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Damn, in WC3 they had a bug, graphics would switch to Reforge after a new patch.
Shit was terrifying.
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ChillFlame
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Damn, in WC3 they had a bug, graphics would switch to Reforge after a new patch. Shit was terrifying. | ||
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Miragee
8664 Posts
On August 19 2025 00:02 ChillFlame wrote: Damn, in WC3 they had a bug, graphics would switch to Reforge after a new patch. Shit was terrifying. Since Reforged came out we have to make sure to never accidentally click on Bnet and update the game... I honestly don't get the hype for remastered in most cases. I suppose they did a decent job with Broodwar and maybe Diablo 2? I haven't followed too closely. But those games were still being played either way.SC2 has aged well and it's not even that old. Why bring a remastered version now or in the next few years? What would that change? The DoW example, at least from the graphics perspective is a good case against it as well because the improvement ist marginal. I think DoW looks incredible for an RTS from that era and now the edges are a bit sharper and the resolution is higher? Wow, really worth the price tag... If they actually fixed how clunky the units respond in that game, that would be a game changer but I'm not sure they did (and I'm sure people would be mad about that if they did...). Has someone here played it? | ||
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ChillFlame
265 Posts
On August 19 2025 00:42 Miragee wrote: Since Reforged came out we have to make sure to never accidentally click on Bnet and update the game... I honestly don't get the hype for remastered in most cases. I suppose they did a decent job with Broodwar and maybe Diablo 2? I haven't followed too closely. But those games were still being played either way.SC2 has aged well and it's not even that old. Why bring a remastered version now or in the next few years? What would that change? The DoW example, at least from the graphics perspective is a good case against it as well because the improvement ist marginal. I think DoW looks incredible for an RTS from that era and now the edges are a bit sharper and the resolution is higher? Wow, really worth the price tag... If they actually fixed how clunky the units respond in that game, that would be a game changer but I'm not sure they did (and I'm sure people would be mad about that if they did...). Has someone here played it? They fixed most of the issues with reforged. If you select classic graphics it plays the same, but with some cool QoL features. Ingame hotkeys, grid, camera distance adjusting, clock, miner count, etc. The "reforged" graphics setting is unsalvagable. Models were not designed for an RTS. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26794 Posts
On August 19 2025 00:42 Miragee wrote: Since Reforged came out we have to make sure to never accidentally click on Bnet and update the game... I honestly don't get the hype for remastered in most cases. I suppose they did a decent job with Broodwar and maybe Diablo 2? I haven't followed too closely. But those games were still being played either way.SC2 has aged well and it's not even that old. Why bring a remastered version now or in the next few years? What would that change? The DoW example, at least from the graphics perspective is a good case against it as well because the improvement ist marginal. I think DoW looks incredible for an RTS from that era and now the edges are a bit sharper and the resolution is higher? Wow, really worth the price tag... If they actually fixed how clunky the units respond in that game, that would be a game changer but I'm not sure they did (and I'm sure people would be mad about that if they did...). Has someone here played it? I’m about to this week hopefully. As someone who loves RTS games, and a big Warhammer 40K fan, I haven’t played the series. I used to go very all-in on a handful of games, and not explore a lot (also being a kid, only so much budget), so that lapse is more explicable! Even if it’s not a huge upgrade, if it works well on modern systems, and also has all the bells and whistles, and the expos all in one place, it’s not too bad for 20 quid. If it’s a 60 quid product, or ostensibly a remake I would expect more. I think remasters of this ilk, like it’s some decent QoL but it’s not gonna make much of a difference for people who’ve kept playing the game. For those who either had a fun time 15 years ago or w/e, or who never played a classic, even a half-decent remaster is great to have. As a gamer who was bound by my father’s hardware choices basically all of my old games are unplayable. Pre-Intel Mac games, they’re built for fundamental architecture that’s not just one iteration old, but two. I could, of course just rebuy, but it’s nice to have titles that are built for modern systems if one is gonna do that. | ||
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Fleetfeet
Canada2720 Posts
