I think Halo3 is a very fun game and great way to spend some time. Its just not the end-all competitive fps.

Shadowrun.

Nuf said.
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NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8748 Posts
August 04 2009 19:09 GMT
#26
On August 05 2009 02:34 lwstupidus wrote:
I'm pretty sure this is a joke but not quite sure, posting "strategy" for a game like Halo on a board of a game with infinitely more depth is like going to Quake forums and posting how to play a Warcraft tower defense UMS.

I learned something from this guide even after having made an effort to learn Halo3 for myself. But the chances of me learning something from a BW thread are much smaller
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NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8748 Posts
August 04 2009 19:12 GMT
#27
On August 05 2009 03:42 Comeh wrote:
I really wish Halonerds would stop acting as if Halo is the best competitive FPS ever and its so incredibly in-depth.
Play Counter-strike 1.6 for awhile and get back to me. THAT game has a skill-gap.
+ Show Spoiler +
This being said, I think Halo3 is a very fun game and great way to spend some time. Its just not the end-all competitive fps.

Then you should be thankful that no "halonerds" have done any such thing here! In fact, it seems like it's the CS nerds who have gone on the offensive here.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
psion0011
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada720 Posts
August 04 2009 19:52 GMT
#28
Bumper jumper is awesome, it's like learning the game all over again.

Also, CS players being insecure about halo? Didn't see that coming at all!
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
August 04 2009 21:06 GMT
#29
On August 05 2009 03:30 Twilight Templar wrote:
his guide was ok, but I frankly knew everything you said.
I play as elite
i know callouts
i use bumper jumper
i warm up
the only thing i don't do is pick assault armor b/c i don't want to big of an advantage.

Wow man you're sooooo cool
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yakuzabrother
Profile Joined August 2009
Japan14 Posts
August 04 2009 21:41 GMT
#30
Awesome Thanks alot for this!
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son1dow
Profile Joined May 2009
Lithuania322 Posts
August 04 2009 22:48 GMT
#31
On August 05 2009 02:34 lwstupidus wrote:
Halo 2/3 are the only fps where ANYONE can become good (compete at MLG events) relatively easy
Leading shots / Callouts (lol)

I'm pretty sure this is a joke but not quite sure, posting "strategy" for a game like Halo on a board of a game with infinitely more depth is like going to Quake forums and posting how to play a Warcraft tower defense UMS.


My thoughts exactly.
Play more Quake.
number1gog
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1081 Posts
August 04 2009 22:54 GMT
#32
On August 05 2009 03:30 Twilight Templar wrote:
the only thing i don't do is pick assault armor b/c i don't want to big of an advantage.

And how's that e-honor working out for you?

Would Idra use a trackball mouse instead of an optical? Would Randy Johnson pitch with a softball?

If it's there, take it. Take with two hands. If your BR is more consistent on 2 sensitivity than it is on 3, why would you not switch? The list goes on.
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sixghost
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2096 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-04 23:04:52
August 04 2009 23:04 GMT
#33
On August 05 2009 03:42 Comeh wrote:
I really wish Halonerds would stop acting as if Halo is the best competitive FPS ever and its so incredibly in-depth.
Play Counter-strike 1.6 for awhile and get back to me. THAT game has a skill-gap.
+ Show Spoiler +
This being said, I think Halo3 is a very fun game and great way to spend some time. Its just not the end-all competitive fps.

The skill-gap in just the slaying aspect isn't that high, but the difference between noobs and the best teams teamwork-wise is gigantic.
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leetchaos
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States395 Posts
August 04 2009 23:07 GMT
#34
That "decently realistic physics engine that requires you to lead your shots at range" you mention. Yeah, thats called network latency.
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
August 04 2009 23:12 GMT
#35
On August 05 2009 08:07 leetchaos wrote:
That "decently realistic physics engine that requires you to lead your shots at range" you mention. Yeah, thats called network latency.


