Metagaming in EVE - Page 29

Originally by: Cordova85

So...

6 dreads, and 14 dictors lost for Kenny?



Goons: +3 towers, despite losing one in system only to be retowered

In terms of ships lost, AAA/RKZ pet/scattered RKZ pilots fleet lost their ships and logged, Goon side got new ships and held field. Numbers killed/lost don't really matter, but definitely more of a welp for their side then our side.

I was just looking at the Delve Dotlan Map and noticed that S-6HHN has now hit SOV 3 for KenZoku. (Unless this is a program glitch) I've read a lot of the forum posts about the tactic of BoB ala KenZoku has been to wait for SOV 3 to come back to their systems to really fight.

It appears it is about to happen

So the question that everyone has been wondering (even the Goons I'm sure) is how long before KenZoku will start staging out of their cyno jammed systems to take back Delve? If you look at their membership they have not lost many people and are above 3,200. Such a blow would have crushed most Alliances by now with people fleeing. But that didn't happen.

It appears they are waiting for something

I am not writing this not because I am a KenZoku follower: I am neutral with regards to 0.0 politics. But I really think there many people in Eve are are litterly holding their breath awaiting what will happen the day what remains of KenZoku's empire turns Sov 3.

So assuming that Kenny said system is Sov 3 why haven't there been any epic fights, disappointing.

Mittens is in Vegas on vacation, the person doing the updates for the day or two he's gone is more matter-of-fact and less good reading. Mittani will post updates once again when he gets back.

On May 10 2009 13:46 Bill307 wrote:
Most violent systems (24 hours)
I1Y-IU (Querious) 397 / 153 (ships / pods)

On May 10 2009 13:46 Bill307 wrote:
On the contrary:

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/stats/

Most violent systems (24 hours)
I1Y-IU (Querious) 397 / 153 (ships / pods)


Edit: Meanwhile, apparently Triumvir is causing some trouble for TCF in Deklein.

On May 11 2009 03:48 kazokun wrote:
Well considering TCF just kicked out motherfucking DEFI4NT from Deklein, I got the feeling shit was going to go down.

On May 11 2009 08:29 Bill307 wrote:

Hmmm I don't understand. So Defiant and TCF should be enemies then, right? But according to those kills, Defiant and Triumvirate are clearly enemies. And I know TCF and Triumvirate are enemies.

OVERVIEW:

When I had last checked in on EVE, on Wednesday, we had achieved a crushing victory after PL's titan had been tackled and picked up several moons in 49, bringing our total to approximately 12. Yet last night, barely an hour after I returned from Vegas, we lost 49 entirely. Every last tower we had in 49 was destroyed. In that space of four days we went from the war being steadily on track to being completely routed in our primetime.

Why?

When I first returned and began asking this question, many answers were offered. As is typical, someone made a comment about 'excuses' being made and how we should simply soldier on like automatons. This is nonsense - every time we have a loss of any significance, we should analyze our failures such that we don't repeat our mistakes. What differentiates us as an alliance from pubbie trash like RKZ is that, when we **** up, we don't blame someone else and refuse to admit failure.

This weekend was a 'perfect storm' of many factors which have proven over the years to impact goon participation.

* It was a weekend; goons typically have a 25% or greater drop in participation over the weekend, because a surprising number of you have lives. By contrast, hostile participation is usually higher on a weekend, so weekends tend to have a vast swing in friendly vs hostile participation
* It is currently finals season in the US. Mid-May and Mid-December are never good for us, as our college goons tend to be swamped. Some people who haven't been in college in years, or never went, like to blow this point off as if the academic calendar was somehow a myth. It is not.
* The alliance leadership was in Vegas for four days. Goonswarm, like most alliances, is a top-down organization; Zapa, Darius and I were in Vegas, as were the CEO of Battlestars and the co-CEO of LDLQ. Approximately 20 member-level goons from GS or BTLS were also gone, and they were the sort of goon who would ordinarily be on a fleet op.
* Being a bunch of internet spaceship nerds, an awful lot of you went to go watch the new Star Trek movie in the evening, since it is apparently awesome and not a pile of **** like I expected it to be.

