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Alventenie
Profile Joined July 2007
United States2147 Posts
October 24 2010 12:39 GMT
#21341
Alch's ult has always been super powerful. One time i used his ult at level 7 against a 1v2 gank with 200 hp left. I used it vs Luna's ult + Nightstalker ganking me and i didn't lose any hp. The regen is so imba x.x
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-24 12:54:47
October 24 2010 12:51 GMT
#21342
On October 24 2010 21:39 Alventenie wrote:
Alch's ult has always been super powerful. One time i used his ult at level 7 against a 1v2 gank with 200 hp left. I used it vs Luna's ult + Nightstalker ganking me and i didn't lose any hp. The regen is so imba x.x

regen isnt that imba, its the movespeed gain which makes him absolutely retarded, movespeed = less time getting hit, harder aoe, he runs around at a stupid +constant rate and it augments his stun ability
when alch was first put in he wasnt that great because 1. his stun was different 2. he didnt get movespeed from his ult, once movespeed came in his ult actually became good, i remember playing him the version after that tweak and thinking how ridiculously good alch was (even with the old stun), i used to like playing with new heroes that were implemented underpowered back then and alch was one of the hardest to play with along with huskar
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
October 24 2010 14:58 GMT
#21343
The old Alch wasn't that great once the lanes broke down, like hurhurhurselfstunprz. It's the fact that his ultimate scales stupidly well once you get access to the better armor items is what makes Alch stupidly good. Greed just ensures you can punt your early game farm to easily catch up during mid game.

He wasn't implemented underpowered, he was implemented broken (no limit on Greed wut?) then stereotypically overnerfed. I remember when he first came out, the first IH I played with him involved Skadi/Heart/Radiance/Buriza in like 40-50 mins. The player said he had enough to pick up whatever else he wanted.
Get it by your hands...
pSikh0
Profile Joined January 2009
163 Posts
October 24 2010 19:21 GMT
#21344
On October 24 2010 21:51 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2010 21:39 Alventenie wrote:
Alch's ult has always been super powerful. One time i used his ult at level 7 against a 1v2 gank with 200 hp left. I used it vs Luna's ult + Nightstalker ganking me and i didn't lose any hp. The regen is so imba x.x

regen isnt that imba, its the movespeed gain which makes him absolutely retarded, movespeed = less time getting hit, harder aoe, he runs around at a stupid +constant rate and it augments his stun ability
when alch was first put in he wasnt that great because 1. his stun was different 2. he didnt get movespeed from his ult, once movespeed came in his ult actually became good, i remember playing him the version after that tweak and thinking how ridiculously good alch was (even with the old stun), i used to like playing with new heroes that were implemented underpowered back then and alch was one of the hardest to play with along with huskar


The regen from his ult also adds to mana regen dude, you know what that means right?
His the movespeed is good but then i'm pretty sure the +HP from his ult + all the regen is what makes it good (Lets not forget about how he gets a shorter animation when he ults too :o) I don't know what was wrong with his old stun tbh
It was a 5 second channel with like humongo cast range and tracked the hero while alch charged the stun, 5 seconds is a lot of time to catch up to whoever you use the stun on (kinda like mirana arrow)
LordWeird
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3411 Posts
October 24 2010 20:07 GMT
#21345
Anybody down for some HoN tonight, tomorrow, or tuesday?
Chains none
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
October 24 2010 21:39 GMT
#21346
On October 25 2010 05:07 LordWeird wrote:
Anybody down for some HoN tonight, tomorrow, or tuesday?