Even playing off xbox live you still need to lead your shots a tad.
Hi.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
August 04 2009 23:23 GMT
#36
and here come to the hardcore FPS panzies to the ruin the thread. Just stfu already.
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Hurricane
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3939 Posts
August 04 2009 23:33 GMT
#37
But how can an FPS be fun without having played it for a decade with a clan and top level skills?
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number1gog
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1081 Posts
August 04 2009 23:35 GMT
#38
On August 05 2009 08:07 leetchaos wrote:
That "decently realistic physics engine that requires you to lead your shots at range" you mention. Yeah, thats called network latency.

Wroooooong. I still love you tho. <3
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Vision
Profile Joined June 2009
United States113 Posts
August 04 2009 23:39 GMT
#39
"I believe that if I would take all the hours I spent on shooters and put it into Starcraft, I'd be A+ rank ez mode. I'm not even joking, I spend a lot of time gaming"

I think I just died a little bit on the inside.
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Hurricane
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3939 Posts
August 04 2009 23:46 GMT
#40
                              
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This is a topic about Halo 3, a console FPS. People have fun playing games other than starcraft/quake/CS. Believe it or not the game does require some practice and some skill. This topic happens to be about a specific game type and is designed to help people who are new to SWAT or to remind some of the vets of the key elements to the game type. This is not a place to swing your massive e-penis around because you happen to be good at an extremely competitive game.
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number1gog
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1081 Posts
August 04 2009 23:56 GMT
#41
On August 05 2009 08:39 Vision wrote:
"I believe that if I would take all the hours I spent on shooters and put it into Starcraft, I'd be A+ rank ez mode. I'm not even joking, I spend a lot of time gaming"

I think I just died a little bit on the inside.

That's a pretty strong reaction to a pretty harmless little comment.

You ok?

Need to take a breather?
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d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
August 05 2009 00:11 GMT
#42
On August 05 2009 08:39 Vision wrote:
"I believe that if I would take all the hours I spent on shooters and put it into Starcraft, I'd be A+ rank ez mode. I'm not even joking, I spend a lot of time gaming"

I think I just died a little bit on the inside.


Why are you guys being such dicks, he was trying to help and you guys should seriously fuck off I mean I found this topic very informative and I enjoyed it he was not being dead serious saying I WOULD MAKE A+ AND NOBODY CAN DOUBT ME he was saying that he would be doing well if his focus was starcraft.
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G0dly
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States450 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-05 02:02:07
August 05 2009 01:58 GMT
#43
What are the map reqs for SWAT again? I haven't been playing Halo recently - I don't have the time to really play lots of matches and get better, plus I haven't downloaded the map packs. I only played SWAT a few times at a friends house, but maybe I'll start playing again.

Also, Halo 3 isn't the most difficult game in terms of just having a solid shot. It's really having a good teammates and playing with good teamwork that wins the games - having good setups and such. That being said, I don't think it's as difficult as some other FPS's, but all of this gaming elitism is retarded anyway.
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Shivaz
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1783 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-05 02:06:06
August 05 2009 02:05 GMT
#44
you need 2 map packs downloaded, 1 of them is free the other unless it has changed recently cost like 600 points or something.

edit: actually not really "recently", i have turned on my xbox like 2 times during the last year lol.
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27139 Posts
August 05 2009 02:10 GMT
#45
This was a cool OP, and then quickly turned into crap Hurricane so sensible...
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Hurricane
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3939 Posts
August 05 2009 02:36 GMT
#46
You don't have a 360 do you mani?
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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27139 Posts
August 05 2009 03:12 GMT
#47
No I don't I can't get any good games in Japan, so I would have to buy everything abroad and have it shipped.
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lazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia3119 Posts
August 05 2009 03:39 GMT
#48
everyone knows that halo is the checkers of FPS games. some people find it fun tho
number1gog
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1081 Posts
August 05 2009 03:55 GMT
#49
On August 05 2009 12:39 lazz wrote:
everyone knows that halo is the checkers of FPS games. some people find it fun tho

