EPTThen stockpiles and storage are above or below or sometimes adjacent to the workshop tower. Dorfs can run from the top of the workshop tower to the "basement" full of supplies in like 6-7 tiles because of how 3d works. Very efficient!
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
Then stockpiles and storage are above or below or sometimes adjacent to the workshop tower. Dorfs can run from the top of the workshop tower to the "basement" full of supplies in like 6-7 tiles because of how 3d works. Very efficient! | ||
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antilyon
Brazil2546 Posts
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
On January 30 2012 09:58 antilyon wrote: So, I was playing dungeons of dredmor and got into roguelike once again.But I've never played ASCII based roguelikes before, and I started today with angband, would you recommend me DF or I should get more experience with easier ones before? In all honesty, while Dwarf Fortress is probably the most complex game in its genre I don't feel it is "ohmahgawd incredibly hard". I mean, I always enjoyed stuff like Dungeon Keeper or Evil Genius and I worked very strictly after 2-3 newb guides for Dwarf Fortress right when I started but that was really enough to get me going. I stayed away from DF for years because of the ASCII graphics but tilesets make it perfectly fine. Imo the "DF is hard" comes from the fact that there is no tutorial and no ingame guidance at all. In stuff like Dungeon Keeper or Evil Genius the rooms get unlocked as you progress, you learn which unit does what over time. In DF it is like "Yo you can do whatever you want. Enjoy~! kthxbai!" and I imagine if you just start the game and want to play right here right now you're pretty fucked. Use the newb guides I linked above, use the Lazy Newb Pack for tilesets and sounds (even though the original ingame music is awesome as fuck, never getting on my nerves. never.) and make sure you regard the guides as some kind of tutorial you can work with. If you still have trouble, check the wiki and finally if you're still having too much FUN for your taste... ask stuff here. :> Stick to the above and you'll be fine, even without any prior experience imo. | ||
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thesideshow
930 Posts
On January 30 2012 09:58 antilyon wrote: So, I was playing dungeons of dredmor and got into roguelike once again.But I've never played ASCII based roguelikes before, and I started today with angband, would you recommend me DF or I should get more experience with easier ones before? DF isn't a rougelike though. It's more a simulation. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
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Ulfsark
United States958 Posts
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
On January 31 2012 06:23 Ulfsark wrote: What are the new features of the new release? You can read alot about it here: http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/index.html However, I just found out that Mike Mayday (author of the Mayday tileset) will switch a lot of his stuff towards the original ASCII code instead of attempting to make it fully graphical. "Toady keeps adding new items, objects etc. without support for more symbols for them. Unfortunately, this was making DFG more and more of a mess." QQ T_T;; | ||
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Iceman331
United States1306 Posts
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Bobbias
Canada1373 Posts
I immediately looked up guides and such, foregoing graphical tilesets for the sole reason that I didnt want to spend time fucking around with my install, since I grabbed the official release and not the lazy newb pack. After a few hours I was able to understand what was going on like there was a graphical map of stuff... To me the ascii "graphics" really are graphics now. | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On January 31 2012 07:05 r.Evo wrote: You can read alot about it here: http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/index.html However, I just found out that Mike Mayday (author of the Mayday tileset) will switch a lot of his stuff towards the original ASCII code instead of attempting to make it fully graphical. "Toady keeps adding new items, objects etc. without support for more symbols for them. Unfortunately, this was making DFG more and more of a mess." QQ T_T;; Nice (to me at least). I like the more ASCII look because it's cleaner than doubling up on symbols, but I hate the default ascii because of the ugly colors and a lot of stuff being messy or more complex than it needs to be (like the crazy number of different symbols for different rocks that are almost the exact same). | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