I'm down for a game or two now if you're still around.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
October 24 2010 21:44 GMT
#21347
On October 25 2010 04:21 pSikh0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2010 21:51 rabidch wrote:
On October 24 2010 21:39 Alventenie wrote:
Alch's ult has always been super powerful. One time i used his ult at level 7 against a 1v2 gank with 200 hp left. I used it vs Luna's ult + Nightstalker ganking me and i didn't lose any hp. The regen is so imba x.x

regen isnt that imba, its the movespeed gain which makes him absolutely retarded, movespeed = less time getting hit, harder aoe, he runs around at a stupid +constant rate and it augments his stun ability
when alch was first put in he wasnt that great because 1. his stun was different 2. he didnt get movespeed from his ult, once movespeed came in his ult actually became good, i remember playing him the version after that tweak and thinking how ridiculously good alch was (even with the old stun), i used to like playing with new heroes that were implemented underpowered back then and alch was one of the hardest to play with along with huskar


The regen from his ult also adds to mana regen dude, you know what that means right?
His the movespeed is good but then i'm pretty sure the +HP from his ult + all the regen is what makes it good (Lets not forget about how he gets a shorter animation when he ults too :o) I don't know what was wrong with his old stun tbh
It was a 5 second channel with like humongo cast range and tracked the hero while alch charged the stun, 5 seconds is a lot of time to catch up to whoever you use the stun on (kinda like mirana arrow)


5 seconds to catch up to whatever you use the stun on is 5 seconds for the other team to show up and reverse rape your face, the difference between mirana's arrow and his old stun? it doesn't take a hero out of the battle or waste of a chase.
Get it by your hands...
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-24 22:42:22
October 24 2010 22:37 GMT
#21348
On October 24 2010 23:58 Judicator wrote:
The old Alch wasn't that great once the lanes broke down, like hurhurhurselfstunprz. It's the fact that his ultimate scales stupidly well once you get access to the better armor items is what makes Alch stupidly good. Greed just ensures you can punt your early game farm to easily catch up during mid game.

He wasn't implemented underpowered, he was implemented broken (no limit on Greed wut?) then stereotypically overnerfed. I remember when he first came out, the first IH I played with him involved Skadi/Heart/Radiance/Buriza in like 40-50 mins. The player said he had enough to pick up whatever else he wanted.

i dont remember greed being unlimited back then, and that farm is still pretty normal for alch these days.


edit:
i do remember dk with unlimited dragons greed though
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
[TYG]Transcend
Profile Joined March 2008
679 Posts
October 25 2010 07:10 GMT
#21349
Rad gets banned and NO ONE comments on it at all?
Nitrogen
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States5345 Posts
October 25 2010 07:13 GMT
#21350
no1 cares about jacob. he's a fucking baddie.

as are you.
UNFUCK YOURSELF
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
October 25 2010 07:13 GMT
#21351
wait, who is transcend?
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
snorlax
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States755 Posts
October 25 2010 07:32 GMT
#21352
can anyone post a link to the game?
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
October 25 2010 07:50 GMT
#21353
On October 25 2010 16:13 rabidch wrote:
wait, who is transcend?

some tranny
snorlax
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States755 Posts
October 25 2010 08:04 GMT
#21354
ok found it on Dota cast
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
October 25 2010 08:07 GMT
#21355
On October 25 2010 16:32 snorlax wrote:
can anyone post a link to the game?

what game? there arent any games going on now
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
[TYG]Transcend
Profile Joined March 2008
679 Posts
October 25 2010 11:36 GMT
#21356
Diesel.
LordWeird
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3411 Posts
October 25 2010 12:44 GMT
#21357
Still down for some HoN.
Chains none
Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7584 Posts
October 25 2010 12:45 GMT
#21358
I might play in an hour or so but my roommates are still sound asleep.
Stuck.
LordWeird
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3411 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-25 12:48:08
October 25 2010 12:47 GMT
#21359
On October 25 2010 21:45 Wala.Revolution wrote:
I might play in an hour or so but my roommates are still sound asleep.


Yeah I wonder what my roommates think when they hear all of this furious typing and clicking and laughing and screaming coming from my room.

Let me know (when you're available), bro
Chains none
Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7584 Posts
October 25 2010 12:55 GMT
#21360
Well I don't talk when they are asleep but I assume my key and mouse clicks are rather annoying.

On a side note: One of my roommate goes to sleep around 9-10PM; the other, 2-3AM. Sucks to be the one when I decide to game.
Stuck.
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