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Khos
Profile Joined October 2008
52 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-15 16:03:43
May 05 2009 12:01 GMT
#541
On May 05 2009 20:11 motbob wrote:
AAA went completely quiet in the East after that. Completely. They haven't shown up at all since then. This has allowed the NC to begin to demolish EXE's Sov 4 constellation in Period Basis. Two systems have already been completely cleared of towers, with the rest almost certainly soon to follow.

Do you mean West here? If so, AAA/ROL/SE/etc has shown up in 49- during an OP early this morning.
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Gretchen
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Germany128 Posts
May 05 2009 12:13 GMT
#542
The factions need some sorting out still.

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.png

NC consists of RAZOR Alliance, Morsus Mihi, Tau Ceti Federation, Imperial Republic of the North and smaller entities. Currently involved in Delve are RZR and MM. TCF joined the eastern front to take pressure from Delve, but they aren't really involved with Legion of xXDEATHXx.

Legion of xXDEATHXx are the PVPers, Shadow of xXDEATHXx are just carebears and renters living in the region and financing the Legion. They have ties to the old "motherland" Red Alliance and their friends from SOLAR FLEET, not really to the NC and Goons.

KIA Alliance, as far as i know, are not part of the NC. They live in Geminate and are friendly to the Goons and/or hate BoB. I don't really know what they want excactly. Seems like they get some of Period Basis, when it's conquered. Same with Zenith Affinity

Pandemic Legion hates BoB. Wherever BoB goes, they fight them. PL were allied with the Goons in the Great War, they were in the North when BoB had its "MAX Damage" Campaign and now they are in Delve to finish it. They are not involved with the NC and the rest, only somewhat friendly to Goons but not always allied. It's said, that they will reset standing to their temporary allies, when this is over (as they did before). They don't need new systems, they are rich as fuck.

Intrepid Crossing/Ethereal Dawn actually stopped fighting as told, because they had the whole NC against them. It was Red Alliance who attacked again and some northern alliances like Majesta Empire joined in. Goons don't care, because RA is doing good, but IRC/ED are pretty much the punchingball know.
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motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
May 05 2009 12:23 GMT
#543
Thanks for all the corrections! I made a bunch of edits to reflect them. I'm going to just keep using NC as a term for Goon allies involved in Delve. It makes things much simpler.
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General Nuke Em
Profile Joined March 2008
United States680 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-05 12:41:01
May 05 2009 12:40 GMT
#544
Its also wrong.

You might as well just call the war red vs. blue.
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
May 05 2009 12:44 GMT
#545
On May 05 2009 21:40 General Nuke Em wrote:
Its also wrong.

You might as well just call the war red vs. blue.

Nope, "red" is three letters to type out, "NC" is only two
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General Nuke Em
Profile Joined March 2008
United States680 Posts
May 05 2009 12:47 GMT
#546
My point is that its factually incorrect to refer to PL, Goons, and KIA as members of the NC. Just as it would be incorrect to refer to AAA/SE/ROL as members of the GKC.
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
May 05 2009 16:26 GMT
#547
On May 05 2009 21:47 General Nuke Em wrote:
My point is that its factually incorrect to refer to PL, Goons, and KIA as members of the NC. Just as it would be incorrect to refer to AAA/SE/ROL as members of the GKC.

Yeah, I know... I basically said that my designation of alliances in the "NC" is wrong. I don't care, though... I just need something to call the forces in Delve. Like you said, I might as well call them red or blue.
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motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
May 05 2009 16:36 GMT
#548
Oh my god. Just in from The Mittani. He played us and he played us hard. Remember the Goon heist of IRC/ED that happened because they invaded RA space?

In the end, all of my fancy diplomatic maneuvering and bare-knuckled theft was for naught. While IRC/ED did publicly surrender and withdraw from Insmother, their invasion catalyzed a resurgence within the moribund Red Alliance. RA waited a mere two days after the IRC/ED announcement before counter-invading Etherium Reach. My hard-won peace hadn't amounted to much, though now it was IRC/ED losing space instead of Red Alliance.