Actually it goes:
Halo -> Chess
Halo 2 -> Checkers
Halo 3 -> Coin toss

But thanks for being better than us.
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
11739 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-05 04:12:32
August 05 2009 04:10 GMT
#50
Man, I loved Halo 3 beta, and then they changed so much shit that made it great and the actual game sucked. The problem is that Halo 3 is often a coin toss. I don't know if it's because so many people have shitty connections or something, but I have videos and have seen videos of guys taking four shots to the face and living, and then killing the other person. I've hit people with the sword in the back to have them turn around and kill me with the shotgun, and I've shot sword users with the shotgun and died to the sword. I've lost shotgun battles when I'm the first person to shoot, which shouldn't happen when you both shoot from the same range. I've had three sniper shots go through a person's face and not kill them, and had their bullet miss wide right/left and kill me. I've seen a guy take five sniper shots, and not die.

I loved Halo, I loved Halo 2 (despite it's massive amount of flaws), and I have stopped playing Halo 3 because it is just so fucking terrible. And I wasn't bad at the game either. When it first came out, my friend and I went to upper 40's very quickly, getting matched against actual pro players and beating some of them and keeping up with most of them (of course, we got our asses handed to us several times). The point is, I've spent a lot of time playing the game, more than most people probably, and was absolutely an above average player, yet we got screwed out of wins because the game didn't work properly. I suck at it now, because I play once a month, if that, but I can't fully express how incredibly disappointed I am in that game.

Oh, and to everyone calling it a skill-less game, I'd like to see you just pick it up and start competing with people even at my level. No, it's not as hard as a PC game is to play, it never will be. And no, it's not the best competitive FPS out there, but it's nowhere near as easy as some of you make it out to be. And the auto-aim is not as drastic as you make it out to be. It's not like it zaps it to the opponents head regardless of where you are. Missed shots are very common.
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number1gog
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1081 Posts
August 05 2009 04:33 GMT
#51
On August 05 2009 13:10 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:And the auto-aim is not as drastic as you make it out to be.

And it's actually a LOT less than it was in previous halo games.

As quantified and presented in this thread on MLGPro:
http://www.mlgpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=198153
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Hurricane
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3939 Posts
August 05 2009 05:24 GMT
#52
I've played with Sweetlemons and can vouch for everything he said with my own experiences.

What Halo 3 needs is something like iccup and a chaos launcher, except on 360 and won't get you banned asap.
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Ghost151
Profile Joined May 2008
United States290 Posts
August 05 2009 06:31 GMT
#53
On August 05 2009 13:33 number1gog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2009 13:10 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:And the auto-aim is not as drastic as you make it out to be.

And it's actually a LOT less than it was in previous halo games.

As quantified and presented in this thread on MLGPro:
http://www.mlgpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=198153


no kidding. first thing I noticed when I played it the day before release was how much weaker the aim assist was in H3 (brought up on H2). Remember sweep/swipe sniping? A little bit harder to pull off in H3. That + the motion blur effect when changing view quickly makes it a very different experience from H2's almost robotic, fast-paced feel.


why all the hate on the Halo series anyway? I;m sure plenty feel that RTS games like Age of Empires are inferior to Starcraft, and there are a multitude of opposed camps in the world of RPGS, but people still play them for fun and not competition. In fact, "fun" is part of the definition of what makes a game a game and not a task. and forget this competitive crap. If game designers could make the perfect competitive FPS in the world it would only appeal to those elitist competitve FPS players anyway, so why bitch about a game that's good to play just for fun?

I don't really understand the Halo/checkers analogy. I never really played Halo:CE on a high level but the way the weapons were reminds me of a game of rock/paper/scissors more than chess really. Halo 2 is basically an even playing field for everybody so long as you knew how to *really* play the game, so I guess checkers does fit for it. But Halo 3 is more like a jumbled mess of random (and unfair) crap than an analogy as polar as flipping a coin. The melee system is just the tip of the iceberg there, I can go on and on (as can anyone else who has played a lot of H3) about the random bullshit that happens and robs you.
fuck art its a competition if you dont get pissed off when you lose you dont care enough - Idra, on the "art" of RTS games.
SweeTLemonS[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
11739 Posts
August 05 2009 06:58 GMT
#54
On August 05 2009 15:31 Ghost151 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2009 13:33 number1gog wrote:
On August 05 2009 13:10 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:And the auto-aim is not as drastic as you make it out to be.

