[Game] Osu! - Page 113

I'm getting sick of every fucking map either being anime, touhou, or vocaloid too :/ I love DnB, IDM, Dubstep, Breakcore, etc. almost all of which work quite well with music games, and yet I see almost nobody mapping these kinds of music. Part of the reason I love Galvenize's map's so much is because many of them are DnB. The few breakcore and IDM maps that are out there are generally stupidly hard, to the point where only the best players can even attempt to pass them, which makes me sad, because they could easily have another difficulty that isn't so damned hard.

I can agree with the sentiment that things are becoming too tailored to tablet players (fucking everyone plays tablet now) and they are purposely making things hard. However what I consider a fun map changes with my skill level. When something is too hard for me, it's not as fun, when it's too easy, it's not fun either. I used to love Halo Glare [Into The Dark], but now that map is absurdly easy for me, and I can see the flaws in the mapping that I couldn't see when it was the perfect difficulty. Some of the older maps I have that experiment with difficulty through other means are annoying as hell. I can't deal with low AR, I can't deal with stupidly small circles either, and maps that have crazy life drain are just plain annoying most of the time. I personally think difficulty should generally come from the actual mapping patterns, snap distance, and such. Small tweaks to things like the AR and life drain and circle size should be allowed, but I feel like the massive range in most of those options is not necessary. I mean, you should not be able to make an insane map with the largest circle size, slowest AR, and lowest life drain, but a crazy pattern that's practically unreadable because there are 30 circles on screen at once overlapping eachother etc. Neither should you be able to slap max life drain, minimum circle size, and AR10 on a map... ever. That's far too punishing to even be allowed.

As for the comment about being over-spaced, I'd disagree, simply because I don't think you can definitively say what the spacing for a song should be. Personally, I am constantly looking for maps with large jumps and bigger spacing as I get better.

Could you give some examples of maps that you consider extremely well mapped, or give me a list of mappers who you think are better than many of the current ones?

Incoming WoT



I'm not a good mapper lol, well I'm good at mapping normals and hards but I'm pretty shit at mapping insanes

I just have very particular opinions and tastes in maps D:



What I meant is that it feels like a lot of maps are just getting spaced wider and wider to artificially make things harder when all it really does is just make things annoying to FC because of the wide spacing. They're possible with mouse, but it's widely known that tablet makes certain kinds of jumps easier for most players (I won't say all because it does come down to personal skill at some point).

Maps should be hard for the right reasons, not cranking the approach rate up to 10 on a 120 bpm song just to make it feel faster, or increasing the distance snap to 1.8x when the jumps don't even fit the music. Some recent examples that come to mind would be U - Ha-tenya and DJ Genericname - Dear You, the spacing in those is just unnecessarily large and is artificial difficulty.



I like anime/Touhou music, I just dislike the way that those songs are being mapped nowadays. Don't care much for dubstep but I like some techno/trance/DnB, stuff that would go good in Bemani games. My first rhythm game was DDR Extreme so I like a lot of the stuff from that and anything that sounds similar.

I realize fun is subjective and I'm a bit old fashioned in that sense because I'm washed up now. Three years ago I could safely say I was one of the top 100 or 200 players in the game, now a combination of maps getting harder and players getting better means I'm probably not even in the top 1000 players skillwise. I like some old maps that are/were considered "hard", like Chocobo, Crazy Motorcycle Chase, Hardware Store, Cirno's Perfect Math Class, Himiko, ignorethis' U.N. Owen Was Her, Time to Air, etc. The maps I find fun are slower stream maps like Justice to Believe or Mystearica's Agony, as well as maps that have interesting and creative design or rhythm, like Alace/Darri/Al-Azif maps, as well as tobebuta's F and Life is Game maps, to name a few. I like some fast maps too, I just am pretty bad at high bpm so I tend to avoid playing them.

IMO difficulty should come from the song, if the song is slow there's no reason to overmap it or crank up the approach rate or use small ass circles just to make things artificially harder. It just seems like people are intent on making "that one map that Cookiezi can't pass" so they make everything just over-the-top ridiculous, like that Big Black map that was recently approved. For overspacing I'll use this as an example: http://osu.ppy.sh/s/40071 How this map ever got ranked like this is beyond me, the spacing and difficulty settings are absurd for a song that's fairly relaxing in nature. Difficulty should come from patterns and spacing sure, but it should also suit the song, and there's obviously such a thing as going completely overboard with the spacing. Another example I'll bring up is val's Homework Crisis map; I really like how he mapped his easy through insane level difficulties, but the Let's Jump one is just retarded in terms of spacing. Some people find that stuff fun, I don't, it's just a difference in taste. I know you guys here like a lot of newer maps because that's what you "grew up" with on osu, so to speak, while I'm more fond of older maps that follow distance snap rules fairly religiously. That kind of spacing is more intuitive to me and the jumps make sense. Not that I can't play hugely spaced things like Gold Dust (I have a page of 95-96% scores on it, just can't FC it for obvious reasons), I just heavily dislike that kind of spacing when to me the song doesn't call for that kind of difficulty spike.

Personally I think approach rate being adjustable, I never understood why it isn't when the speed of incoming notes is adjustable to the player in pretty much every other rhythm game out there. Some people play Stepmania better at C700 or C800 or higher, other people can only play C400 or C500. I happen to enjoy playing AR6 and 7 the most, while pretty much everybody I talk to nowadays can't stand playing anything under AR8.