But I couldn't complain. After all, Gobblock wasn't actually one of my agents - he was just one of 6000 goons - and he hadn't stolen a red cent from IRC, much less a titan, capital fleet and a pile of jump freighters. Against IRC, I hadn't had a card in my hand, because the real thieves had used Gobblock as a cover to shield their identities. In return for financial compensation, the culprits had given Gob doctored screenshots to help him pose as the guilty party, and after I spoke with him, he agreed to play himself off as a 'GIA Agent', acting as if 'his' heist was part of an alliance-level reprisal for the Insmother invasion. To my delight, IRC had fallen for a bastard's bluff.
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Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
May 05 2009 19:13 GMT
#549
More updates from The Mittani in this thread.

Obligatory EVE maps site for finding systems using their abbreviations:
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/

+ Show Spoiler [5/4 Overview and Update] +
OVERVIEW

If our enemies were competent, we could have been in a lot of trouble this week. That impression is reinforced when you look back at the OP of last week's update thread. In theory, the collapse of the Tenerifis front could have left us in Deep **** (tm). In practice, TCF and XIX were able to regroup without much trouble after the loss of 46DP, -A-'s fleets got doomsdayed repeatedly in Querious, and RKZ and EXE spent several critical days wibbling about their strategy regarding Period Basis. At first they wanted to cede PB without a fight and concentrate in 49, but as soon as we began dropping towers they changed their mind and wanted to fight for EXE's space. Not like it mattered; we crushed them, and as I write this ther Period Basis front is almost entirely purged.

What matters now is consistency of effort from our membership and capital fleet. We have achieved dominance in the euro timezone repeatedly this week. If we finish off the last EXE station in Period Basis and bring this level of concentration to Querious, we will be in good shape to ruin RKZ forever. If we choke and allow them breathing room, they will recover. Simple.

Now, front by front.

PERIOD BASIS:

Over the course of three days, EXE has been transformed from the proud defender of a Sov4 constellation to a greasy, contemptible stain in the road. Z-M5 has only one hostile tower left at this moment, and in a few hours it's likely that it will have nothing. G-Q was hellpurged and is neutral sov as of today. All that remains is the Sov4 capital system of PA-VE3. RAWR spammed the nonstation systems in the constellation several days ago, so they will flip to neutral or RAWR when the 7 day claim ticker is over. This may be quite possible the fastest that an actively defended Sov4 constellation has fallen in the history of the game.

RKZ no longer owns any R64s in Period Basis.

With the fall of PA-VE3, there will be no more 'Period Basis Front'. This will allow ZAF, KIA and RAWR - the primary coalition forces invested in this region - to focus entirely upon Querious.

DELVE FRONT:

1-SMEB is periodically sieged by us when we run out of other RKZ targets to shoot. It has 6 moons, 4 RKZ, 2 LWTAX. If we swing one moon we'll ensure that RKZ doesn't get Sov3 there, though at this point we've amply demonstrated how irrelevant jammers are for RKZ.

Every constellation we stole from RKZ is at Sov4 now. This is significant. The 'new' constellation we built around NOL is ticking away.
EXE still had 4 towers in M0O to our 4. This is a pretty low-priority target with EXE's collapse but it's there.

QUERIOUS FRONT:

RKZ lost the C-7 R64 yesterday to our combined forces in euro prime. RKZ now owns only 3 R64s, one in P4 and two in 49. The P4 comes out tomorrow and we hope to pick it up; even if we don't, it is very simple for us to keep a mere three towers in two systems perma-sieged, and we will do so to deny RKZ their alliance-level income.

While I was drafting this update, we invaded 49- in euro prime and took out the RKZ cynojammer while it was guarded by a Titan. We simply tanked the DD, downed the jammer, cyno'd in our caps and have prepared to hellpurge the system.

With the annihilation of RKZ's counteroffensive in H74, you can expect us to ratchet up the pressure in 49 and ignore 3BK. Hopefully we will get some good results, though we should anticipate this to be a long, unpleasant slog.

If we get pushed back from 49, which is always a possibility, the collapse of resistance in Period Basis means that we will begin hitting pet targets of opportunity, getting rid of all the wretched little towers owned by quislings like Skunk-Works and CIC in OUR REGION. There's a lot of cleaning up to do, and it's got to happen.