So our numbers in our primetime went to complete **** and our Razor was left holding the bag. PL was riding bikes (Shamis and Hubris were in Vegas), RAWR was wrestling with a bugged outpost up north, I have no idea what TCF was doing and so it was basically Phreeze of RZR who saved us and ****blocked the 'big push' on I1Y.

Thankfully, the incompetence of our enemies remains our shield. Despite our total collapse and lack of leadership, RKZ's 'big push' amounted to an impact on only one station system. They did attempt to invade and purge I1Y, but we managed to stymie them.

DELVE FRONT:

Apparently DS1 shat out a new outpost while we were in Vegas. Other than that, 1-SMEB hit Sov3 for RKZ, that's the only hostile system left we have to pay attention to.

PERIOD BASIS FRONT:

There pretty much isn't one any longer. We're just waiting for the PA- sov4 to snap (should be any day now) and then KIA will probably spam the **** out of it, formally ending the war for this region.

QUERIOUS FRONT:

I'm not entirely up to speed yet; check Karttoon's update linked above for a more nuanced discussion. The upshot is that our enemies are doing to us in Querious what we did to them in Period Basis - spamming R64 systems to break Sov3 to make it easier for them to strike at our moon gold. This has the added benefit of potentially causing capital burnout by forcing us to siege repeatedly in a number of systems.

There are now five R64 systems which have been spammed: Q2, ZAU, K-Y, P4, and OGY. We have succeeded in securing Q2 and K-Y. The rest are at risk of losing their sov.

While I was in midair, we apparently ****ed up and lost five capitals, which is crappy but not a particularly big deal. More importantly, the thread about it gave me an excuse to infract Midgath into readonly status.

I was only here for the tail end of US TZ last night, but it wasn't pretty. We had ****ty but not godawful turnout (100 goons) and suicided a fleet by jumping into a bubbled gate. This didn't stop us from losing our last four 49- towers to the combined hostile fleet, though apparently we had a pod-conga in a hostile pos rather than having the pods self-destruct and get new ships. Dyfed and a couple of unknown goon gunners kept pressing butan until the bitter end, but this is a small silver lining. Alamos and last stands are for KenGoku, not us.

At downtime there was a server delay, then we formed up and blew up 3 ROL carriers triage-repping in OGY, including Nync himself. We proceeded to sternly accomplish nothing, as we didn't have enough friendlies to actually destroy one of these towers. Now, however, we're re-reinforcing under a jammer in eurotime (with bs, lawl), which isn't anything to get all excited about, but it's a step past the sort of moribund dithering we've suffered through over the weekend.

Yesterday we began the slow process of getting our **** back together. For me, that involved ditching work at 3pm and crawling into bed at 6pm, spending 12 hours in bed to sleep off the jet lag. For the alliance, it meant active strategic euro ops and a solid us tz turnout.

In eurotime we made a play for the OGY towers as mentioned in the previous update; we bashed all ten of the ROL towers there into reinforced over the course of the day. In the 'actual killmail' department, we removed -A-'s small staging pos from SVM at 17:30, which is good. In US TZ, Cursive and Vile Rat took the fleet out and finished the work in OGY and finished up with a thunderdome.

GSOL put in heavy duty last night, swapping out 5 of our small placeholders in Q2 with larges to ensure soveriengty. Q2 contains 2 GS R64s.

In 'dude, wtf' news, RZR's If you are going to continue to copy from other forums, please ensure that the posts follow the forum rules - Mitnalcorp of D2 fame, X-Trading, lost five motherships to TRI, way up north. They were caught ratting, apparently. In motherships.

OGY comes out in eurotime tomorrow and will be decided then. We have 6 towers, they have 10. Seven of ROL's towers come out between 14:00 and 16:00 evetime. This system is significant because it is a RZR R64, and our hostiles are using the 'spam to break sov3' strategy because taking out jammers is nigh impossible for RKZ of late.

At downtime, ZAU and P4 flipped sov to RKZ. ZAU contains a GS R64 and P4 contains 1 RKZ R64 and 1 RZR R64. While P4 was only RZR Sov2, ZAU had been GS Sov3.

In other news, the new Webway route is essentially completed; check out Xttz's thread and congratulate him on rationalizing the routes - and or whine at length because your bookmarks are ****ed.