On August 19 2025 00:42 Miragee wrote: Since Reforged came out we have to make sure to never accidentally click on Bnet and update the game... I honestly don't get the hype for remastered in most cases. I suppose they did a decent job with Broodwar and maybe Diablo 2? I haven't followed too closely. But those games were still being played either way.SC2 has aged well and it's not even that old. Why bring a remastered version now or in the next few years? What would that change? The DoW example, at least from the graphics perspective is a good case against it as well because the improvement ist marginal. I think DoW looks incredible for an RTS from that era and now the edges are a bit sharper and the resolution is higher? Wow, really worth the price tag... If they actually fixed how clunky the units respond in that game, that would be a game changer but I'm not sure they did (and I'm sure people would be mad about that if they did...). Has someone here played it? I like remasters for 'updated to playable with more modern settings' which is typically breaking from 4x3 resolutions of 480p to widescreen resolutions much larger. Sure you could run C&C thru dosbox and with player patches to make the settings less abhorrent, but it's nice to not have to dig up how to do that, and instead get direct nostalgia punches. The red alert / C&C remasters feel good, DoW seems fine, Wc3 could have been a good candidate for remaster but they missed the mark, stuff like The Last of Us getting a remaster is neat but feels like it was not a candidate for a remaster. I'm curious if we'll see more half baked remasters going forward as the technology to 'upscale' graphics automatically improves. I could see tons of opportunity for the owners of IP like Tomb Raider or other popular media just shovelling out a remaster with minimal human labour. I don't hate it for preserving old games, though I don't love AI art. (Oh, I'm late, they already did, though I don't know how much human labour was involved) | ||
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ETisME
12715 Posts
They can always tune the engine for multi core support, better optimised end game 4v4. Ultra wide screen. Another launch with all the campaign packs and dlc, more skins and announcers etc. It is definitely coming in a couple of years. Can't imagine it doesn't, they can revamp the IP, get more sale etc etc. | ||
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RogerChillingworth
Chad3132 Posts
BTW I have a rollback joke for you all Why did Spartak, uhh, why did Spartak go to the..HOSPITAL?? + Show Spoiler + cuz he was butt hz lolll | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7202 Posts
On August 18 2025 23:15 ChillFlame wrote: Exactly, SG is already a walking corpse. Also, what would SC2 remaster add? Maybe a proper multi-thread support. What else? SC2 is nearly perfect. E-sport funding? :D Some AI and pathfinding updates. Some graphics updates (shadow/ lighting and whatnot) New content. Special missions, short bonus campaign about Nova (they gotta have shitton of wrting for that already from the planned Nova game) Heck, thinking about this. They could charge 40 bucks for a minimum invest and it would probably sell | ||
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ChillFlame
265 Posts
On August 19 2025 19:32 Harris1st wrote: E-sport funding? :D Some AI and pathfinding updates. Some graphics updates (shadow/ lighting and whatnot) New content. Special missions, short bonus campaign about Nova (they gotta have shitton of wrting for that already from the planned Nova game) Heck, thinking about this. They could charge 40 bucks for a minimum invest and it would probably sell E-sport is just additional marketing. It always was. So it can't be the goal, just means to further advertise a game. What's wrong with pathing other than probes stuck after building or units appearing from the wrong side of the building and stucking because of bad base layout? Some people say pathing is too good, because you can do zerling surrounds in 1 click. Graphics update is a complicated matter. IMO SC2 has optimal graphics fidelity. Any further increase of polygon count/effects will hurt visibility much more than it will improve the picture. (like WC3 reforged models, or SG campaign lighting effects). New content? You don't need a remaster for this. Remaster would help with the marketing push, yes, but it's not necessary. Remaster will sell, sure, but I don't see enough reasons to justify it. | ||
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Gescom
Canada3511 Posts
Yikes. No one wanted to fix any bugs or communicate intent about next steps? I guess they'll be at Gamescom today. Hopefully they do better than last year: https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/comments/1eysl43/i_visited_the_stormgate_area_at_gamescom_2024_no/ . Although, searching Stormgate on the Gamescom website gives no results.... | ||
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ChillFlame
265 Posts
On August 19 2025 21:23 Gescom wrote: 14 days without a peep from FrostGiant since the launch of the game. Yikes. No one wanted to fix any bugs or communicate intent about next steps? I guess they'll be at Gamescom today. Hopefully they do better than last year: https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/comments/1eysl43/i_visited_the_stormgate_area_at_gamescom_2024_no/ . Although, searching Stormgate on the Gamescom website gives no results.... Damn, I'd pay $20 to see Tim looking for "partners" | ||
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Miragee
8664 Posts
On August 19 2025 00:49 ChillFlame wrote: They fixed most of the issues with reforged. If you select classic graphics it plays the same, but with some cool QoL features. Ingame hotkeys, grid, camera distance adjusting, clock, miner count, etc. The "reforged" graphics setting is unsalvagable. Models were not designed for an RTS. Ah, I meant DoW, sorry. I'm not going to ever buy Reforged. I'm content with not updating the game as I only ever play it on LAN with friends. Thanks for the update though. Happy for the WC3 folks to hear they have finally fixed most issues. On August 19 2025 02:09 WombaT wrote: I’m about to this week hopefully. As someone who loves RTS games, and a big Warhammer 40K fan, I haven’t played the series. I used to go very all-in on a handful of games, and not explore a lot (also being a kid, only so much budget), so that lapse is more explicable! Even if it’s not a huge upgrade, if it works well on modern systems, and also has all the bells and whistles, and the expos all in one place, it’s not too bad for 20 quid. If it’s a 60 quid product, or ostensibly a remake I would expect more. I think remasters of this ilk, like it’s some decent QoL but it’s not gonna