UPDATE

At first, I thought this was going to be a very lengthy update, but the destruction of EXE was so total during the last 30 hours or so that it has made my job easy. G-Q was hellpurged and has no hostile towers left; Z-M only has one. Many of these towers popped over the course of the day, and it was sort of a continuous process of ****.

Around 17:00 yesterday the coalition took a break from obliterating EXE to seize and capture the C-7 R64 in a series of running battles, the highlight of which was the repeated doomsdaying of Sir Molle. How's them apples? In every engagement, we wiped the floor with RKZ; by this point in the day's campaign, the conflic began to seem like more like an execution than a war.

After obliterating C-7, we went back to purging Z-M and G-Q. At downtime G-Q went neutral and was captured by KIA. After downtime, more Z-M towers were killed. The last one comes out in euro time today, and we intend to kill it if we can break away from sieging 49.

About an hour ago, we rammed our coalition fleet into 49- and downed the jammer there while it was guarded by a RKZ titan. Blowing off its doomsdays, we took out the jammer, brought our caps in, bubbled the gates and have commenced an all-day hellpurge. We have 37 hostile towers to chew through; it's time to get to work.

+ Show Spoiler [5/5 Update] +
We had a big day yesterday, though there were some screwups. Z-M has 50 moons and with Sov4 bonuses, EXE gets a 2-day sov claim; after blowing the hell out of the system, we missed them dropping a single tower amidst all the chaos. Sadly, this means the system isn't neutral, but it doesn't matter because the KIA claim kicks in tomorrow.

After taking syscontrol of 49 early on, we proceeded to reinforce 25+ hostile towers in the system. Most notably, four of the RKZ towers were kited into US timezone. If we're on the ball, we should be able to seize control of them.

Unsurprisingly, RKZ called on ROL and -A- to bail them out, which we expect to happen every time we hit 49. They came en masse at 9:30 evetime to help Kenny rep, with a total of about 200 hostiles. That's less than I expected, but more than we could handle - especially since we seem to have burnt out our FCs last night and so no one is around to lead goons right now.

At downtime, RKZ dropped some new towers, focusing on R64s mostly. They spammed K-YI1L, ZAU and P4. Apparently this is necessary because RKZ hasn't successfully downed a jammer in weeks, so maybe they see this as a precursor to capturing these R64s. Either way, it's an indication that only having 3 constantly reinforced R64s is hurting them.

More seriously, RKZ dropped 5 towers in I1Y, an office outpost in Querious. They have 5 to our 10, now.
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
May 05 2009 20:02 GMT
#550
Btw thanks for all the informative posts, guys.

motbob: from what I've seen, the Goons + Allies are typically called "the Coalition" while the GKC + Allies are typically called ASSCAKES, but obviously that naming scheme is a tad biased.

Maybe just refer to them as G+As (Goons + Allies) vs K+As (KenZoku + Allies)?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 05 2009 23:50 GMT
#551
The funny part is that until they got stupid, most of us looked at IRC/ED in that cute little brother sort of way. Then their leadership lost it's mind and decided to attack RA. Now you're no better than SMASH to us. You all know what happened to SMASH, right?

I honestly have no inherent dislike for IRC or ED, but you don't **** with RA. Them's the rules.


More truth:
RA had what, 8 kills on AAA, 20 kills on Atlas, before we started roaming. That's right. They weren't "helping" the tenerifis front at all.

IRC was originally limited to 15 man roaming gangs into RA space. No POS-shooting allowed. IRC HC told IRC membership that their allies (Goons+NC) approved this roaming. Then Oldma came into vent after we formed up a BS fleet. Oldma was very ****ed and said that we were "ordered" to set Lucky League blue and that we're now gonna blow up their POS. We did blow up their POS and I brought my ship to do it. Then everything that Mittani said seemed to have happened.

We didn't just fail diplomatically. We failed in N7- where we dropped many large POS's and tried to fight 150 men majesta fleets in ED homespace and 200 man RA+co fleets in n7-.

I'm another one of those IRC members who's going to get kicked for speaking the truth most likely, but at least someone like me, just an honest reader of CAOD who sifts through the BS, will be a little more knowledgable on the subject.