On February 01 2012 01:16 Logo wrote: Nice (to me at least). I like the more ASCII look because it's cleaner than doubling up on symbols, but I hate the default ascii because of the ugly colors and a lot of stuff being messy or more complex than it needs to be (like the crazy number of different symbols for different rocks that are almost the exact same). From what I gathered from the bay12forums Toady announced in 2007 (! =D) that he wants to make all symbols as possible graphics (e.g. goblins are .png, most items or stones aren't - that's why you end up with the male symbol being e.g. a bucket in most tilesets). His problems seem to be that he'd have to dig into sourcecode from around 2002-2003 and that he has no clue how to solve the problem with an artist doing the job for him. I'd be totally fine if he finds a way of making all symbols in the game moddable. He once said that he keeps running into a wall because ASCII simply doesn't have enough characters for the stuf he wants to implement anymore and that he has to change it sooner or later anyway. :> | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On February 01 2012 01:54 r.Evo wrote: From what I gathered from the bay12forums Toady announced in 2007 (! =D) that he wants to make all symbols as possible graphics (e.g. goblins are .png, most items or stones aren't - that's why you end up with the male symbol being e.g. a bucket in most tilesets). His problems seem to be that he'd have to dig into sourcecode from around 2002-2003 and that he has no clue how to solve the problem with an artist doing the job for him. I'd be totally fine if he finds a way of making all symbols in the game moddable. He once said that he keeps running into a wall because ASCII simply doesn't have enough characters for the stuf he wants to implement anymore and that he has to change it sooner or later anyway. :> Yeah that'd all be great, but what I'm talking about is more the symbols that ARE moddable have really wonky defaults. You can change all the stone symbols, but by default they have a really weird range of symbols: http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/DF2010:Stone There's 10 symbols for sedimentary rock and none of them are 'blank' (as in no symbol and just a square box) and only 11 types of sedimentary rocks. And even worse most of the symbols aren't a shading pattern or anything like that, but something stupid like a , . or # sign in the middle of the rock making the screen look a lot 'dirtier' than it needs to. Just have 4-5 symbols for generic layer rocks that are all something like a solid or shaded pattern, then use special symbols for important stones like flux, metals, etc. No new features are needed you can already do it yourself, it's just a pain in the ass to do. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
On February 01 2012 02:05 Logo wrote: Yeah that'd all be great, but what I'm talking about is more the symbols that ARE moddable have really wonky defaults. You can change all the stone symbols, but by default they have a really weird range of symbols: http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/DF2010:Stone There's 10 symbols for sedimentary rock and none of them are 'blank' (as in no symbol and just a square box) and only 11 types of sedimentary rocks. And even worse most of the symbols aren't a shading pattern or anything like that, but something stupid like a , . or # sign in the middle of the rock making the screen look a lot 'dirtier' than it needs to. Just have 4-5 symbols for generic layer rocks that are all something like a solid or shaded pattern, then use special symbols for important stones like flux, metals, etc. No new features are needed you can already do it yourself, it's just a pain in the ass to do. Ah, now I got what you meant. Yeah, that stuff makes like no sense. dno, to me it sounds like toady is just being lazy about this part of the game and keeps trying to work around it. =D | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
Still a little frustrating though. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
About 3 years after embark shortly after each other two forgotten beasts showed up in my first cavern (which I luckily had sealed off anyway <3). I didn't know those things fight other... things. My new favorite beast ("Tofi" - come on, it sounds cute, doesn't it?) just cleaned up a squad of Bat Spearmen. Thank you Tofi! Right now I'm waiting for Tofi to meet the other forgotten beast down there (which name I totally forgot). Reminds me of that thread which showed japanese videos of scorpions, spiders and other insects fighting each other. Oh, well. Unless Tofi dies from his wounds from the bat-fight I'm sure he will bring glory to my empire and kill any other threats down there. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/RQ6tG.jpg) PS: What does my dorf want to tell me with this artifact? I'm not bloody enough? I need to slaughter green pigs? OMG ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE INCOMING BRB. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/uDy6c.jpg) | ||
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Bobbias
Canada1373 Posts
