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Body_Shield
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada3368 Posts
April 06 2011 17:46 GMT
#9021
Mammoth ho!
So, five-card stud, nothing wild... and the sky's the limit
TurpinOS
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada1223 Posts
April 06 2011 17:58 GMT
#9022
FB, just leave corp for hauling if were at war ? youve got director on your main it cant be too complicated and here you go, no more risk.
http://eve.znaor.hr/pimpmydomi/
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34491 Posts
April 06 2011 18:03 GMT
#9023
cael relax, i know, i'm not being entirely serious with this
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Johnny Business
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1251 Posts
April 06 2011 18:24 GMT
#9024
Good thing I am training a long skill.
Serious Business
DillonC
Profile Joined March 2011
Scotland14 Posts
April 06 2011 18:27 GMT
#9025
On April 07 2011 03:24 Johnny Business wrote:
Good thing I am training a long skill.


Engineering V took 4 days and just as it finished the servers went down, so now I can't train Thermodynamics
Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfils the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things. -Winston Churchill
Body_Shield
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada3368 Posts
April 06 2011 18:29 GMT
#9026
5 days left on Medium Eng Turrets V
So, five-card stud, nothing wild... and the sky's the limit
DiracMonopole
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1555 Posts
April 06 2011 18:33 GMT
#9027
My alt has less than a day to get a plex
Weken
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom580 Posts
April 06 2011 18:55 GMT
#9028
On April 07 2011 02:30 Firebolt145 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2011 02:23 Weken wrote:
On April 07 2011 02:19 Firebolt145 wrote:
What if we're at war, huh huh?

Nah it's for moose and i'll be switching between wcs and expanded cargos as needed.

You will be neutral. Right?

er yes, but if i'm in corp and the corp is in a war it doesn't matter if i'm pirate or neutral

Surly it would be better to not be in corp with the alt you plan to use to transport stuff though low sec.
Body_Shield
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada3368 Posts
April 06 2011 19:02 GMT
#9029
Well, they might just attack neutrals anyway since we're all pirates out here. Especially a juicy freighter.
So, five-card stud, nothing wild... and the sky's the limit
psycroptic
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada115 Posts
April 06 2011 19:18 GMT
#9030
patch is taking a horribly long time to download
Weken
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom580 Posts
April 06 2011 19:53 GMT
#9031
On April 07 2011 04:02 Body_Shield wrote:
Well, they might just attack neutrals anyway since we're all pirates out here. Especially a juicy freighter.

But if you have gate guns on your side that they cant kill frighters with single frigs, and that means that unless there was a gate camp with frigs to decloak you then the cloaky freighter would be pretty safe going though low sec if he was bein scouted.
Pufftrees
Profile Joined March 2009
2449 Posts
April 06 2011 19:57 GMT
#9032
Hidden patch note:

Contracts will now update each Tuesday during downtime.
Chance favors the prepared mind.
pahndah
Profile Joined August 2009
1193 Posts
April 06 2011 20:06 GMT
#9033
On April 07 2011 00:25 Mumbleskates wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2011 23:52 pahndah wrote:
On April 06 2011 23:35 Mumbleskates wrote:
On April 06 2011 22:44 pahndah wrote:
On April 06 2011 20:00 Mumbleskates wrote:
On April 06 2011 17:44 pahndah wrote:
On April 06 2011 15:41 Altaen wrote:
On April 06 2011 10:20 pahndah wrote:
On April 05 2011 22:10 Thezzy wrote:
Tri-rep or double rep Myrm with ACs and tracking disruptors can be decent solo boats against a variety of targets, primarily turret boats.
If you trade an AC or two for neuts you'd solo something like a Harby with ease.

Shield tanked Myrms I don't get though, if you want a shield tanked passive battlecruiser, just use a Drake.

Blasters lack damage projection, you need to get so close that the tracking just botches and the DPS is rather unimpressive for how close you need to get.
Tracking enhancers do help, but you're better off using ACs with Gyros, you can start dishing out DPS from further away, with a variable damage type and no cap consumption.


Are you talking about a shield harby or an armor harby? Cause I don't think you can take out an armor harby.


My Myrm can tank 443 DPS, while dealing 393 DPS (yeah, I know that's really low for a BC). But it can upkeep the tank for the entire duration of any 1v1. It has 40,843 EHP

A typical Harbinger has no active tank, but 49,665 EHP and deals 648 DPS. (against my armor tankers strongest resists, while my ACs and drones deal damage against it's weakest)

Even if you don't take the resists into account, the Harbinger's effective DPS drops to 205, Myrmidon dies in 199 seconds. Harbinger, however, dies in 127 seconds, Myrmidon wins.


No...a myrm doesn't win. I said armor harbinger which has 75k ehp, booster, neut, and 1 mid slot to field whatever other ewar it wants besides the point.

Edit: Didn't read Aboms post before I made this one. TLDR Aboms quite wrong, and/or he didn't eft a proper Harbi fit. Also I think the 65k ehp + medium armor rep harbi is more popular than the 75k ehp version.


A proper harbinger should have about 75k buffer (not 50k, that's just sad) and deal about 650 dps with a medium neut; on the other hand, a good Myrm fit has point/web/scram and 2 plates with small autocannons, keeping the harbinger in range with ease and dealing about 450 dps itself and tanking well over 100k in buffer only.

In which case the Myrm ought to win handily.


Its not even viable to fit 2 plates on a proper armor pvp harbinger without gimping it, I need to see this double plated myrm you're talking about. Also a harbinger is faster than a plate myrm with 2 plates so how are you planning to keep the harbinger from abusing scorch?