And it's actually a LOT less than it was in previous halo games.

As quantified and presented in this thread on MLGPro:
http://www.mlgpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=198153


no kidding. first thing I noticed when I played it the day before release was how much weaker the aim assist was in H3 (brought up on H2). Remember sweep/swipe sniping? A little bit harder to pull off in H3. That + the motion blur effect when changing view quickly makes it a very different experience from H2's almost robotic, fast-paced feel.


why all the hate on the Halo series anyway? I;m sure plenty feel that RTS games like Age of Empires are inferior to Starcraft, and there are a multitude of opposed camps in the world of RPGS, but people still play them for fun and not competition. In fact, "fun" is part of the definition of what makes a game a game and not a task. and forget this competitive crap. If game designers could make the perfect competitive FPS in the world it would only appeal to those elitist competitve FPS players anyway, so why bitch about a game that's good to play just for fun?

I don't really understand the Halo/checkers analogy. I never really played Halo:CE on a high level but the way the weapons were reminds me of a game of rock/paper/scissors more than chess really. Halo 2 is basically an even playing field for everybody so long as you knew how to *really* play the game, so I guess checkers does fit for it. But Halo 3 is more like a jumbled mess of random (and unfair) crap than an analogy as polar as flipping a coin. The melee system is just the tip of the iceberg there, I can go on and on (as can anyone else who has played a lot of H3) about the random bullshit that happens and robs you.


I loved sweep sniping, haha. Once I figured out you could do that, I became 10x's better with the sniper. The auto-aim was way too powerful in H2.
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d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-05 17:12:41
August 05 2009 07:06 GMT
#55
On August 05 2009 13:10 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:
Man, I loved Halo 3 beta, and then they changed so much shit that made it great and the actual game sucked. The problem is that Halo 3 is often a coin toss. I don't know if it's because so many people have shitty connections or something, but I have videos and have seen videos of guys taking four shots to the face and living, and then killing the other person. I've hit people with the sword in the back to have them turn around and kill me with the shotgun, and I've shot sword users with the shotgun and died to the sword. I've lost shotgun battles when I'm the first person to shoot, which shouldn't happen when you both shoot from the same range. I've had three sniper shots go through a person's face and not kill them, and had their bullet miss wide right/left and kill me. I've seen a guy take five sniper shots, and not die.



Oh man this reminds me of my video where I shoot a guy in the leg and get a head shot llololol
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Etherone
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1898 Posts
August 05 2009 07:08 GMT
#56
On August 05 2009 12:55 number1gog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2009 12:39 lazz wrote:
everyone knows that halo is the checkers of FPS games. some people find it fun tho

Actually it goes:
Halo -> hop-scotch
Halo 2 -> rock-paper-scissors
Halo 3 -> Coin toss

But thanks for being better than us.


fixed

halo 1 was a lot of fun, and it took some skill, but you realize halo three is the c & c 3 of FPS's. Great guide though, informative, and it probably will help some. although you could help eveyone if you happened to have a SA guide laying around ^ ^
SweeTLemonS[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
11739 Posts
August 05 2009 07:32 GMT
#57
On August 05 2009 16:08 Etherone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2009 12:55 number1gog wrote:
On August 05 2009 12:39 lazz wrote:
everyone knows that halo is the checkers of FPS games. some people find it fun tho

Actually it goes:
Halo -> hop-scotch
Halo 2 -> rock-paper-scissors
Halo 3 -> Coin toss

But thanks for being better than us.


fixed

halo 1 was a lot of fun, and it took some skill, but you realize halo three is the c & c 3 of FPS's. Great guide though, informative, and it probably will help some. although you could help eveyone if you happened to have a SA guide laying around ^ ^


What is SA? Something Awful is the only thing that's coming to my mind right now.