So right now RA is basically fighting who at this moment, are they in any form of an alliance with GZK or GS?
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Khos
Profile Joined October 2008
52 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-09 09:56:00
May 06 2009 00:34 GMT
#552
On May 06 2009 08:50 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So right now RA is basically fighting who at this moment, are they in any form of an alliance with GZK or GS?

After a venture into RA space to expand their territory, IRC/ED are now having their space sieged by RA forces and pets, basically.

Edit: hurf
YellOw/EffOrt/Jaedong+
BeJe77
Profile Joined April 2006
United States377 Posts
May 06 2009 01:27 GMT
#553
Well, it's not just RA that is fighting IRC/ED...There are quite a few Northern Coalition (Northern Monkeys as Kenzoku calls em) pets along side RA. If it was just IRC/ED vs RA. IRC/ED would not have problems taking on and smashing RA but since the other entities got involved it soon turned into a massive disadvantage towards IRC/ED...

As for Queriouse it's again, ping pong day... Yesterday NC/Goons/PL had a advantage (a lot larger fleet) and sieged towers in 49-u etc....Today it's the opposite, Kenzoku/-A-/Stainwagon came in force with about 350-400 pilots and had the advantage all day, spaming towers over Queriouse and also reinforcing/killing some in 49....They got a pos coming out reinforced tonight so well see if there is a fight over it....

That about sums it up for now ...

BeJ
Khos
Profile Joined October 2008
52 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-15 16:03:09
May 06 2009 02:39 GMT
#554
On May 06 2009 10:27 BeJe77 wrote:
Well, it's not just RA that is fighting IRC/ED...There are quite a few Northern Coalition (Northern Monkeys as Kenzoku calls em) pets along side RA. If it was just IRC/ED vs RA. IRC/ED would not have problems taking on and smashing RA but since the other entities got involved it soon turned into a massive disadvantage towards IRC/ED...

As for Queriouse it's again, ping pong day... Yesterday NC/Goons/PL had a advantage (a lot larger fleet) and sieged towers in 49-u etc....Today it's the opposite, Kenzoku/-A-/Stainwagon came in force with about 350-400 pilots and had the advantage all day, spaming towers over Queriouse and also reinforcing/killing some in 49....They got a pos coming out reinforced tonight so well see if there is a fight over it....

That about sums it up for now ...

BeJ


IRC/ED is having lots of trouble with RA at the moment, I doubt they would have smashed them, as the same pets fighting with them now would just have gladly defended RA space. You don't attack one alliance without expecting their friends to leave them to die.
YellOw/EffOrt/Jaedong+
Savio
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1850 Posts
May 06 2009 03:02 GMT
#555
I thought I would interrupt this conversations to say....

HOLY crap! That was the longest OP ever! tl;dr doesn't even touch it.

On a side note though, I am intrigued by the game and have been considering playing it
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kazokun
Profile Joined April 2008
United States163 Posts
May 06 2009 18:43 GMT
#556
On May 06 2009 12:02 Savio wrote:
I thought I would interrupt this conversations to say....

HOLY crap! That was the longest OP ever! tl;dr doesn't even touch it.

On a side note though, I am intrigued by the game and have been considering playing it


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Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-06 19:37:40
May 06 2009 19:37 GMT
#557
Today's Mittani update:

----5/6/09 UPDATE----



For all the blobbing and siegeing that has occurred in the last two days, there's been precious little strategic movement to report. Several things went wrong, though, and we need to go over these ****ups so we don't smack into them again.

First, after the hellpurge on 5/4, our capitals were ordered to log off at a single tower, 8-5. When the operation was planned among the allied command, it was agreed that we would distribute our capitals between all of our towers so they weren't concentrated in one vulnerable place. In error, the order to log off at one tower was given; it was obscenely late at the time and after 25+ sieges, **** happens. Unfortunately, the **** which happened resulted in 8-5 getting ****caged for most of the day, causing at least two carrier deaths (One GS and one allied) that I know of. In the future when we are logging off caps under a jammer, we'll be distributing them to avoid this kind of event.