make much of a difference for people who’ve kept playing the game. For those who either had a fun time 15 years ago or w/e, or who never played a classic, even a half-decent remaster is great to have. As a gamer who was bound by my father’s hardware choices basically all of my old games are unplayable. Pre-Intel Mac games, they’re built for fundamental architecture that’s not just one iteration old, but two. I could, of course just rebuy, but it’s nice to have titles that are built for modern systems if one is gonna do that. Yeah, makes sense. That's why I adore gog's efforts to make old games work on new engines. I missed a lot of great games and because of gog I'm actually able to easily try them. And enjoy DoW. I recently (this year) played through most of the original campaign again. =) On August 19 2025 06:55 Fleetfeet wrote: I like remasters for 'updated to playable with more modern settings' which is typically breaking from 4x3 resolutions of 480p to widescreen resolutions much larger. Sure you could run C&C thru dosbox and with player patches to make the settings less abhorrent, but it's nice to not have to dig up how to do that, and instead get direct nostalgia punches. The red alert / C&C remasters feel good, DoW seems fine, Wc3 could have been a good candidate for remaster but they missed the mark, stuff like The Last of Us getting a remaster is neat but feels like it was not a candidate for a remaster. I'm curious if we'll see more half baked remasters going forward as the technology to 'upscale' graphics automatically improves. I could see tons of opportunity for the owners of IP like Tomb Raider or other popular media just shovelling out a remaster with minimal human labour. I don't hate it for preserving old games, though I don't love AI art. (Oh, I'm late, they already did, though I don't know how much human labour was involved) We have seen a lot of half-baked "remasters". I would consider the beam dog versions of the Infinity Engine games remasters and you can honestely just play the originals and be better of. I'm not against remasters in general. But often it seems like a cheap money grab instead of actually delivering anything substantial. And again, there is also gog, which makes a lot of old games playable on new engines without having to install dosbox or skim the internet for mods because all of that is already integrated and ready to go. | ||
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ChillFlame
265 Posts
On August 20 2025 00:43 Miragee wrote: Ah, I meant DoW, sorry. I'm not going to ever buy Reforged. I'm content with not updating the game as I only ever play it on LAN with friends. Thanks for the update though. Happy for the WC3 folks to hear they have finally fixed most issues. The best part ypu get everything except reforged graphics for free if you have any version of WC3. Old CD-keys also work. Switch graphics option is unavailable, everything else is available. | ||
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ChillFlame
265 Posts
On August 20 2025 02:13 ChillFlame wrote: The best part you get everything except reforged graphics for free if you have any version of WC3. Old CD-keys also work. Switch graphics option is unavailable, everything else is available. The game is in the best state IMO. Even balance is awesome. I couldn't play taurens and witch doctors in decade (or even two). | ||
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WGT-Baal
France3484 Posts
On August 18 2025 23:15 ChillFlame wrote: Exactly, SG is already a walking corpse. Also, what would SC2 remaster add? Maybe a proper multi-thread support. What else? SC2 is nearly perfect. LAN mode  | ||
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Jeremy Reimer
Canada1149 Posts
On August 19 2025 21:35 ChillFlame wrote: Damn, I'd pay $20 to see Tim looking for "partners" Do you think Tim really believes that he can find a magic Santa Claus at Gamescom to give him a bunch more money to fund his "vision"? Or is he really just going there to figure out his next career move? | ||
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Gescom
Canada3511 Posts
A) Yes, maybe they are that delusional. B) Maybe Tim is benevolent* and is finding job for his team rather than himself. *after paying himself 200k+ USD a year for the last 4-5y he's probably ready to retire | ||
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CicadaSC
United States1913 Posts
On August 20 2025 05:47 Gescom wrote: I think; A) Yes, maybe they are that delusional. B) Maybe Tim is benevolent* and is finding job for his team rather than himself. *after paying himself 200k+ USD a year for the last 4-5y he's probably ready to retire I mean, he probably made this much every year at blizzard every year for however many years he worked there. I doubt this really does much for him tbh. | ||
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ChillFlame
265 Posts
On August 20 2025 05:18 Jeremy Reimer wrote: Do you think Tim really believes that he can find a magic Santa Claus at Gamescom to give him a bunch more money to fund his "vision"? Or is he really just going there to figure out his next career move? I think he really believes. As he believed the game will get 50% WoL playerbase, or that their art-style was fine (half a year before they fired their art-director https://imgur.com/a/vslL8G8, or when he defended the game on Reddit using an alt account. I don't think it's likely for FG to get substantial investments and/or a publisher, but Tim believes for sure, this guy can not posibly be wrong. | ||
Waxangel
United States33608 Posts
On August 20 2025 05:47 Gescom wrote: I think; A) Yes, maybe they are that delusional. On a long enough timeline they're gonna run out of money, but the pathological haters have definitely been taking L after L in terms of how long they've stayed afloat amidst the predictions of imminent failure  | ||
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