I didn't say the harbinger should have 2 plates. You get 75k ehp with just one plate on a harbinger.

The myrmidon doesn't have too much trouble keeping the harbinger in range if it manages to land a scram, and if the harbinger is using scorch it's doing even less damage against the myrmidon's massive tank while the myrm is still droning just as well as it does at 0m range.

This isn't EFT warrioring; it's been done, and done a lot -- to great effect.


Did you read my response wrong? I didn't say the harbinger was suppose to have 2 plates, I was referring to your statement of sticking dual plates on a myrm and throwing out numbers that seem wild.I see a lot of flaws in your argument, one of which is your comment about scorch doing less damage than myrm drones...which is impossible unless the harbinger has 0 heat sinks. Much less so when if you're in scram range the harb is using INMF.

I'm willing to agree with Vil that a proper fit myrm vs harb is a relatively close fight, but your argument that a myrm wins flat out seems pretty wrong to me.


In evidence, you are the one who isn't reading my response. I read everything you wrote multiple times.

You did say harbingers with 2 plates can't be done without gimping them. That's perfectly true but not relevant to the discussion. If you meant that you can't do the same to the Myrmidon, then perhaps you need to read my post again and try making one in EFT, and you'll see what I mean.

I didn't say Scorch does less damage than the Myrm's drones. It does do less damage than multi/conflag, and doesn't kill the Myrm faster than the Myrmidon's drones will kill the Harbinger. In the end the Harb will either still be tackled and die, or will be forced to burn away and warp out to escape the Myrmidon.

Nor am I saying that Myrmidons win 'flat out' against Harbingers. Truth be told though, the Myrmidon is often better for 1v1 engagements like this, since it can go full tank in the lows with an excellent active bonus or a massive buffer without reducing its drone damage, but that doesn't mean that the Myrm will always win by any stretch of the imagination.

TL;DR Thezzy knows what he's talking about when he talks about flying Myrmidons, and also the 2plate buffer Myrm is a viable and powerful pvp ship that you shouldn't knock until you try.


I assumed your statement of winning handily = flat out winning. I guess I should have assumed winning handily = marginal advantage to myrmidon? My main arguement was to say that harbi vs myrm is anything but easy for the myrm, which seemed to be your stance in your initial statement. I'm still curious how the myrm can easily keep range on something that's 100 m/s faster than it. And harbinger can blow up heavy drones pretty easily.

Vil, eve test server mkay? We need to test this out.
l1mb0
Profile Joined September 2010
Spain14 Posts
April 06 2011 22:46 GMT
#9034
Shit I am a noobish 4mill skill points pilot already in a corp, but now i wanna be in the TL corp!

What do I do? I was training to fly an ORCA and now I feel like I have 4mill useless SP -.-
Pufftrees
Profile Joined March 2009
2449 Posts
April 06 2011 22:58 GMT
#9035
On April 07 2011 07:46 l1mb0 wrote:


What do I do?


Read the first post of this thread.
Chance favors the prepared mind.
Body_Shield
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada3368 Posts
April 06 2011 23:04 GMT
#9036
You can be the bait
So, five-card stud, nothing wild... and the sky's the limit
_PulSe_
Profile Joined August 2006
United States541 Posts
April 07 2011 01:01 GMT
#9037
So i've begun to do everything in the op. Got myself into a rifter with the skills suggested and I'm curious at what time id be able to get up with anybody about joining.
Its not that Im lazy. Its that I just dont care.
Valenius
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1266 Posts
April 07 2011 01:14 GMT
#9038
On April 07 2011 10:01 _PulSe_ wrote:
So i've begun to do everything in the op. Got myself into a rifter with the skills suggested and I'm curious at what time id be able to get up with anybody about joining.



Recruiting process

New players
Ask in SCBW for a mentor/21 day trial
Get mentored
apply to corp

Old players
pm kwark on tl with your story



It's in the first 10 lines of the OP..
_PulSe_
Profile Joined August 2006
United States541 Posts
April 07 2011 02:11 GMT
#9039
On April 07 2011 10:14 Valenius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2011 10:01 _PulSe_ wrote:
So i've begun to do everything in the op. Got myself into a rifter with the skills suggested and I'm curious at what time id be able to get up with anybody about joining.



Show nested quote +
Recruiting process

New players
Ask in SCBW for a mentor/21 day trial
Get mentored
apply to corp

Old players
pm kwark on tl with your story



It's in the first 10 lines of the OP..


right forgot to mention that i have been talking to people in scbw and its either just a dead channel or people are goofin off. I got nothing against that but so far I don't really enjoy eve's PvE. Just Doing enough lvl1-2 missions to buy all the skill books i want.
Its not that Im lazy. Its that I just dont care.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42794 Posts
April 07 2011 02:12 GMT
#9040
On April 07 2011 11:11 _PulSe_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2011 10:14 Valenius wrote:
On April 07 2011 10:01 _PulSe_ wrote:
So i've begun to do everything in the op. Got myself into a rifter with the skills suggested and I'm curious at what time id be able to get up with anybody about joining.



Recruiting process

New players
Ask in SCBW for a mentor/21 day trial
Get mentored
apply to corp

Old players
pm kwark on tl with your story



It's in the first 10 lines of the OP..


right forgot to mention that i have been talking to people in scbw and its either just a dead channel or people are goofin off. I got nothing against that but so far I don't really enjoy eve's PvE. Just Doing enough lvl1-2 missions to buy all the skill books i want.

Open conversations with firebolt and Caelum over and over until they give in and take care of you.
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