Second, the fact that we engaged in such an extended hellpurge on 5/4 meant that everyone was a wreck from exhaustion on 5/5. Erik Amirault pointed out that we could have achieved the same stategic effect - ringing the 49- doorbell, as it were - with only 5-10 hostile towers reinforced, and without the fleet suffering burnout the next day. He is right. Historically after a hellpurge we have a day of leaning back and being smug, not CRITICAL OP CRITICAL OP, so this kind of burnout hadn't been identified until now. Of course, in hindsight, it seems obvious. Welp!

Now, the line-by-line. RKZ/pets + SE/pets called an op at 9:30 evetime to rep their towers in 49-, and they spent the bulk of the day repping and sieging GS towers. Stain Empire did the heavy lifting; -A- turnout was weak, and SE - the most dangerous of the forces against us - was willing to put caps on the field to hold Kenny's hand. 9 GS towers are in RF; one has a questionable 22:00 timer but otherwise we're in good shape, as you can tell from the pos jpg.
Our response the outpouring of hostiles in 49 seemed to vary based upon if you had read the 'order of battle' I posted or not. Goons had been informed that this would happen and that it was part of our 'ding dong ditch' strategy, but I forgot to post this on CAOD, so I don't think our member-level allies realized that we had intended to provoke increasing SE/ROL/-A- turnout and slowly burn them out, even if allied leadership were all on the same page. TCF showed up looking for a ~good fight~ and got a fleet nuked, but Imperian's HAC fleet bounced around for the bulk of the day wreaking havoc.

In US TZ we had system control, but not enough to safely down the RKZ jammer; we repped our towers the old-fashioned way. Highlights involve a lot of fun running battles and whacking a Skunkworks carrier; I was able to personally play for a couple of hours and got in on the carrier kill.

At downtime today, RKZ spammed 5 towers in Q2, one of our sov3 R64 systems; Q2 has two R64s in it, so it's an extremely high priority to defend. It has become clear that RKZ is dropping 5 in our Querious R64s because they are unable to take our jammers down; they hope to break our sov3 in order to open them to attack. RZR nuked the Ark EVOL was using to spam Q2.

Also at downtime, ROL sieged one of our R64s, 5V-, and lost a dread to our valiant posgunners.

Going forward, we are going to be bouncing a lot between systems. It will be critical to do a lot of siegework today; much of it will be under a jammer in the R64 systems RKZ has spammed. I'm going to update the R64 spreadsheet to reflect hostile tower numbers as soon as this is posted. We need to do this, but we must also continue to 'ring the bell' in 49. Rather than hellpurging it, we'll keep the R64s and several SE/-A-/ROL towers hit, forcing them to continually come visit and rep, while keeping our main capital fleet working on RKZ spam.
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
May 07 2009 03:12 GMT
#558
Some Goonfleet Guy Wrote:
HOSTILE FLEET DOUBLE DOOMSDAYED IN 49- ON THE 5V- GATE STOP OVER FIFTEEN ENEMY DICTORS BUBBLE AND TAG FRIENDLY TITAN STOP FRIENDLY TITAN UNDER ATTACK BY HOSTILE DREAD FLEET STOP FRIENDLY CARRIERS ON GRID REPPING TITAN STOP ONE FRIENDLY CARRIER DOWN STOP TITAN ESCAPED AT 48% ARMOUR STOP ENEMY DREAD FLEET NOW BUBBLED STOP ENEMY DREADS GOING DOWN STOP ENEMY DREADS CNTL-Q IN DESPERATE ATTEMPT TO ESCAPE STOP ENEMY BATTLESHIP FLEET DESTROYED STOP LAST ENEMY DREADNOUGHTS DESTROYED STOP FIELD HELD BY FRIENDLYS STOP MASS SALVAGING OF WRECKS ONGOING STOP
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-07 03:53:25
May 07 2009 03:51 GMT
#559
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wswordsmen
Profile Joined October 2007
United States987 Posts
May 07 2009 04:01 GMT
#560
While I am awe struck by those screens I can't help but ask for a bit of additional background information on them. Namely who DD (assumption) who, when? (I can infer it is sometime today though)
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