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Realpenguin
Profile Joined December 2006
8253 Posts
August 16 2009 13:08 GMT
#61
GAH i wish my keyboard didn't die out on me

i'm stuck with this crappy old keyboard that won't let me use focus and move at the same time
<Wolfpox> i remember when MVP beat that one guy, and everyone was like 'whoa' except that penguin dude.
LordWeird
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3411 Posts
August 16 2009 13:11 GMT
#62
On August 16 2009 22:08 Realpenguin wrote:
i'm stuck with this crappy old keyboard that won't let me use focus and move at the same time



I feel your pain....

It really makes StarCraft an absolute blast to play though!
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tyr
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France1686 Posts
August 16 2009 13:14 GMT
#63
Shift switches you to "focus" mode. You move slower and it displays the hitbox of your character (the hitbox is always the same btw, the only thing focus does about that, is that it displays it).
This mode is very good for precision moves, when there are a lot of bullets on the screen.
Plus, depending on the character you're playing, it will change your fire pattern, usually focusing it more. That's why it has this name.

Z is the fire button. Basically, you'll have it pressed 98% of the time (the other 2% are for very specific moments where you if you shoot, it's not good.)

X is the bomb button. The bomb is not the same for every character. It even changes between one character's different fire modes.
The common thing between all the bombs is that it will make your character invincible for a short period of time (around 5 seconds). It usually cleans the screen of a lot/all bullets also.
If you aim well, you also can deal a lot of damage to the boss you're fighting.
Use it if you're about to die, or if you're too confused by the bullets flying everywhere. It will buy you enough time to refocus. Note that you can still bomb for like 0.1sec when you're hit by an ennemy bullet.

This is really basic stuff, you'll learn how to perfectly use bombs according to your game style by playing more.
"I'm always reminded of how manly Jaedong is every time I see him." -Bisu
LordWeird
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3411 Posts
August 16 2009 13:16 GMT
#64
tyr, thanks a lot man. that clears stuff up a bit for me

okay, now i go back to dying 50x
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Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-16 15:15:03
August 16 2009 15:13 GMT
#65
On August 16 2009 13:58 tyr wrote:
Lol what
Every extra stage final boss, and final level 6 boss spellcard is immune to bomb damage.
Or did I miss something there ?
But yeah, Nue's spellcard where lasers are morphing into bullets and back again is the spellcard where I die. Haha. I'll have to focus more to get past through.



I'm pretty certain I just bombed my way through Kaguya's spellcards so she definitely doesn't shield them. They might take less damage sure but not immune.

I'm talking about full immunity here. Flandre and Remilia totally vanish when you cast a bomb and you can't even fire regular bullets at them during this period. As far as I know every other boss until Nue can at least take damage from regular shots.

But yes as for keyboard playing... I fully and totally recommend a game pad if you start to like the game and play it extensively. Takes a little bit of getting used to because it's harder to control than the keyboard but it also you to make much quicker and more intricate direction changes than the keyboard allows.

It's hard to move in all four diagonals on a keyboard while tapping shift... not so much with a gamepad.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
tyr
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France1686 Posts
August 16 2009 16:04 GMT
#66
I'm talking about the final spellcard of the level 6 boss, not all the spellcards.
I'm pretty sure all the final bosses vanish on the final spellcard if you use bomb.
And every final extra boss vanish during each spellcard if you bomb.
"I'm always reminded of how manly Jaedong is every time I see him." -Bisu
armed_
Profile Joined November 2008
Canada443 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-16 18:38:57
August 16 2009 18:38 GMT
#67
On August 17 2009 00:13 Jayme wrote:
Takes a little bit of getting used to because it's harder to control than the keyboard but it also you to make much quicker and more intricate direction changes than the keyboard allows.

It's hard to move in all four diagonals on a keyboard while tapping shift... not so much with a gamepad.

This is totally false. There are no physical limitations to speak of when it comes to control on a keyboard, if you can't do it you simply aren't used to it.

Edit: On a side note, I can sometimes make it through level 2 on Lunatic. D;
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17048 Posts
August 16 2009 18:55 GMT
#68
On August 17 2009 03:38 armed_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2009 00:13 Jayme wrote:
Takes a little bit of getting used to because it's harder to control than the keyboard but it also you to make much quicker and more intricate direction changes than the keyboard allows.

It's hard to move in all four diagonals on a keyboard while tapping shift... not so much with a gamepad.

This is totally false. There are no physical limitations to speak of when it comes to control on a keyboard, if you can't do it you simply aren't used to it.

Edit: On a side note, I can sometimes make it through level 2 on Lunatic. D;


Some keyboards don't let you input more than two or three keys at once.
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armed_
Profile Joined November 2008
Canada443 Posts
August 16 2009 19:48 GMT
#69
On August 17 2009 03:55 Empyrean wrote:
Some keyboards don't let you input more than two or three keys at once.