And how is Halo:CE hop-scotch?
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jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
August 05 2009 08:26 GMT
#58
I FUCKING LOVE HOP-SCOTCH
isleyofthenorth
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Austria894 Posts
August 05 2009 09:50 GMT
#59
nice op. although i hate shooters because i feel they are incredibly boring and lack depth.
necros
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States85 Posts
August 05 2009 10:46 GMT
#60
give me a mouse and a keyboard and i might consider playing this game. Console gaming is just a god damn joke
sc2 yay!
keV.
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3214 Posts
August 05 2009 12:47 GMT
#61
On August 05 2009 01:39 number1gog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2009 13:11 keV. wrote:
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The REAL first FPS

Fixed


You missed the point by a wide margin.

I'm sure Halo is a fun game. The only problem is that Halo is the Dave Matthews of shooters, its fans ruined it for me.

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number1gog
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1081 Posts
August 05 2009 12:55 GMT
#62
On August 05 2009 16:08 Etherone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2009 12:55 number1gog wrote:
On August 05 2009 12:39 lazz wrote:
everyone knows that halo is the checkers of FPS games. some people find it fun tho

Actually it goes:
Halo -> hop-scotch
Halo 2 -> rock-paper-scissors
Halo 3 -> Coin toss

But thanks for being better than us.


fixed

halo 1 was a lot of fun, and it took some skill, but you realize halo three is the c & c 3 of FPS's. Great guide though, informative, and it probably will help some. although you could help eveyone if you happened to have a SA guide laying around ^ ^

SA?
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Misrah
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1695 Posts
August 05 2009 13:50 GMT
#63
LOL i love halo 2.5 So much fail- inside the game and inside the community. Just started playing again and all i have to say is wow. I remember why i left in the first place lol. MLG is just as bad. You would think that at the higher levels people could be a bit more mature- but i guess taht would be asking too much.
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alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
August 05 2009 14:03 GMT
#64
On August 04 2009 04:31 freelander wrote:
I enjoyed reading it even though I am sure I will never try this game out

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Mista_Masta
Profile Joined January 2009
Netherlands557 Posts
August 05 2009 14:19 GMT
#65
Very cool guide; well done. I'm not sure if I'll ever try it out, but thanks anyway :D
kidd
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States2848 Posts
August 05 2009 15:47 GMT
#66
I liked your write-up alot. I do not however share your same passion of fps and my experiences with playing halo online usually end in alot of frustration on my part. How long did it take you to really become good at this game?
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number1gog
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1081 Posts
August 05 2009 20:16 GMT
#67
On August 06 2009 00:47 kidd wrote:
I liked your write-up alot. I do not however share your same passion of fps and my experiences with playing halo online usually end in alot of frustration on my part. How long did it take you to really become good at this game?


It's really a case by case thing. I think the fact that I've played that type of game in general helped the learning curve. Someone who has never played a shooter before will be at a disadvantage to a person who has played a lot of other shooters.

Explaining "strafing" to a noobie is a challenge, but I've been pushing the right and left C buttons on my N64 controller since I was 13.
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
11739 Posts
August 05 2009 20:24 GMT
#68
On August 06 2009 05:16 number1gog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2009 00:47 kidd wrote:
I liked your write-up alot. I do not however share your same passion of fps and my experiences with playing halo online usually end in alot of frustration on my part. How long did it take you to really become good at this game?


It's really a case by case thing. I think the fact that I've played that type of game in general helped the learning curve. Someone who has never played a shooter before will be at a disadvantage to a person who has played a lot of other shooters.

Explaining "strafing" to a noobie is a challenge, but I've been pushing the right and left C buttons on my N64 controller since I was 13.



When I was good at Halo it took me about 3000 games. But, it only took like 3-500 games with good players (I was playing Halo 2 with some of the best players in the world for a while).
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Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
August 05 2009 20:33 GMT
#69
I am so pumped for Halo 3: ODST. September 23 will be a great day.
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