On February 01 2012 02:05 Logo wrote: Yeah that'd all be great, but what I'm talking about is more the symbols that ARE moddable have really wonky defaults. You can change all the stone symbols, but by default they have a really weird range of symbols: http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/DF2010:Stone There's 10 symbols for sedimentary rock and none of them are 'blank' (as in no symbol and just a square box) and only 11 types of sedimentary rocks. And even worse most of the symbols aren't a shading pattern or anything like that, but something stupid like a , . or # sign in the middle of the rock making the screen look a lot 'dirtier' than it needs to. Just have 4-5 symbols for generic layer rocks that are all something like a solid or shaded pattern, then use special symbols for important stones like flux, metals, etc. No new features are needed you can already do it yourself, it's just a pain in the ass to do. I like the idea that each stone has it's own symbol. Every stone has different properties and I like knowing what I'm dealing with at a glance. It's perfectly understandable from a programmer's point of view as well as a hardcore player (and let's face it, this game is not for the faint of heart). Some rock is magma safe, some is not, some rock contains certain gems etc. I know there are some nearly identical types of rock, but many of them have some sort of difference that sets them apart. Also, am I the only person driven nuts by the tile used for periods in the graphical tileset most people use? | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On February 01 2012 22:11 Bobbias wrote: I like the idea that each stone has it's own symbol. Every stone has different properties and I like knowing what I'm dealing with at a glance. It's perfectly understandable from a programmer's point of view as well as a hardcore player (and let's face it, this game is not for the faint of heart). Some rock is magma safe, some is not, some rock contains certain gems etc. I know there are some nearly identical types of rock, but many of them have some sort of difference that sets them apart. Also, am I the only person driven nuts by the tile used for periods in the graphical tileset most people use? So you have basically a few different types: -Soil -Sand -Layer Rock -Vein Rock -Magma Safe Rock -Flux Stone -Metals -Gems -Coal -Obsidian So I agree Obsidian, Coal, Gems, and Metals should all have symbols that stand out (they're important). Flux Stone should look differently because it's important, but something that doesn't stand out too much since it's common depending on your location. Same with Magma Safe Rock and Veins (it's good to know you're dealing with a vein). That leaves Soil, Sand, Layer Rock. Now the differences between different types of layer rock are nice to know, but how important is it really? Without looking at the wiki can you tell the difference between the 11 different sedimentary types? What does siltstone carry that mudstone doesn't? If you need to look at the wiki to tell the difference anyways then what's the big deal about hitting k to look at what type of layer rock it is first in the few rocks that overlap in color and type? It's a 2 second addition to something that's going to take you a minute to do anyways. Anyways I'll explain the scheme I like to make it clearer. (This is just one of a few possibilities of course) NULL - All layer rock except sedimentary ░ - Soil ~ - Sand (or the double tilde) ▒ - Sedimentary (different from other layer rocks because it can be an aquifer) ▓ - Rock Veins the symbol for mined stone is also good for veins if you want to use this one elsewhere. # - Flux stone ▲- Obsidian and Magma Safe rock (with latest magma safe changes might want to split magma safe stuff to down arrow sign or something) ☼ - Gems * - Metal Ores = - Fuel There can also be more play around the 2ndary color to help distinguish rock without having to use a bunch of cluttering symbols. The above scheme + the color differences between stones means you know exactly what you are dealing with except for the subtle differences that you need the wiki for anyways. And you can't complain too much about having to k at stone occasionally since all mined stone has the same symbol anyways! Even better I'll usually use a graphical tileset with a few more characters that end up like what I have for Sedimentary and Rock Veins (a shading rather than symbol) so I can do things like make flux stone that so it blends better and looks nicer or separate the metamorphic rock from the igneous. The stand out symbols like , . % # etc. are way too noisy for something that's as unimportant as Siltstone vs Mudstone. By not using them when I come across something really important it immediately stands out and catches my eye. | ||
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drivec
United States354 Posts
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manloveman
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/magazine/the-brilliance-of-dwarf-fortress.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all Good read. Those two brothers are somthing special | ||
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Eben
United States769 Posts
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