Except that's not what he was talking about, and the very few keyboards will have any problems with the arrows keys while holding Z and Shift.
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
August 17 2009 04:00 GMT
#70
Alright, finally finished reading Umineko, now I can go on to die, die, and die some more to this bloody game. Seriously, curvy lasers ><
Tyrio
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3248 Posts
August 17 2009 04:11 GMT
#71
12.3 is up on rapidshare, though I seem to keep getting critical errors . Whenever I finish Sanae's story mode or enter practice with Suwako, it errors out
[NA] Tyrio.486 / Ahsh
Realpenguin
Profile Joined December 2006
8253 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-17 04:57:55
August 17 2009 04:53 GMT
#72
On August 17 2009 04:48 armed_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2009 03:55 Empyrean wrote:
Some keyboards don't let you input more than two or three keys at once.

Except that's not what he was talking about, and the very few keyboards will have any problems with the arrows keys while holding Z and Shift.

I can use Z, Shift, and all the arrow keys except for the down arrow key simultaneously. One arrow makes a big difference ;;

The keyboard I'm using is REALLY FUCKING OLD, it hasn't been in production for a long time, and I can't find any info on it on google.
I believe the model is the Keytronics LR60161 (that's what it says on the back, but I'm just guessing about the brand).

Here's a handy program to see what keys your keyboard can handle (I swear it's not a keylogger):
http://www.mediafire.com/?yhtzzjkjred
It's a pain playing FPS games now as well, if I'm holding w+d or w+a most keys around them won't work.

I'm going to buy a new standard keyboard soon. Any suggestions (other than the flashy Razer keyboards/Logitech G15)? I would get a DT35, but the only site that sells it is selling it for $40 (and free shipping).
<Wolfpox> i remember when MVP beat that one guy, and everyone was like 'whoa' except that penguin dude.
MamiyaOtaru
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1687 Posts
August 17 2009 08:45 GMT
#73
get something with n-key rollover so you can hold down all keys at once only mild overkill
tube
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1475 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-17 14:06:51
August 17 2009 14:06 GMT
#74
bump for 12.3
hopefully I can figure out netplay on this and not fail miserably like I did on the other 3 netplay-activated games

edit: I didn't even realize people posted in this recently, guess it was an unnecessary bump
Two in harmony surpasses one in perfection.
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
August 17 2009 14:42 GMT
#75
It's been a long time since I've played a good shmup. I'll give this a try.
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-17 16:11:58
August 17 2009 16:10 GMT
#76
On August 17 2009 13:11 Tyrio wrote:
12.3 is up on rapidshare, though I seem to keep getting critical errors . Whenever I finish Sanae's story mode or enter practice with Suwako, it errors out

Haven't heard much about errors with 12.3, but that error seems like an irregularity. It is the pre-installed version right? afaik images are not out yet.

Is this thread expanding into a Touhou thread (We had another one iirc) or is it being kept in scope of 12?

On August 17 2009 23:06 tube wrote:
bump for 12.3
hopefully I can figure out netplay on this and not fail miserably like I did on the other 3 netplay-activated games

edit: I didn't even realize people posted in this recently, guess it was an unnecessary bump

From what I've heard netplay is having issues. There is a patch out, so try this.
Tyrio
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3248 Posts
August 17 2009 18:24 GMT
#77
On August 18 2009 01:10 Ecael wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2009 13:11 Tyrio wrote:
12.3 is up on rapidshare, though I seem to keep getting critical errors . Whenever I finish Sanae's story mode or enter practice with Suwako, it errors out

Haven't heard much about errors with 12.3, but that error seems like an irregularity. It is the pre-installed version right? afaik images are not out yet.


Solved it by downloading the patched version :p
[NA] Tyrio.486 / Ahsh
oob
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden630 Posts
August 17 2009 21:33 GMT
#78
It's pretty cool. Hard as hell tho, and I dont understand anything O.o
Happiest man on earth
Realpenguin
Profile Joined December 2006
8253 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-18 01:46:27
August 18 2009 01:38 GMT
#79
phew, I actually found a temporary fix for my keyboard's crappiness

Just remapped the arrow keys to Home, Delete, End, and PgDown I, J, K, and L using an Autohotkey script. Still gonna get a new keyboard though.
<Wolfpox> i remember when MVP beat that one guy, and everyone was like 'whoa' except that penguin dude.
ChaosKnight
Profile Joined April 2007
United States819 Posts
August 18 2009 05:13 GMT
#80
Oh wow, a Touhou thread on TL? Didn't know we had one of these :O

Over the past year or so, I've become pretty good at these games. (If anyone is curious in videos, my account is http://www.youtube.com/user/bjwdestroyer.)

As for UFO, there's some serious issues with it on Lunatic. Nothing was changed from the demo, so Kogasa's first boss card is still a bit bullshitty, and stage 3's streaming portion is still ass. And while Ichirin's cards became famous for having terrible fucking colors (red animated bullets on top of a red background with red brofists), stage 5 makes it even worse. Some of the artificial difficulty done by ZUN was also a bit unnecessary (I'm looking at you, Syou's curving lasers), and some patterns are just plain ridiculous (e.g. Byakuren's 2nd noncard).

At the very least, I guess normal and hard are fun for a bit. Extra is kind of uninspired, but Nue's time out card is really fun
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