And finally, you wanted a list of maps I like, well here you go. There's a lot of older maps and a number of newer maps as well. For the record I spent like 3 hours compiling all these, THAT'S HOW SERIOUS I AM ;D

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Final note: I'm not trying to completely shit all over new maps (I posted that other post in a fit of rage) nor am I trying to convince you guys to all get on the "old maps are great yeah!" bandwagon since I know we've played osu during two completely different time periods so our tastes are different. All I'm trying to make a case for is that I believe there is a huge misconception with newer players that all old maps are bad because they play the wrong ones and assume all the old maps are like that when they're not. Not all old maps are like the old Airman map, and on the flip side I also understand that not all new maps are as dumb as the new Airman map. For me it's more that the best of the old maps are mostly better than the best of the newer maps, but an average/bad map nowadays is definitely better than an average/bad map from 2009 and early 2010. Also if I legitimately was able to keep your attention and you read the entire post then you deserve a cookie because I rambled a lot.

Incoming WoT



I'm not a good mapper lol, well I'm good at mapping normals and hards but I'm pretty shit at mapping insanes

I just have very particular opinions and tastes in maps D:



What I meant is that it feels like a lot of maps are just getting spaced wider and wider to artificially make things harder when all it really does is just make things annoying to FC because of the wide spacing. They're possible with mouse, but it's widely known that tablet makes certain kinds of jumps easier for most players (I won't say all because it does come down to personal skill at some point).

Maps should be hard for the right reasons, not cranking the approach rate up to 10 on a 120 bpm song just to make it feel faster, or increasing the distance snap to 1.8x when the jumps don't even fit the music. Some recent examples that come to mind would be U - Ha-tenya and DJ Genericname - Dear You, the spacing in those is just unnecessarily large and is artificial difficulty.



I like anime/Touhou music, I just dislike the way that those songs are being mapped nowadays. Don't care much for dubstep but I like some techno/trance/DnB, stuff that would go good in Bemani games. My first rhythm game was DDR Extreme so I like a lot of the stuff from that and anything that sounds similar.

I realize fun is subjective and I'm a bit old fashioned in that sense because I'm washed up now. Three years ago I could safely say I was one of the top 100 or 200 players in the game, now a combination of maps getting harder and players getting better means I'm probably not even in the top 1000 players skillwise. I like some old maps that are/were considered "hard", like Chocobo, Crazy Motorcycle Chase, Hardware Store, Cirno's Perfect Math Class, Himiko, ignorethis' U.N. Owen Was Her, Time to Air, etc. The maps I find fun are slower stream maps like Justice to Believe or Mystearica's Agony, as well as maps that have interesting and creative design or rhythm, like Alace/Darri/Al-Azif maps, as well as tobebuta's F and Life is Game maps, to name a few. I like some fast maps too, I just am pretty bad at high bpm so I tend to avoid playing them.

IMO difficulty should come from the song, if the song is slow there's no reason to overmap it or crank up the approach rate or use small ass circles just to make things artificially harder. It just seems like people are intent on making "that one map that Cookiezi can't pass" so they make everything just over-the-top ridiculous, like that Big Black map that was recently approved. For overspacing I'll use this as an example: http://osu.ppy.sh/s/40071 How this map ever got ranked like this is beyond me, the spacing and difficulty settings are absurd for a song that's fairly relaxing in nature. Difficulty should come from patterns and spacing sure, but it should also suit the song, and there's obviously such a thing as going completely overboard with the spacing. Another example I'll bring up is val's Homework Crisis map; I really like how he mapped his easy through insane level difficulties, but the Let's Jump one is just retarded in terms of spacing. Some people find that stuff fun, I don't, it's just a difference in taste. I know you guys here like a lot of newer maps because that's what you "grew up" with on osu, so to speak, while I'm more fond of older maps that follow distance snap rules fairly religiously. That kind of spacing is more intuitive to me and the jumps make sense. Not that I can't play hugely spaced things like Gold Dust (I have a page of 95-96% scores on it, just can't FC it for obvious reasons), I just heavily dislike that kind of spacing when to me the song doesn't call for that kind of difficulty spike.

Personally I think approach rate being adjustable, I never understood why it isn't when the speed of incoming notes is adjustable to the player in pretty much every other rhythm game out there. Some people play Stepmania better at C700 or C800 or higher, other people can only play C400 or C500. I happen to enjoy playing AR6 and 7 the most, while pretty much everybody I talk to nowadays can't stand playing anything under AR8.

And finally, you wanted a list of maps I like, well here you go. There's a lot of older maps and a number of newer maps as well. For the record I spent like 3 hours compiling all these, THAT'S HOW SERIOUS I AM ;D

+ Show Spoiler +

Final note: I'm not trying to completely shit all over new maps (I posted that other post in a fit of rage) nor am I trying to convince you guys to all get on the "old maps are great yeah!" bandwagon since I know we've played osu during two completely different time periods so our tastes are different. All I'm trying to make a case for is that I believe there is a huge misconception with newer players that all old maps are bad because they play the wrong ones and assume all the old maps are like that when they're not. Not all old maps are like the old Airman map, and on the flip side I also understand that not all new maps are as dumb as the new Airman map. For me it's more that the best of the old maps are mostly better than the best of the newer maps, but an average/bad map nowadays is definitely better than an average/bad map from 2009 and early 2010. Also if I legitimately was able to keep your attention and you read the entire post then you deserve a cookie because I rambled a lot.